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On March 28 2012 12:32 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 12:27 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 28 2012 12:27 Sinensis wrote:On March 28 2012 12:18 Blazinghand wrote:On March 28 2012 12:12 Sinensis wrote:On March 28 2012 12:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Sinensis either knows something I don't, or literally doesn't understand the way nationality works. Nobody has claimed any nationalities, and nobody will. It's literally impossible to have a read on anyone's nationality at this point. Please sir explain your reasoning? C_C, the "soviet scientist's," posts would have me beg to differ. Assuming CC is indeed town and not scum, I currently do not have a read on whether or not he is US or SU, and nobody who is reasonable does either. I consider myself reasonable and I have a read on his alignment. I think he's a nazi. Based on votes, 5 other people thing he's a nazi. QFFT Right, but you admit you don't know whether anyone is US or SU, and it's GOOD that this is the case. In any case C_C is probably scum, but JW is DEFINITELY scum. That being said, it's not unreasonable that they're both scum. I think JW is a better lynch than C_C for reasons I have outlined in my two analysis posts above.
Not that arguing with you has produced results for anyone else that has tried, but is this the anaysis post you are referring to?
+ Show Spoiler +On March 27 2012 15:34 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 15:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Blaze, it's only pressure if what you're saying is true. You're so blatant about your logic being ridiculous that it's not even intimidating and only serves to make you look suspicious.
Now cut out the dramatics or I'll join the jubjubs and scum in lynching you...even if you're town. I daresay my logic is largely non-ridiculous. It may appear ridiculous to you, but god does not play dice with the universe. Humor me a moment, and let me seduce you with my lascivious arguments. A) Johnnywup's initial "pressure" on me was actually rather half-assed and non-comittal. I found his statement that "scum wouldn't play this bad" (or equivalent) to be an anti-town statement. B) I call him out in a typically aggressive fashion. He responds in this way: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686¤tpage=9#171Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 14:07 johnnywup wrote:i'm absolutely flattered <3 On March 27 2012 14:03 Blazinghand wrote:
bad logic, anti-town to be bad logic. This kind of thinking hurts town. If you plan on using this sort of reasoning going forwards, you are either scum or worthless town.
irony? and hows it anti-town to have bad logic? it just means you're unhelpful, that doesn't mean you're anti-town.. And my logic is perfectly sound thank you. One thing that really sets me off about you is your willingness to shift your vote to me after any pressure at all. You didn't have a case on Nemesis and you don't have a case on me. This is generally a bad post. I really don't like this particular section: Show nested quote +
and hows it anti-town to have bad logic? it just means you're unhelpful, that doesn't mean you're anti-town.
I think any marginally experienced player, or even someone who sits down and thinks about how mafia works should realize that bad logic being posted in the thread DOES hurt the town. as a town player, you want to avoid doing this. As a scum player, you are happy when you see this. bad logic hurts the town. it is anti town, then.And other than these two posts, he has had a generally underwhelming filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686&user=99700"But, blazinghand, most of JW's stuff wasn't even there during your initial accusation! what was the deal there?" Admittedly, my first post in which I voted him was grasping slightly at straws. this town is silent and there was basically no analysis happening. I needed to get things rolling. His utterly catastrophic responses to me after voting him have made me realize that this guy is scum, and deserves to be lynched. Anybody who examines his filter can look and see that there is something amiss. this is now how a town player would play. I stand by my vote, for new reasons that are stronger than the ones for which it was initially made. The evidence is there. all you need to do is open your eyes.
I redded the part I need to comment on, not because I am speculating you are Soviet but just because there is a lot of other formatting in this post. Your argument against johnny is that bad logic hurts the town and he said otherwise. You say bad logic hurts the town and is thus anti town again in this post.
On March 27 2012 14:03 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 13:26 johnnywup wrote:
I don't think you're mafia, blazing, because no mafia would be so stupid to post something so stupid. At least I think. Utterly garbage posting so far. bad logic, anti-town to be bad logic. This kind of thinking hurts town. If you plan on using this sort of reasoning going forwards, you are either scum or worthless town. ##unvote##vote: johnnywupI'd say "come at me bro" but your argumentation skills are so benign I feel like any "pressure" you put on me will only serve to exonerate me.
There's two examples of your belief that "bad logic hurts the town and is thus anti town."
Well maybe you could comment on some of your own bad logic. Or do you need me to go back and quote just about every post you made in the beginning to remind you? My point is the case you are using against johnnywup works better on you than it does him, and that if "bad logic" is the criteria you are going to use to place your vote, maybe you ought to vote yourself.
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Does any one else agree with Blazinghand that VE is using terrorist tactics to try and silence legitimate voices in the town in order to cement his leadership? Agreeing implies that VE has a Nazi agenda.
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On March 28 2012 14:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
No, scum are trying to mislynch you Blue. No biggie, it happens ^^
Every game I have played with Bluelightz this happens. I would go so far as to say voting for Bluelightz day 1 is a scum tell on TL mafia.
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I don't find froggynoddy to be a priority. Neutral at the moment. He's picking easy targets, but I haven't seen a lot of effort so that seems right.
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Maybe I am being overly simplistic, but I think we should lynch Blazinghand because I do not believe all 4 scum would vote for the same townie when it was certain the townie was dying anyway.
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VE who are you considering voting for today? After the campaign yesterday that is what I am most interested in hearing about today.
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##vote: Blazinghand
Your case stinks, so does your posting. I already defended why I voted for C_C once. I would try having a conversation with you but I just don't feel like it because of how you've been posting. Voted for making pointless chaos in the thread wherever he can; we're past the beginning of day 1 the time when that would be appropriate is over.
Also Nemesis until your "analysis" of my play becomes something other than quoting 3 of the first things I said in the game out of context and saying "Also he seems to have a habit of inflating useless topics," I don't have time for you either.
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OH SNAP WHAT JUST HAPPENED FUCK
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Till he posts again.
##vote: cccalf
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On March 30 2012 07:13 froggynoddy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 07:00 EchelonTee wrote:On March 29 2012 12:08 EchelonTee wrote:posts that require attention for one reason or another: 1 2 3 4+5 #2: this post from froggy is so fn weird; as pointed out by mr. blzinghand, froggy spends 23592u35098 years talking about VE's faults but then just votes for cyber. takes away his responsibility for voting C_C. I was pointing out VE's flawed thinking, that flawed thinking did not necessarily make him scum, as I explain in my response to C_C's (which said the same thing as you just have): Show nested quote +@C_C: Yes I've pointed out VE's faults, but he's contributed a lot to town, more than you, and you haven't answered for your faults that have been listed out comprehensively, and in my eyes are more telling. Also my above reasoning does not necessarily lead to scum play and could just be aggressive/wild town play.
I think you are more likely to flip scum, however VE being scum has more severe consequences. The course I recommend would be to lynch you whilst the rest of us be more active and usefull townies (apart from BH)... therefore mitigating VE's effects on town (which as I explained earlier whether he is town or scum are considerable). And yes I know that's hypocritical coming from the guy with second lowest filtre, but that doesn't make me wrong though. Until Sinensis defends himself better i.e. without OMGUS-ing: ##Vote Sinensis
I never OMGUS-ed. I said I wouldn't respond to Blazinghand because only a fraction of his posts even seemed serious, and I told Nemesis he needed a better case against me if he wanted my time. Nemesis has since tried to make a better case. Why he's going after me for being a "useless townie" when cccalf is still in the game escapes me, but I'll try to defend myself as best I can so we don't wind up in an even worse position than we already are.
Nemesis if you want to push a "kill the useless townie vote" I say we compromise and kill cccalf and see what happens.
On March 30 2012 07:27 Nemesis wrote:Ok fine you want a better case Sinensis. Besides bringing up useless topics, here is your most useful post: Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 14:44 Sinensis wrote:On March 27 2012 14:38 Bluelightz wrote:
Sinensis, what do you think of Blazinghand now with his vote on Johhny? also srsly cool down we're all friends ==".
I think he is being aggressive and unreasonable. Johhny wasn't wrong about anything he said about Blazinghand as far as I'm concerned. I don't think Blazinghand's vote possesses any substance. I think he is just trying to see who goes after him, and to what end they will continue to go after him. As of now I will be watch his vote the closest toward the vote deadline. 1. he gives his opinion on Johnny's and blazinghand's play. But still notice what is missing? He doesn't take a stance on whether he thinks BH or Johnny is town or scum. Also says he will be watching BH towards the end of the day, but even at the end of the day he doesn't give his stance on BH's alignment. Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 14:39 Sinensis wrote:
I don't find froggynoddy to be a priority. Neutral at the moment. He's picking easy targets, but I haven't seen a lot of effort so that seems right. 2. Once again, he doesn't take a stance. Show nested quote +On March 29 2012 13:45 Sinensis wrote:
Maybe I am being overly simplistic, but I think we should lynch Blazinghand because I do not believe all 4 scum would vote for the same townie when it was certain the townie was dying anyway. 3. Tries to push for BH with WIFOM logic. 4. He doesn't take a stance on anyone except for C_C who everyone already thought was suspicious. 5. Conclusion: He is being non-commital with his play, and is just trying to avoid contact with everyone. He is not interested in scumhunting at all.
1. I thought it was implied in that post that I believed Johnny's and Blazinghand's play at that point was HELPING town. Blazinghand was pressuring at a time when little else was going on in the thread, which is good, but his pressure was kind of baseless and could be applied to anyone at that point (which it was). That is why I said johnny was right about what he said about Blazinghand. If it wasn't clear then, sorry, but I did not believe at the time that either was Nazi.
2. That was in response to a question VE asked. I didn't find froggynoddy to be a priority at the time. I have since had other thoughts, which I will get to.
3. This was my way of pointing out that unless all 4 Nazis voted C_C, then Blazinghand was 100% certain to be mafia. Notice how I did not vote him at the time which I would have if I believed at all he was scum. It wasn't until Blazinghand and VE went on their several page back and forth of one liners and insults that I started believing Blazinghand was just trying to sow chaos. So I tried to vote for him at the beginning of day 2, failed, and instead my post happened at the end of the night when Blazinghand was killed.
4/5. Lets have some stances then if that's:
cccalf is probably mafia. If you want to vote for a useless townie, this is the guy to vote for. If you want to vote for someone who's only case has been against the dead "town leader" who flipped blue, cccalf is the one to vote for. If cccalf flips scum, I believe his probable scum team mates are: zelblade, MrZentor, and froggynoddy. These are the only players not to lash out at cccalf for his inactivity.
If you have more specific questions for me, please ask them.
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EBWOP: I consider BH and VE to be the dead town leaders if that wasn't clear.
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Also, Blazinghand was nuked, meaning they knew or at least heavily suspected he was blue. Nukes only work on blues. I don't think mafia would have ever voted Blazinghand under any circumstances since their nuke worked. On the first night they probably tried to nuke VE and failed because he wasn't blue.
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"Bandwagoning with easy votes." Psh. I am voting the most obviously scummy people every time. Just because most of the town agrees someone is acting scummy doesn't mean I am "bandwagoning because it's easy."
You think trying to vote Blazinghand for his stupid, non-contributing arguments with every player in this game would have been the "easy vote?" You have your attention in the wrong places.
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On March 30 2012 08:32 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 10:43 Hesmyrr wrote:2. Mafia have one-shot special kill power, that can only target power role but is guaranteed to kill, called NUKE which can be used at night. NUKE is independent from normal mafia NK so can be used simultaneously. When mafia targets citizen with NUKE it will fail. Subsequent day post will state 'Terrorist attempt on US/SU has been thwarted', revealing nationality of the target (but not the name) and the fact that nuke had been used. Nuke is one-shot, sinensis
Oh, well it still means mafia suspected Blazinghand as a very likely blue. Nevermind what I said before about them trying to nuke VE that doesn't make sense.
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This is frustrating because I'm very confident Nemesis is town too and that this discussion is pointless in sight of what we should be doing.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 30 2012 10:36 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 08:22 Sinensis wrote:"Bandwagoning with easy votes." Psh. I am voting the most obviously scummy people every time. Just because most of the town agrees someone is acting scummy doesn't mean I am "bandwagoning because it's easy." You think trying to vote Blazinghand for his stupid, non-contributing arguments with every player in this game would have been the "easy vote?" You have your attention in the wrong places. I am talking about your vote on cccalf and CC Just because BH was acting stupid doesn't mean he was scum. He also fixed his play in the second half of the day too and actually did some good analysis unlike you. And as Blazinghand pointed out too, your reasoning for your votes are off. Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 11:51 Sinensis wrote:Back from work. On March 28 2012 11:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:I've been using a simple system to keep track of people, and I have the game solved. It's just a matter of waiting it out now. + Show Spoiler [gg] + So you just alignment claimed soviet for the second time? You are also grouping people based on Nationality. Only one class benefits from grouping based on Nationality, so indeed, gg Nazi. ##vote: Cyber_Cheese If he was suspicious of CC for his softclaim, why does he only find it suspicious during the second time he did it? First time he did, Sinensis didn't even mention a word of it. I'll tell you why, because he was trying to make up a reason for joining the bandwagon on CC. Because he is SCUM. His play does not indicate town, his posts are not motivated by hunting scum but with staying out of the spotlight. A VOTE FOR SINENSIS IS A VOTE FOR SCUM.
Okay so I bolded your new reason why I'm scum in the spoiler because I don't want to waste any more thread space on this. I was suspicious of C_C because I believed him to be trying to fish nationalities out of other players by using the flag AND the poorly constructed venn diagram with "me" written in the soviet side. If I thought C_C was soft claiming soviet, why in hell would I vote for him? That would be voting for TOWN. If you go back and read the thread, you can see that fishing for votes and not "soft claiming nationality" was the issue being talked about at the time.
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On March 30 2012 10:45 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 10:38 Bluelightz wrote:
I can see why Sinensis is scummy, he has posted usseless questions, he also has shared his reads, etc, though.
But today, I believe cccalf is the better choice for Lynching. He shared his reads after being called out. You don't call that scumhunting, you call that doing only what's necessary to survive.
You're accusing me of answering questions when they are asked of me?
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On March 30 2012 10:52 Nemesis wrote:What I am saying in there is that you didn't find his first post "fishing for nationalities" suspicious the first time around, but somehow his second post "fishing for nationalities" suddenly became suspicious. Why? Because you didn't find him suspicious at all in the first place. I'll wait what everyone else has to say for now before continuing my campaign. Cmon, where is everybody else? 
Wouldn't presenting your entire campaign on how I'm scum BEFORE people comment make more sense? I guess your campaign could turn out to be stupid and you want to judge initial reactions before you commit to embarrassment?
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On March 30 2012 10:56 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 10:48 Sinensis wrote:On March 30 2012 10:45 Nemesis wrote:On March 30 2012 10:38 Bluelightz wrote:
I can see why Sinensis is scummy, he has posted usseless questions, he also has shared his reads, etc, though.
But today, I believe cccalf is the better choice for Lynching. He shared his reads after being called out. You don't call that scumhunting, you call that doing only what's necessary to survive. You're accusing me of answering questions when they are asked of me? No I'm accusing you of not scumhunting and only sharing your reads when forced to.Anyways, I'm going to let other people respond for now and go to sleep.
OKAY SO I BOLDED YOUR NEW REASON WHY I'M SCUM and maybe a pattern is starting to emerge?
Anyway the bolded part isn't true I have shared every read I have had this game, and I would be scum hunting but the person I am suspicious of hasn't responded yet so in the mean time... there is this.
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On March 30 2012 11:18 MrZentor wrote:
There's the scum.
The only thing to decide is if Nemesis is his scum buddy or retarded.
Probably both.
It isn't Nemesis, I am actually pretty sure about this. It's froggy, he's the one who sheeped me for an irrelevant reason after Nemesis's original vote and case. cccalf, froggy, and gonzaw. I am okay with lynching any of these players today, though I will prefer cccalf unless he posts something.
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