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It's more that I'd like to reach a consensus on it, not that what you said makes no sense. As it stands, your blueclaim and therapist's lynch at the end of Day 1 seem to be the first big pivotal moment in this game (which I'm well aware I contributed to by voting therapist at the end). | ||
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On April 02 2012 22:26 Kohbee wrote: Here's some logic. You can lynch me and watch me flip blue. Or you can listen to me and lynch solohan, strong and/or omnomnom. These 3 are most likely your scum team. Here is why. If scum had a chance to lynch a blue day 1 they are certainly not going to move off of it. If they wanted to save me to give themselves some "cred" they would have probably done it differently. Fourface I believe you cleared yourself by switching off of me thus making sure I was not lynched. You also post like you care about the game but not what others think about you. which is good No one should doubt KB being town he has played far too openly and actively this game to be scum. Hiropro was town before voting therapist but made himself more clear when he came in, argued against my lynch and voted therapist. (He is the only one I am still a little on the fence about but for now it is probably safer to assume he is scum) Marvel was high on my scum list, but there is no way a scum player would be the finisher to saving a blue's lynch. Solohan lurked (wasnt online w.e) the entire day comes into the thread blazing with accusations at me that were baseless and stupid. Strong has been posting scummy all game. He is rather defensive and he tries to create different meanings, that favor his opinions, from players posts Omnomnom doesn't give a shit about reading the thread. This could be because of ONOG, but it also could be because of him being scum and watching the town have little to no pressure on him. If you are blue I'm not quite sure how this makes sense. Hiro came in and said your lynch was stupid given past posting behaviour on the thread, and he could probably have got you lynched if he'd come down firmly the other way. | ||
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On April 02 2012 23:00 KharadBanar wrote: Can we please wait for the night to develop before we get deeper into analysis here? If there is a medic or jailkeeper, they will probably know what to do by now. When we have the additional information of who did or did not get nightkilled this may well be quite a bit easier to understand. The problem is there are so many possibilities. 1) A random townie gets killed. This could mean Kohbee is scum and they just decided to off someone. It could also mean that Kohbee is not scum, and mafia assumed that as town has a 2/3 chance of having a doc or jailer, they would just kill someone else and roleblock Kohbee. 2) Kohbee gets killed. This is clearest case as then of course Kohbee is not scum. It also PROBABLY (but not definitely) means we don't have a doc/jailkeeper as they'd likely protect Kohbee. 3) No-one gets killed. This could mean Mafia tried to hit Kohbee but he was protected. It could also mean Kohbee is mafia and mafia decided to hit no-one to make Kohbee less suspicious (that doesn't seem like a great outcome for mafia, not getting a kill). Actually now I've listed some options, information will be gleaned one way or another. Worryingly it seems 1) is the best mafia play, because it doesn't tell us much about who is mafia at all. | ||
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1) I did not have a clue who to vote for. 2) I was desperately trying to get my offrace Terran account promoted to diamond. | ||
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http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3223088/1/JrKlondike/ And if you desperately, desperately want I can provide replays, but I fear that may be going a little far. As with regards to my voting, my vote on Solohan was eminently sensible imo and you were pissing me off mightily at the time. As for the final, slightly more sensible question: again, if you look at my filter you will see my misgivings and uncertainties about my vote. Anyway, can we move on to something a little more... productive? | ||
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On April 03 2012 02:23 Kohbee wrote: If you are town this is beyond stupid. all you will do is out a doc or jailor if there is one. Stop throwing out your easy-win plans. Also mafia can just counter-claim and then we're even more confused than before | ||
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Your plan with everyone claiming roles is literally the worst plan ever invented in TL Mafia. | ||
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On April 03 2012 05:43 HiroPro wrote: Marvelosity, you said that you had no idea who to vote for. I don't believe that at all. If you didn't know, there was no way you would have switched votes right when it mattered the most. What are your reads? My vote history was Solohan (lurker) -> Fourface (protest) -> no-one -> Therapist So it wasn't the case of a last minute switch, it was a case that I had to choose between two options to lynch at the time. I also said at the time that I thought therapist was slightly townie, but he had slightly more of a chance of being mafia, which I now believe to be probably not true; at least from my perspective Kohbee claiming blue could have been a desperate scum claim (I appreciated this); what I did not appreciate until a little later was that claiming blue as the blue was not a good idea anyway. I don't like omnom's posting, if he spent half as much time making a real post as he has apologising for not doing so, we might have actually got SOMETHING from him by now. Maybe depending on the night's actions, I think there is possibly a case against kohbee. I don't think kohbee/therapist really had any case on each other, it started so early based on so little. Therapist was at least consistent and we know he didn't have adverse motives, but he suffered from a lack of posting (that is why I chose to vote therapist at the time). Fourface is either the ballsiest mafia ever but the much more likely read is that he's town. I think he has been too spammy (put-downs, pointless questions) and also his blue claim plan is just a terrible town play... but I don't think mafia could be as ballsy as to suggest it, so town. He's also going after me quite a bit which ironically makes him more town in my eyes - if he were mafia, I can't say he should be seeing me as a threat, as my play hasn't been great so far, so he'd have no reason to target me. There has been some confusing posting in the Night, but I'm not inclined to heavily sift through filters until we know the result of the Night actions. | ||
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On April 03 2012 09:35 omnomMuffins wrote: What we all need to realize right now is that with the "cop" roleblocked, we will not be able to count on any outside help. The only people who know anything are the mafia. The rest is pure speculation. Unfortunately we don't get anywhere without speculation and discussion. If Kohbee is lying and he's the scum, we still have a cop out there somewhere. Gonna have to take a look through the thread and his filter and try to make a read on him. | ||
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" On April 03 2012 22:52 strongandbig wrote: Could someone give me the case against therapist? So far it seems to me like the case is that he went after Kohbee for going after hiropro, which makes him suspicious because hiropro might be his mafia teammate. I can see that being a legitimate argument, but I'm not persuaded by it; as I said above, the scum explanation for kohbee's early vote is just as strong as the town explanation in my opinion, and I could also just be the fact that therapist jumped to that conclusion. As therapist flipped townie, I couldn't see why you would cast doubt on his vote when it was a convenient bandwagon. At the moment, I have two possible scum reads, one expected, one perhaps not - but I'd like to start with Kohbee, the expected. Some of his opening flippant comments. To Therapist: "you were my 2nd scum team member. Thanks for confirming to me." "I don't talk to scum" I find his whole obsession with therapist rather odd. He seemed quite convinced early on for no reason. He also lashed out at strongandbig because he voted for him (so my notes are telling me, hope I'm right). The blue claim was also just... ugh. Bad town play, or scum play. I also really don't like the following On April 02 2012 05:53 Kohbee wrote: There is no reason to post this. It will provide a kill list to scum. I would rather post this at the end of night deadline. Why do you want to know this? Provide a kill list to scum? Why does scum need Kohbee's town reads for a kill list?! They know who all the townies are. I really really find this answer scummy. | ||
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On April 04 2012 09:28 HiroPro wrote: The biggest thing against omnom for me is that he seems to not care about actually looking for scum. The quotes are from omnom's posts arguing against FourFace and Kohbee. Should people be posting rudely? No. But posting rudely has nothing to do with being mafia. While not looking for mafia is definiteley a characteristic of scum. While I agree with you, it just feels like Kohbee has done it more. Certainly Kohbee was giving as good as he got in the last one, and Fourface was being a total douche at the time. I will have to go over the filters again, I went over everyone's about 8 or 9 hours ago (whenever i posted on kohbee) but tells may have come up in the meanwhile. My notes say I had a pretty null read on omnom at the time. | ||
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