C9++ Mini Mafia

On March 18 2012 10:19 xsksc wrote:


Why would it change my opinnion? My problem is with your posting, not your role, lol.

On March 18 2012 10:42 VisceraEyes wrote:


Yet you seem to know enough to immediately backpedal on a read because "then you'd be a prime lynch candidate". Why is that again, exactly?

On March 18 2012 14:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Some of the best moves I've seen scum make have been by newer players in their first scum game, don't tell me what his scummates will let him do.

Go read XLVIII, Toadesstern, being one of the resident newer player scum members on the team, fake-claimed Doctor and introduced enough doubt into the town to help power through 2 no-lynches before we threw it all in at the end. This was after being advised against doing such a thing.

And you're telling me that you believe that not even 3 hours into the game, scum are dictating what their potential "newer players" are typing in-thread? Something tells me you haven't played scum many times here.

At any rate, good luck with defending the indefensible, because as little reason as you think I have to be attacking him, that's exactly as little reason you have for defending him unless you know something I don't. You say he's a new player - I say I'm calling out new player scum mistakes.

Now if you're done, I've got a scum to lynch.

On March 19 2012 01:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:


I've found out that, when put under pressure, johnnywup has been very keen on trying to clear his name, claiming he's just vanilla townie, and being very defensive in general. If he REALLY wants people to look elsewhere, he needs to start scumhunting for his own sake instead of just trying to be innocent.

Innocent people don't feel the need to be innocent. Guilty people do.

On March 19 2012 03:23 xsksc wrote:


1) My only behaviour after calling him out was my reponse to VE, in which I say I'm going to wait and see how the rest of the day plays out.

2) What is it a pre-emptive defense of, exactly? You can rush into whatever you want, but I'm going to wait and see how he posts for the rest of the day. Is that a scum trait?
I've already said I will vote for his lynch, if we don't find someone more likely to flip scum. My "stance" never changed.

3) We do have plenty of time, keep in mind this was just a few hours after the game had started, we only had a few people posting. In my post that contains the "meat of your suspicions", I tell VE to put the breaks on a bit. I go on to say why I won't be joining his vote crusade until I've seen more of johnnys posts. Now, for whatever reason, you see it that I'm scummy because of this and you think that Johnny is a scared townie. Why then, would I wait and keep an open mind? Why doesn't scum xsk just throw an extremely easy vote on an extremely easy bandwagon? Because I'm town bro.

4) I ignored them because they're baseless. I've never been wishy-washy. My opinnion does not just change when I'm called out about it, like johnnys did. I don't care if it's unpopular. I would believe that he is 100% scum just from his responses to pressure IF it wasn't his first game, it sucks that we have to account for that, but we do, new players can make giant errors of judgement. I'm going to wait and see how he posts in the second part of day before I make my mind up. That's not being wishy-washy, it's being sensible.

As for the last part, I didn't mean to imply that you are stupid, I think your case is stupid however, especially now that I'm seeing where the meat of it originated.
I did not sidestep anything, I have nothing to pre-emptively defend from, and my stance on the matter should already be pretty obvious.

Now, I'd LOVE to know your reasons for being so sure that johnny is town, please. Because no, you haven't stated why, all you've said was this.
Why do you believe he is a newbie town and not a newbie mafia by the way he reacted? Let's roll with your example, why is he a deer and not a wolf? Both can be caught in headlights.

On March 18 2012 09:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
When I said Jackal was 'feigning' a read, I meant that he was, as Jackal said, 'yanking my chain'...that while I can see him thinking that the way I'm playing is "off" (this is a new style I'm trying out) he didn't really come to the ultimate conclusion that I'm scum based on my posts, and that he was instead faking a red-read on me to guage my reaction to the pressure. Because you're wrong, not only scum 'fake reads'...scum have to make 'fake cases' but both town and scum can 'fake reads' for any number of reasons.

On March 18 2012 15:54 Tobon wrote:
That important message having been said, at the moment I'm with Nemesis and slOosh. Johnnywup's behavior is coming across to me as townie deer in headlights, rather than amphibian-god-napping scum. On the other hand, grilling the newb to get some sort of reaction is very positive townie behavior as well. Hmph. I don't trust my own reads much.

I think we'll get the most real solid info out of the voting for day 1, as long as we avoid a no-lynch. So I plan to bandwagon on whomever can get close to enough votes. All your reads are likely to be better than mine, and that way I can hopefully prove my town-itude by being a deciding vote on a scum slaying.

On March 19 2012 06:15 Tobon wrote:


And what I said was that if it came down to it, that I'd rather bandwagon than allow a no-lynch, because I believe a no-lynch to be a big waste of time. You'll notice that I haven't actually voted for or tried to push the case against anyone with lynch votes yet. But yes, if just as the current example, Johnnywup has the most votes but no majority and we're near the end of the day, I'd add my vote to try to get a lynch rather than leaving a no-lynch.

On March 19 2012 07:20 Tobon wrote:
Initially, I thought that VE was pressuring Johnny to gain info, and even though I find Johnny's response a null read (can't tell whether it's newbie town or newbie scum - I can identify with his reaction being a newb myself either way), that seemed good townie behavior.

On March 19 2012 10:11 Tobon wrote:
I'll find scum, or die trying (haha). Meanwhile, since it's generally agreed that sandroba is almost assuredly town, and because my rereading of the general guide just now says indecision and lack of finger-pointing is generally seen as scummy, I will decisively point my finger the same direction he did.

##vote Jackal58

On March 19 2012 14:35 Tobon wrote:

Because, frankly, I expect other people who are more experienced to be better at this than I am. And because the mafia get their kill no matter what, so time is a wasting. And so, if I'm not actually _against_ a certain person being lynched, and six of my other townmates have been convinced, I'm going to trust in their collective judgement.

On March 20 2012 04:35 Dirkzor wrote:
The problem I see in your filter xsksc is that while you are active and discussing with people you never seem to reach any conclusion. I know that its early and no reads are 99% solid at this point but you haven't produced anything. You've just been active.

You've just downplayed your own vote on Sloosh by saying you found him scummy only by his own logic. What about your own logic?

You appear to post thoughts on the game while not writing anything conclusive so you don't have to change your mind later.

On March 20 2012 06:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well...that was fast. We're either all on the same wavelength or this wagon was too fast.

-.-

My brain hurts. I hope we're doing the right thing.

On March 20 2012 09:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
Check scum instead. I have nothing to fear from a check, and with hitting scum D1, we have a check to spare...but I think the list of non-Jackal-voters is a good enough list to DT into. But that's just my opinion, and it's heavily biased with the information I have (my alignment.)

On March 20 2012 04:08 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote:
We disagree about johnnywub, (BL thinks he scummy LB thinks the case against him was empty and that he is not scummy)

We both think Jackal looks about as scummy as he typically does

BL thinks Tobon looks scummy and LB cant find a reason to disagree

LB thinks that scum tend to call out bullshit on claims and that we should lynch one of the first people to respond to a Vanilla town or mason claim, so that is Nemesis or Probulous.
+ Show Spoiler +
I am sure BL agrees about this last point

/laya

On March 22 2012 08:19 Probulous wrote:
Does everyone else understand what VE is saying?

On March 20 2012 03:11 Tobon wrote:


That's interesting. He's right, the title in my role PM does say "Vanilla Towny" rather than "Town". Is that exact role name public anywhere else? If not, then I may have to reconsider Snarfs....

On March 23 2012 06:43 Probulous wrote:You chose voluntarily to unvote which meant you never intended on following through. My case didn't add up and so I unvoted once you had made it clear that you knew your case was bad

On March 23 2012 07:28 VisceraEyes wrote:


Why is that not possible?

On March 23 2012 07:34 VisceraEyes wrote:


The vote was decided in the last minute AGAIN sir...the last scum could have been voting for Probulous not thinking he'd get lynched or something...hiding from the mislynch or something. It happens bro, don't rule anything out.

On March 23 2012 07:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Also consider that we may have a medic up in here, so that's something that could account for missing KP. *shrug*

So many ways to win, IT'S HARD TO PICK JUST ONE!

On March 23 2012 07:51 slOosh wrote:

Like, if no one dies at night it could be that the mafia was roleblocked or a medic healed.

On March 23 2012 07:52 Dirkzor wrote:Nemesis is someone who has to die before lylo. Blue roles do your job!

On March 23 2012 07:59 Dirkzor wrote:

I know. But my statement is still valid. Even is Nemesis is town how can you justify lynching anyone else then him giving how day 1 + 2 went down?

On March 23 2012 08:03 VisceraEyes wrote:


Because NOW we have the mislynches to spare. Later on we won't. We either kill him tomorrow, or we don't...but if we don't and we mislynch, then that's one less mislynch to spare in case he IS town and killing him is a mislynch. We have to have an extra mislynch in case he's town.

On March 23 2012 10:37 slOosh wrote:

How do you read TIPD?

On March 23 2012 13:43 Snarfs wrote:
Seems like a scum claim to me.

Original Message From Toadesstern:
You are a Vanilla Towny

You are a simpleton villager. Your job is to rid the town of all mafia. You're also seriously badass.