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On April 19 2012 10:57 chaoser wrote:
##vote sinani206
@VE, I think strongandbig, node, and michaelthe are the final mafia
agent wherebugsgo put on his sunglasses.
"let's fucking do this," he said, nodding in agreement.
##vote sinani206
"However, node is probably human, since he claims to have shot the coagulating beast. If no other comes forward, he is certainly cleared. In addition, I have no idea who michaelthe is, but I will be perusing through the logs to determine whether or not he could potentially be an alien."
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[2:50:27 PM] Sandro: well if i die
[2:50:35 PM] Sandro: risk and gm know the stuff
[2:50:44 PM] Sandro: we cant all die tonight
[2:50:52 PM] wherebugsgo: right
[2:51:09 PM] wherebugsgo: and who should we be killing
[2:51:10 PM] wherebugsgo: tomorrow?
[2:51:36 PM] Sandro: prob into sinani coag rayzor ET
[2:51:40 PM] wherebugsgo: k
[2:51:56 PM] Sandro: oh
[2:51:59 PM] Sandro: and s&b
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I didn't lie. I just remembered incorrectly.
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also I even sent you a message
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On April 20 2012 08:41 syllogism wrote:
I'll be off soon and provide more direction tomorrow, but I'm interested in hearing who everyone considers the best target out of the people wbg named (s&b, ET, sinani, prplhz, rayzor).
Let's get rid of sinani first, hopefully that drops mafia to 2. At that point we basically just lynch through the list.
It's like what, 21v3 right now? We're extraordinarily ahead.
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I'm fine with killing any of those players. All that matters to me is that we get a lynch going today, and I agree that all three of ET, snb, and sinani look very bad.
I'm willing to consolidate on ET or snb instead of sinani if need be.
Also I'm probably not going to be around much, as I'm studying for finals and this game is pretty much playing itself. If anyone needs something from me just PM me.
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There's no real difference between anyone on sandro's list at this point. Quite frankly, I just don't really care.
As I've said plenty of times, we're so far ahead that we can lynch whoever we want for the next 6+ days and even if they're all town we can still win.
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This discussion is essentially pointless. If you want to actually achieve something productive, then why don't you bring forth reasons why one target is better than another? I see no reason to do anything right now, because there is nothing really to discuss. quite frankly we don't achieve anything but waste time and posts in this manner.
Take it up with the myriad of lurkers if you have a problem.
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wtf??????
If that's real this is fucking retarded.
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my god this game was a nightmare
I'm never gonna be able to sleep again
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On April 21 2012 12:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
MVP - Ace for being the only person not retarded enough to care who is "confirmed"
Wish Alien's would have made more use of their powers. One use of the Psychic would have confirmed how clues and night PMs work allowing them to twist their way into it, faking PMs to indicate other people of being aliens and also likely learning the role/item holds of another player for later stealing.
I was too vague about a lot of things and I don't think people quite understood that just because someone had or used the syringe didn't confirm them to be town.
In a scenario where the aliens stole a rifle and used it at night to replace one of their base KP, they could then claim the shot later in the thread, potentially have that confirmed, and then spend the rest of the game defending on the platform that they used a town KP and are therefore town. None of this happen.
Nothing I had in mind happened, actually.
why would we use powers if we had to sacrifice KP for it?!?!?!!?!?
I don't feel like arguing about this, but honestly if you were in my position you would've easily got fucked in the ass much harder than we did.
e: not to mention psychic died n1, iirc
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and how do we explain stealing the RB block item?
"oh we just randomly picked the guy who was only known to be a DT to four people, scum totally haven't infiltrated your circle, here's your item back"
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not to mention DH your role spreadsheet thing doesn't include all the actions -_-
or items, for that matter
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it's not hard to deal with, it's pretty much impossible.
There were four/five people who knew the things sandro did. I knew most of them, albeit some things were hidden to me on n1. On n1 I knew who the tech was (who we couldn't really do anything about because he had a bodyguard) and basically what he could do, what sandro knew, who they suspected, who was likely a vig shot (I knew it was going to be l10f), who was a DT (erandorr) and who was likely to be a vig (it had to be among chaoser/risk from my n1 estimate and I was right) and who was a hatter with a bomb on a townie (acro) and who was a hatter with a bomb that could be placed anywhere (BC)
We knew SO MUCH on n1 and we could literally do nothing to stop any of it. All we could do was steal from Erandorr and hope he aimed at our GF.
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On April 21 2012 13:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If PMs were absent from the game, the incident with sandroba wouldn't have happened which made things admittedly difficult for the mafia but don't pretend you played everything perfectly WBG.
I don't appreciate you implying that I would have fucked it all up as mafia either or when you told me straight up you think I'm low enough to lie about the setup and would believe sandrobas estimate of the game over what I'm telling you as the mod.
you told me my estimates were wrong when my estimates were actually LOW
from the spreadsheet alone you can see there were 15-16 items when my estimate was 14.
So yes, you are a liar and I am saying that with confidence.
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On April 21 2012 13:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 13:02 EchelonTee wrote:
Three things that would've made me happy:
Alien having a medic power. we knew l10f and coag were totally going to get shot in the face, but we had no way to stop it.
Nerf the alien powers a bit, and let us start with an item or two. Like have the Alien Overlord start with an Exo-skeleton, and the Alien "medic" start with a syringe. Then we can take part in the item trade game.
Don't allow guns to be refilled. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but did risk.nuke start with one bullet, use it on ace, then get it refilled and he used it again on WBG? Once risk.nuke and GM became trusted townies, they had a consistent 2nd KP rolling. Pretty crazy. I never authorized or talked to risk.nuke about getting any KP beyond the day shot he got when he was upgraded. The fact that GMarshal hit 2 vig's in a row with his technician is pretty lucky and allowing PMs was a huge mistake because I guess I could have predicted somebody like sandroba coming along and getting all the information and just telling technician what to do
it's not lucky, he knew they were vigis. So did we.
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On April 21 2012 13:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If PMs were absent from the game, the incident with sandroba wouldn't have happened which made things admittedly difficult for the mafia but don't pretend you played everything perfectly WBG.
I don't appreciate you implying that I would have fucked it all up as mafia either or when you told me straight up you think I'm low enough to lie about the setup and would believe sandrobas estimate of the game over what I'm telling you as the mod.
I'm not pretending shit, and the fact that you have to resort to saying my play wasn't perfect is just insulting.
Of course I could've played better, but if I needed to play perfectly to win then it's clear the setup was broken.
Anyway discussing this more is just going to get us all to rage more so I'm out. I'm never again playing a pm game, I just don't believe they can be balanced.
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I never once said I played perfectly.
Now words are just being put in my mouth.
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On April 21 2012 17:28 Node wrote:
Holy fuck, will you guys please stop shitting on DrH for giving valid constructive criticisms of your play? You are taking this way too personally, and instead of actually having a discussion (which could be useful for all people who played, observed, or will later read this game) when you disagree you're getting offended and having heated arguments. Kindly stop.
I can accept that I was heated and I possibly went over the line.
However you must be able to see that calling sandroba "the worst player in the game" is no way constructive and in no way is it even remotely true.
Calling him the worst player when there were clearly dozens of players who did next to nothing this game and were essentially carried to victory is an insult both to sandro and to other players on this forum.
And dozens is not by any means an exaggeration.
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we were given some safe claims but the problem was that we couldn't properly back them up without use of them.
In order to use an item we had to sacrifice KP, which would've outted us because there would be missing KP that we could not account for. In addition, using a DT item to "confirm" ourselves would essentially be shooting ourselves in the foot because we would be either confirming townies as greens in the same way or bussing our own buddies. e: and if we lied about the results then we would be found out eventually, probably within a cycle or two.
Simple knowledge of something doesn't translate into actually being able to do something about it. If you don't have the necessary means to deal with something it doesn't matter what you know. That was proved by me having knowledge of almost all the town roles yet being powerless to stop the consolidation.
And by powerless I'm not kidding. Even if we double stacked sandro n1 and then used our RB+steal, we would've killed no one else on n1 and then we would've still lost l10f (since sandro had already consolidated the vig during that cycle) and then the townies sandro trusted would already have reliable info to hit 2-3 more scum. They were already onto snb and jackal and once jackal was dead coag was dead as well.
That left me and ET, and ET wasn't hidden terribly well and I couldn't hide forever. I chose the "kill as many townies as possible n1" route which worked slightly differently, but obviously it would lead to the same result. Jackal+snb+l10f (and coag by extension of jackal) were already dead by cycle 1. That's 4 out of 6 scum. What are we to do at that point?
EDIT: And think about it this way:
imagine if Ace had complied with the town circle and put his tracker item on erandor.
At that point it would've outted me and snb as scum instantly.
That would've essentially meant the entire scumteam minus ET would be dead by n2 and ET wouldn't survive much longer than that.
Imagine that we had chosen to go with a plan I had considered before, to use both the RB AND the steal on erandor (sacrificing a KP in order to do so.) That would've essentially meant all 6 of us would be dead by n2.
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