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On March 22 2012 01:57 Oberyn wrote: I definitely agree with this. We shouldn't allow players to pretend to contribute by speculating on a role that has little impact on the events of the first few days. If wherebugsgo wants to coordinate with town to somehow mutually achieve our goals, then that's fine, but otherwise it is best to ignore him. If you want to discuss policy, then why are you just giving a bunch of questions? You should share what your actual opinion is. A no-lynch should be out of the question as this person suggests: We don't accomplish anything and obtain no information if everyone gets a free pass on day one. Lurkers should be pressured to post, but the day one lynch shouldn't only be focused on people without posts since it is also tough to generate information. This is a sketchy post. What does "interesting" mean? Is it scummy? You should draw conclusions rather than tell us that you look forward to reading peoples posts. The thing is, how do you know when wbg is working with town at any point, though. I think it needs to be policy to just ignore him no matter what he does. | ||
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On March 22 2012 04:29 Xatalos wrote: Nicolas and layabout haven't posted anything yet either... Any others who haven't? To me, it seems suspicious to observe for a long time and then make the obligatory post near the deadline. (They might just be offline too, though...) I'm going to say we need to wait a bit more before calling people lurkers. I woke up, posted a bit and then went to class. Some people have jobs and shiz where they wouldn't be able to respond until later today (like 6-8 hours) | ||
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On March 23 2012 05:34 SamuelLJackson wrote: So how was the class? Any further updates? What do the people voting for Oberyn think about that post he just made? EBWOP: Posted before I saw this. Reading through everything now, have to bookmark everyone's filter etc | ||
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On March 22 2012 01:42 gumshoe wrote: Why waste a hit? I find it hard to believe Scum are going to come forward like that and claim Baelish(it seems to crazy for even a player like Caller) so way I see it where is either a vanilla townie way down below in flea bottom dreaming of some day ruling the kingdom with an iron fist, or hes baelish and we waste a hit/reveal third party to scum. Personally I think we should stay clear of trying to lynch Baelish, unless someone claims there him just before we kill him, in which case they fully deserve to die as we had already decided. If we lynch Where it should be because we think hes scum, not Baelish, do you really think Where is scum this early in the game? I think it's pretty clear Gerymist was joking here... On March 22 2012 01:50 gumshoe wrote: Thank you Jackson ( : but keep in mind it is possible(though unlikely considering scums hate for flashy play early on) that Where is scum, we shouldnt just take his word for anything but I agree talking about Baelish is pointless and benefits scum the most. For now we can just ignore Where as if he was just a dumb poster. moving on lets discuss policy(it'll only take a bit and we may as well get it over with early on) do we set a preliminary lynch deadline?(im leaning 8 hours in advance if we do) Do we policy lynch hardcore lurkers?(by hardcore I mean like 3 one liners a cycle, personally for this because lynching lurkers always helps clear the air a bit and they werent helping anyway so nothing really lost) are we going to elect a mayor?( I've never done this before so I dont know how that works) So we shouldn't trust what the game mods are saying? Ok... Useless filler post speculating about mods lying in mod text. Lynching lurkers is always an easy policy to push forwards, pretty useless since anyone lurking is going to have a target on them regardless. On March 22 2012 02:14 gumshoe wrote: Fair enough, the players are pretty good so it's probably not necessary, what do you think of Acrofales? Also do we want to elect a mayor? A mayor? Wth... On March 22 2012 02:41 gumshoe wrote: Wasn't aware, always thought mayors were just achieved through consensus. In regard to Acrofales I'm sure your well aware that my sympathies always go to first time townies who fuck up at the start, but his response was just pure ombus, which was similar to sloosh and ech in suprisingly normal mini mafia, yet the difference was in that game Sloosh and Ech kept fighting blow for blow because they knew they were townies, Acrofales just sort of clammed up. He's not fighting hard enough, which first time newbie townies tend to do way too much. I'm down for voting for him not because of his silly ombus, but because he backed down when pressured. Acrofales + Show Spoiler + As for the rest, I've calmed down a bit Townies don't just calm down when their under pressure. He's either blue(which is unlikely considering his ombus) a total noob green(also unlikely because he just dropped his hostile tone when the pressure came down) or scum(the most probable) Acrofales seeing as your lynch is getting to be pretty likely maybe you should role claim? It could help your case, also why did you vote for Mattchew in the first place? Maybe he's just that new that he could know some mafia games have mayors, but not actually read the OP or day 1 post... My read: noob scum, or noob town. Too hard to tell at this point, so I'm not going to be voting for him. | ||
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On March 22 2012 03:48 Zealos wrote: Ok, I misread Grey's intentions with his post about lynching WBG. I understand the need to question someone who is trying to lynch, but he was only asking for a post from Acro about his constant forwards and back with his opinions. If he wants to prove to be innocent (To the extent that is possible at this point in the game) then he should tell us what he makes of the game thusfar. Sound reasoning imo, beyond the fact that Greymist was CLEARLY JOKING PEOPLE. Anyone who jumped on Greymist for that was looking for an easy bandwagon, and that makes me suspicious. The prove you're not scum shit is horrible, though. On March 22 2012 23:46 Zealos wrote: I think it is good that you have made an argument against someone using substance, however, it is somewhat less poignient given the substance of his latest post. However, you have constructed a more useful post and formed an opinion, so although I am still a little susipcious, as you basically back down from your own argument, I will change my vote for the time being. What the dicks? On March 23 2012 04:43 Zealos wrote: @Alderan I am in this game playing with the assumption that people believe that I am town. I'm not going to waste time to debate over this, as I'd rather spend my time on the thread trying to find real scum, and get them. If I'm not allowed to agree with people over who looks scummy, then you may as well not bother reading my posts as I am not afraid to agree with people when they make good points. @Acro Matthew is... Weird. He makes some perfectly valid points, but also seems to make some rather moot ones. Although looking at the filter, he makes a LOT of accusations, without having all that much reason. For instance He seems to constantly switch targets, and it seems like he wants to stir up confusion. Although he almost seems too obvious in the way he does it, which could just be bad town. Summary: I would certainly say suspicious, but not 100% mafia yet, but should no better targets appear, would be a reasonable day 1 lynch. Solid scumhunting imo. Not too much substance, but there isn't much to analyze. My feelings on him: town, with some reservations. | ||
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On March 21 2012 22:54 Acrofales wrote: Okay seriously WTF. I know I'm new to this game, but voting me for that reason alone makes no sense. In fact, it seems quite a scum move to cast suspicion on people right at the start of the game. Or am I going overboard and it's just a way of getting people to post at the start of the game? Either way, I'm watching you and risk.nuke. Voting off the bat seems fishy. Everything about this post screams emotional overreaction to being voted with something that is clearly not a serious vote. On March 22 2012 02:23 Acrofales wrote: What you bolded was basically a follow-up to my question before the game started: As for the rest, I've calmed down a bit, with later people talking about the random votes. It is my first game (ever) and I was hoping to live past the first day. People instavoting for me got me a bit upset. I am happy to unvote Matthew when a better candidate comes up, the ghost of High Heart is kinda cryptic when it comes to her prophecies  It was more of a "if you vote for me, then I'll vote for you"-thing anyway.That said, Matthew, why did you vote for me? Chaoser already had the random vote on me. The 2nd one was just mean. That vote has been the entire contribution to this game, with no explanation or text (except for a lololololol, which is even less useful). For reasons I can't put my finger on, I get the feeling from this post that Acro is either horrible, horrible town, or trying to just talk with mattchew so they can generate discussion that looks pro-town. Makes me feel like Acro and mattchew are both scum. More proof of my earlier feeling. On March 22 2012 06:21 Acrofales wrote: I'm still trying to figure out what case that is. I have already said twice now why I overreacted at first. Although I am starting to think my reaction was the right one. You're clearly not adding anything: you choose to ignore the two posts I made in defense of my overreaction, and now mention some case against me. Post your case clearly and properly and I will respond to you, but at the moment you just seem to be trolling me. Even more... On March 22 2012 23:39 Acrofales wrote: Why we should lynch Mattchew: First off, he starts building an alibi with a case made of air. I understand the pressure vote, but his follow-up was lackluster: I understand that this is his character, but it is a very useless accusation. You assume I'm scum, therefore everybody who defends me must also be scum. His main reason for calling me scum is: The meta-comparison is a completely moot point, as had been pointed out by a number of people. So you were basically tunneling on me, and the reasons given are flimsy at best. Secondly, his defense when other people start questioning his motives: + Show Spoiler [Reply to Zentor] + On March 22 2012 06:10 Mattchew wrote: then MrZentor, bad reading comprehension in hand, makes a terrible post with his lead point of his slippery slope theory being untrue because Mattchew (who is awesome, sexy and lover of all townies) never even voted for Acrofales! He does not answer MrZentor's questions or doubts, but instead deflects them and builds a straw man argument about whether or not he voted. This deflection is successful, because the rest of the entire page of discussion is about whether or not he actually voted: he STILL has not answered MrZentor's questions. + Show Spoiler [Reply to Chaoser] + On March 22 2012 07:35 Mattchew wrote: lol so you want me to comment on what I am involved with already? wut? and all i did was pressure a newbie who had a bad reaction, i just wanted to push him, and make him post some more. The thread has talked about WBG (which is stupid), Gumshoe's "scumslip" (A common scum tactic to "catch" a townie on) and me/acro More deflection without actually giving his opinion (except that the Acro-Mattchew controversy is the only useful thing in the thread to that point, which I disagree with). Third, and final point: he is really trying to use meta-arguments to make himself look good in the discussion between him and DoYouHas. This is basically just useless fluff which serves only as a meta-defense as "look, I'm not a screwup noob". Okay, lets say I buy that. That leaves you being scum as the only explanation for you building a case out of air and avoiding any other meaningful discussion. Newest info: his last post is actually something of substance, but I'm suspicious of him anyway. It might just be him realizing his gambit is failing and posting something townie. Specifically his sudden change to me being town Entire post is about how he wants to lynch Mattchew... but the last line is telling. He's clearly giving himself an out for when he decides miraculously not to vote mattchew because "someone more scummy" has come along. On March 23 2012 03:47 Acrofales wrote: Most useless "I'm saying I'm not, but secretly am still lurking"-post I have seen in this thread. I think you might be beating out Evantrees for king of the lurks. Remember that in the Game of Thrones kings tend to lose their heads. A legitimate post calling out a lurker. My feeling: [r]scum[/r] He's the most scummy read I have thus far. | ||
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On March 23 2012 05:58 Mattchew wrote: I put scum slip in quotes because thats what others were calling it. I don't believe it was a scum slip so I put it in quotes. This is COMPLETELY untrue. I NEVER said that 1 of you had to be scum, I simply stated that I don't think its possible both of you are scum, there is a HUGE difference. I called lyter scum, a lot of people will call a lot of people scum, sometimes it means something, sometimes its just a half -hearted reaction. I never used OMGUS, I just pointed out the fact that you are repeating the same things and being vague in doing so. and I have yet to get emotionally invested in a mafia game, just annoyed (at like every single one) Hey look, it's the miraculous post that will change acro's mind. | ||
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On March 23 2012 05:48 Mattchew wrote: Sandroba I presume? He called like 5 people town 5 people scum gave like 4 people "passes" and then called the rest "idk or null" There was a little of his own opinions in there (his reads on ald and sinensis) There are some things I heavily disagree with such as All in all this post seemed genuine and honest. I would have liked him to actually take a stand and vote someone at then end but meh w/e What the hell? I did not call 5 people town, 5 people scum, and give 4 people passes. You're making things up AKA lying. | ||
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Your edit of my post nailed it. FML Useless, but funny. On March 22 2012 01:57 Oberyn wrote: I definitely agree with this. We shouldn't allow players to pretend to contribute by speculating on a role that has little impact on the events of the first few days. If wherebugsgo wants to coordinate with town to somehow mutually achieve our goals, then that's fine, but otherwise it is best to ignore him. If you want to discuss policy, then why are you just giving a bunch of questions? You should share what your actual opinion is. A no-lynch should be out of the question as this person suggests: We don't accomplish anything and obtain no information if everyone gets a free pass on day one. Lurkers should be pressured to post, but the day one lynch shouldn't only be focused on people without posts since it is also tough to generate information. This is a sketchy post. What does "interesting" mean? Is it scummy? You should draw conclusions rather than tell us that you look forward to reading peoples posts. Solid analysis. GIANT POST WITH LOTS OF OPINIONS. I don't see how his posting could be construed as anti-town. He hasn't posted much, but what he has posted (for the most part) has been useful. Most definitely not a lynch candidate in my opinion. You can say he's being too neutral, but it's day 1 and there's not much to work with. We shouldn't lynch someone who is making an effort at quality posts. | ||
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On March 22 2012 21:42 risk.nuke wrote: Welcome gentlemen to tonights episode of Who Needs To Get Hit In The Face With a Broadsword. My name is nuke and I will be your host for the evening. Untitled Reporter: Before we get to that, the day started of with a bunch of stupid stuff. Can you tell us a bit of what that was nuke? nuke: Yes naturally, so yes the day started of with wherebugsgo instantly deciding to do some initial trolling. My cameraman Mr.Wiggles caught some of the first responses. + Show Spoiler [Xatalos] + But isn't he third party? DAFUQ ![[image loading]](http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyrw9lw9A51qe2tt8.gif) + Show Spoiler [evantrees] + ![[image loading]](http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lta5315lTs1qhvukf.gif) The city was in chaos for a brief moment untill Acrofales rolled in and said. + Show Spoiler + Acrofales wrote: I'mma specculate on littlefingers wincondition. ![[image loading]](http://prohardver.hu/dl/upc/2011-07/131762_meme-lol.png) The quality play continues with GreYMisT wanting to lynch modconfirmed unlynchable third party. Which brings us to one of our main-candidates for the evening. Ladies and Gentlemen I present to you. ReDMisT. After reciving a pressurevote at the start of the game GreYMist emerges. He doesn't say anything about the vote made against him which I don't actually hold against him too much, altough a "Go bugger yourself nuke" in response to my vote would had been nice. However he doesn't say anything else either to generate lynch-discussion. Instead he tries to lead the conversation onto third-party discussion. If you look through his filter here. GreYMist Filter. His continued posts are pretty worthless. He makes a few points like informing how a Mayor system works, shoots down a role-claim. Denying freepasses and punching Mattchews poor logic in the face. Whilst these are alright posts and by that I mean not straight out useless or fluff they aren't doing much to help town either. They are just the kind of replies someone was going to post and GreYMisT posted first. So in terms of "helpfull discussion" aka "lynch discussion" GreY still sits on a pretty solid nothing. First. No, I did not see any sarcasm in your lets lynch littlefinger post. This is what you wrote. Tell me where is the sarcasm or how this clearly is a joke because I don't see it. Especially since the majority about that post is concerning what to do with littlefinger. GreYMisT dismiss it as sarcasm and a joke after the post BUT it wasn't sarcasm nor a joke. And that makes GreYMisT a L-I-A-R. Which is Scum in latin. I absolutely love the second part of this post If gumshoe is scum for jumping on the easiest lynch he can find, does the same go for you jumping on gumshoe? My other candidate right now was gumshoe but the case on him has already been stated and I don't feel like beeing overly repetetive. Winner: ReDMisT! Close but keeps his head: gumshoe! That's all for now, stay tuned! This is literally risk's only post of content. Impossible to read since most of what he pointed out as scummy by greymist is, in fact, scummy (lots of useless filler). Why would you harp about his joke and defense of it, though? Seriously wtf people -_- "Just to be certain" about the mod confirmed unlynchable is so obviously a joke, or horrible play, no mafia man would ever suggest it) Also, where's the reasoning for having gumshoe as your second favorite target? | ||
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On March 22 2012 01:35 SamuelLJackson wrote: What part of MODCONFIRMED UNLYNCHABLE/UNKILLABLE do you not understand? Next person that discusses wbg or engages in any useless conversation with him get's my vote. Consider it like he is not even playing in this game. /sandroba So clearly a joke, but I do agree with ignoring wbg for now... On March 22 2012 12:05 SamuelLJackson wrote: Gumshoe makes 3 retarded posts in a row, all of which seem genuine and if he was scum I'm pretty sure someone would have filled him in/raged at him, because that ought to rise suspicion from the jubjubs that think not having a clue=scum. Him and acro are the easy day 1 lynch bait that scum love to cast suspicion on. Solid reasoning to avoid an acro or gumshoe vote. Pro-town play here On March 23 2012 05:33 SamuelLJackson wrote: Fuck oberyn is prob town. We could lynch greymist for lols, but I'm not sure on him. Or we could go for a random lurker from evantrees/lyter/risen. But I have a better idea, let's lynch layabout for not giving a fuck and popping in to support my case on oberyn and sprouting a lot of bullshit in all of his posts. Filter laya and check it out. Maybe syllo will be kind enough to pop in and make a decent case. Meanwhile you can all trust me and just get laya lynched. ##Unvote ##vote layabout Was wondering why you were trying to lynch Oberyn, then figured out it was a scumtrap or horrible-town-bandwagoner-who-is-going-to-be-useless-anyways trap. More pro-town play Feeling: town (probably the most town player thus far b/c of the scumtrap) | ||
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On March 23 2012 04:19 Alderan wrote: Just threw in a lip. Let's see if I can't make some sense of the drivel so far in this thread (not a knock on anyone, Day 1 always sucks. @risk.nuke: Greymist is suspicious to me yes, but for nearly none of the reasons you provided. His comment on wherebugsgo was a joke, at least that's how I took it when I read it. I don't think it was some secret agenda to try to divert town discussion at all (which notably was the entire point of your huge post). I want to wait on Gumshoe to come back before I comment anymore on Greymist though. @chaoser: No one is trying to give Gumshoe a pass, at least I haven't seen any, but we obviously need more discussion from him. He's been gone since the role claim thing, I'm just not too keen on busting out the pitch forks just yet. @Zealos: Your contributions to the game thus far are as follows: - Identify the 2 most common lynch targets. - Place them into your lynch list. Thats it. That is incredibly scummy. I shouldn't have to elaborate why. @DYH: I'm never a fan of the idea that votes=pressure but I agree that Nicholas uses some pretty shotty logic. The coorlation between risk and Greymist is interesting, and something definitely to take not of, but like I said, I'll be commenting on Greymist more a bit later. Some final thoughts: - I think Mattchew was tunneling Acrofales to put on some pressure, but I think most can agree he's not as scummy as he once seemed. - I know I was the one that brought up Oberyn's name first, but I'm not quite sold, again we need to wait for a response. I guess I have the luxury of being available in the hours running up to the deadline, but I urge everyone not to jump on the band wagon that quickly, use your head. - As per usual, lurkers are killing us right now, we need to keep the conversation going (hence the nature and format of this post). ON made a pretty decent case for day1 against alderan. I'd simply like to add to it by quoting this section. I think Mattchew is just as scummy as he once seemed, that line to me feels like a three-way circle jerk between you, mattchew, and acro. Advising against bandwagon is pro-town, though, as is the rest of this post in my opinion. Feeling: It's day1 and he hasn't done anything to make me believe he isn't town. As long as he keeps advising in a pro-town manner I don't think it matters whether he's scum or not. | ||
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This seems bad to me, though. On March 22 2012 09:41 MrZentor wrote: I don't care if I die or not. I just want to know what you prefer. What's the point to this discussion? | ||
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On March 23 2012 06:30 OriginalName wrote: HENCE WHY I POSTED IT. (also im here again just reading up from where i left off. Although the only thing that really irks me is oberyns super long post of opinions which really reads like. IM TRYING TO CONTRIBUTE BUT NOT REALLY CONTRIBUTING. Another thing to note is Samuels passiveness. hes running around voting people and switching around without even letting them post so it fails as a pressure vote. They post at most adequate reasons for things and a kicker is from a post where i asked them to explain themselves earlier. They did respond but only after i asked them. Why are you holding information back, there is no reason to hold it back and the votes seem to be pushing a scum agenda of just pushing whoever they damn well feel like because they know they are anti town. Alderan not helping himself lately again risens opinion actually is fairly correct although he really needs to stop spamming and consolidate his posts. I need to read mattchew again and will get back later, just doing some chem homework first then will get on it. Please explain what you mean by me holding information back in this post. What am I holding back? I'll stop for now since yeah my posting is pretty much 90% of the last couple pages | ||
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Going to sleep or something soon. Might pop back in later if I'm still awake. I'll be on in the morning, though for sure. ##vote Mattchew | ||
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On March 23 2012 21:11 Mattchew wrote: lol coming from littlefinger i dont suspect it will hold much weight Unfortunately it does not, we don't know his sanity. If someone were to check you tonight and confirm then maybe it would. On March 23 2012 20:00 Acrofales wrote: Risen: wtf did you do to this thread. You posted an entire page of posts with largely useless analysis and ended up sheeping the Mattchew vote. While I agree with your final choice, your reasoning is completely out of wack. In your giant walls of text, you say I am more suspect than Mattchew, yet you vote for him. Why? There seems a lot of too-dumb-to-be-mafia going around and I think it would be way too easy to hide in this crap as mafia. We should stop using that as an excuse for anybody. I know that I have used it, but I don't give a crap at this point, the thread is getting so full of stupid, useless fake analysis stuff that I am almost at the point of saying we should policy lynch Sinensis, Risen, DoYouHas or risk.nuke for posting such inane stuff. I am new here and even I can see that the cases you post are flinterthin. Do you even think before you post, or are you really just trying to fill your filter with something that seems useful, but really isn't. Talking about lynching. We have 13 hours left and I think it's about time to start making a decision and stop casting votes in senseless directions. Luckily my senseless direction 15 minutes into the game seems to be a pretty good guess and we should lynch Mattchew, based on my earlier stated case. Anybody have a better idea? Policy vote the guy who posted huge swaths of analysis on players and is contributing? K. I wasn't 100% on mattchew, and after reading this post it's pretty much confirmed that acrofales is scum in my mind (or he's just a townie who's harming us more than he's worth). If you had bothered reading anything after my initial analysis (which I'm sure you did, and then just decided to not pay attention to because it helps make you look like you're contributing) you would know why I voted for Mattchew. After I posted my analysis on you, I posted this. On March 23 2012 06:02 Risen wrote: EBWOP for acro analysis Hey look, it's the miraculous post that will change acro's mind. Seems to be working in collusion with you, but you don't need him to be working with you in order for you to find a post that will allow you to change your mind. Then I made this post. On March 23 2012 13:45 Risen wrote: Yeah sorry about that, wasn't thinking entirely. The rest of my analysis and anything further will be compiled into spoilers. Having said this, I'm going to place my vote on mattchew and suggest a vig hit on acro for now. This is by no means my final position. Mattchew just screams scum to me right now. Also, a different possible vig hit imo is Lyter, since all he is doing is lurking. Nicolas is out of the game, btw. Pretty clear to me that anyone who was scum wouldn't find the game boring, ergo he's almost confirmed town to me. Going to sleep or something soon. Might pop back in later if I'm still awake. I'll be on in the morning, though for sure. ##vote Mattchew With supporting evidence in the form of... On March 23 2012 07:05 Mattchew wrote: Hey Risen, once again you (like so many others) post vague things about people as if they have meaning. When you say something like "what he has posted is quality in my opinion" why don't you actually point out what is quality and why instead of just calling it quality. btw i doubt that i am focusing on one guy when I never voted him, have made a case on someone else, and actually voted for a third person Which, to me, looks like someone scrambling to discredit me. Then again, someone who is town would be just as freaked out. My vote would still be on him had you not made that horrible, HORRIBLE post. How about instead of saying, oh hey his analysis is weak, you say, oh hey his analysis is weak for X, Y, Z reasons? I'll tell you why, because you're scum just looking to discredit me quickly. Yeah, I shit up the thread with all my posts and should have spoilered them into one post, but you're construing that as mafia play? You're attempting to say that someone who is posting analysis (whether I went about it in the correct manner) is playing scummy? Then what is town to you? Policy lynch someone who is posting analysis that can easily be looked back at day2,3, etc? Or lynch someone who is contributing nothing useful and is just tunneling the shit out of Mattchew (then calling out people who vote for him with "shoddy reasoning" that he never points out)... I was wrong earlier. You don't need to get off Mattchew, you just need to start up the wagon a little bit and then discredit anyone who agrees that Mattchew's play was scummy. I think Mattchew overreacted to your focus on him if he's town and he's going to have to be looked at by someone. You can sit back and say, "oh I don't like your reasoning. You're doing that for the wrong reason." etc, etc, etc and bully people off of him and onto another wagon. So Mattchew, maybe you're town and acro is using you as his "oh I contributed and I'm covering my tracks by calling the other people who vote for him bad" it's an OMGUS waiting to happen (he actually did OMGUS me with his mentioned post). Then again, maybe you're scum and acro's plan for people to get off you isn't going to work out and you're lynched. I don't want to help acro in either of those situations, I want him dead. I think mattchew is a prime target for checking tonight, but not for lynching. As always, feel free to point out why you disagree with this post with a reasoned analysis. You'll note that I haven't called a single person out in this thread when they were suspicious of me if they had their opinion backed up. I probably messed up somewhere in here, and you can point out where I did so, and I can respond with a reasoned post explaining more thoroughly anything you have issue with. That's how town plays, that's how town wins. We post and post and post and explain ourselves until we see someone who's fucked up their web of lies. Acro, your posting doesn't have any substance. That makes this an easy decision for me since I never actually placed my vote on Mattchew. ##vote Acrofales | ||
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Town and vocal We look back on your posting history and see a consistent thought process Scum and vocal Eventually you will slip and there will be inconsistancies Scum and silent Can't get a read on you, seem to be a sheeping town, but maybe you're lurking scum. Town and silent Same as above The pro-town play is to be vocal and to keep discussion flowing. Get to it. | ||
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On March 23 2012 23:20 Mattchew wrote: Risen you did a lot of analysis on players but left out evantrees and Xatalos (among many others not saying this was intentional), I would like your thoughts on them also, there was no discredit in my post to you, just asking for further clarification on vague reasoning (which you haven't done). When you look through my filter do you still see me as tunneling Acro? More recently, no, I do not. I think you took the line offered and got yourself away from crazy. If you go through my filter you'll see that I stopped with my massive analysis chain because it was destroying the thread. When I get back from class today I'll make a spoilered post of my opinions on the filters of everyone remaining. I understand your point about my saying "X is quality". It is not reasonable for me to say, "Hey you have to point out what you think is unreasonable in arguments" and then post that I think something is a solid opinion without stating why. | ||
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On March 24 2012 05:48 SamuelLJackson wrote: Please, be so kind to point out to me what in acro's play that makes him scum. Oh my post on him earlier wasn't enough? Or is this the other half of SLJ and therefor can't be bothered to go into my filter... | ||
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On March 24 2012 06:25 OriginalName wrote: There is no issues with pushing a hard lynch as often that push can cause scum to slip up harder. If they seem more townie as time goes on then fine switch off. Im just tierd of people playing passive on Day 1 because of what they deem as weak reads. Throw ideas out thats the point sure asking questions is fine but what and WHY do you think something Going to move over to Eventrees for now, Im likeing sandro if not syllo but really Im probably just wasting my vote atm. ##Vote Eventrees @Sandro Im probably picking on you more then most because you have 2 people working on an account with people who dont want to play the game. If anything im venting frustration on people who are being overall unhelpful and while i do believe that if you want to hide info between yourselves if you are town theres no harm in throwing out those ideas to us as well to throw our opinions on. @Generally everyone else What is everyone thinking about Sinesis i dont think its wise to truely ignore anyone and he seems to be just sitting there and not barging into the forefront. I'm fine with Sinesis right now. Just above you he makes a pretty bold post challenging the two man team, not sure how else he could barge into the forefront. On March 24 2012 06:05 Sinensis wrote: Well he is posting lists that aren't true, questions that are answered in the rules of the game, he's insulting people in the thread because they don't agree with him, and spamming other irrelevant stuff in the last few hours of the first day... All those things are at least more scummy to me than what others are doing right now. Seems to be par for the course for him this game though. I'm leaning more and more towards a mafia SLJ. He's casting doubt on perfectly reasonable assumptions. | ||
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On March 24 2012 06:41 GreYMisT wrote: These few hour vote changes are dumb. Can someone explain to me why we all decided not to vote obryn today? was it really all just because of one post on every player in the game? It's more likely that no one wants to agree with you, because as far as I see, lots of people think you're scum. | ||
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On March 24 2012 07:02 GreYMisT wrote: Do you think sheer post count is enough to absolve people? And risen, thats an interesting opinion, do you think im scum? Note what I said earlier about people who don't post enough. Lurking is never pro-town. Never, ever, ever. No, I do not think you're scum, I think people found an easy lynch and tried to run with it when you jokingly suggested lynching wbg. No townie would ever take that suggestion seriously, only mafia looking for an easy target would. | ||
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On March 24 2012 07:09 wherebugsgo wrote: Hey guys, look: all the scum are switching to evantrees now! Lololololol Then fuck evantrees. If he gets lynched he set himself up for this bullshit by not posting, and we're better off with him gone now so we don't have to put up with his shit later. I'd rather waste a lynch now on a useless townie so we don't have to have doubts about him later. At least if he flips town we can focus vig hits on other people who aren't lurking like a mofo | ||
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On March 24 2012 07:12 Acrofales wrote: Given that my favourite scum target isn't getting killed anyway I'll start the bandwagon on a modkilled guy! ##unvote ##vote Nicolas I approve this wholeheartedly. Changing my vote since no one will vote for you (reasons for which are beyond me, I still think you're the most viable lynch target, but I'm not the only one with an opinion). Still think you need to be shot by a vig Acro. Hopefully enough people can get off other equally useless votes and just lynch the modkilled guy. We're going to lose Nicolas at lynch time anyways people, in this manner we get a lot more time to see people posting. This is tough... I think evantrees deserves his death for playing so shitty, but I don't think mafia would sit by while one of their own was being lynched either. Where the fuck is Lyter? Why the focus on evantrees and not lyter who is also lurking just as much? This gives me pause, makes me think evantrees is town and lyter is scum. | ||
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On March 24 2012 07:15 GreYMisT wrote: You "Guess you could add Evantrees to your lynch targets?" What the crap? This entire post is just asking other people to make decisions for you. That's all he does. His play is so fucking scummy. How the fuck am I the only one on him, why did people switch off this guy? If he's not lynched he needs to be shot n1. | ||
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On March 24 2012 07:18 layabout wrote: Bitch i haven't even read xat or evan's or nicholas's posts. Upon reflection i think i will, gimme a sec Why the hell are you needing to read Nicolas' posts? The guy is being modkilled. On March 24 2012 07:19 Oberyn wrote: He's that scum you need to kill to fulfill your win condition. He told me so. You should vote with me! Don't shit up the thread responding to the guy you should be ignoring entirely. | ||
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On March 24 2012 07:21 Acrofales wrote: Don't read shit into it that's not there. I don't want to policy-lynch, I want to lynch Mattchew, but that is clearly not going to happen. Rather than wasting my vote there and having whoever the fuck wants switch at the last second to mislynch a useful townie, I'd rather policy-lynch a lurker or someone who's going to get modkilled. I chose the modkilled. Now stop confusing shit more than it is already and consolidate your own vote somewhere useful, or make a better case against Oberyn, because so far it has been: he's useless. He is a lot LESS useless than Evantrees or Nicolas, so if that's your criteria, your vote's in the wrong place. How the fuck is your vote on Mattchew going to be wasted? He's tied for the lead! He made it to 3 BEFORE evantrees. This goes back to what I was saying earlier, Acro is sitting here shitting up the thread with useless posts tunneling Mattchew. I'm almost positive Acro is scum, and Mattchew needs to be checked tonight. VOTE ACROFALES | ||
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On March 24 2012 07:26 layabout wrote: i am switching ##vote GreYMisT What the fuckkkkkkkkkkkkk, you're basing this off the words of an inconsistent wbg? zzzzzzzzzz | ||
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On March 24 2012 07:18 wherebugsgo wrote: rofl you liar, you love it. cause you're scum. Claims Greymist is scum. On March 24 2012 07:24 wherebugsgo wrote: You could replace "Oberyn" with almost any name in the thread and the statement would still be valid. Hell, I'm the most pro-town player in here. I have the names of all the scum team and you homos won't listen to a word I say. Then responds to someone who he "knows" is scum in a serious manner. If wbg is as all-knowing as he claims and KNOWS Greymiust is scum he wouldn't respond to him at all if he was as "pro-town" as he claims. How can anyone listen to anything this guys has to say. Brings me to the point of this post, since any townie should know to ignore wbg. Layabout has to be SCUM. If you're town you deserve to burn for such a useless vote swap late game. Is it so much to ask for a fucking town that doesn't shit itself and fall apart? Since no one seems to be taking Acro the other scum seriously, I'm voting for layabout. ##unvote ##vote layabout and good riddance if you're town. | ||
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On March 24 2012 07:49 Alderan wrote: Am I wrong in assuming that Nicholas will be replaced and not modkilled? I believe someone said earlier he was being modkilled. | ||
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On March 24 2012 08:11 DoYouHas wrote: Am I correct in saying Layabout is currently set to be lynched? Layabout and Greymist are tied. Greymist hit 4 first, so right now we're lynching Greymist. Fuck everything... IN WHEREBUGSGO WE TRUST | ||
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On March 24 2012 08:39 MrZentor wrote: *sigh* I really wanted to kill Mattchew, but because that's not going to happen, I might as well pick the lesser of two evils and vote for Greymist.  And we have our first last second swap. Twenty minutes left and layabout is still due for a lynching. Who's going to run into second thoughts magically with under thirty minutes left next! | ||
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On March 24 2012 08:43 wherebugsgo wrote: you're retarded, the fact that I pointed out you can replace "oberyn" with any name in the game shows that GreYMisT is making up shit out of his ass. It only supports the assertion that GreYMisT is scum, it doesn't weaken it. I'm sure someone will last second swap and we'll see about your claims. | ||
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On March 24 2012 08:48 MrZentor wrote: Greymist was my second choice, and I would much rather have him lynched than Layabout. Of course. | ||
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On March 24 2012 10:21 Mattchew wrote: so if you are town, and you see that you are in the lead to be lynched, and there is another lynch that isn't you, your advice is to just sit there and lurk? + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.qkme.me/54mm.jpg) Layabout wasn't in the lead when he swapped his vote. Try again with your shitty memes. Maybe he should have done the sensible thing and defended himself? | ||
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On March 24 2012 17:13 SamuelLJackson wrote: WBG let's join forces. I don't want to win with town anymore. I went out at 6 o'clock, I told everyone my case on laya was shit and people still sheep me. Srsly town why the fuck did you lynch laya. I was obviously joking. I realize I sound scummy as fuck. Dun care. How about b/c layabout made the dumbest move he could possibly make? He deserved his lynch and in his future town play he'll know better (hopefully, because I'd lynch him every time with the given information) | ||
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On March 25 2012 00:56 wherebugsgo wrote: You're either trolling, or seriously stupid. I mean, I suppose there's a reason this is called A Game of Trolls Mafia. How am I trolling? Don't make scum moves day1 and you won't get lynched. It really is that simple. Don't do stupid shit and you won't get lynched. Mafia might go after you at night for being a good player, but you won't get lynched. | ||
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On March 24 2012 23:46 MrZentor wrote: 2614060413081617082617130911212401 2407080903141809051504141316071822 0316041201241701191524101620161416 0112141705081110010572424153221111 1917212417151510056216907021510421 1322042004152426031916080113140812 1003031225241721061714210423132204 1509121521150725230507221519242417 What the dicks? | ||
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On March 25 2012 03:19 Mattchew wrote: you are making my brain hurt. Reasons why layabout switching his vote from alderan to greymist was not bad 1. He was in 2nd (OMG NOT FIRST but it was 1 vote difference with all the momentum of votes being shifted towards him) and he knew he was town thus, his lynch would be a bad thing. 2. 3. With the end vote being 5 to 5 layabout and greymist, mafia had complete control of the vote. Anyone that did not switch to a top candidate (AS YOU DID RISEN HERPDERPHERPDERP) is fucking retarded and completely against town. Layabout was switching to a top candidate to actually be lynched Hey guess what the difference between him and I is? I gave my reasoning for changing my vote. Mattchew you're just trying to make me look bad and anyone who is town has only to look through our posting histories to know you're bull shitting. Or maybe you're as horrible as layabout is. Who knows. | ||
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On March 25 2012 06:50 Acrofales wrote: Seeing as nothing of note is happening at the moment and we're all waiting for WBG to be chucked out the moon door (PLEASE CURU, DO IT!!!). I have a question for WBG (yes, I want to be trolled). WBG: why are 3/4 of your posts obsessed with killing Greymist or asserting that he is scum? Pretty sure he's telling scum not to rb him so he can shoot me. Also, should I roleclaim? Everyone seems to want me dead. | ||
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On March 25 2012 06:57 Acrofales wrote: Firstly, I didn't think you were scum, but now you're panicking irrationally and WBG tells me that is a scumtell. Secondly, why should we believe you if you roleclaim? Thirdly, lets say you roleclaim. Why the hell should that stop a CRAZY IMMORTAL 3RD PARTY from killing you? Because apparently wbg doesn't know my alignment, if he's truly trying to be pro-town at this point (he should be if his win con involves low town and mafia counts near the end) he won't want to shoot me. I'm not panicking? I'm asking calmly, should I roleclaim? I'm relatively new and haven't encountered a situation like this before. My golden rules of town play are listed earlier in my filter relating to posting in large amounts with relevant stuff. This isn't covered under that. How did wbg tell you that was a scumtell? Did he PM you? Is that one of his powers? You should believe me when I roleclaim because I'll have immediate evidence following the end of the night that I am what I claim to be. If I don't have evidence then it's an easy lynch for you guys. | ||
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On March 25 2012 07:04 Acrofales wrote: Dude, you've been calling for a vig hit on me all day. Please please please tell me you're not dumb enough to shoot one of the few active town players here. I still think you're one of the scummiest players in the game. | ||
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On March 25 2012 07:11 wherebugsgo wrote: Shut up Risen I'm shooting you nou On March 25 2012 07:12 Alderan wrote: - You make a terrible play pressuring Gumshoe. - Realize it and move to another lurkish player: Oberyn. - Your case against Oberyn is not as good as you want everyone to think it is. You're accusing a new player of being scum for not posting productively on the first day when you know good and well how much bull shit goes on Day 1 around here, especially in this game. - You scold town for switching vote targets, ironically just as you become a primary suspect. - You keep playing up this "suspicious" dropping of Oberyn as a target. The reason people dropped him as a primary lynch suspicion was because he had posted very little of substance and was lurking really hard, he began posting more, and with much more substance. I don't understand whats causing you to continue your suspicion but you're not suspicious of Evantrees or Lyter. You're tunneling really hard (except of course when you and your scum buddy had to switch votes to save you, in which case you were very open to changing vote targets). As an aside, I admire how selfish you were in getting Risen to put himself on the line for you, but I'm assuming that decision was calculated by the fact that Risen had been buddying you too hard Day 1. How did I buddy Greymist? I would have been on Greymist or evantrees (would have preferred Lyter over evantrees, but as the only lurker up for lynch was evan...) had layabout not blundered. | ||
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On March 25 2012 07:18 wherebugsgo wrote: That's scum for: "I would have killed my teammate, but some other guy could be mislynched, so why the hell would I work against my own wincon?" Also Risen you can't shoot me. But you can roleblock me. Good luck, biatch. I stand by the layabout lynch, and as I said earlier hopefully he learns from his mistake. He could make the same play in a future mafia and I'd still lynch him. I'm not a roleblocker, so boo. | ||
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On March 25 2012 07:30 risk.nuke wrote: Okey Risen, I'm going to tell you this once and slowly, Layabout posted legit reasoning for his vote. You are the one who is dragged behind a horse. Bullshit he did. He voted with no support, and then backtracked and was like OH WELL I VOTED B/C THIS. Let this be a lesson, don't fucking vote without support and then look scummy by having to support yourself later when people call you out. | ||
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On March 24 2012 07:26 layabout wrote: i am switching ##vote GreYMisT no support On March 24 2012 07:35 layabout wrote: No, i am basing it off of the need for town to get on the same lynch and the chance that he might actually be scum since oberyn and syllo seem to think he is. response to me calling him out for switching with no support. His reasoning is that two other people seem to think greymist is scum On March 24 2012 07:44 layabout wrote: Who do you honestly think we should lynch? Since apparently voting for you is enough to earn your vote i am pretty sure it is not me. Otherwise, that votecount is so horrendous and open to manipulation it might be best to mass switch to Nicolas so that we don't lose two townies. No supporting evidence in here either. So you want to tell me exactly where he provided any valid reasoning? Oh, there is none. | ||
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On March 25 2012 07:37 Alderan wrote: Spoiler'd because this is about to be in all caps: + Show Spoiler + YOU SWITCHED TO LAYABOUT WITHOUT EVEN SAYING HIS NAME, ONLY BECAUSE HE SWITCHED TO GREYMIST. YOU DID THE SAME FUCKING THING. On March 24 2012 07:39 Risen wrote: Anyone, ANYONE taking wbg seriously needs to look at this shit. Claims Greymist is scum. Then responds to someone who he "knows" is scum in a serious manner. If wbg is as all-knowing as he claims and KNOWS Greymiust is scum he wouldn't respond to him at all if he was as "pro-town" as he claims. How can anyone listen to anything this guys has to say. Brings me to the point of this post, since any townie should know to ignore wbg. Layabout has to be SCUM. If you're town you deserve to burn for such a useless vote swap late game. Is it so much to ask for a fucking town that doesn't shit itself and fall apart? Since no one seems to be taking Acro the other scum seriously, I'm voting for layabout. ##unvote ##vote layabout and good riddance if you're town. Perfectly acceptable reasoning imo. When presented with two people who you're unsure of, lynch the one who looks scummy. Layabout, by making himself appear scummy, became the scummiest of the two. Easy vote for me. | ||
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On March 25 2012 07:41 wherebugsgo wrote: In this post Risen denies being a roleblocker but doesn't deny being scum. gg When you shoot me I'll flip. After I'm dead lynch Acrofales. Going to the movies with my sister, godspeed town. | ||
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On March 25 2012 08:42 Acrofales wrote: I can't believe he made me reply to all that dross in a rush and isn't even around to read it. I hate him with a vengeance and promise to policy-lynch him from now on in any game we play in together. Don't worry, I'm here. I read it. | ||
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On March 25 2012 08:48 Acrofales wrote: Okay. Please don't vigi shoot me. G'night. If I was a vigi I wouldn't be telling people to lynch you tomorrow. Gnight. | ||
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On March 25 2012 09:00 SamuelLJackson wrote: We are shooting evantrees Good shot imo. Would have preferred Lyter. | ||
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On March 25 2012 09:09 evantrees wrote: sigh, sorry you felt the need to do that failing again. Don't lurk next time as town (if you flip town) On March 25 2012 09:08 risk.nuke wrote: Evantress had a wagon going on him, knowing his flip will give us information from that wagon. Makes sense. | ||
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On March 25 2012 09:59 wherebugsgo wrote: I GOT ROLEBLOCKED LOOOOOOOOL RISEN MAFIA No you didn't. Stop trolling. Use your daycheck and confirm I'm town now. Or if you have a dayvig ability shoot me now so we can lynch acro. | ||
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I'm not changing my vote. He is scum. LOOK NO REASONING LOLOLOL. Next on the block should be Lyter or Greymist, depending on how today goes. | ||
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Sounds good to me. I'm detecting a disturbance in the force, oh wait, I have no idea whether you're mafia or town so I'll keep my mouth shut. | ||
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On March 25 2012 10:16 Mattchew wrote: Cool so I'm like confirmed town If you follow the logic that acro=mafia then mattchew=town? Yes. I've been thinking. WBG wants a close endgame. He told us greymist was mafia, but we lynched a townie anyways. He's now pushing hard on me. He knows I'm town, so his motives to me are suspect (obviously). It comes back to the 10-3 town to mafia at the start of night 3 should I be lynched as he wants, which is pretty on track for a WBG victory assuming it drops to 8-3 following night 3. Maybe it's the first one and he's just trying to show us who the mafia is by outlining who jumps on me. I hadn't considered that a 10-3 town/mafia ratio is perfect for him at the end of day 3 when I originally posted, though. | ||
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On March 25 2012 10:35 Mattchew wrote: No I'm confirmed town because layabout and alj and dyh flipped town How does that make you town? I'm confused. WBG that's exactly what I said >.> | ||
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If it's decided I'm lying, then I'm lynched and acro is gone tomorrow so all the discussion tomorrow will be useless as well, if it's decided I'm telling the truth acro is lynched today and tomorrow brings fresh discussion. Or the case I'm not bringing up because it's impossible, acro flips town and I'm therefor mafia and discussion today is pointless and discussion tomorrow is pointless as I'm the obvious lynch. Therefor, I think the best possible outcome for us is lynching acro today. When he flips mafia I'm confirmed town and we're happy as shit and in a really good spot. (Even if he flips town it gives you a free mafia lynch tomorrow, again this won't happen but town is still in a pretty damn decent position) Sums up any input I'll have today I think. Time for me to go to my movie, I'll be back later folks. | ||
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On March 25 2012 10:42 wherebugsgo wrote: There you have it ladies and gentlemen, Risen has claimed scum. Again. If you don't kill him, you're seriously braindead. I think my position is pretty clear. The path for everyone today and (possibly if I'm lynched) tomorrow is set in stone. Focus your trolling on something that isn't set in stone. If I was you I'd start casting one of the mafia players as town and one of the other townies as mafia. If neither me nor acro is lynched today I'm trolling the shit out of this game from now on. | ||
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On March 25 2012 12:37 Sinensis wrote: Yes, you're right. I can think of a couple more purposes for WBG's character too: -When you want to seem like you're contributing something but you're really not, you can just examine some part of the nonsense he's spewing at the time. -If you're mafia, you can get upset and pitch a fit when he says something like "I'm going to shoot you because I have vigi powers because that makes sense." -When everyone else is either ignoring you or calling you scum, you can talk to him instead of trying to participate constructively. I am voting ##vote evantrees and I am offering ZERO explanation as to why. Does this bother you Risen? How the fuck? Lynching evantrees is fucking bonkers. Lynch me, or lynch acro. A lynch not on me or acro furthers scum agenda. If you don't want to vote acro, vote me. That way you guys know I'm telling the truth. It's really that simple. Spoilers is all caps for easy reading. + Show Spoiler + TWO OPTIONS. IM MAKING THIS STUPID EASY FOR TOWNIES AND GIVES YOU GUARANTEED MINIMUM 10-3 TOWN-MAFIA END OF DAY 3 WORST CASE SCENARIO. OR BEST CASE ACRO IS LYNCHED TONIGHT AND IT'S 13-3 TOWN-MAFIA GOING INTO NIGHT 2 | ||
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On March 25 2012 13:41 GreYMisT wrote: You are not confirmed town when/if acro flips scum we do not know that mafia knows that acro is being lynched today or tomorrow 100% Why even ask us to consider the fact that you will flip scum, if you are not? This, in addition to your extremely defensive nature (during night might I add) leads me to believe you are scum. ##Vote: Risen Because when I flip detective you'll know I've checked him. | ||
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On March 25 2012 13:50 wherebugsgo wrote: Risen's DT claim is about as valid as my DT claim. Which is why I need to be lynched tonight or acro needs to be lynched. So you can verify that I am town detective, then lynch acro. This will leave town 10-3 and in a pretty decent spot. | ||
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On March 25 2012 14:11 Sinensis wrote: See, I thought that would bother you. I'm voting evantrees because I said I would until he responded, and he hasn't. I am being consistent. It's a good talent toi have when playing this game. Being consistent in the face of overwhelming evidence is stupid. I'm sacrificing myself here so we have a pretty damn decent shot going into night 3. Here's my overwhelming evidence. I'm claiming openly in thread that I checked acro. He is scum. Two possibilties here. I'm lying, I'm scum, lynch me. I'm telling the truth, I'm not scum, lynch acro. Lynching acro obviously is the best option, but even the worst option here is pretty good for town. I'm lynched tonight and acro is lynched tomorrow. I don't think I can make it any simpler than that. | ||
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On March 25 2012 14:15 Sinensis wrote: EDIT Further, just because you've been spamming for pages and pages ever since people started voting for you, doesn't mean other stuff in the thread doesn't apply. But I bet you wish it did work that way right about now! Yes, I do. I wish I could have everyone vote me right now and tell Curu to end the day. That way town could get through day3 as fast as possible. As of now the next 91 hours of day time (only 43 if acro is lynched) are going to be worthless. | ||
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On March 25 2012 14:26 Sinensis wrote: Let me explain something to you. Just because you think you have a plan, and you're pretty sure it makes sense, and you think it's a good plan, and you want people to believe you and do what you say, doesn't mean you actually have/are going to accomplish any of that. I have no idea how people could ignore me and not lynch me. My plan is going through one way or the other. Deal with it. | ||
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On March 25 2012 14:41 Sinensis wrote: Next time you role claim detective, don't do it like this: "Hey guys I'm the detective, lynch me!" Do it like this: "Hey guys I'm the detective, don't lynch me!" normally I'd agree, but we have a third party troll. Things had to be done to show that no one should listen to wbg | ||
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On March 25 2012 15:19 Alderan wrote: Risen is keeping up this whole farce that Acro is getting lynched today. Is anyone planning on voting Acro? That's what I thought.... ##Vote: Risen Greymist is next.... Negative, acro is next. | ||
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On March 26 2012 03:44 Acrofales wrote: Chaoser. I agree with your possible cases. You also drew them a lot prettier than I did in my post against Risen's earlier case. I just fail to see why mafia needs to be DT. Is there some strange mechanic in the game where mafia can't see other mafia? Mafia knows mafia, right? So why does it matter whether risen is DT or not if he's mafia? If he's mafia, he knows I'm a townie. What I don't know is why anybody is paying any attention to him. Actually, now that I think about it a bit more, I have a theory. The way he jumped in just 2 hours before the deadline to blueclaim is exceedingly damning. If he's really blue this must be the worst possible timing. Additionally he uses WBG's drivel as an excuse insofar as he needed one. How is this not a mafia setup? If he really is a DT, he was just setting himself up to be offed by a mobster. If, however, he is mafia, he knows he's not getting killed by his teammates. With his earlier pushes for me to get vig'd he suspected I would react. This just sets him up for his day 2 play of painting me as scum: 1. He has put me and him directly opposit each other. 2. He has announced his blue claim prior to it actually happening. It also makes sense of a lot of his really crappy posting yesterday evening. You're an idiot for not claiming miller at this point. | ||
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Risen
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On March 26 2012 04:59 chaoser wrote: Doesn't matter, acro. due to the situation risen has created, the only way out is if both of you get lynched/shot. Anything else leaves too much WIFOM. Unless something crazy comes up, this is the most beneficial play. At the very least we should be getting one scum. Precisely why I'm still thinking this is the best play. It's looking like it will be 10-3 going into night 3, and I'm perfectly fine with that. We lose a dt in the process, but I think with other blues still out there we should be fine. | ||
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On March 26 2012 04:01 chaoser wrote: Er, I don't know if you know but miller isn't a role. Thus you can't really "claim" miller since you don't know yourself if you are a miller or not. If you really did "check" acro then you shouldn't be able to tell if he's a miller or if he got framed or if he's straight up mafia. The fact that you didn't even mention the notion of him being framed is interesting...why did you go straight to telling him he's an idiot for "not claiming miller"? Aside from Acro, if he was unlynchable today, who do you think is scummy? Sorry didn't see this. Zealos is looking like he's trying to portray really dumb townie, Mattchew is looking like he's trying to portray smart townie, and Greymist feels to me like he set up this whole pain train on me when he accused me of buddying him (when it's p clear that I never did with exception of saying only idiots would take his lynch wbg statement seriously) | ||
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Risen
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On March 26 2012 05:21 Zealos wrote: Risen first, when he inevitably flips vanilla scum we can move on. EBWOP: And he solidifies his "really dumb townie" position well here (If I didn't make it clear in my previous post I think he's scum, I think Mattchew is scum, and I think Greymist is scum). He'll OMGUS me once I'm lynched and be in the clear. He deserves looking into tonight, imo. | ||
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It's my fault I fell for his night-shot claim, and I feel bad for it. I'm sorry, but once the cat was out of the bag I felt the only way to give town a fighting chance was to force the 10-3 following my lynch (again, I still think it's more logical when you think about it to lynch acro, but apparently I'm wrong) | ||
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On March 26 2012 05:31 Zealos wrote: Sure, whoever is cop can look into me. Risen, your post reeks of irony talking of a really dumb townie. Considering you still claim you are DT, you must be either terrible at the role, or what I believe, that you are scum. You sure started that OMGUS quick. | ||
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On March 26 2012 05:37 Zealos wrote: Oh dear dear, where to start. One you were the first to OMGUS when you called me as a really bad townie, at which point I responded by saying you are not bad, but instead scum. But instead of reading the content of my post, you tried to deflect the nature of my argument, solidifying your position as scum. You should stop posting. When I flip town DT you're going to be in some hot water if you're a townie... | ||
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On March 26 2012 05:39 wherebugsgo wrote: You've scumslipped every time you've been in an exchange with...well, anyone. That's pretty sad, since half the time it was me pressuring you. For the record, I WAS roleblocked, and my kill of Risen was prevented. No one counterclaimed roleblock; you can actually believe me on this one. That's one of at least a dozen reasons to lynch Risen. I'm really confused by your play. You know I'm going to flip town DT, why are you going so hard on me being scum? | ||
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On March 26 2012 05:41 Zealos wrote: It really feels like you are clutching at straws at this point. Earlier you were saying it was best if we lynch you and acro? Now you're just trying to defend yourself? I'm still hoping when town wakes up they will look at Mattchew's posts and think that oh hey, yeah it's probably better to lynch acro day 2 and the guaranteed scum Risen if he flips town day 3. Instead we're lynching the town DT day 2 and scum acro day 3. I think option 1 is a lot more logical, but apparently I'm missing something. Apparently presenting all options to town (saying what to do if I flip scum) is scummy. I thought it was pro-town. | ||
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On March 26 2012 05:46 Zealos wrote: I don't understand why you keep using the DT argument as your defense when there is literally no way for anyone to verify that, so it is a null point. So far, you have seemed more scum that acro, hence my vote for you. I'm just confused, I didn't think my play wasn't pro-town since my claims were so easy to check. We lynch acro and you get guaranteed scum on day 3. That isn't bad, is it? In a game with only 4 scum dropping them to 3 by the end of day 3 is decent positioning imo, and tbh I really am having a hard time understanding why people are voting for the guy who openly claimed and told everyone what his check was instead of the guy who hasn't claimed anything. In a normal game without the third party threatening to shoot me I wouldn't have panicked. It's my fault we're in the position we are in, and I acknowledge that. | ||
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On March 26 2012 05:57 wherebugsgo wrote: Mostly in the post I quoted it's the idea that you should never lynch a claimed role first. This is precisely why TL towns get destroyed by fake claims and why I suggested in the postgame of C9++ that the scum team should have fake claimed cop. Anyone can claim anything at anytime. You don't just believe it solely based on them saying they're what they say they are when under pressure. In fact, the simple way that Risen says "lynch acro, and if I'm wrong lynch me" tells you that he's mafia. He doesn't outline the reasons he's a townie. He doesn't give the breadcrumb of his check (he says he breadcrumbed his role...which anyone can do, look at my claim from Mini X) and so he could just be making shit up. Acro has acted far more town-like to the pressure and by all means he looks town. But risen doesn't even consider the fact that acro could be miller or framed until it's pointed out that it looks bad that he isn't considering it. Then he panics and overcompensates by saying "oh you should've claimed miller" which is just hilariously bad. I think your argument ignores the fact that C9++ didn't have an all-knowing third party pressure. | ||
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On March 26 2012 06:01 Zealos wrote: Because day 2 claims don't verify town whatsoever. And lynching you now and then acro tomorrow if you flip DT means we still get the mafia hit. Also, if acro is mafia, then the whole of the mafia team now know you are DT, so you are pretty dead anyways. Sure you still get the mafia hit, but now mafia doesn't have to spend shots night 2 on me since I'm positive the town doc would protect me (means mafia has to double stack their shots on me). On top of this you get to use your day 3 lynch on someone who you think is scummy come day 3. Easy logic. I think you're really scummy and I hope you aren't town since you're pretty much getting lynched day 4/5/6 at this point depending on how much hate lurkers accrue over the course of the next few days (real-life days) | ||
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On March 26 2012 06:13 wherebugsgo wrote: The fact that Risen has to jump to unqualified assumptions about everything in order for his story to make the least bit of sense in his own head should be enough for any reasonable person to determine that he's scum. In fact, his own logic is self contradictory. He claims that I am all-knowing and that I somehow knew he was a DT. At the same time he claims he knows that it would be in my best interest to keep town power and mafia power roughly equal. (I do believe I said it myself, though why would Risen take me seriously?) By that logic, I insist that it means I have a vested interest in finding scum because town is already down by 4 players. Thus, it makes it FAR more likely that Risen is scum, not town (a fact Risen accidentally supported himself). Yet, Risen resorts to the untenable argument that he must be town because I want town/mafia power to be equal. If I knew risen were town I wouldn't be pushing him for lynch at this point, by that logic. I'd much rather kill scum. Not true at all. 8-3 at the start of Day 4 is perfect for you. I still think everything I've said is perfectly logical, there won't be any swaying me from that. I fucked up by responding to your claim of being able to shoot me, but now that we're in this shitty position we might as well make the best of it. Lynch me tonight or tomorrow and acro tonight or tomorrow. I'm done discussing this because town needs to now focus on who to lynch Day 3 (should I not be lynched, and when acro flips red, since a town acro is auto-lynch me day 3) or Day 4 if I'm lynched first, since acro is the auto-lynch Day 3. I'm going to reread through Greymist, Mattchew, Zealos filters soon. Still think a Day 3/4 lynch of Lyter is perfectly acceptable. | ||
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Risen
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On March 26 2012 06:20 Zealos wrote: There we go, so why no Mattchew check? Was hoping for a rolechecker to look at him. Almost positive isn't the same as positive. | ||
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On March 26 2012 06:29 Zealos wrote: On a game with no rolecheckers? Your defense is getting really weak. Whoops. Had no idea there wasn't a rolechecker, didn't remember all the roles and didn't bother doublechecking. Oh well. I don't really need a defense Zealos. I'm going to be lynched tonight and acro is going to be lynched tomorrow. Move on. | ||
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On March 27 2012 13:12 wherebugsgo wrote: ok so we kill acrofales now. easy peasy lemon squeezy.  ARRIVEDERCI TOWN! Godspeed :D | ||
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On April 05 2012 13:03 DoYouHas wrote: I still don't understand how Risen got lynched over Acro when he claimed DT with a scumcheck. Given that Acro would almost certainly not have been framed, he had to be either a miller or scum or Risen is lying. If it is the latter then you just did a 1 for 1 and you are happy. To me lynching Acro was the only logical course of action. What turned Alderan into scum in my eyes was this post: Not only was he ignoring what I saw as the obvious course of action, he was proposing that the next day Greymist should be lynched, ignoring the possibility that Acro would be convicted by Risen happening to tell the truth. I was so sure I was going to be vindicated in that read, oh well... I was under the same impression as you. I now know town doesn't act logically. Whatevs, bad play from me to claim in response to wbg saying he was shooting me. Live and learn. | ||
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