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But I don't know. You could be lying but you could be telling the truth. It's too early to say which is more likely. But I've got an eye on you. | ||
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Is there anything I can say to you for me to further establish my innocence in your (viscera) eyes? | ||
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It has to do with the way he posts...he's attacking someone who accused him rather than being defensive with his words. If he knows hes innocent he has nothing to hide. The way I see it, he's thinking "if someones already accusing me, he must be scum". Of course, I could be overthinking things. But this isn't concrete evidence, and will probably change after different events. | ||
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I'm vanilla town, if that changes anyones opinion. | ||
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I'm vanilla town, and lynching me won't help anything. But if you think otherwise, lynch me and you'll find it was a waste of lynch. | ||
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On March 18 2012 10:19 xsksc wrote: Why would it change my opinnion? My problem is with your posting, not your role, lol. I didn't think it would, but I figure I'll just say my role now that the eye is on me. | ||
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On March 18 2012 10:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Yet you seem to know enough to immediately backpedal on a read because "then you'd be a prime lynch candidate". Why is that again, exactly? i dont want to die | ||
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On March 18 2012 14:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Some of the best moves I've seen scum make have been by newer players in their first scum game, don't tell me what his scummates will let him do. Go read XLVIII, Toadesstern, being one of the resident newer player scum members on the team, fake-claimed Doctor and introduced enough doubt into the town to help power through 2 no-lynches before we threw it all in at the end. This was after being advised against doing such a thing. And you're telling me that you believe that not even 3 hours into the game, scum are dictating what their potential "newer players" are typing in-thread? Something tells me you haven't played scum many times here. At any rate, good luck with defending the indefensible, because as little reason as you think I have to be attacking him, that's exactly as little reason you have for defending him unless you know something I don't. You say he's a new player - I say I'm calling out new player scum mistakes. Now if you're done, I've got a scum to lynch. you seem VERY intent on lynching me... but you have a good point, if i were scum i would be more like a puppet anyways. but i dont think if i was scum that my scum-mates would want me to get lynched first day. | ||
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On March 19 2012 01:34 jcarlsoniv wrote: I've found out that, when put under pressure, johnnywup has been very keen on trying to clear his name, claiming he's just vanilla townie, and being very defensive in general. If he REALLY wants people to look elsewhere, he needs to start scumhunting for his own sake instead of just trying to be innocent. Innocent people don't feel the need to be innocent. Guilty people do. Of course I'm being defensive. Why would I want to die no matter what role I am? And about the scumhunting, I really have no clue who is scum at this point, I really would give reads if I had any. On March 19 2012 03:23 xsksc wrote: 1) My only behaviour after calling him out was my reponse to VE, in which I say I'm going to wait and see how the rest of the day plays out. 2) What is it a pre-emptive defense of, exactly? You can rush into whatever you want, but I'm going to wait and see how he posts for the rest of the day. Is that a scum trait? I've already said I will vote for his lynch, if we don't find someone more likely to flip scum. My "stance" never changed. 3) We do have plenty of time, keep in mind this was just a few hours after the game had started, we only had a few people posting. In my post that contains the "meat of your suspicions", I tell VE to put the breaks on a bit. I go on to say why I won't be joining his vote crusade until I've seen more of johnnys posts. Now, for whatever reason, you see it that I'm scummy because of this and you think that Johnny is a scared townie. Why then, would I wait and keep an open mind? Why doesn't scum xsk just throw an extremely easy vote on an extremely easy bandwagon? Because I'm town bro. 4) I ignored them because they're baseless. I've never been wishy-washy. My opinnion does not just change when I'm called out about it, like johnnys did. I don't care if it's unpopular. I would believe that he is 100% scum just from his responses to pressure IF it wasn't his first game, it sucks that we have to account for that, but we do, new players can make giant errors of judgement. I'm going to wait and see how he posts in the second part of day before I make my mind up. That's not being wishy-washy, it's being sensible. As for the last part, I didn't mean to imply that you are stupid, I think your case is stupid however, especially now that I'm seeing where the meat of it originated. I did not sidestep anything, I have nothing to pre-emptively defend from, and my stance on the matter should already be pretty obvious. Now, I'd LOVE to know your reasons for being so sure that johnny is town, please. Because no, you haven't stated why, all you've said was this. Why do you believe he is a newbie town and not a newbie mafia by the way he reacted? Let's roll with your example, why is he a deer and not a wolf? Both can be caught in headlights. For the sake of argument, it's very possible that I'm a newb wolf caught in headlights. But if I was scum why would my scum-mates allow me to get killed first day? | ||
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But the thing is, when I was questioned about my opinions I felt attacked, wrongly or rightly, but I did. So I tried to back off, as I didn't feel that strongly about what I said, I was just trying to be helpful where I could. And of course, that led to a lot of red flags from people, so I tried to show that I didn't feel strongly about it which raised more red flags..so I didn't know what to do. I was put in a situation where any newb town would be struggling, and here I am. I don't know what to say at this point, because no matter what I say people are going to be accusing me of being scum when I am not. I honestly don't know who could be town or scum at this point, so I'm not very helpful there. So there, that's my thought process during this situation. I didn't know it would lead down this path, but it did, so here I am, trying to clear my head. So keep trying to lynch me, but it's a waste of lynch, you'll get a vanilla townie and you'll get no information from any of this. | ||
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you think VE is scum because hes dictating the conversation? | ||
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##unvote no-lynch ##vote tobon | ||
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I feel like sloosh is more scummy than you in my eyes. VE is very...neutral. its very hard to read him. he's dictating conversations and his opinions seem to be valued more than anyone elses. He could be a mafia trying to get hold of the town, or he could be a townie being honest. What about you? | ||
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And Jackal is certainly someone to keep an eye on. | ||
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On March 18 2012 09:18 VisceraEyes wrote: When I said Jackal was 'feigning' a read, I meant that he was, as Jackal said, 'yanking my chain'...that while I can see him thinking that the way I'm playing is "off" (this is a new style I'm trying out) he didn't really come to the ultimate conclusion that I'm scum based on my posts, and that he was instead faking a red-read on me to guage my reaction to the pressure. Because you're wrong, not only scum 'fake reads'...scum have to make 'fake cases' but both town and scum can 'fake reads' for any number of reasons. The main case against your lynch of VE is that he's trying a new style, which by default makes his posts very different than other games | ||
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On March 18 2012 15:54 Tobon wrote: That important message having been said, at the moment I'm with Nemesis and slOosh. Johnnywup's behavior is coming across to me as townie deer in headlights, rather than amphibian-god-napping scum. On the other hand, grilling the newb to get some sort of reaction is very positive townie behavior as well. Hmph. I don't trust my own reads much. I think we'll get the most real solid info out of the voting for day 1, as long as we avoid a no-lynch. So I plan to bandwagon on whomever can get close to enough votes. All your reads are likely to be better than mine, and that way I can hopefully prove my town-itude by being a deciding vote on a scum slaying. he wants to lynch anyone then he goes from thinking im innocent to not being against killing me On March 19 2012 06:15 Tobon wrote: And what I said was that if it came down to it, that I'd rather bandwagon than allow a no-lynch, because I believe a no-lynch to be a big waste of time. You'll notice that I haven't actually voted for or tried to push the case against anyone with lynch votes yet. But yes, if just as the current example, Johnnywup has the most votes but no majority and we're near the end of the day, I'd add my vote to try to get a lynch rather than leaving a no-lynch. he thinks im innocent but is willing to kill me just to kill someone. scummy as hell. On March 19 2012 07:20 Tobon wrote: Initially, I thought that VE was pressuring Johnny to gain info, and even though I find Johnny's response a null read (can't tell whether it's newbie town or newbie scum - I can identify with his reaction being a newb myself either way), that seemed good townie behavior. then he goes back on his read on me being innocent On March 19 2012 10:11 Tobon wrote: I'll find scum, or die trying (haha). Meanwhile, since it's generally agreed that sandroba is almost assuredly town, and because my rereading of the general guide just now says indecision and lack of finger-pointing is generally seen as scummy, I will decisively point my finger the same direction he did. ##vote Jackal58 votes to lynch someone without any reason because he thinks not voting makes him seem scummy. that's why i'm voting for tobon to be lynched. | ||
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On March 19 2012 14:35 Tobon wrote: Because, frankly, I expect other people who are more experienced to be better at this than I am. And because the mafia get their kill no matter what, so time is a wasting. And so, if I'm not actually _against_ a certain person being lynched, and six of my other townmates have been convinced, I'm going to trust in their collective judgement. I don't understand this perspective. If you have an opinion, you fight for it. If you think someones a townie, then you say so. If you think someones scum, then you try lynch them. But you don't do either, you'll lynch who other people think is scum, even if you don't think so? You're disregarding yourself as a role in town, which makes me think you aren't town. | ||
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And you haven't given me a reason to think you aren't scum. | ||
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##unvote tobon | ||
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And everyone, why was Snarfs becoming a big target? Because hes acting different than another game? I don't see that as enough evidence. | ||
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On March 20 2012 04:35 Dirkzor wrote: The problem I see in your filter xsksc is that while you are active and discussing with people you never seem to reach any conclusion. I know that its early and no reads are 99% solid at this point but you haven't produced anything. You've just been active. You've just downplayed your own vote on Sloosh by saying you found him scummy only by his own logic. What about your own logic? You appear to post thoughts on the game while not writing anything conclusive so you don't have to change your mind later. I think that that doesn't downplay his vote, it makes it stronger by revealing hypocrisy. I'm neutral on xsksc. I think it's too early to know if we should lynch or not. | ||
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I'm still leaning towards voting for tobon | ||
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##vote Snarfs | ||
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##vote Jackal58 going to side with (basically) confirmed townie. | ||
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And you yourself said we were bandwagoning too fast. You doubted your vote. So just because other people doubted the vote on jackal and didn't vote on him is suddenly scummy? By that logic you're just as scummy as those who didn't vote for him. | ||
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On March 20 2012 06:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Well...that was fast. We're either all on the same wavelength or this wagon was too fast. -.- My brain hurts. I hope we're doing the right thing. You're doubting your vote but you keep it because it's going to be lynch. then On March 20 2012 09:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Check scum instead. I have nothing to fear from a check, and with hitting scum D1, we have a check to spare...but I think the list of non-Jackal-voters is a good enough list to DT into. But that's just my opinion, and it's heavily biased with the information I have (my alignment.) you say the wagon was too fast yet you think that those who didn't vote are candidates for scum. maybe they were on the same boat as you, his lynching came too fast and there weren't that many facts there so they withheld their vote (as opposed to you who voted anyways). Now jackal happened to be mafia. You and non-voters were on the same boat of the vote going too fast without that much substance to base it off. So thinking the non-voters are scum is thinking you yourself are scum. | ||
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I hadn't thought about you not lynching would be a no lynch, and that takes away pretty much all my argument, so you're on the clear for now (in my eyes). | ||
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But now after reading your defense post, the idea of non-jackal voters being scum looks more attractive to me. | ||
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not sure if scum or OMGUS | ||
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lets say they are scum.. it's basically suicide for both of them if one is scum...which is why we won't DT, because we both know that. So could it be possible theyre scum pulling our strings because they know we wont DT them? | ||
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to be fair, there was no clear lynchpin at the time. the last 10 minutes really bandwagoned into lynching jackal | ||
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Of Probulous, Nemesis, and Sloosh, I think sloosh looks most scum-like. (for his unvote among other things mentioned) | ||
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facts are against you son | ||
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and either sloosh or VE are basically confirmed scum now, right? | ||
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On March 20 2012 04:08 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote: We disagree about johnnywub, (BL thinks he scummy LB thinks the case against him was empty and that he is not scummy) We both think Jackal looks about as scummy as he typically does BL thinks Tobon looks scummy and LB cant find a reason to disagree LB thinks that scum tend to call out bullshit on claims and that we should lynch one of the first people to respond to a Vanilla town or mason claim, so that is Nemesis or Probulous. + Show Spoiler + laya was also pissed that BL called johnwubs vt claim suspicious I am sure BL agrees about this last point /laya this post was the first post by TIPD indicating suspicion on jackal...only 2 hours before the "bandwagon" started.. | ||
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so yeah, sandrobas vote. | ||
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On March 22 2012 08:19 Probulous wrote: Does everyone else understand what VE is saying? not really, this is way over my head right now @_@ i'll vote for whoever sand votes for, really.. also TIPD what the fuck have you done all game anyways? post randomly about who you think is scum and whos inno, and then vote occasionally? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST anyways...my list in order from scummiest to least scummy slOosh Probulous TIPD Nemesis xsksc Tobon Snarfs Dirkzor VE sandroba me ofc and I think slOosh is best bet for hitting scum in todays lynch. | ||
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On March 22 2012 13:56 wherebugsgo wrote: jcarlsoniv, town Mason has been modkilled. + Show Spoiler + biatch I modkilled you! looooooooooooooool i love you WBG | ||
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On March 22 2012 08:19 Probulous wrote: VE I don't understand your case. I am scum because I didn't think you were mafia after you voted for Jackal? What is wrong with my reasoning because it still makes sense to me?Votes > words in my opinion. Explain this to me because I am completely at a loss as to why this makes me scum. I am town and have followed the same logic I use every game so if there is something fundamentally wrong in my thinking, point it out. Otherwise I am going to get mis-lynched again. Does everyone else understand what VE is saying? On March 22 2012 10:11 Probulous wrote: You "Jackal is clearly town" TIPD "Jackal always lurks Day 1 and this is scummy" Big difference in my mind. i thought votes>words? TIPD voted for jackal as well, so why doesnt that confirm him? + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 10:30 Probulous wrote: Ok let me explain that quote nice and simply because obviously I am not making myself clear. here (Klicky) they say this Which says what exactly? That Jackal typically looks scummy? How is that not a soft-defense? They are saying he looks scummy most of the time. His lurking is "typically" scummy so why should they vote for him. If they thought he was scummy they would have said "Jackal looks scummy", not that he typically looks scummy. That word changes the whole meaning of the sentence. Then four people vote for him and suddenly it becomes this (Klicky) Which can be summed up as "Jackal has been useless". How is this not his "typically" scummy play? I'll tell you how, four other people have started a wagon that's how. hm? i thought #5 was pretty early? On March 22 2012 09:52 Probulous wrote: The only thing going for TIPD right now is their vote on Jackal. It was pretty early (5th vote) and most people who voted for him seemed to bandwagon sandroba. I could easily see them being bussing Jackal to avoid suspicion today. I am more comfortable with a slOosh lynch because of his unvote, but if he is getting let off (why?) than TIPD is our lynch target today. as well as what other people have brought up ##unvote slOosh ##vote Probulous | ||
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anyways i guess we just wait for the end of the day for now...dont think anythings gonna change till end of day | ||
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see On March 20 2012 03:11 Tobon wrote: That's interesting. He's right, the title in my role PM does say "Vanilla Towny" rather than "Town". Is that exact role name public anywhere else? If not, then I may have to reconsider Snarfs.... | ||
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On March 23 2012 06:43 Probulous wrote:You chose voluntarily to unvote which meant you never intended on following through. My case didn't add up and so I unvoted once you had made it clear that you knew your case was bad didn't he say that he planned on lynching me but the support wasn't there? :x | ||
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His story makes sense to me. Some inconsistencies but nothing that really shouts that he's super scummy. ##vote slOosh | ||
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And I think slOosh is more scummy generally. | ||
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The roleblock really did do it for me, theres absolutely no reason for someone with, apparently, no role besides vt, to make it up. So if sloosh was scum, why would he bother saying something like that if hes being suspected? it doesnt make sense. only explanation is town, from the way i see it. also, ghost D: | ||
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so slOosh VE Snarfs Sandroba Me Tobon TIPD xsksc Nemesis Dirkzor I thought TIPD was suspicious but theres no way i see a scum voting to kill their godfather | ||
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It just seems like its impossible to win for scum if they lose their GF at this stage. We way outnumber them and have the power role lead almost definitely. They can't afford to lose anyone. | ||
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On March 23 2012 07:34 VisceraEyes wrote: The vote was decided in the last minute AGAIN sir...the last scum could have been voting for Probulous not thinking he'd get lynched or something...hiding from the mislynch or something. It happens bro, don't rule anything out. true. but this basically confirms me and snarfs because we voted at the same time so we didn't see each others posts | ||
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On March 23 2012 07:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Also consider that we may have a medic up in here, so that's something that could account for missing KP. *shrug* So many ways to win, IT'S HARD TO PICK JUST ONE! what do you mean missing kp? theres been one night, so one kill, right? unless i misunderstand something :0 | ||
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On March 23 2012 07:51 slOosh wrote: Like, if no one dies at night it could be that the mafia was roleblocked or a medic healed. oh i thought he meant that there was already missing KP | ||
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On March 23 2012 07:52 Dirkzor wrote:Nemesis is someone who has to die before lylo. Blue roles do your job! what? we're no where NEAR lylo...quite the opposite really.. | ||
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On March 23 2012 07:59 Dirkzor wrote: I know. But my statement is still valid. Even is Nemesis is town how can you justify lynching anyone else then him giving how day 1 + 2 went down? i wasn't talking about that at all. I was talking about the "...is someone who has to die before lylo". Which is an absurd statement considering its likely we have 1 scum left. Why should we be worried about lylo? | ||
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On March 23 2012 08:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Because NOW we have the mislynches to spare. Later on we won't. We either kill him tomorrow, or we don't...but if we don't and we mislynch, then that's one less mislynch to spare in case he IS town and killing him is a mislynch. We have to have an extra mislynch in case he's town. i'm not saying we shouldn't lynch nemesis. i think hes definitely the person to lynch in day. i was just confused on why he was talking about lylo in the stage we're in right now. :S | ||
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letter by letter! don't get overwhelmed... the first letter is a T, sounds like "tee", as in t-shirt. Then comes an I (be careful with this one, if you're not careful it can look like it's not a letter at all because it's in between lines!), sounded like an eye (hint: you have 2 of them on your face). Of course, after that it's easy, with a P (think urination) then a D (you should know this one by yourself!). Then you realize you're all done and you're done spelling TIPD! | ||
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On March 23 2012 13:43 Snarfs wrote: Seems like a scum claim to me. Doesn't to me. DT checks probulous, he comes out inno, GF doesn't get lynched. is that enough evidence to support lynching TIPD over nemesis? Maybe. I'm not sure. | ||
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/stuck out of a mafia game for a while because of this I wanted to join GoT Mafia ): edit: I suppose Sum of all Fears signup is up... BTW: i wanna thank toad and WBG for being great hosts!! | ||
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And yes, there was a Y in my PM. Original Message From Toadesstern: You are a Vanilla Towny You are a simpleton villager. Your job is to rid the town of all mafia. You're also seriously badass. | ||
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