Newbie Mini Mafia VIII - Page 42

On April 18 2012 08:03 vonKlaust wrote:
Alright. One positivt thing actually comes from this. Now we know for sure that all of Acros' reads were genuine. I'm going to bed, see you tomorrow.

On April 18 2012 08:03 vonKlaust wrote:
Alright. One positivt thing actually comes from this. Now we know for sure that all of Acros' reads were genuine. I'm going to bed, see you tomorrow.

This gets me very interested in the possibility of HiroPro&Dittert&imallinson... I'll have to look how HiroPro and Dittert have talked about imallinson next!

I'm actually getting pretty excited already. It's not too bad even if I die now, since the whole Mafia team has been potentially revealed. If I die and flip town, please focus your attention on these three players immediately. Don't forget to use DT/Vigi/Jailer. And heal Acrofales, I think.

On April 18 2012 04:04 Xatalos wrote:
Why To Lynch Willz



First Mafia slip: why would you want to kill a townie just for posting a stupid suggestion? You even say specifically that his town flip would help "weeding out the real scum"... How exactly? It's not like a bandwagon on Dittert for his stupid play and a town flip would reveal anything useful for us, especially if there would be just a bandwagon on him and nothing else during Day 1. It would be a dream come true for Mafia, not for town.

This was the beginning of D1, I was calling out Dittert for his bad suggestion and continuing to defend it, compare Dittert to Brood in terms of helpfulness overall. Dittert makes a rant against us after we lynch Brood for what everyone agrees was a 100% dumb move as town and a total scumslip, then makes an emo post martyring himself when he was the #1 target D2. If you think he's town, is this really helping? Both of them are "bad town" and have been very unhelpful, Brood especially pretty much ruined D1 because at least we would have ascertained either myself or Yomi's alignment with a successful lynch, which would have been more beneficial overall! Mis-lynches happen, it's part of Mafia, but that was seriously the worst thing he could ever have done to screw town over. I'm not sad over Brood's death since he wasn't helpful, but I can be angry at him and Dittert for being useless. I've been consistently defending Dittert and he's been consistently attacking me, when this game is over I really would appreciate an apology coming from him if we're both town, it's the least he can do.



In hindsight, this looks like potentially suiciding and denying additional information about Mafia connections for town. It's always better to say everything you have and prove your innocence: at the very least others will have something to discuss about next when you flip town. If you suicide as town, you just deny information and give a free kill for Mafia. If you suicide as Mafia, you protect your teammates and confuse town.

[i] Are you conveniently ignoring the fact that when you told me to post what I could to be helpful that I did so? Are you really going to say my martyring myself was unhelpful for town considering the vote was 6+ at that point and I WAS AGREEING WITH YOUR REASONING TO LYNCH ME? You're acting like I did nothing but say, welp I guess I'm dead, /voteself, and left the thread. This is what Dittert did, not me, and I think this part of your case is terrible.



So it's better to lynch an active poster than a lurker, regardless of what you think of our Mafia probabilities? Lurkers benefit Mafia, active posters benefit town.
Just because you're an active poster doesn't give you any more credibility than a lurker. What does lynching a lurker do when they haven't commented or associated themselves with anyone else? This is the main point I was against voting Dittert in favor of you, you have commented on many people, for example, your tunneling on Yomi can give towncred to Yomi if you flip scum, alternatively it can make Yomi look more suspicious if you flip town. You act like town knows exactly who to lynch at every point, I wish it was that easy, lynching is the only method for town to reliably obtain information outside of blue roles, we can't do the same for who Mafia shoots because it's entirely WIFOM speculation as to Mafia's motives which we do not have as town. Lynching you over a lurker would give more information, don't lie and say it wouldn't.



Malicious WIFOM making Acrofales look "bad" once KharadBanar or someone else with high credibility gets killed instead. Possibly a Mafia strategy to plant suspicion on Acrofales beforehand with this really weak WIFOM.

This was WIFOM as to why Acro did not die N1, and don't tell me I was the only one who thought this. You have to speculate at some point as why to why certain people are being targeted and some people aren't. I already stated this to be WIFOM so calling it WIFOM isn't really a shocker. Considering Acrofales was shot, how does my WIFOM help him now since he's dead? We obviously know he's town now, can I ask you why you were defending him so hard during the night when he was only in danger from Mafia, not from town trying to lynch him?

I'm in a hurry so this'll have to do, I'll be back later!

On April 18 2012 11:23 Dittert wrote:
I'm going to do what the good doctor ordered:

##Vote: Xatalos

On April 18 2012 11:25 willz22912 wrote:
, I have posted that a lot of you still find me as suspicious and posting bad cases would only continue to make me look bad, and posting cases on people who suspected me would only reek of OMGUS and be hard to substantiate. This is defensive reasoning for why I haven't contributed, but it's the truth unfortunately.

On April 18 2012 12:34 yomi wrote:

So you were afraid to post because it would make you look guilty. But when you were up on the chopping block you were willing to sacrifice yourself to give us the "connection" info that your flip would give us. At one point you are willing to engage in fearless town play, and at another trying to avoid suspicion at all costs.
How can you reconcile these two positions?



@ Xatalos:
You are not helpful when under scrutiny. You get very defensive. Look at page 6 of your filter. You go into "survival mode". Even pleading to my self interest to vote switch to save you. When others were about to be lynched, or were about to die they posted as much useful information as possible to help town before their death. Please respond to this allegation.


Dittert I am waiting for his "big D3 post that we will all ignore".

On April 18 2012 08:15 Xatalos wrote:
I'm not sure anymore about the Mafia read Acrofales had on yomi, but I certainly agree with Willz and funcmode. Let's lynch Willz now, though, since most can agree it's the best read we have at the moment.

KharadBanar, why no nightly post? Did you have to go AFK at such a moment? Luckily you weren't shot though. What do you think of the dying posts of Acrofales? He was your best town read, so I put value in your opinion.

On April 18 2012 16:49 KharadBanar wrote:

Sorry about no nightly post. Spring break is over for me and I'm getting up at 8:15 AM again. I value my sleep schedule, so I went to bed before the Day post (I did address this in an earlier post).

SO, without further ado because I didn't die that night, here's my thoughts on the situation:

Acrofales being dead, we have to worry about who takes the initiative in leading the discussion and I'm currently not very comfortable with a potential scum member doing so in Xatalos (I don't think Xatalos should be our lynch since he's not the most likely of Mafia members, but enough so that I don't necessarily think him taking over is a good thing for town. I will be as active as I can while I can, during the [EU] day I will likely not be as active (read: probably not at all) because I'm at the university. vonKlaust, if you're reading this: make an effort and get active again, the town needs contributors now and you are probably the most towny player around besides me. If you make a thought out case, people are going to trust you, use that trust! About Xatalos, one last thing to note is that after willz' defense, Xatalos just attacked him further without addressing his defense. On this alone, I would argue that he's an even likelier mafia member than willz, but his activeness and general behaviour suggests otherwise.

willz22912: He defended himself (again!) and while his reasoning is okay in that, I'm still very unsure because of how often willz managed to get himself in such a situation in this game: No matter how good your defense is, if you have to defend yourself too often, then in general it's because you scumslip often and I'm going to get suspicious. In willz' case, I'm very suspicious. His reads are okay though, making a good point about imallinson.

About that: imallinson, where are you? You didn't do too much scummy, but you only ever contributed to discussion in easy ways, and it's not looking like you are making any attempt to get more active either. As a non-Dittert player, I expect better from you, and I'm slightly suspicious because of that since you look like you at least know what you are talking about, when you're talking.

That concludes my morning reads; if you're one of my suspected players get out there and say why I'm wrong, if you're not get out there and scumhunt! This may be our final day, let's not waste it!