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There is one problem with the voting system, however, and that is the fact the lynch deadline is very late. I count at least 7 players who likely won't be able to online anywhere near the deadline on weekdays, so they would have to use their PoPs in advance. | ||
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On April 01 2012 16:49 Bill Murray wrote: I can move up to 3 spaces, and when I do, if anyone in the lines I'm moving are scum, I can't move. I moved on a line with VE (he's not scum), and had to go through snarf (he's not scum) The position chart indicates you started next to snarf; can you verify that your power clears him too? This seems like a typical bm day 1 claim so there is little reason to doubt you other than the fact the power seems very strong. | ||
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14.[VisceraEyes][___________] 13.[Snarfs] [Bill Murray] and now 14.[VisceraEyes] [Bill Murray] 13.[Snarfs][___________] Ace updates positions whenever PoP/actions are taken | ||
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On April 02 2012 00:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Syllo you're looking bad. I'm thinking about Popping you bro. What do you think about that? Feel free, and in the process explain as to why you think so and why a "secondary" voting system is bad | ||
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On April 03 2012 03:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Syllo, are you factoring in the capability for a well-manipulated town to be mass-murdered? It seems to me that in circumstances like that, having a higher DT count would help balance against that sort of manipulation. But mafia only has one standard KP, so "confirming" several players at once on day 1 seems ridiculously powerful | ||
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On April 03 2012 04:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Having one "standard" KP in a game like this itself is ridiculously powerful syllo, pull the other one. Even if you are right about the possibility of utilizing the incinerator for "mass-murder", it still can't be used to deal with 5 confirmed townies on day 1. | ||
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On April 03 2012 04:07 VisceraEyes wrote: You're logic is based solely behind what's balanced for the scum team, you realize this right? Your view seems skewed toward considering the option that favors the scum-team. The role isn't unreasonable at all, considering the claims that have already been made. What about risk.nuke, he has the capability to confirm a large amount of people too. So is his power to powerful to exist? Your argument only strengthens mine, unless you think two such roles exist in the game. I'm more inclined to believe risk given that his role was in the previous game and ace's post basically confirms it. | ||
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Rereading cephiro first before I decide on my pull. Sbrubbles hasn't even posted which could be him not wanting to play due to rolling scum, but I really dislike lynching someone based on no information at all, besides the supposed role information. | ||
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On April 03 2012 04:22 Cephiro wrote: Thanks for reminding. Also, I don't like syllo's use of a push action. I suggest someone pushes me up once, then we pull syllo down twice, unless the beacon only works at that instant moment like risk claimed. Uh, why wouldn't it work exactly like he says it does, unless you think he is scum and lying | ||
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##pull Sbrubbles | ||
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On April 03 2012 04:33 Cephiro wrote: ... What the hell syllo, you are looking so scummy to me right now, you just wasted 2 PoP for essentially nothing. You pushed BM which doesn't get us anywhere, and now you pulled sbrubbles, which does not get us anywhere either, unless you are 100% certain that I am town and that risk's ability works only on that certain moment, and you're trying to pull Sbrubbles all the way down? Please clarify to me what you tried to achieve by that pull? Uh yes I'm trying to pull him all the way down, that's the shortest path to killing him and leaves pushes to be used for BM. You are being a bit too thick | ||
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syllo chose to immediately believe risk.nuke's claim, but he didn't consider that Cephiro could be scum. Which is demonstrably false and you know who I would have killed yesterday considering I used both of my actions. Why are you asking superfluous questions? | ||
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On April 03 2012 14:55 wherebugsgo wrote: in addition, you haven't explained why you were against random/free for all PoPing but you were the only one who decided to push BM. Indeed, you didn't even bother convincing anyone to push BM and were generally apathetic all day to town affairs. Why is it that you were against random/free for all PoPing early in the day, but chose to push someone who clearly was not supported by anyone else as a target (BM)? Because I had only little time and no one was actually willing to discuss who they would be willing to push? Only VE answered my inquiries, while the others were just talking about irrelevant things. As I pointed out very early, the "lynch" deadline is about 7+ hours too late for me. | ||
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On April 03 2012 15:01 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm not misinterpreting anything you said. You didn't really consider at all that Cephiro could be scum; you took one thing he said and claimed it made him look town, and based on that one piece of evidence decided that Sbrabbles was the scum. From your perspective I think it would have taken a little bit more work than that to determine which player to pull. Indeed, you didn't justify your pull on Sbrabbles beyond that. It seemed like you didn't think about it very much, which is rather odd since PoPs are final. Are you scum wbg? Why do you attempt to know what thought process went into my decision? Why don't you find it odd that many people used/wasted their PoPs very early and attempt to make it look like me using my own PoPs at pretty much the last possible moment, given my local time, is suspicious? I made the reasonable assumption that risk is indeed the dt role he claims to be, as it's a very risky fake claim to do on day 1, especially with the possibility of the "real one" being out there. That left me with two targets for my pull and out of those sbrabbles was the obvious choice given that some of the things cephiro had posted looked town to me. | ||
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On April 03 2012 15:03 wherebugsgo wrote: you certainly didn't seem to want to put any effort in trying to discuss those subjects. Indeed your justification for BM's roleclaim being weak was refuted by VE himself, if I remember correctly. And no, it wasn't refuted by VE; in fact, I convinced him. It can not be "refuted" by anyone other than Ace and it's quite suspicious that few people are agreeing with me given that the logic behind my skepticism is sound. Now that I think about it, BM said he latched on to VE, so it's possible that he is responsible for getting VE killed. | ||
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Syllo makes his case for some secondary voting mechanism by criticizing that free for all PoP allows both town and scum to waste their PoP. Then he throws away his vote on BM randomly. Free for all posting doesn't mean town doesn't try to reach a consensus and he pushes regardless. Is he trying to make his point about organized secondary voting being better or throwing away his vote as scum? How was the vote on BM "thrown away" and "random? To the contrary, my vote/push was well reasoned and well timed. Perhaps the concept of time zones is foreign to you, even after I pointed it out, or are you being malignantly ignorant? There was no consensus, a significant portion of players had already used their votes and no one was willing to express their willingness to vote wbg/bm when I asked about it. Utter garbage. His whole discussion with BM, questioning both the claim and game balance around it was an especially useless and space consuming discussion. BM's information isn't relevant for now and claim may or may not be true, but itself it wasn't scummish, so I don't see the point in dwelling in that. This is also nonsense. Not all claims are equal and anyone familiar with how games are balanced can deduce whether a role is likely to be present in the game. While BM's claim is no neutral survivor balrog, it is still dubious. Lastly he tries to buddy with you to quickly throw me down. No waiting for me to post? Just "pulling him because he hasn't posted yet"? At least it makes more sense than his BM push, but still, if I was gone for good, there would be reason to expect a replacement, so why rush on me? Again, I can not "wait to post" when there is a more pressing deadline than the actual one; that is to say when I have to go to bed. The real question is why it took this long for you to actually post. Why "rush" on you? Because there is a believable red check which implicates either you or cephireo. | ||
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On April 04 2012 14:01 Cephiro wrote: Nope, that is false. Only since risk.nuke's Cop claim and your reaction to it. And especially now that Sbrubbles is dead, I know for 100% certainty that you are Evil. The only possible way that is not the case is if the Evil Toys have a framer (highly unlikely?), or risk.nuke fakeclaimed (doesn't seem very likely either?). So that leaves me the option of getting you killed. No, that is correct because that is me saying you are a bad, bad toy. | ||
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On April 04 2012 14:05 Cephiro wrote: Just as I knew, the moment I saw the daypost I knew you would just start trying to convince everyone I am scum, because that's all you can do. You're basically out, and now you're just trying to get 1 more townie down before you die, simple as that. Scared of me getting the item, or scared of me going to the lethal area? This is such a stupid post | ||
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On April 04 2012 14:09 Cephiro wrote: You're too predictable syllo. All game long you've been just laughing whenever someone points fingers at you, and telling how bad players that don't push for your scum agenda are. I'm sorry, but you're not going to be able to discredit me with your "He is bad/stupid" -posts, all you're doing is making yourself more confirmed scum in the eyes of others for being so ignorant. You haven't done anything useful for town this game, and people can see that. That's not me discrediting you, the post was painful regardless of your alignment | ||
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On April 05 2012 14:50 Bill Murray wrote: explain for us po' folk If I was scum, I would have used the ability on myself rather than waste it on someone else | ||
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