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On March 22 2012 13:06 GMarshal wrote: I'm extremely tempted to sign up I guess we'll see if there is any room left on Monday. You should! I'm curious to see your play ^^ | ||
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Policy lynch is teh sux | ||
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On March 27 2012 08:27 slOosh wrote: It shouldn't be at all different no? Actually I've been meaning to ask a similar question. Does a closed-setup in general change basic scumhunting principles or do they just allow/favor different styles of play? honestly I am treating this game like a standard Mini Mafia, with the knowledge that there is probably a few doods with nukes or powers revolving around nukes. AKA, re-skinned medics/vigs. and if there's anything I learned from minis, it's that there's always scum hiding in the lurkers. In general I'll always argue against policy lynches (because they're bad) but in a Mini, with so few people town simply cannot afford to have non-contributors whose alignment cannot be determined. People lurking scummily (yeah there's a difference between innocent lurking and scummily lurking) should be axed over someone with only a weak case on them. gonzaw! shouldn't you be spamming the thread by now? | ||
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On March 27 2012 07:17 VisceraEyes wrote: For my part, I'll be keeping my eye on C_C and to a lesser extent BH due to them being among the only names I recognize as players who have played more than like 2 games here. This is one of the first games I've played where the average experience level is so low...so I'm probably not going to be on the offensive as much this game...but I make no guarantees. ayo, I've played like 6 games. most of the people here are over 3 games, don't get all tunnel vision'd worrying about vets b/c it's the less conspicious new scum who will slip by. be on the offensive, I like the feisty VE more than whatever else you'd pull out | ||
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On March 27 2012 12:39 Blazinghand wrote: 1) the idea that the town should take a stance is not good. Individually, we should make our own stances and developed them with the discussion 3) discussion of policy lynches implies they are important. I believe they are important insofar as we use them in an appropriate faction. It seems to me that your statements are unnecessarily aggressive and are hurting the town atmosphere. Your removal will help the town greatly and improve our discourse. In any case, I think this will be appropriate: ##Vote: Sinensis When you wake up I expect some actually helpful posts. Actually, I expect an OMGUS, but ideally you'd make some helpful posts. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FIZjv.gif) come at me bro preface: this aint no chainsaw blzinghand, I feel that you're being the unnecessarily aggressive one here. first you say it's bad that nemesis is using policy as a centerpiece for lynching, then you state it's bad that nemesis says policy lynch discussion isn't important? your arguement doesn't flow. and dude, you misread his original post; he's saying "town should take stance" as in townies should each have their own stance. ur being all flashy and stuff. is this normal BH? + Show Spoiler + where do you get your gifs? | ||
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On March 27 2012 12:43 Sinensis wrote: Also, there's only been one topic. It's topic. Not "topics [sic]." VisceraEyes using quotes. You weren't even part of that conversation. new topic! sinensis do you think blzinghand's vote on nemesis is resonable or not? | ||
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On March 27 2012 13:04 Blazinghand wrote: But the fact of the matter is, he did somehow wake up to respond to my posts. He will doubtlessly claim that he hadn't yet gone to bed... but bear in mind that his series of actions is distinctly something a scum player WOULD do. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/z8LzZ.gif) Blazinghand: I thought you went to sleep. Nemesis: I was just checking thr- Blazinghand: He lied!! Townies never wake back up!! Lynch!!! Jubjubs (chanting): It makes so much sense! | ||
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On March 27 2012 13:26 johnnywup wrote: I don't think you're mafia, blazing, because no mafia would be so stupid to post something so stupid. At least I think. Utterly garbage posting so far. never underestimate the depths to which people will reach. + Show Spoiler + never assume someone is scum or town off of logic like "scum would never do that", you'd be surprised how often that can be wrong well mr. wup u singlepostedly changed my opinion on you. i'm out of suspects now darn | ||
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##vote: Blazinghand Being good at arguing doesn't make you town. At this point you're just wildly voting people. Sowing dat chaos. Way to take the one off statement in his post and ignore the rest. You're voting people off of semantic mistakes as opposed to having any real reasoning, so thread flounders under your boot. As you might say, this kind of thinking hurts town. Scum. | ||
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dude my filter in that game is 1 page. wth LOL. good times ^^ bluelightz no one can talk a look at cccalf because he hasn't posted anything. you're doing that thing when you don't make any sense. hip hip hurrah C_C is doing that thing where I have no idea about his alignment, mostly b/c he hasn't posted much direct opinions or cases on anyone. I hope C_C does that sometime. O_O hey lurkers/semi-newbies who haven't posted yet! feel free to start posting, don't mind the hubbub ^^ what's your opinion on the state of town? answer soon pls!! relevant topics include 1. role of policy lynching, 2. the closed set-up 3. blazinghand vs. all contenders. | ||
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On March 27 2012 11:52 Blazinghand wrote: First off, regarding our discussion of policy lynches: I personally apply a soft "lynch all lurkers" and "lynch all liars" policy to all the games in which I play. My first goal is always to lynch scum. Scum likes to lurk, and scum likes to lie. I am highly suspicious of lurkers and liars, but I will not automatically lynch every lurker and every liar-- this is too easily abused by scum. That being said, I have lynched lurkers and liars in the past and am not afraid to do so in this game. Nobody can convince me to modify my personal stance and I will not do so. Secondarily, regarding setup: This is fairly simple. This is a closed setup with 10 town and 4 scum. Scum can win by either the traditional fashion, or by destroying 5 specific players or the other 5 specific players as an alternative wincon. It is immediately obvious that we should not share our alignment. Anarcy fo life dam, for being non-relevant topics, you DEFINITELY addressed them in your opening case. what should I think Blazinghand? 1.) you talking about them doesn't mean they are relevant. Logical conclusion! 2.) They ARE relevant topics, and you're just wrong. Can't be that! 3.) you actually know that policy/setup is relevant, but you like people railroading to your avenue of discussion, where you have control over a few hapless townie. Cruelty! Z.) I am scum for arguing with you in any shape or form, and you will twist this post to make yourself look right. Most likely response!!! I am encouraging players who have not posted yet to come in and post, and in people's opening posts they often address topics that are RELEVANT to the beginning of a game. Am I REALLY being unhelpful BH? Are you REALLY being more helpful than me, with your subversive aggression? I don't expect a logical response, I expect OMGUS. Other people can comment on this if they wish. You're making utterly no sense. | ||
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On March 27 2012 16:03 Sinensis wrote: So what changed? Or do you not like being in the same voting boat as johnny? You defended him earlier. so i was all like "BH's tunneling on nemesis is not very good, I don't like it". then I saw this and was like j.wup busting out the logic woot, my earlier suspicion on mr. wup was wrong! BH is being wildly scummy! But then BH reacted alright to ma prezzure, so then I re-read the post mr. wup and realized it was actually not good at all and I was a dumdum to think it was good so then I unvoted. AKA Nemesis case bad. J.wup case good. VE you're being awfully chummy with mr. wup. it's one thing to say "don't overract to pressure", or to be generally friendly, but it sounds like ur presuming he's town. you think BH's case is god awful, and more importantly, wrong? | ||
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On March 27 2012 15:44 johnnywup wrote: just because i don't have as many posts doesn't mean I'm scum, blazing. My posts are more thought out. Your posts are yelling at anyone who directs a post at you. I don't find that particularly town-like. ##vote Blazinghand oh also this isn't a good enough reason to vote someone. feels like someone trying to push along a train. BH didn't yell at me despite me openly discrediting him, logic fails. | ||
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On March 27 2012 16:27 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean, respond...but you're getting emotional about it which is not the answer. Yes, he's using bad logic. So was I last game remember? Remember what I flipped? There's still a lot of time in the day. If BH's vote is still on you for the reasons he's giving, I'll gladly lynch his ass with you. Responding emotionally to his pressure only makes you seem more suspicious. I mean, obviously if you're scum I'm helping you right now, but you're using fine logic and I don't want to see you talk your way to a lynch.  i glazed over this part. you didn't presume he's scum. please don't yell at me T_T in other news, blzinghand for prez?? | ||
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C_C (in response to current stuffs) froggynoddy cccalf going to wrap up a post in TL LII then sleep. will check out dem cases tomorrow and make my vote. Dear Hosts, could you grant your poor, destitute players a voting thread? | ||
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An example of [why lynching 'useless townies' is bad] is in Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia VII; just look up the filters of myself, and gumshoe. Gumshoe's early posts are quite terrible, and I openly state that I think he is mafia. However, I soon realized that he is just newbie town (more on this later), and spend a decent amount of time defending him from all sorts of pressure. This became fruitful, because later on gumshoe became a more constructive poster and contributed to a pro-town atmosphere. A lot of people will say things like "i think this guy is scum, and well, if he isn't he's useless townie and should die". This is a POOR mode of thinking; you always want to be fairly confident that someone is scum. My new mantra in Mafia is "Bad does not = scum". Trust me, I fully understand what you are presenting here. However, atm I don't see mr. wup as a useless townie, I see him as someone who is fairly scummy. You'll never see me vote someone for being "useless", but you will see me vote for people I think are scummy. | ||
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I have an excel sheet. Everyone is on a scale of 1-5, town-scum. Everyone starts at 3. After the first few pages, I put you at a 4. After your post on BH, I put you to a 3. After the last 2 pages, I put you back to 4. In thread it looks like a 180 I spose, but I put people's alignments on a sliding scale. oh and if it offends you that I'm calling you mr. wup, I'll stop. | ||
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On March 27 2012 21:55 Bluelightz wrote: IMO, froggy dont be a new Jackal58 XD, what does "being a new Jackal" mean in context of froggy's posting? oh and ur doing that thing where u call everyone townie. would be more helpful if you focused on your scum reads tyvm ^^ response to ppls about my posting: On March 27 2012 22:32 gonzaw wrote: @Echelon: What's with your weird wording? Saying things like "hip hip hurrah!" or "you are crAAAzy" and that weird attitude of yours? I don't remember you ever playing like that, seems you may be trolling or something. 1. after I tanked hard in my last town game trying to play "serious aggresive asshole town leader", i'm looking for a new, hopefully less fail-whale town playstyle and you guys are the lucky testing grounds. problem? I'm being way more clear with my "weird wording" than you and you big posts. On March 27 2012 23:34 MrZentor wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 27 2012 23:00 Bluelightz wrote: Zentor, since your here, What is your read on EchelonTee? *cough* you're *cough* EchelonTee seems to be behaving rather erratically. He starts by being helpful and explaining how he would treat the game. On March 27 2012 10:14 EchelonTee wrote: honestly I am treating this game like a standard Mini Mafia, with the knowledge that there is probably a few doods with nukes or powers revolving around nukes. AKA, re-skinned medics/vigs. and if there's anything I learned from minis, it's that there's always scum hiding in the lurkers. In general I'll always argue against policy lynches (because they're bad) but in a Mini, with so few people town simply cannot afford to have non-contributors whose alignment cannot be determined. People lurking scummily (yeah there's a difference between innocent lurking and scummily lurking) should be axed over someone with only a weak case on them. gonzaw! shouldn't you be spamming the thread by now? He continues his good townie streak by questioning BH's play with reasons. On March 27 2012 12:59 EchelonTee wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 27 2012 12:39 Blazinghand wrote: 1) the idea that the town should take a stance is not good. Individually, we should make our own stances and developed them with the discussion 3) discussion of policy lynches implies they are important. I believe they are important insofar as we use them in an appropriate faction. It seems to me that your statements are unnecessarily aggressive and are hurting the town atmosphere. Your removal will help the town greatly and improve our discourse. In any case, I think this will be appropriate: ##Vote: Sinensis When you wake up I expect some actually helpful posts. Actually, I expect an OMGUS, but ideally you'd make some helpful posts. come at me bro preface: this aint no chainsaw blzinghand, I feel that you're being the unnecessarily aggressive one here. first you say it's bad that nemesis is using policy as a centerpiece for lynching, then you state it's bad that nemesis says policy lynch discussion isn't important? your arguement doesn't flow. and dude, you misread his original post; he's saying "town should take stance" as in townies should each have their own stance. ur being all flashy and stuff. is this normal BH? + Show Spoiler + where do you get your gifs? He then starts to go crazy. On March 27 2012 13:15 EchelonTee wrote: blzinghand i think you talking craAAAzzzy, and not the crazy I like. I mean just look at this nonsensical post + Show Spoiler + Blazinghand: I thought you went to sleep. Nemesis: I was just checking thr- Blazinghand: He lied!! Townies never wake back up!! Lynch!!! Jubjubs (chanting): It makes so much sense! He then transitions from crazy back to normal good townie in this post. On March 27 2012 14:09 EchelonTee wrote: TAKE ON SOMEONE YOUR OWN SIZE BUB ##vote: Blazinghand Being good at arguing doesn't make you town. At this point you're just wildly voting people. Sowing dat chaos. Way to take the one off statement in his post and ignore the rest. You're voting people off of semantic mistakes as opposed to having any real reasoning, so thread flounders under your boot. As you might say, this kind of thinking hurts town. Scum. He does this a few times throughout his posts. To be honest, I can't decide if this is town or mafia behavior. He could be a town who is mixing BH's and VE's styles. He could be scum trying to make it seem like he is helping town while sowing chaos. I'll let somebody else decide. :/ 2. uhhh you didn't really comment anything about me at all lol. all you did was list a bunch of my posts, noting that one of them was more crAAAzy than the others. however the content of that post is part of an ongoing line of thought on BH. just b/c i posted a gif doesn't make my arguements erratic. It's also really suspect that you say "I'll let somebody else decide". TAKE A STANCE, BE A MAN On March 27 2012 23:41 zelblade wrote: On a more serious note I do agree with the rest of your post. ET is acting off to me, and I dont really like this new posting style of his. Whilst it seems different from a couple of his scum games I have read, this playstyle of his doesnt exactly mirror his town play either. I also dont like him voting blazinghand, unvoting after johnny joins his wagon, only explaining why after he gets called out like a few hours later. Would a "sorry guys I reread and dont feel blzinghand is scum anymore..." Ill be keeping a eye on him for sure. 3. so essentially you're saying that my play this game is different from my scum play and my town play. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/35/CaptainObvious.jpg) if my posting starts sowing chaos or makes me sound unclear go ahead and call me out brudder, but at the moment your logic don't make sense. | ||
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On March 28 2012 07:49 johnnywup wrote: I personally don't see anything wrong with C_C's posting. However I think that EchelonTree is super suspicious. Sides with me until the moment I vote. Admittedly the argument that BH posted to change his mind was a strong one. But what makes me wonder if ET is scum is... First of all, my argument was strong at the time. He was acting scummy, in my opinion. But he defended himself well. So my argument fell apart. Which is fine. no your arguement wasn't strong. this post didn't make any sense. i could detail to you exactly why it doesn't, but you're going to have to do some thinking sometime. On March 28 2012 07:49 johnnywup wrote: But the thing is, previously you said which ties into you saying I'm more scummy because BH defended himself well and my argument fell apart. what? you didn't actually state anything by bringing up this quote. in this post, and in your atk on BH, you draw several quotes but don't actually use them to prove anything. my english professor would fail you. On March 28 2012 07:49 johnnywup wrote: You made the same argument as me, that BH's posts were nonsensical. But after "rereading my posts after finding BHs argument to be strong" you found my argument was weak. This doesn't make me scummy, unless it makes you scummy as well, since you had the same opinion. Admittedly, BH's argument was pretty good and I don't fault you for unvoting. Arguments fall apart. Mine did. So why does that make me scum? Why so hypocritical? ##vote: EchelonTee once again, you take one of my quotes and completely ignore what i said. you still haven't provided a single actual reason why i'm "super suspicious". whatever. I had the same STANCE as you (blazinghand a scummy fck) but my ARGUMENT was constructed definitely. as in it made sense while yours, upon further investigation, feels fabricated and false. don't link myself and you; you're scummy not because of your bad arguement. it's because your reasoning for voting BH is fake. just look at this. does anyone srsly think this is a good reason to vote someone? it reminds me of when TKHawkins tried to bandwagon me in surprisingly normal VII. Get your vote off me, you're not starting a wagon on me today. VE, the fact that you think mr.wup is onto something here makes me very worried about your sanity. looking over current cases now. off hand i'm between gonzaw and C_C. don't like froggy/mr. wup either but they're not for today's lynch | ||
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I'm on board with C_C lynch; he's had ample time to respond to stuff and he has never rly adequately addressed this wombo combo post, which I largely agree with. ##Vote: Cyber_Cheese Other than that, cccalf is the only who was not voting besides me. that's no good brody, whether inentionally or nonintentionally that level of super lurking is rly scummy. Don't like gonzaw. VE dyou actually think I'm scum or are you just being teh jokr? you and BH are flopping all over the palce on your opinions. sometimes I'm scum, sometimes you guys fling mud at each other, sometimes you guys are CT buddies (CS image). And I just noticed that when you voted for me here you spelled my name wrong. so.... wat? | ||
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just in case ##Vote Cyber_Cheese I'll be back right before deadline most likely. | ||
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On March 28 2012 13:07 gonzaw wrote: So you are jumping on this bandwagon as well, huh? What do you mean by the bolded part then? You think I'm scum? Why not say it outright if you do? If so, what else makes you think I'm scum? You never mentioned me other than saying you wanted my lynch as well. That comment was a jab at your overall playing style; i've already said that i don't like your super large posts but that's irrelevant to alignment. do i think you're a scummy scum from scumville? no. do I think you're suspicious? yep, mostly for your tone and the subjects you are choosing to talk about. am I going to put up a case on you right now? nope. I don't like your case on blue, b/c as a bunch of ppl have said, he's not acting like he did in Aperture perse and that's the basis of your argument. him writing "one liners" and looking "confused" isn't convincing enough, and I feel that you were just trying to push forward a new wagon on a player that lots of people criticize. | ||
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and he did softclaim his nationality.... ugh + Show Spoiler + nice flavor night post Hesmyrr! | ||
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On March 29 2012 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote: No, there's nothing. He wanted me dead (obv) JW and gonzaw. He wasn't helpful and he was trolling the fuck out of town. I don't regret killing him. I just wish he'd been more helpful. what happened to that poetic "no townie is useless" thingamabob? i thought killing "unhelpful" townies was bad or something? | ||
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1. don't call people town they'll die 2. don't out yourself as a blue you'll die 3. if you think you'll die post your scum reads before deadline. preferrably right before | ||
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1 2 3 4+5 night time is a good time to review what happened the previous day; don't let actions/statements of the past be pushed under the rug sloosh where u @? i need more ppl i recognize T_T oh and blzinghand i think you've referred to "VE" as "ET" a few times. together we make "VET" but i dont think that's what ur goin for | ||
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On March 27 2012 16:32 Blazinghand wrote: ET: I'll examine C_C after I finish writing up and posting the case. Thanks for bringing that to our attention. VE mentioned C_C that time On March 28 2012 10:13 Blazinghand wrote: Good evening gents! I'm currently putting together a 4-course meal today. On the prix fixe menu today: Amuse Bouche cccalf Entree JW Plats Principaux ET CC Desserts Voting someone might've been me that time but u never posted anything about me after that, unless i missed it | ||
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On March 29 2012 13:52 Blazinghand wrote: Any analysis will be posted minutes before daybreak. +1 | ||
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On March 29 2012 13:26 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm taking a look at the C_C wagon. At the very least 2 and probably more scum are on the wagon. I have a sneaking suspicion that there is definitely 3 scum on the wagon. wait lemme do the math .... yeah there's at least 3 scum on the wagon. | ||
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On March 29 2012 13:54 Blazinghand wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On March 29 2012 13:50 EchelonTee wrote: VE mentioned C_C that time might've been me that time but u never posted anything about me after that, unless i missed it In the former, I wasn't making a case on you. In the latter, I was considering analyzing your posting, but did not. You'll note I didn't post anything about VE in the latter case either until he went mad with power. ah ic. i wasn't accusing you of anything fyi, just wondering if you were mixing up our abbreviations. | ||
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On March 29 2012 12:08 EchelonTee wrote: posts that require attention for one reason or another: 1 2 3 4+5 #1: cyber saying something about sinensis. the case has potential, but last time I played with him his town was similar to this. it's like nisani 2.0 #2: this post from froggy is so fn weird; as pointed out by mr. blzinghand, froggy spends 23592u35098 years talking about VE's faults but then just votes for cyber. takes away his responsibility for voting C_C. #3: jwup randomly goes scared and says "plz dont lynch me im badddddd". there were ppl accusing him myself included but the tone of this sounds rly desparate #4: VE implies "ppl who respond are scummy" #5: "jwup didn't respond, i think he's town". see #3. VE logic in action. I'd like VE or jwup dead tomorrow | ||
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THE FACK AHHHHHHHHHHHHH | ||
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![[image loading]](http://holeleesheet.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/wtf.gif?w=535) i was so sure of a VE+jwup scum partnership.... WIFOM mode engage: killing VE is the last thing a scum jwup would want to do; ve was one of his only supporters. mr. wup going on the backburner personally | ||
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On March 30 2012 08:14 Nemesis wrote: Also your play here is quite different: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=321496&user=45996 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306452&user=45996 In those other games, you are generally more helpful. You were trying to promote discussion, and doing some scumhunting of yourself. But this time you are literally just bandwagoning with easy votes. First of all, A Game of Thrones is still going on; don't use that at evidence, it's against the rules blah blah I disagree that sinensis's play is "quite different" in normal mini mafia I. The only difference I see is that when people are now accusing sinensis, he doesn't fly into a relentless rage; that's the experience that sinensis has gained. If you look at his filter this game, he commented on a lot of different topics throughout the day and put a stance down. did he make big fat posts? nope. sinensis just works off a different diet, and it doesn't sound poisonoues to me. Ex: there's a difference between there's these two posts: On March 28 2012 11:51 Sinensis wrote: Back from work. So you just alignment claimed soviet for the second time? You are also grouping people based on Nationality. Only one class benefits from grouping based on Nationality, so indeed, gg Nazi. ##vote: Cyber_Cheese says why he wants to vote and does it decisively. On March 28 2012 23:18 MrZentor wrote: ##Vote Cyber_Cheese I'm voting for reasons I explained very early in the thread. references earlier, very intangible reasons. makes it look like he put forth a decent case on C_C when he never rly did. both are short votes, but you have to read into tone. Sinensis has been decently forthright | ||
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Correct me if I'm wrong: MrZ mentions C_C only 3 times. what does he say? On March 27 2012 22:49 MrZentor wrote: C_C looks a little suspicious because of his first post, but I feel that people are reading too far into that. On March 28 2012 00:31 MrZentor wrote: I think it would be better to lynch C_C for now. On March 28 2012 01:37 MrZentor wrote: I want to hear what C_C has to say about him posting posting the flag. then he votes yayyyyyyyy!!!!!! ....yeah that's not fishy at all. it's not like MrZ jumped on teh bandwagon with the loosest facest case known to mankind Other stuff that MrZ has done: Call my posting weird but make no comment on it: click Make gigantic contentless posts that make his filter look big, but they're even more sparse than gonzaw's posts: what the What happens if you compare C3 and MrZ? While MrZ has posted more and you might be fooled that the dude has been contributing, let's take a look. 1. voted C_C with little to 0 reason 2. make no concrete stances on anything 3. don't respond to accusations except MrZ uses a few more posts to lurk. This, ma friends, is what we call active lurking. as in lurking to hide, hide from the lynch, the lynch that'll take down scum this cycle! | ||
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##Vote MrZentor bh's case hinges on sinensis's vote for C_C being unsupported, and that his response to bh's questioning was scummy. this is a good case for most ppl, but IMO sinensis is similar to nisani; almost always writes 1 liners, terse posts. u have to read into tone more, and i feel thus far sinensis has been honest. MrZ's vote was also unsupported, response to questioning was also scummy, but he's been very non-transparent and hasn't been active within town as much as Sinensis. | ||
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AKA i'm not going to post a list of reads, sloosh. | ||
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On March 30 2012 14:37 slOosh wrote: Who is nisani and why does he matter? BH's case hinges on sinensis' vote not being unsupported but being supported with very questionable structures. are u actively trying to not read my post? I said who nisani is; posts 1 liners. thus it's easy to pin players like that as scummy b/c they look like they're lurking and being evasive, but u have to look at the big picture. being "unspported" or "supported with very questionable strcutres" is stupid, stupid semantics as usual. Either way, it's a VOTE that one way or another LACKS ADEQUATE SUPPORT. is there any reason you lurked all D1? i almost forgot you were playing, which is fcking weird for you. | ||
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1. Who of C3, Sinensis, or MrZ you want dead? 2. Why? (this one is important) 3. go back and do #2 because you didn't do it yet | ||
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sloosh, nemesis, would you be willing to lynch cccalf? people are saying "let someone vig him", which implies there is a consensus that he is scum, but the only person attempting a push is Bluelightz. and what if there isn't a vig T_T | ||
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Some people think cccalf is merely "useless town". others think that he should "definitely die" soon. others think that he is scummy (me, at the least). no one thinks that he is a hapless townie. Comparatively, I think sinensis is a hapless townie. cccalf would be an easy bandwagon kill, for scum. there is a consensus that he should "die" for some reason, and it wouldn't be hard to start a push. yet there's some strange resistance against just killing him outright. There is nearly zero reason to think cccalf is town. any reason you don't want cccalf axed, MrZ? | ||
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![[image loading]](http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm0fowt5wK1qdlkgg.gif) you'll have your due time gonzee; i've got my plate full with current lynch candidates. @MrZentor post your case on gonzaw, don't do something stupid | ||
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What I'm trying to say is this: the most pro-town thing to do is argue for who you believe is the most likely to be scum, as this early in the game any compromise is likely to backfire and you end up lynching townie when if you'd had stuck to your guns and argued your case then town would have had a better town lynching scum. is one of the most sensible tidbits posted this game. high 5 | ||
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On March 31 2012 12:55 johnnywup wrote: if you dont vote with town you will die. you have more leaning room with me if i feel you're helping the town. voting for ccc isnt helping town. its a waste of vote since he's not doing anything, even if he is scum this post is really really bad lol | ||
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On March 31 2012 14:22 johnnywup wrote: Seriously think about who you're voting for. If you aren't almost certain that the person you're voting for is scum, then don't vote for them. This is literally the last chance we have for winning, so really really think about what you're doing. If we mislynch we lose, and that's that. this is untrue. are you unaware that this is untrue? | ||
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On March 31 2012 13:14 johnnywup wrote: i almost hope ccc doesn't post today so he gets modkilled lol ;; another reason why i think voting ccc would be bad since he might be modkilled anyways this is what I thought in my last game; we were like "Oh TKHawkins is going to be modkilled, no big, he's the scummiest player but we'll let him be offed". Instead he gets replaced, we mislynch someone else and lose the game. Don't depend on modkills. | ||
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and u never answered for your D1 actions. that was before your "switch" or w.e so you can't say that you were acting before. essentially you want town to believe that you acted wildly scummy for two days, yet SOMEHOW u are not scum, as shown by your big fat non-useful post. just... what??? Just because you can write a big post doesn't mean you're analysis is either 1. right 2. from a town player meh I thought you were going to bust out a decent case on someone or even roleclaim, but this is just really really incoherant. I really really reallllllly don't want either MrZ or cccalf alive at LYLO, so scummy it hurts. | ||
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On April 01 2012 06:32 johnnywup wrote: if he last minute votes theres no question he's scum. +1 I also find it funny that MrZ's breadcrumb is "pretending to be scum lololol", instead of "I'm the doctor" -.- probably came up with the fake claim last minute, or when I mentioned I was "expecting a roleclaim". | ||
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not this crap again....... D3 mylo | ||
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On April 01 2012 15:56 zelblade wrote: I agree with sloosh that DYH is probably town. On April 01 2012 15:45 slOosh wrote: p.s. DYH probably townie seeing how D2 unfolded. If cccalf was mafia I'd expect more effort rallying people around MrZentor early in the day when we were discussing possible candidates. Rather, it is quite the opposite with people (of whom Sinensis is included) who suggested and prodded cccalf into the spotlight as an alternative candidate. There is absolutely no reason to think DYH is townie; what sloosh is saying is pure WIFOM; you realize that you rallied people around MrZentor, which corroborates your idea that if cccalf is mafia, they would want to push towards MrZ? What if you're Mafia, mr sloosh? now we're in a situation where we have absolutely no information on cccalf and he is going to be alive in LYLO for the rest of the game. joy. | ||
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On April 02 2012 04:00 slOosh wrote: And since I'm busting these things out might as well post my 3rd. This one I'd be especially wary of - EchelonTee This is a combination of some underhanded accusations here and there, general lack of scumhunting and interactions with Bluelightz and Sinensis. + Show Spoiler [Soft accusations  +On March 28 2012 06:31 EchelonTee wrote: response to ppls about my posting: 1. after I tanked hard in my last town game trying to play "serious aggresive asshole town leader", i'm looking for a new, hopefully less fail-whale town playstyle and you guys are the lucky testing grounds. problem? I'm being way more clear with my "weird wording" than you and you big posts. 2. uhhh you didn't really comment anything about me at all lol. all you did was list a bunch of my posts, noting that one of them was more crAAAzy than the others. however the content of that post is part of an ongoing line of thought on BH. just b/c i posted a gif doesn't make my arguements erratic. It's also really suspect that you say "I'll let somebody else decide". TAKE A STANCE, BE A MAN 3. so essentially you're saying that my play this game is different from my scum play and my town play. + Show Spoiler + if my posting starts sowing chaos or makes me sound unclear go ahead and call me out brudder, but at the moment your logic don't make sense. On March 30 2012 14:45 EchelonTee wrote: are u actively trying to not read my post? I said who nisani is; posts 1 liners. thus it's easy to pin players like that as scummy b/c they look like they're lurking and being evasive, but u have to look at the big picture. being "unspported" or "supported with very questionable strcutres" is stupid, stupid semantics as usual. Either way, it's a VOTE that one way or another LACKS ADEQUATE SUPPORT. is there any reason you lurked all D1? i almost forgot you were playing, which is fcking weird for you. He has not followed up on any of these - he is willing to call it (or subtly suggest) that it is bad play, but he never once concludes that it could be a scumtell. Just bad play. No follow up. Just really soft pressure. + Show Spoiler [Unwilling to scumhunt] + There are several times that ET does not wish to discuss certain topics or reads for nonsense ideals such as "keeping the thread clean" On March 29 2012 07:24 EchelonTee wrote: ET's mini guide to the nighttime: 1. don't call people town they'll die 2. don't out yourself as a blue you'll die 3. if you think you'll die post your scum reads before deadline. preferrably right before What does this ultimately suggest we do? No discussion at night. Don't try clearing anyone's name, because mafia will shoot them. Lets only talk about how scummy people are. He is promoting a scum-agenda - a night full of only accusations is ideal for sowing distrust and chaos. On March 30 2012 14:38 EchelonTee wrote: they're not on deck to be lynched; i'm not in mood for a cluttered thread. we already have C3, Sinensis, and MrZ as potentials and the fact that i want to talk about them over gonzaw and bluelightz should clue you in to who i think is most scummy at this point. AKA i'm not going to post a list of reads, sloosh. Why does he not want to give out reads on gonzaw and bluelightz? He has already commented that he thinks gonzaw is scummy, but he doesn't want us to talk about him as a candidate? Isn't it convenient that he doesn't have to comment on bluelightz here either, for an invisible "lets keep thread clean" ideal? It was only 7 hours into the day and suddenly asking for his reads will lead to a messy thread? He thinks gonzaw is scum, but won't give his read on him - a fake cover up so he doesn't have to out bluelightz. On March 30 2012 07:03 EchelonTee wrote: WHAT THE FACK AHHHHHHHHHHHHH On March 30 2012 08:00 EchelonTee wrote: my reaction to day post+ Show Spoiler + i was so sure of a VE+jwup scum partnership.... WIFOM mode engage: killing VE is the last thing a scum jwup would want to do; ve was one of his only supporters. mr. wup going on the backburner personally In an 1 hr time span he finds a picture and then decides the best thing to do is WIFOM. This speaks for itself. I'd also recommend pulling up his filter along side Sinensis' and Bluelightz' to see how many times they soft defend each other, and that their "interactions" are very friendly and safe questions / fake (as is the "fight" between Sinensis and Bluelightz where they comment on each other's lurking but never do anything with that). Your first cluster doesn't prove any scumminess at all: there is absolutely nothing with pointing out people's logic is bad. If you actually read what I bolded, you can tell that in that cluster the only person I call suspicious is MrZentor, which is where I put my vote. I call gonzaw "unclear". I don't need to follow that up, he's not my number 1 scumread. I call zelblade's logic "nonsensical". I don't need to follow that up, I was just defending myself. I say that it's weird you lurked all D1. I'm going to follow that up. I say that mr wup's post is bad. It's not a scumtell to post something dumb, I don't need to follow that up. So... yeah. Me talking to other is scummy? damn maybe i should just lurk into oblivion like our friend cccalf. Your second cluster is simply wrong. If you truly believe that giving out reads like candy is pro-town, then you are either unintentially or intentionally forgetting that game that we lost as town. Remember all those idiots posting at night "Oh I think Alderan is town!!! derpa derp". And meanwhile, I and a few other called Janaan "obvious townie" and he gets shot. It is BAD TOWN PLAY to reveal your reads until RIGHT BEFORE THE DEADLINE becuase otherwise SCUM CAN ACT ON IT!!!! It's absurd for you to say that I've been unwilling to scumhunt when your D1 contributions were nil and your D2 contributions were to tunnel MrZ. You aren't dumb, I think you're being willful in ignoring this. When discussing a lynch, the right thing to do is to focus on a handful of candidates. Want to hear my opinion of gonzaw? The fact that he writes really big posts every time means it is hard to dissect his reads. The fact that other people have acted wildly anti-town (sinensis/MrZ sigh...) means that he gets a free pass to look townie if he writes look townie for no good reason. He has also been pushing, in my opinion, townies all game. But is this hard evidence? Nope! am I willing to bet losing this game? Nope!!!! So I push people who I see as more scummy. You calling me suspicious for playing optimally isn't you being dumb; you're smarter than this. 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Sloosh I'm not the only one that noticed that sloosh didn't push anyone or build any cases D1 right? And he only pushed MrZ after he had already been brought up. META TIME OH NO. slOosh is one of the loudest seminewbies I know and he's very very active as both blue and green. What he's done is scum 101: 1. lurk D1 while town leaders scream at each other. 2. power a lynch through D2, somehow avoid any fallout. don't got time to flesh this out, but can SOMEONE look at the filter of the dude who pushed MrZ over? When people flip don't just ignore the traindrivers. cccalf/DYH the fact that people keep on shying away from him, and now even think he's townie??? absurd. Should've been shot N1 and now we're trapped with him til endgame. he's been scummily lurking. there's no other way to put it froggy has been contentless for most of game, doesn't have the same active tone as other people. gtg bye | ||
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Flipped DT wanted Sinensis dead; this could be the lead we need. someone should read through sloosh's filter and see if there's any indication on who he checked N1. I have a concert tonight, I'll reread the cases on Sinensis tonight. | ||
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On April 02 2012 07:56 froggynoddy wrote: Its possible, especially considering the NUKE on BH. Absolutely useless to discuss now. unless scum has a Day DT (extremely rare), the nuke on BH was a lucky guess. tho ur right that it is useless to discuss | ||
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I've read the Sinensis's cases, of which Nemesis has posted the most about, catalogued here. The reasons why I didn't agree with the main aspects of the cases, which are 1. bad reasoning for voting C_C and DYH/cccalf 2. unwilling to take a stance / scumhunt is because #1 applies to almost everyone in the game, and while #2 is true in some respects, I still find Sinensis's tone forthright and committal overall, such as in these posts: On March 27 2012 16:03 Sinensis wrote: So what changed? Or do you not like being in the same voting boat as johnny? You defended him earlier. On March 28 2012 12:00 Sinensis wrote: Mafia wins if they kill every citizen of one nationality. Dividing reads by nationality supports that agenda. On March 30 2012 06:58 Sinensis wrote: ##vote: Blazinghand Your case stinks, so does your posting. I already defended why I voted for C_C once. I would try having a conversation with you but I just don't feel like it because of how you've been posting. Voted for making pointless chaos in the thread wherever he can; we're past the beginning of day 1 the time when that would be appropriate is over. Also Nemesis until your "analysis" of my play becomes something other than quoting 3 of the first things I said in the game out of context and saying "Also he seems to have a habit of inflating useless topics," I don't have time for you either. #1: points out my unexplained unvote, assertive. #2: has a slightly legitimate reason for voting C_C #3: makes an early push on BH whereas many players have been generally sheeping. However it's true that he has mostly just been questioning around and not providing reads (#1), his reason for voting C_C is loose (#2), and his push on BH was an badly formed OMGUS (#3). Posts like this: On March 31 2012 13:44 Sinensis wrote: Look. There are 7 votes for zentor. So unless me and/or Bluelightz are scum, which for the sake of this argument we are not, then there are three scum voting for MrZentor right now. Would mafia vote for mafia? On March 31 2012 13:11 Sinensis wrote: Sure. 1st suspicion is cccalf because he does nothing. Then froggy, gonzaw, zentor and zelblade for less provable reasons, mostly just context stuff I picked up here and there. I am aware that is five people and not four. I wanted to give you all of them though. On March 31 2012 12:45 Sinensis wrote: I'm more inclined to go MrZentor's way and just not co operate with you guys, if that means getting lynched so be it. My vote is staying on cccalf. Period. Showcase how Sinensis has been #1: soft defending bluelightz needlessly and using faulty logic #2: has completely, utterly unsupported reads that just list half the players in the game #3: absolute apathy While scum/town can act differently to high pressure and apathy isn't a direct scum tell, the synthesis of all of this means I have to agree with the consensus, that there is no way this is town play. for these reasons +already presented cases: ##Vote: Sinensis I fully acknowledge that I've have been wrong wrong wrong this game; I mean, one of my biggest scum reads, sloosh, flipped DT right in my face. The fact that I am voting Sinensis after he is already hammered makes me look like a scummy fck, I know, but from the looks of things, scum has definitely decided to bus Sinensis so as we continue through the next few LYLO days, everyone is going to need renewed scrutiny on them. Town needs a string of successful lynches from here, so I'll be stepping up my game. I admit that after N1 the game looked grim as fck, but I'm not throwing in the towel now. | ||
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I think I was blinded by VE thinking Blue was town, Blue calling me townie, and seeing telltale signs of BL town play like 1. post lists of town reads 2. push whoever he wants whenever However, derp moves like voting randomly: On March 28 2012 08:17 Bluelightz wrote: What teh hell, every man for himself -_-? Fuck it, ##Unvote ##Vote: EchelonTee being defensive about bad logic (i have never seen BL do this before: On March 31 2012 08:57 Bluelightz wrote: Okay I admit, I made many contradictions >_> have buddied VE on d1, on the vote switch I didn't understand that >.<, but, have I done anything to help town? I shared my reads, tried to start discussion, have added to discussion, etc I believe C3 has a better chance of flipping scum therefore I will keep my vote on him. and he hasn't posted a list in ages, aka hasn't displayed his opinions on players in a while, which is both generally scummy and definitely unusual for BL. I was perturbed by people directing vig shots at BL when a misfire would mean instant loss, I can't blame people for thinking BL is scummy fck; he's on my shortlist. i I find it really weird that in a game flavored after US vs SU, there is no nuking power for town, but eh w.e. | ||
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In a game with a lot of loud, brask town leaders, it's been easy for scum to lay back, and I feel that froggy has been a big example of putting in enough fluffy posts to look townie while not actually contributing or taking hard stances. On March 27 2012 19:37 froggynoddy wrote: Right, lots of content, makes a change from the previous game I was in (still ongoing so I know no discussion). I agree with people's view that discussing the setup is not useful as it detracts from scumhunting. If people want me to explain why I started with the topic here are my reasons: + Show Spoiler +
Had a quick look at Blazinghand's filter as he seems to have initiated the most reactions from people... and that's just it, getting people's reactions can only be good for town. This being said, once you have those reactions you have analyse in a rigorous and systematic way (to prevent chaotic namecalling and mass-hysteria), something I'm not sure Blazinghand has done yet but perhaps at this early stage there is no need to. So onto more contemporary topics: C_C: Until he responds I don't want to feed him any excuses as he needs to respond himself as that nationality slip needs to be addressed as it only hurts town. Gonzaw: @VE I know you weren't asking me in particular but I'd rather add to a new topic of conversation than clog up discussion with old ones. I don't see anything suspicious, neither do I see anything particularly useful to town apart from this: Which I know is a bit of a 'duh, anyone who read the OP and has a brain would realise that' moment, but ensuring that town is clear on how to win (or in this case not lose) can only be pro-town right? His first big post made me suspicious of him; I'm surprised that the only person who ever has been even slightly against froggy was VE. In this post we have 1. being apologetic about something that no one is even accusing for him, sounds guilty for something that no one accused him of (latent scum guilt) 2. talks about BH's reaction grabbing calling it"sorta townie", but uh "sorta not townie if he doesn't analye it", but uh "he can do it later NP". Essentially, talking about the crazy town happenings but not taking any sort of stance it. Contrast this with how mr. wup said "BH ur logic is bad, ur scum", or how Nemesis was like "dude, stop BH ur being a dumbass". Froggy is loathe to confront this issue, essentially. 3. using C_C vote information is weak yah, but in this line, I don't even get what froggy is trying to say. is he saying C_C's flag thing is anti town? pro town? Like his comment on BH, he approaches the big topics of the thread but is listless in doing so. I've already talked about why I don't like this post, talks about problems with VE blah blah blah votes C_C. if you don't think there's anything wrong with this post there's nothing more I can say. In this next post: On March 29 2012 02:18 froggynoddy wrote: [redacted] I think my reasoning is as follows, C_C's flip will, at this point in time give us the most information: 1. he flips scum --> gonzaw's likelihood of being scum increases 2. he flips town --> VE and Blue likelihood of being scum increases One rogue element I'm struggling in dealing with is BH... I will be reading his filter over the next few hours. @everyone: this is my 3rd game, I got shot in my 2nd game N1. My logic therefore might not be up to scratch and am more than willing to listen as to how I may be wrong. I am not a stubborn person if confronted with strong evidence and sound reasoning but OMGUS-ing and general name-calling will make me think you are a dick and I therefore will be less inclined to listen to you. Froggy reveals that he one of the main reasons he wants to lynch C_C is for information; he hardly comments on thinking C_C is scum. The primary reason for a townsman to want to lynch is actually thinkign someone is scum; instead froggy speculatees on how C_C flipping will make this person or that person look scummy, which is illogical and irrelavant to if C_C should be lynched. And that last paragraph seems really weirdly stuck in; out of the blue, he says "my logic might be good guys so correct me". nothing wrong with that, but why does he bring this up out of no where? being randomly apologetic is scummy because he is giving an excuse for bad logic. Overall I don't get why no one has scrutinized froggy. He hasn't presented any original cases and sheeps like hell. Look at his filter and tell me that his actions even compare to the pro-town actions of other people in this game. | ||
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On April 03 2012 10:19 johnnywup wrote: Did VE even think BL was town? oO he put that picture of you two as kitties; I interpreted that as him saying scum are targeting you two as hapless targets, aka cute kittens. and he soft defends BL when he dismisses C_C's case on him: On March 28 2012 03:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Why Bluelightz C_C? That's some defense/case you got there sir. | ||
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gonzaw you go on and on about how I am somehow not allowed to be simultaneously suspicious of you but not willing to bet the game on pushing you. Yet here you are accusing me of bussing x2, yet you have never presented a case on me. Present said case on me sir gonzo, or I would appreciate less virulity. so... no opinion on froggy? | ||
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On April 04 2012 08:10 Probulous wrote: Were there four blues in this game? If so that gives scum a 40% chance of nuke success night 1. Pretty high if you ask me. Yep, and don't forget that by reading the thread and using logic, that chance goes up. Huge credit to gonzaw for suggesting Nuke BH, shoot VE, but don't let it get to your head gonzo :p Remember your first suggestion of the night was "shoot froggy" until I said that we NEEDED BH or VE dead that night or else we'd be fcked. As usual I am terribad at blue sniping. I was right about sloosh, but as probulous points out, that might have simply been luck. Very good planning this game overall; gonzaw I hope you know that I was reading and taking in all that you were writing in scum QT even if I didn't completely respond to all of your things. The coordination between myself/gonzaw/bluelightz was killer; this was definitely one of my favorite scum games to play. My D1 play I was essentially trolling; DYH pointed out that being overly playful was a scumtell, but I think I was able to mask it well enough, esp. with the chaos that ensured over the cycle. I felt bad for shooting VE a bit though since he always dies. VE policy kill N1?? xp Also felt bad for C_C getting lynched. Ur still my original scum bro <3 Also, for some weird reason out of the 7 games I've played, I've been scum 4 out of 6. And I'm 4-0 with scum. It's coming to the point where you guys should just policy lynch me -_- | ||
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To people who thought C_C / sinensis were scum; there are times where reading meta are really helpful in discerning alignment, but you have to be very careful with that depending on the person's playstyle. | ||
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I think something that would've helped town is that instead of there being the 2 weak DTs, have 2 vigs who have to choose the same target for there to be a death. OO something like this: President of the United States - Has power over a nuke, but due to the "Two Man Rule" (2 people needed to confirm a nuke launch), this nuke can only be fired if the "Secretary of Defense" chooses the same target at night. If the "Secretary of Defense" dies, then the President gains free reign over nuking privilages, but if a town-aligned target is killed, the President is impeached (suicide vig mechanic). Secretary of Defense has same role. Wouldn't that be badass??? If town had this, then cccalf might've died N1, or Bluelightz N2. Would've given them a chance. | ||
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On April 04 2012 08:37 johnnywup wrote: you get townies nervous too VE  amen. LOL at your signature jwup >< also I don't get why people call you all sorts of weird nicknames. I called you mr. wup for teh lulz, but gonzaw called you jhonny in QT, and VE called you jdub(???) | ||
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bringing up that meta could've helped I spose, but D1 lynches are always hard to tell. If I was actually townie it would've been pretty hard to defend C_C after the train started chugging along. lmao at gonzaw getting more support from town/obs QT then from his scumbuddies xP love you gonzo | ||
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On April 04 2012 11:43 Sinensis wrote: It's nice being right about cccalf/DoYouHas when no one else was. you kind of lucked out; in multiple games I've played the people intensely lurking were just random townies. | ||
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On April 04 2012 07:20 Hassybaby wrote: I dunno guys....I read Day 1 and i thought town had this game in the bag Then that happened and i was like ._. this is how I like playing my scum... lull the town into a false sense of security, like they're on the path to win the game... ...then rob it out from underneath their feet. ^^ ! | ||
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On April 05 2012 02:32 wherebugsgo wrote: Recently it seems teams are being carried more by individual efforts while mostly everyone else is as good as a bag of bricks. That's how it was in Storm for both teams, and that's how it was in the mini I hosted as well. For both sides of a team-based game it's a losing proposition to give up or stop trying. On the contrary, I'd say this game scum team had a pretty good combined effort to win this game. Gonzaw did a lot of the heavy lifting, most definitely, but everyone played their part. Even cccalf's intense lurking drew people's attention away enough that myself and bluelightz didn't get the necessary scrutiny to push us. oh and big thanks to hosts for hosting!! I'm starting to think that minis are mafia favored. Does anyone think that gonzaw's decision to snipe BH and VE, or the Mafia Team Performance overall warrant nominations in the Mafia 2012 awards? I might be biased since I was on the scum team; was this a crafty game by scum, or just town self-imploding? | ||
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On April 05 2012 07:39 slOosh wrote: Will definitely keep this in mind - I think I just got lazy and scrolled through when I saw a huge post with empty space everywhere >< this is sort of what I was getting at when I kept on saying "gonzaw your big posts are unclear". it's hard to push based on that, but yah | ||
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On April 05 2012 11:30 Probulous wrote: One day there will be an Adam, Gonzaw, Sloosh, ET, Mattchew, Cephiro and Probulous team and it will be glorious. Until that day... ^^ new(ish) blood of TL Mafia! I'd add DYH there I don't think I've ever played with you, Probulous. | ||
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On April 05 2012 12:28 Blazinghand wrote: I only started playing like 3 months ago! Do I count as a noob o wat I didn't know that btw gonzaw.... Inception Mafia.... :p | ||
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