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Acrofales
Spain18159 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18159 Posts
There was no pressure on him to claim and there was no pressure on town. If he had played his cards right he could have sat back and observed what I was saying (and gathering possible connections in my behaviour), accumulated notes and got me lynched in a regular manner. Instead he engaged in conversations with WBG and claimed DT at a time when he really shouldn't have. Dittert's claim came at lylo and he didn't know how to make a convincing case against the guy he had a red check on. He wanted people to lynch KB (which would've gotten him shot at night, but at least one more day for town). Was it a particularly convincing DT claim? No (for some reason, DT claims never seem to be). However, at least coming at lylo it made some sense for town. At the very least it reduced the chance of hitting scum to 1 out of 2, rather than 3 out of 8, which is nice at lylo. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18159 Posts
I looked at his claim again and it's messy and muddly. If you know that he actually is the DT it makes sense, but it seems like a decidedly weird claim. First he votes for me without saying why here (fine, imho, but he already had me labeled as scummiest player, so not sure how effective this was). Second he breadcrumbs his role here. And finally he semi-claims by stating the either/or situation before he actually says that he's DT here. He never bothers to make a believable claim with his role name or anything and it's rather messy. However, I haven't seen many DT claims yet. In DFM2 risk.nuke's came backed up by the game mechanics and BillMurray's was too dumb to be anything else  | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
Also I wish all newbie games were like this. I would like to thank the hosts greymist and snarfs for putting on a great game. But also the players for being active and trying there best to be good analysts. High level play from all for newbies imo. Very interesting newbie game. Maybe possibly in future someone will analyse this shit hardcore and use it as another reference game for newbies. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On April 20 2012 20:51 syllogism wrote: Mafia do not basically ever fake claim dt on day 2 when they are in no danger of being lynched. At best they are doing a 1:1 trade, which is awful. Nothing else matters Haha this reminded me of the double bus double claim in LI | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On April 20 2012 20:51 Mementoss wrote: I can't believe town lost with DT and a Medic. It shoulda been obvious that DT claim was true based on the timing, really mafia didn't need any help at that point everyone wanted wilz and xaltos dead (the bread crumbing also helped), and if it wasn't true lynch the fake claimer. Haha if only town lynched scum day 1 instead of that crazy last minute switch. Also I wish all newbie games were like this. I would like to thank the hosts greymist and snarfs for putting on a great game. But also the players for being active and trying there best to be good analysts. High level play from all for newbies imo. Very interesting newbie game. Maybe possibly in future someone will analyse this shit hardcore and use it as another reference game for newbies. Yeah, I would have been semi-confirmed townie then and it wouldn't have been too hard to win  Damn it, it was SO close...! | ||
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ArcticFox
United States1092 Posts
On April 20 2012 14:11 Dittert wrote: Second, I don't know how much stock to put into town cred. You had a bunch of it and got shot N1. Acro had a bunch of it, led us to a mislynch on D2, then got shot on N2. KB had a lot of it too, but he was fricking mafia!!! I guess I'm wondering what's the point of town cred when it didn't seem to do any good in this game (and actually cost us the game). Town cred is a very fickle thing. There's a reason that mafia don't try to reach out and grab it early on -- it's so hard to play consistently all game when you're mafia and know that you have to actually lie that you usually end up losing it before it does you any good (again, coming back around to why so many people turned on Xatalos, and he was even town!) One or two bad cases can make you lose it just as easily as one or two good cases can make you earn it. N2 you didn't have to make your town cred any lower -- you didn't *have* any. Nobody was listening to you. You weren't a threat to mafia. What you needed to do was put together a case on someone you had a suspicion on and make it stick and defend it, not yell at people and make them ignore you. As Hiro said, it made people ignore you so hard, they didn't even vote you when they thought the DT check was fake. And I have no idea why KB had so much town cred. I wanted someone to press him and make him talk. func too. allin as well. vK on Day 2. yomi coasted. Mafia got lucky with the BKE lynch on Day 1, then didn't really have to do much but coast after that. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Generally you want to behave like a normal townie, contributing and scumhunting. Your only concern is that you might not want to be the MOST townie person, but with Acro (undeniably), AF (although he died quick) and KB (according to everyone else), your safest bet would have been to play like a green. | ||
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Natureboy
Sweden85 Posts
On April 20 2012 17:21 Acrofales wrote: @vonKlaust: such a shame. You were SOOOO close to figuring out why Dittert's DT claim had to be real, yet you got distracted by all the waffling If only someone had had more faith in "crazy ole dittert".Yeah, I pretty much forgot about my príor post when I started to rabble on about Xatalos "scumslip"... By the way it was nice playing with you. I enjoyed reading your post and you seem to be a potent player. But I got sad when you stole my case on Willz... I had been thinking about making a longer post about Willz for a while, and decided to do it. I saw before me how I, the great and brave vonKlaust, would make the super clever case that made us catch the crooks! I went out to do a couple of errands, and when I got home you had made a monster imba post about Willz. I still wrote some about him, but man, you made me so sad. Oh yeah, I made a new account. I forgot my password to my old one, and my mail have been hacked. So yeah, this is me from now on! | ||
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Natureboy
Sweden85 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 20 2012 21:48 vonKlaust II wrote: Oh, and also, if any of the coaches have been taking notes and have any comments on my play feel free to comment here or send me a PM. It would be super interesting to get some criticism. Hey, I can't speak for everyone, but the overall feeling in the obsQT was that you managed to look quite townie, but you needed to post more. As the final day approached and arrived, people started getting a bit suspicious of you because you weren't posting strongly. BUT - you were the only one on the final day who 'got it' with Dittert's claim. You worked out it was genuine, but then you were both drowned out and then distracted by irrelevant things. Although I guess it's hard to feel it at the time, you got the right answer and you needed to push it. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On April 20 2012 21:48 vonKlaust II wrote: Oh, and also, if any of the coaches have been taking notes and have any comments on my play feel free to comment here or send me a PM. It would be super interesting to get some criticism. you weren't active enough until day 3 where you earned town MVP. It's pretty cut and dry, just post more | ||
imallinson
United Kingdom3482 Posts
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On April 20 2012 23:04 Xatalos wrote: Any suggestions for me? Should I have continued to push yomi after BroodKingEXE's "divine intervention"' for Mafia? Was it a good idea to direct Doc to Acrofales (saving his life, according to Mafia chat), while casting suspicion on myself with that blue talk? How should I start the game, was it a good idea to make a case already on somewhat weak merits? Should I be less active? you shouldn't be less active but you should take a break once in a while from the thread. I think you spun yourself around trying to be quick to react to everything which lead you to be literally all over the place with everything. So many times I wanted to type ##Deep Breathe: Xatalos so that you could get your head on straight before posting. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18159 Posts
Another thing is that you really need to improve your posting style. I know that that is not an easy thing to do, but maybe make it an exercise to think beforehand: what is the main message of my post? Write your post keeping that in mind. When you're done, use the preview and ask yourself: am I getting my message across? For instance, this post is a post that does not get a message across. If you still think AF is scummy, say so. If you think he's not, just say "yeah, AF's response was good. He is off the hook for now". Pointing out that your case generated discussion is not something you should do... it seems like you are excusing yourself for a bad case. No. You found something scummy in AF's playing and pointed it out. Other people disagreed with you. If you disagree with them, say so forcefully. | ||
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