Newbie Mini Mafia VII

On April 04 2012 05:26 era wrote:
That is why i said that it wasn't very strong ><, iamallinson asked for us to share our suspicions and I did. Would you rather I not talk at all? Also someone who is scum would want to seem very pro town.

On April 05 2012 06:00 Lyter wrote:


This part makes no sense, regardless what I am I would want to defend myself lol, unless I was like a jester which isn't in this game

On April 05 2012 04:48 Lyter wrote:
1.OK, so apparently in my absence everyone decided they wanted me dead, fair enough.

I don't really have much in the way of declaring my innocence through past actions as this is the first day, so there is no backlog of votes and reasoning for you to go off. I could scream my role at you, but that probably wouldn't help at all as you have no reason to believe I'm telling truth as there have been no nights for me to exercise said role yet.

2.However I will make a case against another player after reading through everyone's filter which is pretty tough because the vast majority have said nothing other than 2 liners simply restating what some guy prior has already said. I'm voting for Gossemerr. This guy has posted a grand 3 times, and his last post was the first vote against me. This act in itself however massively contradicts something he said earlier, surely it can't be so hard to have a little consistency in the way you act across 3 posts?



3.This was his first post, actively stating that he will not lynch due to lurking, and either do it off suspicion, or vote no lynch, so of course it makes sense for him to begin the lynch train right?





4.This was his last post, in which he started the bandwagon against me.
Oh and the reason I think the reason you ask me what I think of BlueyD is not to get a response off of me for you to get a read of me, but so the rest of town has someone to look at, in fact 2 people for the town to look at, they get my response for a read, and then of course putting more pressure on BlueyD who has already had a fair bit of attention, diverting attention away from actually making progress. But instead keeping eyes elsewhere.

##vote Gossemerr

On April 05 2012 05:01 imallinson wrote:
Ok so now that everyone has voted and no one besides Lyter himself has defended him self I'm temporarily convinced he isn't scum. He could be and the other scum could be going for the risky bandwaggon to make him seem less suspicious but as far as I'm concerned he isn't a good lynch at the moment. Thus

##Unvote: Lyter

So onto who I think might actually be scum. My bet at the moment is LazinCajun seeing as he seems to be fairly for a blue outing himself day 1 which seems like something scum would want and I can't think of a reason town would want that.

##Vote: LazinCajun

On April 05 2012 05:20 era wrote:
Things are heating up. I am going to have to agree with Lyter. Grossemerrs accusation was very sudden and it was mostly based on
Which Lyter propably was since he usually posts late at night and doesnt post again until around 5, which is propably when gets off work/school.

##Unvote: Lyter
##Vote: Gossemerr

On April 05 2012 05:23 Therapist. wrote:
Such a quiet day one. I am going to agree with Lyter that Gossemerr did manage to contradict himself already by lynching a lurker straight after saying he didn't want to lynch a lurker. Pretty strange.

##Unvote
##Vote: Gossemerr

On April 05 2012 06:43 imallinson wrote:


My point is there is one more scum out there assuming Lyter is scum then they would be risking losing half their number if they don't defend him. It certainly doesn't remove all suspicion from him but enough for me think he is a bad lynch today. As for Lazin I have been reasonably convinced of his motives the only reason I haven't changed my vote is I haven't been convinced as to anyone else's scummyness.

On April 05 2012 07:48 era wrote:
Sorry I missed the last hour, I had to go workout and eat dinner. Sad that we lynched a townie, but it could have been worse.


I don't think you can say that it doesn't make Gossemerr more suspicious just because hes being aggressive and thats not what mafia usually does, He could just be breaking the meta to not look suspicious. I think that it does make Gossemerr more of a suspect since Lyter turned out to be a townie.
Also does iamallison look more suspicious since she changed her vote to lazin? Maybe to try to make herself look more innocent?

On April 06 2012 00:14 BlueyD wrote:
Well, Nova, I'll also acknowledge that my meta has changed: I now know how to lynch on meta. Note that this is a justified change (unlike Goss's apparent switch), as I would have hit a scum last game (you) if I had done it and one of the veterans commenting after the game pointed out this should have been done... and that's a big part of why I'm now trying it this time.

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Gossemerr, I'm being attacked for making jokes now, really? I'll tell you, there's two reasons I'm making jokes. First... it's fun! Second... I wanted to see who jumped on them to try to make a case look better than it is. Grats, you did.

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Lyter's reason:
- OMG Goss says he doesn't want to lynch lurkers and then puts a vote on me for lurking!

My reasons:
- Goss says he's meta-switching and his reason makes no sense to me
- Goss then seems to revert to old meta despite saying he'd change

Are they the same? Lyter's reason and my 2nd reason are similar, I'll grant, and I'm ready to accept your defense against it: you were just pressuring. Do tell us you're ready to switch your vote away if he posts something of quality next time you pressure-vote, however, not just "Gotta start somewhere." Not switching afterwards is entirely justifiable as well given the situation: gotta save your own skin.

The first still looks to me like something scum would do, and that's the bigger one of the two for me: You suddenly decided lynching a lurker is bad, when one of the big 2 lurkers was scum last game. Explain. You haven't even come close from doing so, instead choosing to attack me on jokes.

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Therapist is another suspicion for reasons already mentioned by others, but I'll add my weight in asking him why he switched if he thought both votes had equal value. I'll add that he was lurker #2 on my list before the vote, so he really needs to pick up his play.

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imallinson, let's be honest here: you can't play neutrality in this situation. There were two likely lynch candidates, and they were tied. You're the tiebreaker! You owe it to the town to examine both cases and pick who dies, because one of them will die anyway, and your pick won't.

Instead, you went "nope! not getting into this". This is an "avoid blame" move, not a "find the best lynch" move. I can understand the initial switch away from Lyter, who suddenly had a better post than a lot of people in the game. I can't really understand not switching back to either him or Goss once you knew that one of them would die.

On April 06 2012 02:24 Therapist. wrote:
As I saw it, the main reason we were voting for Lyter to begin with was to apply pressure and get him to post. It was successful and he did post and he defended himself, so there was really no reason to continue voting for him since he really didn't say anything scummy at all. Therefore, both votes did not really have EQUAL value anymore. I would have liked for Gossemerr to defend himself at that point and get the conversation going, but pretty much everyone either got set on their original Lyter vote for whatever reason or just didn't show up/discuss at all before the deadline. It was an unfortunately inactive time which cost us a lack of additional information in my opinion.

DId you guys really jump on the Lyter bandwagon intending to go all the way and lynch him no matter what? I don't see what the advantage of doing that could possibly be. There's a difference between pressure moves and kill moves.

On April 03 2012 22:00 era wrote:
Yeah i wouldn't want to Lynch a quite blue, Now if only we had some actual information.

On April 05 2012 07:48 era wrote:
Sorry I missed the last hour, I had to go workout and eat dinner. Sad that we lynched a townie, but it could have been worse.


I don't think you can say that it doesn't make Gossemerr more suspicious just because hes being aggressive and thats not what mafia usually does, He could just be breaking the meta to not look suspicious. I think that it does make Gossemerr more of a suspect since Lyter turned out to be a townie.
Also does iamallison look more suspicious since she changed her vote to lazin? Maybe to try to make herself look more innocent?

On April 05 2012 07:59 era wrote:
Also I think that anyone who voted for Lyter made a big mistake, because he actually defended himself (even if it was a weak defense), while grossemere basicly blew it off and said that he is busy and that he will defend himself later.

On April 06 2012 02:25 era wrote:
In class for one more hour, will respond with a case for someone when I get back home.

On April 06 2012 02:28 era wrote:


I went on the Lyter bandwagon just to pressure, when Lyter defended himself I switched my vote to gross, Gross never defended himself and since there was never really a good case for Lyter I felt like everyone should have switched to Gross. Why lynch lyter vs gross if lyter actually defended himself?

On April 06 2012 04:21 era wrote:


How would you saying that you will change your vote if lyter post something of quality make him not post anything of quality? I don't understand please explain yourself.

On April 04 2012 09:16 Gossemerr wrote:
Alright I think seviro does not know the game started or something considering no posts. Lyter on the other had has not said much of anything. Response to me asking why he asked who is scum:



but then nothing else. Lyter why do you think BlueyD is playing so aggressive right now?

##Vote: Lyter

Gotta start somewhere.

On April 06 2012 05:53 era wrote:
Ill try and add to Gossemerrs case against BlueyD. Lets start from the beginning.

BlueyD starts off with linking his filter from last game where he is a townie, Why is he so quick to defend himself, what is he so worried about? If he is a townie he should not be worried about defending himself right from the start his actions will reveal that he is a townie, he should be more focused on finding scum but instead he quickly takes charge to proclaim his innocence.

After making a joke in his first post he claims that he is "playing around before the game really picks up and I have to be more serious." If he is just playing around before the game picks up, why does he feel the need to defend himself so early and proclaim his innocence? Perhaps it is because he is scum.

BlueyD is super focused on the meta, he explains meta for me in his next post when I ask about the relevance of the filter.


So he wants us to focus on the meta and links us his previous game where he is a townie, convenient isn't it? If we focus on the meta and his meta is almost the same as last game than obviously he is innocent. He also make this joke



Whats the point of this joke? I think hes trying to downplay his experience by saying that its only his second game, surely he cant have such an elaborate rogue if its only his second game. He later explains the reason for his jokes.


Interesting that someone so focused on having fun and not being serious is so quick to defend himself at the start of the game and even giving us a filter from last game, what a nice guy. Another reason I think that he makes all these jokes is to seem innocent, Someone whos scum would never joke about being scum, right?
You can especially see this in

Cmon hes being so obviously overdramatic trying to make you think like he actually cares weather lyter gets lynched or not, he doesnt because he is scum.



So BlueyD wants us to focus on meta but then he says that its hard to do that in a newbie game? Is he just trying to waste our time? After this he attacks gross pretty aggressively based on his meta change. He seems to contradict himself a bit here because he wants to lynch people based on a meta change but than says its really hard to do in a newbie game. Whats the point of trying to lynch someone based on meta than other than to waste time and spread misinformation?

Lastly I want to talk about


After he defends himself from gross he uses scare tactics to try to scare people into posting stuff. Maybe because grossemere is not a good target anymore since he defended his meta change. He know needs someone else to accuse in order to get the suspicion off himself.

Overall BlueyD seems pretty scummy at the moment.
##FoS: BlueyD

On April 06 2012 06:14 era wrote:


Gossemerr himself later responds and tells us that he thought it was pretty obvious that it was a pressure vote, I found it pretty obvious as well. There is not much pressure in a pressure vote if only 1-2 people vote, hence why i jumped on the bandwagon. The purpose of the wagon was not to get vote, the purpose was to pressure lyter.

On April 06 2012 06:23 era wrote:
In response to Novas case against me. So your main points is that i provide no content and that I use wifom. You act like wifom is useless when in reality it can be useful at times. I also aperantly have too much time on my hands because I read the rules, I thought everyone was supposed to read the rules? This is my first mafia game so that is the reason for most of my one liners as there was no content I had nothing to talk about. As we get more content my posts are becoming longer than one line. Sorry for being new and not knowing exactly how this game works.

On April 06 2012 06:33 era wrote:

There wasnt really any suspicion on him at that momemnt? Grossomere just made two big posts FoSing him just before.

On April 06 2012 06:42 era wrote:


The amount of content posted by Goss and Lyter was almost the same, Just because Goss had more fluff doesnt mean that He had more content. We were pressuring lyter into talking, he talked, I switched my vote since i never though lyter was scum in the first place but getting more information out there is always a good thing. Goss didnt even bother defending himself so I kept my vote on him.

On April 06 2012 06:53 era wrote:
Also i dont consider this to be much of content

On April 06 2012 06:25 LazinCajun wrote:


Nova, I think you're on the right track with most of your posts tonight. However, to be fair, saying you're voting to pressure makes the pressure of that vote less intimidating, and therefore less effective IMHO.

On April 07 2012 00:14 era wrote:
EBWOP: BlueyD you seem to know the profile of a blue and how to read for them? Maybe you already knew he was a blue before he got killed?

On April 07 2012 09:27 era wrote:


Of course I am trying to Lynch someone that I think is mafia.. Its my job.

On April 07 2012 09:49 Bocki wrote:
On the "he didnt say much on day1 to help the town": What does saying much on Day1 help the town? Thats my point that I made in my case.

BlueyD: As you can read from my case, I do not have much on you that I can read, thats why I didnt want to do my case right now, but I felt pushed, thats why I did it now. I wanted to find out more about you, but I didnt want your accusations be left in the room. When I notice something else about you, I will of course write it. I just wanted to assemble some more info. You defended that, well done.

You attacked gosse, I supported him, now you go after me. Thats not "making a good case", thats panic.

Nova: I dont think that I am the lurkiest, I think Lazin is.

Therapist: I wasnt completely silent on day1 and I didnt just let the town find a green. I proposed the mathematical solution, since it was better than just read into the 4/5 posts that each player wrote. It endet in a green getting killed, but that odd was 7:2, so I dont think it was completely unreasonable.

And again BlueyD: You should really consider to make a defense post. Not specially against me but against all the others as well. Therapist, gosse and era listed you as suspicious. If you are town, I'd hate to lynch you because then I would make myself really suspicious, but my feeling is still that you are mafia.

On April 08 2012 01:30 era wrote:


Theres not much to defend, i do post a lot of WIFOM trying not to do that as much. Blueyd asks if im a horrible townie or a horrible mafia? I am obviously a bad townie, this is my first game, Im sure I will player better in my next game. Also it might seem like i am tunneling BlueyD but hes the most suspicious in my book, I am trying to find mafia not accuse 5 different people.

On April 08 2012 03:23 era wrote:


Your main accusation is that i use WIFOM, which is your accusation for almost everyone, it seems like thats the only analysis you ever bring to the table. WIFOM is not always bad and can be useful. I do agree that I use it too much I dont know how you want me to defend myself?

I also posted about blueyD which somewhat got ignored, which is not WIFOM.
"Gossemerr, I'm being attacked for making jokes now, really? I'll tell you, there's two reasons I'm making jokes. First... it's fun! Second... I wanted to see who jumped on them to try to make a case look better than it is. Grats, you did."

I don't think that his jokes is just flavor. He makes jokes because he wants people to accuse him? Why would he want this? Its a total waste of time and makes no sense if hes a townie. If he is scum it allows him to discredit accusations and gain town favor while doing it. Ill admit its a risky strategy for a mafia since hes putting attention on him. I still find him suspicious.

Lastly Nova is always defending blueyd, so much that sometimes blueyd doesnt even have to defend himself he can just sit back and relax. Why are you so keen on defending blueyd?

DId you guys really jump on the Lyter bandwagon intending to go all the way and lynch him no matter what? I don't see what the advantage of doing that could possibly be. There's a difference between pressure moves and kill moves.

On March 16 2012 01:44 Nova_Terra wrote:
I am beginning to notice a connection as well between Eleanthas, Gossemerr, and Inferno. By connection, in some cases, I mean lack of connection. You will see what i mean. I recommend that everybody goes to google images, searches "I haz a hunch" and see the first result.

''But sine either hasn't spoken up lately...'' Inferno had really posted much more. Tough his posts had been him trying to state his earlier posts. Still Inferno had come about 3 hours earlir and defended himself and told, why we should lynch FirmTofu.
~Eleanthas on InfernOokami

The Gossemerr case

In Gossemerr's filter, He mentions Eleanthas a grand total of 1 time, In which he soft defends him by saying he fails to see why Eleanthas was more suspicious than anyone else. In gossemerr's 12 ingame posts, half of them are meaningless 1-2 lines or short answers that can barely be counted as contributing. Then, there is that post that soft defends ele, The post where he decides to lynch Firmtofu without much reasoning on his part, and the post where he says that he thinks firm is town, presents an unlikely situation, and decides to continue lynching him anyway.
Yes, a grand total of 3 posts he makes contain any real information.
In one, he throws a bit of sight to janaans "weird" posting timing, and ends it by trying to make it seem like he isnt trying to direct any attention. In another, he analyzes why we shouldnt no lynch, so a totally worthless post really. In the last, he dreams up a connection between Janaan, Phagga, and myself. Then he votes janaan with little reasoning, and this little reasoning had already been brought up by me. so just restating what i had said. Then add that to how he says phagga makes little analysis, etc.
Also, He appears to want a active lynch instead of a lurker lynch. which didnt bother me originally, but now i can see what this did, if he was a mafia with Eleanthas and InfernO. Ele and Gossemerr had been semi lurking, posting barely any content. InfernO is a hardcore lurker. I think he is trying to distract attention away from lurkers/semi lurkers by his Janaan voting post.
Also, Gossemerr never mentions infernOokami. ever.
And, as i explained in a post or two ago, Gossemerr seems to be here, a lot.

The Eleanthas case

Eleanthas mentions Gossemerr a grand total of ZERO times in his entire filter. He really never adds anything of great value to the table, and when in agreement with someone pretty just restates what they said. Not only is this suspicious within itself, but 2 of eleanthas' 8 Posts soft defend InfernO. On Inferno's first non-lurk post, Ele responds by not questioning his lurking, more just stating that Inferno is trying to lurk, which was relatively obvious, and kind of gives him the free pass by saying that he would like to hear more from Inferno in the future.
In his latest post, he defends Inferno's lurking in a relatively moderate manner. He says that he defends himself, and doesnt seem to have much of a problem with inferno having said the same thing multiple times.
Every now and then he comes in with a 1 or 2 liner to make it seem like he is adding something to the discussion. for instance,

or
Which may seem partially helpful, but all it really does is help is it helps stop the spread of town information.
Or even still
Meaningless fluff
continuing yep
and last but not least

Yes, that is 5 of Eleanthas' 8 ingame posts that are 1-2 lines and dont really contribute. Then count the fact that 2 of his other 3 posts have defended Inferno.
Yes, 2 thirds of eleanthas' posts have been to defend or reference inferno's play as not being very suspicious. Then add that with the fact that Inferno has been lurking, and how Eleanthas' first post says that we should lynch a lurker (maybe), and how Eleanthas refuses to suspect inferno.
I am liking this connection more and more.

The InfernOokami7 Case
Lets delve into InfernO's extensive 6 ingame posts. Most of which are made to avoid being replaced, it seems.
One, he asks about his opinion in a question.
Two, he further explains his side.
Three, he adds to it.
Four, he clarifies it
Five, He clarifies a typo
SIX! He finally posts analysis! He distracts from our suspiciousness of his own absence by noting how i seem to have little to say about FirmTofu's absence. at the time, my stances were already being questioned, and therefore this could be seen as an attempt to further find me suspicious. then he uses WIFOM to further prove his side. and attempts to jump onboard the bandwagon which Ele and Gosse had jumped on as well.
All in all, InfernO isnt extremely suspicious, but when coupled with the way Ele and Gosse have been acting about him, i can see in my mind a mafia trio.

I like this hunch. A lot.
I would love to see people's thoughts on this. I worked hard ^^

On April 11 2012 06:44 LazinCajun wrote:


Scumtell! You can be assured it's not the case, because you're scum and you know I'm town!

On April 11 2012 07:10 LazinCajun wrote:
Holy shit, I can't believe how early nova had a blue read on therapist

On April 11 2012 07:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I think Nova made a very risky decision with sticking with Bocki. If he jumped ship immediately onto Bocki then killed Therapist. at night I'm pretty sure he could convince BlueyD to lynch Lazin.