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Sandroba, you really got a vig to shoot Ace just because he wouldn't claim to you? ??? if you said that he was being disruptive or pushing scum agendas in PM land then that would be plausible, but I don't know why you would just pop a dayvig shot when you have nothing to conclude that he is scum. Bleh.
On April 17 2012 07:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
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VE what did you edit out here? was it a mod directed edit?
On April 17 2012 08:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
The following people need to be interrogated thoroughly and put under insane amounts of scrutiny right now:
MrZentor, Myself, Sandroba, GMarshal, wherebugsgo, and prplhz
If your name isn't on this list, you need to be in this thread asking questions of the following people and making them share their reads with you so you can determine for yourself if they're trustworthy.
Oh VE, you want us to scrutinize people including yourself? speaking of which:
On April 16 2012 16:53 EchelonTee wrote:Myriad of questions I want answered or I tunnel your lurker ass:@Node, it sounded like you were going to be doing things in thread and running a good game. So far you've been more disappointing than Santa being fake. Any thoughts on today's lynch? @VE you're doing that thing where you lightly troll, lurk, and don't build any cases. Smells a lot like TL LI. Why do you think Ace is scum? @Sinensis The times I have seen you play town, you've been more abrasive in pursuing your opinons and/or plans. All you have done is lightly discredit others in a non-assertive manner. Any scum reads? Hell I'll take town reads. @Coag you've been pretty bold in making assertions, and it's quite obvious you think Ace is scum. Why aren't you pushing him now?
I asked you a question way earlier and you never responded. I asked 3 other people questions and they never answered me. Nothing can get done in thread because people under scrutiny just ignore the scruinty and continue lurking / floating in PM land, such as yourself. If you demand transparency, you have to show it. You're finally starting to get to work, which is moderately redeeming, but seriously. How the hell are we supposed to play this game if no one posts??
Node, where the hell are you?
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I'm not building cases because there's nothing to build a case on. I'm trying to change that now.
I believed Ace was scum because I believed at the time that he was pushing a scum agenda. It was a fucking stupid notion that was furthered by him not responding my PM, but that's the short of it. I thought he was intimidated by what was happening in PMland, which indicated a guilty conscience to me.
Yes, no one is posting and I'm trying to remedy that.
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prplhz, I have never ever known you to play a lurky town style. You have literally posted nothing and as a semi-vet this is a glaring big red flag. I propose a prplhz lynch because he has done nothing which is utterly strange for him. And then he sheeps on MrZentor with 0 reasoning. Regardless of MrZ's alignment, prplhz absence is scummy.
##Vote prplhz
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##Vote prplhz
cause his lurking is unacceptable and hes clearly invested in the game considering his ninja votes 2 days now but has no desire to participate other than lynching and thats scummy as fuck no matter what way you cut it.
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prplhz has spent a fair amount of time trying to understand my reasoning for my Ace vote. The reason this strikes me as strange is that he laid out a much more thought-out and fact-filled case than I was entertaining, but his vote was NOT on Ace. Yet he's willing to immediately sheep my vote on MrZentor based on a perceived scumslip? And without so much as announcing it in the thread?
##Unvote: MrZentor
##Vote: prplhz
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Yeah, we need to get prphlz to say something.
##Vote: prphlz
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No, if he's scum we need to get prplhz to die. Zentor do you know something we don't about prplhz' alignment?
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No, I don't. I want to force him to say something or he dies. I'm not going to unvote him if he convinces me that he's not mafia. That's not likely.
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I meant I will unvote him*
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GMarshal, if you're feeling well now, this would be the time for the captain to come in and make a statement on the game's proceedings.
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On April 17 2012 09:55 EchelonTee wrote:
GMarshal, if you're feeling well now, this would be the time for the captain to come in and make a statement on the game's proceedings.
+1
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AIM: DeathRage81
That's all I got at work. I don't know what's so hard about posting in the thread, but there's my only means of communication while at work outside of site-PMs.
I really prefer you guys post your thoughts in-thread, as it will allow townies not in-the-know to make informed decisions, but hey...what do I know, right?
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On April 17 2012 10:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
AIM: DeathRage81
That's all I got at work. I don't know what's so hard about posting in the thread, but there's my only means of communication while at work outside of site-PMs.
I really prefer you guys post your thoughts in-thread, as it will allow townies not in-the-know to make informed decisions, but hey...what do I know, right?
That's what I'm saying.
You keep saying shit I agree with yet your PM to me appears to be big time blue fishing.
What gives?
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Because of the phrase "At first I thought you were blue"? That doesn't even make sense it's just an observation about your play. In what way does the phrase "At first I thought you were blue" constitute blue-fishing?
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I took it more as "you're blue or you're scum.
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I don't understand - that doesn't explain how my observation about your play is in any way role-fishing. Wanna reason that out for me sir?
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Vayesh sighed at how clueless people could be. Why would anyone shoot the black man, everyone knows thats always a red herring. Ace was clearly voicing his opinion on matters and was silenced for it. A careful look should be given to those in "in charge." It was also very odd to see so many people with such suspicious behaviour suddenly absent today when they made such an effort to appear yesterday. Yes, Vayesh thought, very strange indeed.
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For posterity, here is prplhz' observation about Ace's play:
In PMs, prplhz wrote:
No not really. I think Ace looks bad because he doesn't look like he's trying in this game. He started out with his random shiz but that's okay since that's apparently what he does and I don't mind random shiz much (I think I did it myself sometimes?). Anyway, he didn't seem to move on from it at all, he continued for quite long and in that last game he played (the mini with you and Palmar) he moved away from it to call Palmar out for being scum!, like what the whole random stuff does is put people in situations where he can do that stuff.
He was also not very "preemptive" about froggynoddy, it was pretty clear that GMarshal was going to lynch froggynoddy but Ace didn't have an opinion on that until AFTER the lynch, and then he didn't actually say anything about GMarshal, he just said "l0l that lynch was something only scum could have done" without saying it. He also just keeps saying "lynch lurkers", there's not been a single scum read from him so far.
I have no idea what this claim is about, sandroba and GMarshal are quite townie and now Ace is trying to run his own thing on the side for some reason. It seems... contrived? Why did he even claim? (and why did Kurumi even claim the item-trade thing, but that's a different matter)
I also don't think that he's acting all "acety ACE" as Coagulation is saying. I think he looks like he's on the back foot this game, I don't know why that is but that's also a bit flaky since I'm horrible at identifying behavior like that.
But then I think the night hits were pretty poor, like why didn't talismania die? That's the only "but" I have.
Now are you ever going to tell me why you think Ace is scum or is this a one-way street?
Now, he can come in here and say that's not what he said if he wants, but I have no reason to lie about this because my vote was on Ace at the time of his death and prplhz was not. This is the reason for my vote of him. If he thought Ace "looked bad" for the reasons he stated, it stands to reason that his vote would be on him...especially when all it takes to get his vote on someone is a perceived "scumslip".
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Four for prplhz in five minutes... yeah that's gotta be legit...
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I solved the first |10f nugget. He claimed to talk to GM, wbg, and acrofales. He received a PM from kurumi but did not respond.
Here is an important piece of information for the thread, from acrofales' chat with |10f (posted pg 33):
[21:38:49] l10f: i talked a bit to wbg
[21:38:59] l10f: kurumi sent me a PM, but I never responded
WBG, do you have that conversation?
Finally, consider the night kills. I think this mafia team is playing a much simpler game than I initially imagined. Layabout was killed because he was all over |10f. Acrofales was probably killed for the same reason, especially since we can assume that Ace was telling the truth about |10f himself doing the hit on acrofales. For all we know, |10f might have been calling all the shots for them.
The fact that Ace flipped green should make most crazy scum conspiracy theories die. The only super-crazy one left is that GM is scum and station technician just happens to be a scum role (or third party).
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