Newbie Mini Mafia VIII - Page 44

On April 16 2012 13:44 Dittert wrote:
As for my last post, you better believe my frustration was genuine. If this game ended today, I would not be the saddest person alive. How could I not be frustrated? People started yelling at me for being newb/dumb right after my very first post, and they have essentially not let up since. FWIW, I used my phone to show the thread to my fiancee during some down time today, and her response was "Wow, those guys are really mean to you. Is this fun?" So there you go.

Reading through the filters, I still can't find a more suspicious person than willz. I will now wait a second to allow you to bang your head on your desk and go "seriously, this shit again?"

Careful though, don't bang too hard. Despite my previous raging, I don't actually want any of you to hurt yourselves. It's just a game.

To start, we have the cases brought against him the first day by Acrofales and myself. Willz never really defends himself fully from Acro's case, instead he just plays the martyr/sympathy card and even admits that Acro's case sounds solid and reasonable.



I couldn't understand Willz's motive for admitting to the merits of Acro's case, especially after everyone seemed to agree that my case against Willz was OMGUS and meritless. Then it struck me:

Confusion.

On April 16 2012 13:44 Dittert wrote:
As for the third mafia... well, I literally have no idea. I strongly suspected ArcticFox, but that didn't actually pan out. The rest of you seem to be prattling on like misguided townies.

Xatalos - I am very interested in hearing this theory:



I really want to hear a theory and a reason that doesn't involve you claiming DT, because if you've blueslipped here, the mafia will surely kill you tonight. The last thing the town needs is a dead DT.

On April 17 2012 09:54 Dittert wrote:
Two times I come home from work and two times I see an idiotic bandwagon that results in the town lynching another townie.

I might as well start writing up my post for D3 so you all can ignore it again...

Sigh.

On April 18 2012 07:30 Dittert wrote:
Home from work early today... am I too late for the bandwagon?

On April 18 2012 07:47 Dittert wrote:
Since I'm home, I might as well post something, especially considering that it seems likely that I'm shot tonight. I could see a vig shooting me for being suspicious/bad/a smartass, but I could also see a Xat/Acro/3rd mafia team shooting me to reinforce their case against Willz. I've been tunneling Willz hard, and me flipping town (which I know I will) could lend some credence to my case.

I'm still suspicious of Willz, but I haven't had time to reevaluate my case in light of everyone's postings today. Just skimming it though, I am way more suspicious of this Xat/Acro tag team we have going on. If I die, my advice is to follow the doctor's orders and just lynch Xat tomorrow. If I don't die, I'll waste my time reading through all these posts so that I can make a longer case for you to ignore tomorrow.

On April 19 2012 07:57 willz22912 wrote:
I'm a bit baffled by some of your responses. Xatalos is ignoring my defense and the holes I put into his case, fine, we both think the other is Mafia, so we're going to ignore each other.

Others, I'm just having a hard time understanding what exactly you want from us. Do you want me to post my other scum reads besides Xatalos? I will and have done so in the past 24 hours, so what is the point? This is the last lynch we will get as town, if we mis-lynch we lose the game, we need to guarantee a lynch goes through on everyone we can agree is Mafia, either myself or Xatalos, there are no other candidates so asking for other reads seems pretty counter-intuitive unless you want to try a hand at connection play (which made Acro decide that Hiro was aligned with Dittert and imallinson and got him lynched.)

I'm also curious by the fact that none of you ever brought up the point I made about Xatalos mentioning a DT claim during the night and how even Acrofales thought that was a really dumb idea and anti-town. Why would any town think up that plan, why is everyone ignoring this, especially imallinson when he decided to vote me instead of Xatalos?

On April 19 2012 14:15 Dittert wrote:
Crazy Dittert here again...

I know you're probably used to ignoring this post, but if you're town DO NOT IGNORE THIS POST OR ELSE YOU WILL LIKELY LOSE.

To be fair, I think we've lost anyway, but following my advice is the only sure-fire way not to lose at the end of D3. For those of you unaware, if we mislynch, we automatically lose (ML makes it 4-3, N3 makes it 3-3 and then we are endgamed). Therefore, we must lynch someone we know 100% is mafia.

Fortunately, today we have someone who fits that description. I know this because I am Detective. The first night, I checked ArcticFox, and he came up town, but also dead. Last night, I checked KharadBanar and he came up not town. Therefore, we must lynch KharadBanar.

##Unvote: Xatalos
##Vote: KharadBanar

Here's my case:

I. On Being Detective

I know you might not believe that I am detective, as I have been what seems to be the worst player ever. Here's what I was thinking, however.

D1 I obviously have no information to go on, so I just make a case against Willz as best I can. My RNG proposal was just me being new. After reading through the filters and seeing the reactions, I believed our Mafia team was definitely Willz and Yomi and the third member was likely AFox. I was so confident about Willz and Yomi (overconfidence being one of many newb mistakes) that I checked AFox to confirm my suspicion of the third. I make an awkward attempt at breadcrumbing my investigation here (first letter of each paragraph bolded):



And here:



In that same post, I call out Xatalos on a "blueslip," which I think is a scumslip. He hints at being DT, and I try to get him to claim DT so that I know for sure he is mafia (since I am DT):



After D2, I was now uber-suspicious of Acro and Xato, mostly because Acro led the charge to switch the vote off Xato to HiroPro, who as we saw turned out to be doctor. I knew most people thought I was either scum or just terrible, so I decided to keep playing that card to keep myself alive:





I was antagonizing the town so the mafia would assume everyone else would stay suspicious of me. (My N1 rage post was completely sincere, and all that bad RL stuff really did happen to me. FMRL.) Since I thought Acro would be the only one game-savy enough to catch my breadcrumbing, and since I now strongly suspected he might be mafia, I thought he might shoot me. Hence this post:



I knew I'd flip DT when I died, and I didn't want people thinking I had investigated Willz on N1. I hadn't. My Willz case for D2 was still based solely on my reads.

II. On Investigating KB

Okay, so if you believe I'm DT, why the hell did I investigate KB, who everyone thought was 99% town?

Well, like the first night, I was convinced I had 2 of the 3 mafia figured out: Acro and Xat. Not only did they "save" Xat with the Hiro vote, but they were also spamming up the thread all N2. Once again, I went hunting for the third mafia member.

I dismissed Willz right away because he had a lot of heat on him from Acro, so I couldn't be sure the mafia wouldn't frame him (assuming we have a framer in the game).

With Willz out, I also dismissed Yomi, since most of my scum read on him came from his association (in my mind, at least) with Willz. Not 100% town, but not the most likely candidate either.

Funcmode seemed like a terrible choice, given that his filter was essentially empty. Figuring out that he was mafia wouldn't allow me to connect any dots, assuming either Acro or Xat turned up town down the road.

That left KharadBanar, vonKlaust, and iamallinson. To be honest, I wouldn't be 100% surprised if all three turned up as our mafia team. They haven't posted too much, but they also haven't really been accused on anything. Perhaps they've spent the whole game sitting back and allowing us townies to lynch each other. In the end, I just went on a hunch and investigated KharadBanar.

Given that basically everyone in town had him as their "99% town" read, it seems highly unlikely that the mafia felt the need to frame him, especially with so many other people in the middle of the discussion.

III. On Not Being Mafia Myself

How do you know I'm not mafia making a false DT claim? I guess technically you don't, and if you're not convinced yet, here's more reasoning:

THE MAFIA DON'T NEED TO FAKE DT CLAIM TO WIN.

4 votes will lynch somebody, and they have 3 votes. All they need is for one townie to be up for debate and they can gang up for the win. Since we already have Willz and Xat going at each other, it seems likely that at least one of them is town. Assuming both of them have at least one townie vote near the deadline tomorrow, we lose. The mafia will switch to the town member and they will win.

The only way this play makes even a little sense as mafia is if Willz and Xat are both scum as well and I'm trying to get them both off the chopping block. That doesn't make sense either, given the fact that:

1) I have been going after Willz aggressively the entire game. That's a pretty long con - all to set up this highly unlikely endgame scenario...?

2) Willz and Xat are going back and forth now, which would mean they're double bussing.

3) I was the first to vote for Xat on D3, meaning I'm bussing a teammate yet again.

4) If you don't believe me, isn't the person you're most likely to lynch me? In that case, we would still lose a mafia member. If you don't believe me and you don't lynch me, you're just not thinking clearly. I'm either right or mafia.

After we lynch KB, mafia will surely kill me N3, especially if KB is the framer. After that, it's basically a guessing game and an odds game. Best of luck to you.

I'll be around a bit Thursday morning to answer questions from non-confirmed mafia members, but once again I'll miss the vote due to work. Please don't screw this one up.

Vote KB or Bust!

On April 19 2012 17:23 imallinson wrote:
@Dittert

There's a few things I'm not understanding about your claim.

#1: Why check ArcticFox? At the end of Day 1 he seemed like one of the most town people. This could be an easy way of faking a claim, someone you know the alignment of and you didn't actually have to make a case on because they were already dead.

#2: Why check Kharad? If you had narrowed it down to me, Kharad and vonKlaust it would make more sense to go for me or maybe vonKlaus, Kharad seems much more town than either of us.

#3: "THE MAFIA DON'T NEED TO FAKE DT CLAIM TO WIN." This is just wrong. If it looked like one scum member was going to get lynched then fake claiming DT is an excellent move. If we have no DT then it's an easy way to lynch one of the best town players. If we do then you have a decent chance to convince the town to lynch their own DT. Seeing as Xatalos was suspicious of your claim right away I don't think he is your scum buddy. It fits nicely if Willz is however.

#4: This is what I think is the most damning evidence against your claim. Why if you knew Kharad was scum would you vote for Xatalos? This makes me think you decided to fake claim after you saw Willz in trouble. There isn't any other explanation for this.

I think this makes you look insanely scummy and it makes Willz look like your scum buddy. However you are the more obvious lynch at the moment.

##Unvote
##Vote: Dittert

On April 19 2012 17:33 Xatalos wrote:


You bring up a lot of good points, imallinson. I don't really think you're Mafia anymore... Why would you bus both of your teammates this hard in that case?

Right now my conclusion is this:

A) Willz is certainly Mafia
B) Dittert is certainly Mafia
C) Funcmode is probably Mafia

However, I'd rather lynch Willz before Dittert. Dittert's last post is pretty much him claiming Mafia, but Willz is hugely more nefarious and might even convince town to lynch someone else in the endgame situation. Dittert, on the other hand, just keeps digging his own grave by fake claiming to protect Willz.

On April 19 2012 17:42 imallinson wrote:


Well we probably need to come to a consensus on who to lynch and the terrible DT claim makes me more sure Dittert is scum than Willz. I'd say Dittert is 95% scum Willz 90%. So in my eyes we should go for Dittert. Also if we are sure Willz is scum it's easy enough to ignore his posts.

On April 19 2012 23:29 Dittert wrote:
Okay, so what we've learned so far:

1) iamallinson and Xat are either the last 2 mafia OR too poor of logicians to help us in the endgame anyway.

iamallinson does make at least one point though. Why did I vote Xatalos if I know KB is mafia? I'm not sure if that was the right play or not, but I needed to get discussion going on someone other than Willz, if only so the town could see people's D3 reactions. I was afraid everyone would think "Acro thought Willz was the most likely scum player, and Acro was the best town player, so let's just lynch Willz and be done with it." Willz making a case back against Xat could just be seen as him trying to save himself or OMGUS.

I wanted to make a case against KB without DT claiming, but that's really hard to do from his filter. Not because he's so pro-town, but rather because his filter is so empty. Sure, he's got 4 pages of posts, but a lot of them are things like "lol, ninja'd." His voting record consists of almost entirely bandwagon votes on townies, but that doesn't look so out of place in this game - especially since most everyone else jumped on the bandwagon D1 and D2 as well.

On April 19 2012 14:15 Dittert wrote:
Well, like the first night, I was convinced I had 2 of the 3 mafia figured out: Acro and Xat.

On April 19 2012 14:15 Dittert wrote:
That left KharadBanar, vonKlaust, and iamallinson. To be honest, I wouldn't be 100% surprised if all three turned up as our mafia team. They haven't posted too much, but they also haven't really been accused on anything. Perhaps they've spent the whole game sitting back and allowing us townies to lynch each other. In the end, I just went on a hunch and investigated KharadBanar.

On April 20 2012 01:59 KharadBanar wrote:
OK look.
So I went to bed yesterday thinking about how we, as a town, can decide whether to vote for willz or Xatalos. I slept, woke up today and went to the university. After a long day I come home and read through the thread and.... what? WHAT?
WHY ON EARTH is someone fakeclaiming cop to paint me scum?
Why on earth is someone fakeclaiming cop to paint ME scum, out of all people? Dittert is Dittert after all, but why ME and not someone more believable like imallinson? Or Xatalos?How could any self-respecting townie ever be convinced of "figuring Acrofales out"? This sounds like pretty bad invented reasoning to come up with some alleged "scum reads".
So of all the people to investigate (apart from Acrofales, who you were "convinced" he was scum), you picked the most townie looking to test if he's scum?
Excuse me, but that sounds like a genuinely stupid move. It just does not make any sense. Coming from a generally underperforming player, your posts sound like a straight scum claim.

At least if you wanted to distract town from meaningful discussion, you managed it. I'll give you that.

##Vote: Dittert

On April 20 2012 02:17 Dittert wrote:
All right mafia team (I'm talking to you, KB, Xat and imallinson). Answer me this:

If I'm mafia and trying to save Willz, why wouldn't I just step up and post a better case against Xatalos? Like I said before, with 2 choices on the block, the only reason for me to make this claim is if Willz and Xat are both mafia. Given Xat's reaction to my claim, I think that's highly unlikely.

Also, that makes 3 votes on me now. Everyone else realize that if you vote for me before we have 4 votes on KB, we lose, as I'll be the first one to reach 4 in the event of a 4-4 tie.

On April 19 2012 19:38 Xatalos wrote:
Lynching Dittert is the safest bet right now, and Willz is certainly Mafia as I reasoned earlier, but I'd like to add why Funcmode is very likely Mafia as well (sorry about the look of this post; I can't make it look as shiny as my Willz case while on my phone and in a hurry).

So far Funcmode has made exactly 3 posts with any kind of content. In the first he made a small list of his town/Mafia reads (without much reasoning, if any) and each of those "unique" reads pretty much parroted the general consensus at the time. It was the minimum amount of contribution he could make to continue flying under the radar, while not actually saying anything new. His second post actually had some of his own thoughts in it, but it was such a huge and pointless block of text that mostly everyone seemed to ignore/forget it right away. His third post was similar to his first: not saying anything new, just repeating what had already been said by others. The theme of his posts seems to be "forgettable, rephrased, pointless".

The ONLY unique/new thing he has said all game (!!!) is that he thought the "most scummy post" by Willz was actually a "very pro-town post". Granted, it's not yet proven 100% that Willz is Mafia, but I can't really explain Willz's actions as town actions anymore, so this out-of-place defense for Willz is pretty suspicious in my eyes. He also had some other vague opinions in that huge wall of text (second relevant post), such as me and Acrofales maybe being a Mafia team, which is clearly now proved false.

About every other player I can say they have at least contributed SOMETHING, however minimal. But Funcmode has been just hiding behind the general consensus and not making non-vague accusations, pressure, or pretty much anything at all. He strikes me as a player only interested in hiding and blending in, not at all interested in finding Mafia or bringing anything new to the table. Such apathy and hesitation about the most important goal for townies can only be explained by one thing: being Mafia.

On April 19 2012 06:49 funcmode wrote:

First I'll address my defense of Willz's post, which I stated sounded very pro-town based on the fact that it agreed strongly with my own reads at the time (specifically Acro and Xatalos being a scummy tagteam - based largely on HiroPro's last statement and the seemingly great lengths both were willing to go to defend each other). You (Xatalos) state that I was the only person to defend his post which "everyone called as "weird", "suspicious" or even "the most scummy post in the game."" The reality is, only you and Acro originally called out the post as suspicious, which is obviously to be expected as it focused on both of you specifically. Only later did KB come out and say it sounded a bit suspect. Everyone else (Yomi, imallinson, Dittert and vonK) let it mostly slip under the radar. So I don't think it's fair to call me out on defending this post in the manner you did, especially since the underlying theory behind why I agreed with it and cited the post as "pro-town" ended up being completely false anyway.