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My scum play is badass - if I were scum you wouldn't have any idea Nemesis. 
But you're wrong STILL because my scum play is in NO WAY irrational. Maybe you can share a few links? Maybe you can say what games you're referring to when you say my scum game is "irrational"? Maybe you're just talking out of your ass because you've never played any games with me ever?
Who knows. I don't. I also don't care. If I'm alive tomorrow and you want to waste your vote AGAIN, town will punish you for it...providing they don't punish you for wasting your vote yesterday. It'd be much easier if you just accept the fact that you could be wrong (you are) and keep looking. EVEN IF YOU'RE RIGHT, I'm not going to be the only scum left. Look elsewhere. I promise you're wasting your time. Pinky swear, bro. m/
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1) The "confirmed town" bit was because he came into the thread super-aggressive. If you were around for that post, would that not have immediately given you a town read on Jackal?
2) See 1. I had a town read on him because of the level of aggressiveness. Go look at his first post in his scum games Sandroba.
3) I made a judgement call on jdub, and TO THIS MOMENT I feel like it was the right thing to do. I don't regret making the case on johnny, first of all it generated good discussion about what should/shouldn't be considered scummy and it ultimately gave me a certain level of thread-presence which has carried me all the way here.
4) I wouldn't say "spreading doubt" on your claim is entirely accurate or fair...you came in here saying you're "confirmed town"...but you're NOT Sandroba. In exactly the same way that Jackal wasn't confirmed town when I called him confirmed town, you're not confirmed town when you say you're confirmed town. Yes, it's VERY unlikely that scum would gambit claiming Masons, and I at no point thought that's what was happening...but if I'm being held to a standard, shouldn't you as well?
5) I was asking YOU about the wagon Sand, I wanted your opinion on the speed of it. It scared me how fast Jackal got run up the pole, and if that didn't worry you then I've got a whole different beef with you.
Anything else I can clarify Sand?
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The thing that makes it the most unlikely is this: if one of them flips (via vig or DT check or lynch or WHATEVER) then the other is instantly implicated. Instantly. Because in order for it to work, they BOTH have to be scum...or whichever one isn't scum could be all 'Uhh...no, that's a lie' right? So either they're both masons (because they've confirmed in-thread) or they're both scum. And in a setup where DTs AND vigs are a possibility, it would have to be some effing ballsy scum to pull a gambit like that.
That's what Sandroba meant by "confirmed town"...but regardless of the probability of it, it's still POSSIBLE, so he's actually not strictly speaking "confirmed".
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On March 20 2012 12:14 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 12:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
The thing that makes it the most unlikely is this: if one of them flips (via vig or DT check or lynch or WHATEVER) then the other is instantly implicated. Instantly. Because in order for it to work, they BOTH have to be scum...or whichever one isn't scum could be all 'Uhh...no, that's a lie' right? So either they're both masons (because they've confirmed in-thread) or they're both scum. And in a setup where DTs AND vigs are a possibility, it would have to be some effing ballsy scum to pull a gambit like that.
That's what Sandroba meant by "confirmed town"...but regardless of the probability of it, it's still POSSIBLE, so he's actually not strictly speaking "confirmed". Except for the fact that I got the whole thread to vote for jackal on my own. If that doesn't confirm me then I don't know what does.
WHATEVER YOU JUST THINK I SUCK AND CAN'T BE RIGHT EVER MEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
.....I mean, uh....
Yeah Sandroba, you're definitely not scum this game. Cheerio.
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No, we don't know how many scum are in the game. I'm actually assuming 4 based on the fact that we have 2 M's and an assumed C based on the fact that we flipped a framer. But then, most of what I know is useless because the C9++ I'm used to doesn't include framers and 50% of the possible setups include an SK. *shrug*
I'm also assuming no GF because we flipped a framer, but again, I'm blissfully ignorant in regard to balance/setup.
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Actually, if Bugs replaced the SK with Framer, there's almost guaranteed GF in the game (all but one setups with SK have a GF)...
Ugh...known setups which are actually really unknown.
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Sorry...
C9++
The link above explains the setup this game was based on...it involves choosing 7 numbers at random 1-100 and those numbers end up corresponding to letters which determine the setup.
Actually, it's not even safe to assume a DT either, because the roles are chosen at random to begin with. I mean, it seems kinda bastardmod to include a framer in a game that has no DTs, but the setup is random, so I don't know.
This works out a lot better when there aren't unknown factors.
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Yeah, I'm just idly speculating because there isn't much to do until morning. *shrug*
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On March 20 2012 01:27 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 04:19 Dirkzor wrote:Well, Johnnyboy, some are resisting the fact that you might be scum. So that defence is pretty useless at this point. While I'm not convinced about your towniness so far I'm not seeing you in red lights just yet. Personally I don't like jcarlsoniv. He seemed to jump the wagon way to quickly. Since I also think the whole case on Johnny is somewhat weak at this point doesn't help jcarlsoniv. On March 18 2012 23:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:Omg I'm alive... Damn Toad, that diagram was super informative. On March 18 2012 16:54 Dirkzor wrote:On March 18 2012 15:54 Tobon wrote:
Only one thing so far is absolutely clear: Toad_in_pink_dress is our only hope to maintain our town's historic amphibian worshipping ways, now that poor, martyred Toadesstern is no more. If there are any doctors (or better, veterinarians!) among us: know that Toad_in_pink_dress must be protected at all costs!
That important message having been said, at the moment I'm with Nemesis and slOosh. Johnnywup's behavior is coming across to me as townie deer in headlights, rather than amphibian-god-napping scum. On the other hand, grilling the newb to get some sort of reaction is very positive townie behavior as well. Hmph. I don't trust my own reads much.
I think we'll get the most real solid info out of the voting for day 1, as long as we avoid a no-lynch. So I plan to bandwagon on whomever can get close to enough votes. All your reads are likely to be better than mine, and that way I can hopefully prove my town-itude by being a deciding vote on a scum slaying. While this post contains a huge amount of fluff you actaully have a scummy stance on the game... 1) You think JW is a new townie player. 2) People grilling him are acting town by doing so 3) You don't trust your own reads - (don't worry just ask your team) 4) Think we're lynching for information 5) Will bandwagon anyone so we get a lynch 6) Push responsibility away from yourself What a bad post all in all. You are going about this all wrong. But hopefully you'll figure it out on your own. @VE: If this is your new style I liked your old one better.
Yes, awful post, but I'm getting more of a new town vibe off of it. It reminds me of my thought process when I started playing. (Assuming he's new, if he's not, then this turns into a VERY scummy post)On March 18 2012 10:28 Nemesis wrote:On March 18 2012 10:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:
##vote johnnywup
I shall join VE on this. My gut supa stronk.
Last post before I go out. DON'T HIDE YE IRISH SPIRIT Mind explaining your vote? I think that right now you guys are jumping on an easy bandwagon. johnnywup is a new player and this is his first game. Newbie mafias are more likely to lurk and be wishy washy with their post as you say. But he did take a stance that he thought jackal was town, which means that he is not avoiding the issue at all. Explain my vote, eh? Well, I voted quite early in the day. Do you know why? Because I found (and still do find) his posting to be suspicious. So I placed a vote on him. I can find out information this way. But, sorry, I didn't mean to offend you and your scum buddy. Compare what I bolded with jcarlsoniv's case on Johnny... Its the same points that I bring up against Tobon that jcarlson brings up about johnny. But when its tobon its a newbie town read and when its Johnny its a scummy read. Huh? Tobon and Jcarlsoniv are scum together. Anybody else see the problem here? Show nested quote +Personally I don't like jcarlsoniv. He seemed to jump the wagon way to quickly. Since I also think the whole case on Johnny is somewhat weak at this point doesn't help jcarlsoniv. There really was no wagon and what little of it there was could be argued jcarl started. However Dirkzor feels compelled to make more out of it than what anybody could possibly do. Plus the man really needs to start picking it up. He's posted less than I have and I spent yesterday without power. Mother nature is a bitch.
What should we make of this post? The way I see it, there are two options, and I'd like to hear which is more likely from everyone.
- Jackal is bussing a teammate during a time when his reads aren't tainted by several votes on him
- Jackal is implicating a town Dirkzor in an effort to secure a mislynch at a time when he might be listened to
For my part, I believe this was his one chance to push a mislynch through and he was trying to get it done. What about you guys?
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I was asking everyone Dirk ^^
Especially you if you're scum and feeling in a particularly honest mood. lol
No, I tend to agree with you - having been on scum teams with Jackal, he's not the biggest fan of bussing mates. Like, verbally opposing it when mentioned for the most part. Exceptions exist (he was all about bussing Sandroba in XLVIII when it became clear he wasn't playing with the rest of us) but the majority of the time, he'd much rather off a townie.
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Oh, we should decide what we want to do if the DT claim comes from the pool of non-Jackal-voters. 
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I have to say in case I die tonight, this has really been a pleasurable game. Minimal spam, good atmosphere...thanks guys.
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Also I was roleblocked. Apparently having massive thread-presence is some kind of blue-tell. lmao
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On March 21 2012 07:13 Nemesis wrote:
Ok fine, I may have been tunneling you a bit VE. I admit that I may have been wrong about you.
I'm willing to let go of lynching you, and look elsewhere for now.
Any particular reason for the change of heart?
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Can you pass me a shot of Ace, bro?
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@Nemesis
I ask because you were so tunneled in on me yesterday that you not only weren't hearing a single word I was saying to you, you were also so intent on voting me that you ignored the fact that we almost no-lynched, refusing to move your vote off me. This seems like opportunism. Is it not?
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Someone between non-Jackal-voters. I'm thinking somewhere in the Nemesis/slOosh area...but I'm going over filters and I'll give you a more definite answer in a bit.
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Sandroba, you're going to have to analyze Nemesis...I'm going to be biased because he was tunneling me all day. I'll look at slOosh and Probulous if you can look deep into the soul of Nemesis.
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Okay yeah, after rereading slOosh, I'm comfortable voting him. Important things (in my opinion) that may have already been covered:
- finds xsksc suspicious for "grilling the newbie" but not me, the original "newbie griller"
- sheeps Sandroba on Snarfs, in spite of xsksc not really responding further to slOosh's accusations (sheep > my reads)
- does not sheep Sandroba on Jackal, "because Jackal was a null read to me" (my reads > sheep)
##Vote: slOosh
For the record, this might be the fastest wagon ever. Not that it matters much at this point - we're not likely to get much resistance to any wagon we create even if it's on scum.
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EPT
