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On March 14 2012 01:02 GreYMisT wrote: The game will most likely be starting around or soon after that time. Just try to make at least a few posts so we don't have to throw you into the Aperture Science Balrog containment cell. Right I guess I could post a one-liner on my phone :D | ||
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I dont like how quickly Drazek shot VE, but it hit scum (or "3rd party") so w/e. I dont trust him though, especially considering his wincon changed. Care to claim your previous and current wincon than? I dont like MG's and Grackoni's VT claims, since this is a highly themed setup and its quite possible that VT doesnt exsist. Anyway, even if you really are a VT, why claim it? Serves no purpose for town and allows mafia to bluesnipe better. I need to take a closer look at the thread to see who I wish to elect, which I will do tomorrow. Honestly I dont really like most of the candidates for now. Another thing. I have never played with sleeper cells before, and they seem rather interesting to me. Considering that they cant communicate, does this mean that we cannot utilize link between members of the sleeper cell to nab them, or will they be given some sort of way to recognise each other? | ||
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Another thing. I have never played with sleeper cells before, and they seem rather interesting to me. Considering that they cant communicate, does this mean that we cannot utilize links between members of the sleeper cell to nab them, or will they be given some sort of way to recognise each other? typo | ||
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On March 17 2012 22:12 Drazerk wrote: I claim balrog I have to get 5 items to win the game and kill Gandalf When my win condition is met I leave the game. Old win condition was to just survive to the end with town only My attack is unblockable but I cannot discuss the limitations attached to it while my DT item can be used twice a cycle at day and night but it will only tell me if they are like me. There are three other people like me and I am certain that vel is one of them especially since he knew the name of my role ( I know the names of the other roles so I am presuming they do as well ) I also presume I am going to die anyhow so bring it on Gandalf I have a bomb ready and waiting. Why was your wincon suddenly changed? | ||
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Either way I dont think its a good idea to elect vel as wheatly since it seems like he is either third party or made a random guess and got Drazerk's role right, and I would much rather Wheatly go to someone more likely to be town. I dont know who this person is yet, need to reread. | ||
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On March 17 2012 22:47 Drazerk wrote: For references - Gandalf's role - + Show Spoiler + You are Gandalf the White, Town Jack of All Trades. ![[image loading]](http://images.wikia.com/lotr/images/6/60/Gandalf04.jpg) Active Ability [Oneshot]Wisest of the Istari: One time during the game during the night phase, you may divine the nature of your target, receiving a copy of their role PM. This ability will not be fooled by Millers or a Framer if there is one but will be fooled by a Godfather if there is one. [Oneshot]Shadowfax: One time during the game during the night phase, you may summon the legendary steed Shadowfax. With Shadowfax at your side none can hope to outrun you; you may track your target and learn who they visit. [Oneshot]Watcher: One time during the game during the night phase, you may watch over your target, receiving the names of all who visited your target (but not their actions). [Oneshot]Wisdom: One time during the game during the night phase, you may divine whether or not your target is capable of killing people. This will not reveal alignment to you, only whether or not they have KP. You win when Evil has been purged from Middle Earth. Old balrog's role - + Show Spoiler + I am the Balrog. I am a Survivor. I have a number of powers, but I'll start with my wincon: I win when any faction wins and Gandalf is dead. So, the second part of my wincon has been conveniently fulfilled. Gandalf probably wasn't supposed to die this early - I've got a few powers that would have aided me in my quest for Gandalf. I can investigate a player each night and discover if they are Maia. Gandalf, Saruman, Sauron, and Radagast are Maia (I am told these 4 names - more on this after my full claim). I have one unblockable nightkill. But that only helps me kill Gandalf. I still need to survive. Fortunately, I have a passive power: I know what happens when I get the ring. I become Bulletproof. For the record my DT item is called the Maia gun I don't become bulletproof when I get an item I can't discuss my power shot. Wait a sec just looked at LOTR... wasnt barlog a fakeclaim by a scum player? | ||
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I still believe the claim though (well at least I dont think drazerk is scum) since it makes no sense for scum to claim that his wincon changed in the middle of day 1 and stuff like that. The question now is, what are we going to do about it? Do we get rid of the 3rd party (I rather not), force him to let us control his shot, or let him do w/e the hell he wants? I would to use his shot as a 2nd "lynch" of sorts, but seeing as how he fired at VE so quickly I highly doubt hes gonna nicely cooperate with us... Maybe we threaten him with the lynch is he randomly fires again? | ||
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Also need to go, talk tomorrow. | ||
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On March 18 2012 07:46 Blazinghand wrote: So I was hoping someone else would catch this, but I don't like zelblade's post here: Taking a look at his filters from his previous games SNMMVII: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=311554&user=240873¤tpage=All Numerous minor typos, no EBWOPS used. NMMIV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=314813&user=240873¤tpage=All Numerous minor typos, 2 EBWOPS used, but to add additional info to posts, never to correct errors with apostrophes and the like. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=314813&user=240873¤tpage=All In fact, changing "link" to "links" doesn't even alter the information presented in the post-- it's just a typo, the kind of which you regularly overlook. It adds no information to the post. Now wait a second, blzinghand, this all seems pretty inconsequential to me. Yeah, whatever, zelblade did an out-of-character EBWOP that looked pretty strange. But that's not scum behavior at all... like why would you even make a post like that, lol. noob. you sound like a bronze leaguer to me My god, why are you so BM? Stfu for a moment and listen to my explanation. Your question is legitimate, though, so I'll address it. We know there are other Sleeper agents in this game. It's possible that this unnecessary, out-of-character EBWOP was an attempt by zelblade to communicate his identity to the other cell agents. I was hoping someone else would notice this, but apparently nobody did, because nobody else is a paranoid motherfucker like I am. I'd like to hear your opinions though-- do I have a leg to stand on when I ##vote: Zelblade ? This accusation makes 0 sense. I havent played with sleeper cells before, but does the fact that they are present mean that I cant fix up a typo? I usually dont reread my posts for mistakes (which I usually make) but I happened to notice that I missed out an s on this one, and decided to fix it. Another thing, the reason why I seemed "afraid" and havent actually posted much crap besides regarding the drazerk thing is that I wasnt home yesterday and couldnt actually read the thread in detail, which is why I posted mostly on the things that were being discussed in the thread currently (i.e. drazerk's claim). Regarding the election, I think that either Blazinghand (although hes a paranoid motherfucker he seems town enough) or Velinath wouldnt be a bad choice. I have a stronger town read on BH at the moment, and as such prefer him into the position of Wheatly. ##elect: Blazinghand I still dont think that drazerk would be the optimal lynch for today. I believe his 3rd party claim, and whilst I am quite skeptical of the anger core thing, I dont really think its a good idea to risk lynching him as if its real, it seems rather likely that the players hit by it are most likely going to be town. He also might let us control his shot.... though im starting to doubt that. Seems to be an okay idea to vig him though, since he is quite the wildcard and it seems likely that he might not let us control his shot, and fire randomly instead. Dont really want to lynch him, but my vote will go onto him if we cannot reach a majority on anyone else, since I dont want a no-lynch today. Wouldnt mind getting rid of one of the numerous lurkers that we have today (Dirk hardpec etc..) Dont want to lynch bluelightz or sinani206. I dont feel scumvibes from either and bluelightz seems to be smiliar from a couple of games I read which he played in recently. | ||
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Quite a few players are lurking rather actively - Dirk, rayzor, cwave, kita etc. I do think that a decent portion of these lurkers are probably scum, and dont think that lynching into them would be a bad idea. Personally I had to choose one of these it would be cwave - his lack of posting doesnt help, and I really do not like his ninga vote. I have stated many times that I would rather not lynch drazerk due to various reasons I have already stated, though it does look like we will not be able to achieve a majority on anyone else today. I dont think hes a bad lynch to be honest - JJ makes a good point in that the chance of him flipping town = 0%, and whilst I dont think he would be a threat for now, he could very well be one later. I highly doubt we can find a better lynch today either way, besides the standard lurker lynch which honestly is more likely to hit town than anything else. As such, ##vote: Drazerk I might be around before the deadline to change my vote but dont count on it. When is the deadline? Is it 07:00HKT? | ||
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First off, I have no idea why the hell drazerk decided to lie about his win con and crap when he could have just claimed everything truthfully which might have given him a higher chance of survining the first day -.- Regarding Foolishness, I dont really know what to think of him at the moment. I highly doubt that its a posting restriction due to the mods giving him points for it, and honestly it seems pretty ridiculous to have a "post in riddles" post restriction. Considering the highly themed nature it definately is a possibility, though I doubt it for one. Which makes me think that Foolishness is either: 1) Scum/3rd trying to look like hes contributing 2) Town trying to avoid getting shot n1 by "trolling" and faking a post restriction to make himself seem less of a threat. Im unsure which he is as of now, although im leaning towards the 2nd option. Since it seems he has a reputation of being able to single handedly crush mafia teams within a couple of in game days, I feel that the best course of action is to leave him be for a while (day 3 or so) and see what he delivers to us. Next up. Regarding wheatly and the black market thing, I think we should leave it to velinath to decide what he wants to do with the role. We elected him, and that means wether we like it or not, we ought to trust him with the role, due to possible unknown mechanics that might interfere. What he should do though is claim whoever he gives any item to before night ends (dont forget the 1 hour no post thingy!) and what said item is, which would allow us to semi-confirm that part of his role at least. Gonzaw's claim regarding the destabaliztion engine is pretty darn interesting. From what you have stated, it seems to be a good idea to keep the level low for now. I dont really know anything about portal lore if it applies here, but it does seem that it going up might have some sort of negative effect on us. Also, does it state that it will be stated in the day/night posts if the destabalization rises? If not, it could be that it is a hidden mechanic.. which would prove quite troublesome. What I have no idea is why the hell you are claiming this, particularly now. From what it seems, quite a number actually are seeking this engine (great powers have similar wincons?). Besides, it doesnt seem to be information that we need to know at this point, which is why I feel all this honestly does is make you a giant targert. Oh not to mention that its night, where alot more kp is rampant. Even if you felt that a claim was neccessary, couldnt it have waited till day? I dont think you were that high a pirority targert to feel this unsafe. Sure you are one of the more active posters and such, but I highly doubt you were going to be shot, considering that there are both supposed godlike scumhunters (Foolishness etc.) and people that seem more likely to be town. Of course I could be wrong but I feel that claim was pretty bad, and I have no idea why you decided to post this piece of (not neccessary) information at this point. Bleh, seems like the most active time is generally when im in school and when im sleeping ._. Really wish I could shift time or something lol =/ I havent had the time to read the recent pages recently, so if I missed out anything major (question towards me etc.) please point it out, and I will address it tomorrow. Thanks. | ||
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Also its going to be difficult to "force" him to post something that doesnt rhyme since we cant really do that without taking drastic measures (talk or day vig!) I dont think thats a good idea though. Besides, his rhymes arent really clogging up anything as of yet besides the current (needeless imo) discussion that we are having now on it, and he still seems to be providing a fair amount of opinions despite posting in rhyme. I really feel that we should just leave him alone for now, and stop discussing this "posting restriction" of his. Its just distracting us at this point. Of course if he doesnt produce much quality in the coming days we can take another look. @sbrubbles I think he posted what was on sale a few pages ago and it was something like one-shot vig, one-shot DT and stuff like that. Im too lazy to find the post now but you could just look through veli's filter to find it. I dont think that it was too detailed though, wouldnt be bad to get more details on what this black market is selling. Another thing is that we shouldnt just assume that there are 5 portal guns. Fair assumption, yes. But it was based off a day post in a previous game and could easily have been put in to troll us and such. | ||
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I agree that the post restriction is bullshit, and also that draz had no anger core (probably a lie to scare us). Even if he did his ability would make it useless, making it a non-exsistent threat. If you think his portal gun claim was fake, what do you think of kenpachi supposedly giving it to him? He claimed that he did. Kenpachi seems to be a pretty crazy player though I dont think he was lying about this. You seem to believe that he lied? What motivation do you think he would have for that action? Blazinghand's dissapearance also worries me, considering how hard he tried to get the wheatly postion. Could be that hes feeling a little demotivated considering he missed it by one vote. I dont think im going to read too much into this now, unless he continues lurking of course. | ||
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Also @ Jayjay when you say next two days do you mean in game days or RL days? Assuming in game days, but correct me if im wrong Another thing I dont like is the fact that some people are starting to vote for glados. I will state my stance on kenpachi in abit, but really? Why would we want to take an unknown risk, dealing with some sort of unknown mechanic that has the potential to screw us over. All we know is that voting glados = kenpachi with superpowers, which I dont really want since I have no idea what kenpachi's alignment is yet. I find Velinath jumping onto this glados "wagon" suspicious as hell, considering the speculation that he might take over glados or something. Sinani's decision to go along with voting glados is like complete bullshit - "Oh guys dont worry wheatly might not overtake glados and crap, so lets just take a shot in the dark and pray this is some sort of pro-town mechanic!" Dead man walking, so w/e. Regarding kenpachi, I have, as said, 0 idea what the hell he is. He has contributed nothing besides supposedly dontating a now useless item to a 3rd party, troll the shit out of the thread, and of course make his glados push. I would push for his lynch if it was anyone else... but it seems that a few of you say that he mostly plays somewhat like this, constantly trolling and stuff. I wouldnt mind a lynch of him though, assuming we dont have any better targerts at the end of the day. Next up comes the night kills. Gonzaw dying was completely expected due to his (imo wierd & dumb, unless its fake which I doubt) claim last night. Seems to be a hit from the lord of the riftttttt or w/e. What is worrying now is that he has the destabalization engine, which might prove a little.. disatrious, unless his wincon is similar to barlog's. Im inclined to think that the "burned to death" hits werent mafia hits. Even though there are 3 of them, which might seem normal considering that most of the KP is likely to be from normal scum KP (maybe not considering all the 3rd parties & stuff), the hits would be be pretty wierd since its 3 lurkers who were under pretty heavy suspision. Seems like pretty wierd hits to me, and the fact that the flip is hidden makes this even more fustrating. Im guessing that its some sort of town KP - but 3 to one person seems a bit unbalanced... Guess we need to wait a couple more nights to see. Foolishness getting killed night 1 isnt much of a surprise considering his reputation, and whatever he rolled (considering the possibility of mutiple scum teams (sleeper cell is one)) he probably got hit from mutiple sides. Maybe mafia doublestacked him or something. Blazinghand is a shot that makes sense considering how 14 people thought he was town(election), which is quite alot. Probably a mafia hit imo. So, velinath. Did you do anything with the black market this night? Did you give any items to anyone? Also, im still really busy these couple of days -.- Really sorry about this, but my schedule should be getting less hetic soon. I dont think ill have much time for today and probably tomorrow (IRL days) at least to contribute as much as I should be. I need to take some time to go read some filters, and would probably spend some time on it for a while later on. | ||
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And it seems that my workload is finally slowing :D so I should be able to post more. My hours are still going to be different from the majority of you guys though =/ | ||
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And grack, any particular reason to believe that others have 0.5 kp besides hassy mentioning lemons? He could easily need them for something else. Seems weird to claim now...? | ||
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Guess your claim makes a little more sense now. (Still dont like it though) | ||
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What I find off about bluelightz is a couple of things. 1) His inactivity - lurklurk, but has time to post in another game (someone mentioned this I think?) His activity seemed okyish day 1, but it has steadily declined. Not to mention all he has done is push kenpachi, sinani and drazerk. All easy targerts. 2) This was what made me really suspicious. Kita calls him out for promising one of those lists he always makes - stating that he is taking a long time to do so. What is his response? He posts this: On March 21 2012 15:31 Bluelightz wrote: Fuck, answering to kita Town: Paper - Not really active but points out alot of stuff and shares his reads. Grackaroni - Active, Contributes to the discussion, Town. Scum: Kenpachi - For reasons in my so called "case" Dirk - As everybody has explained Null: Everyone else People on my scum list I have no problem to lynch. I have a few problems with this. Firstly, why promise something than forget about it immediatedly? Next, why rush to post something for the sake of pleasing someone (kita)? This list is obviously extremely rushed, and not well prepared, and this really suggests to me that you are making a list for the sake of making a list, doing to only to follow your "town meta". Lastly, I dont care that this is rushed, but anyone can clearly see the lack of effort this list has. He lists two players as town, two as scum, and "everyone else" as null. I see that he constantly calls everyone null, but what really strikes me is the complete lack of effort put into making this list. Look at this from Mr.Wiggles MM2: + Show Spoiler + I'm here guys, I think I'll go into starting my list now, Jackal58 - Leaning Scum - He post's nothing of worth and is useless. Paperscraps - Null - His response to my case well.... wasn't THAT good, but im gonna unvote him for now. Probulous - Leaning Town - Has posted much content and is being active and contributing to the discussion Snarfs - Leaning Town - He is looking townie to me but, he could easily flip scum though. rgTheSchworz - Leaning Third Party Maybe - This post is interesting because IF he is the SK he is trying to make people thinking he's not the SK Misder - Null - He didnt explain his lists, but he did hel;pl move discussion so, Null. Pandain - Leaning Town - He has been acting fairly townish. Palmar - Null - He has been posting a lot of one liners, but he could be town. Sandroba - Null - Same as Palmar TheToast - Null - He is looking fairly townish, but he could easily be scum..... Adam4167 - Leaning Town - He is actively contributing and providing opinions. A Killer Cuppa Tea - Leaning Town - He does look townish, but he has to step up and be more active & contribute. deconduo - Null - As paper said he overreacted to paper's vote, but he could be town. One can clearly see the difference. Here, he clearly takes the time to post his thoughts clearly (well its one line but still) on each and every player. Compare this to what he does this game - he bothers to list only 4 people. This seems really out of character to me. I could also pick a few more things, lack of colour codes, etc., but this really demostrates the lack of effort bluelightz put into his list, and generally looking over his filter you can see this being prevelant throughout the entire game. Overall, what makes me really suspicious is that rushed list. It suggests to me a couple of things, namely being: i) The fact that he rushed it out to simply please kita - why do it as town? I know I would take the time to make a proper list if I was going to, maybe say something like "wait abit im constructing it", not post a list for the sake of it. Seems like hes trying to please kita. I dont think town would do something like this. ii) Lack of effort - He seems to not want to put in effort. His filter shows that he has contributed nothing to town, with the exception of a few sheep votes, and of course that 3) His wiggles vote rubs me the wrong way too. I personally didnt see wiggles as trustworthy at the start of day one, and it seems that the reason he believes wiggles to be town enough to vote for him (note that wiggles himself has not actually asked to be voted) is because of this. Would mafia ask this question? I think that Wiggles is town based on that he is posting like not being coordinated with other people. Note that this is after a sleeper has flipped. Also he backtracks on his vote not because someone pointed out this gap in logic, but because of drazerk's agurment here: Wiggles is someone who should never win the election for several reasons 1) If he is scum we are screwed and there is no coming back 2) If he is town and it turns bad we are also screwed 3) I used an item on Wiggles and know he is not the same as me which makes me hesitant for anyone to vote for him without an excellent argument This had been a reply to bluelightz's previous post pushing for wiggles to be elected. Notice how bluelightz decides to quickly backtrack, yet doesnt ask about the "not the same as me" part, since it was a pretty crucial point, since at that point drazerk had not claimed yet, and him not taking a step back to question this says quite a bit. Which would mean that he felt the first two points were valid. Point 1 is bad, considering that bluelightz had enough trust in him to actually vote for him. Point 2 is easily fearmongering, and I dont think he would just backtrack so quickly based on it alone. Which makes me feel that bluelightz might have been trying to get his scumbuddy elected - something similar to "flinging shit and seeing what sticks". 4) Another minor thing is the "fuck" that he said when kita asked about his missing list. I went through a few filters, and I havent seen a single vulgarity in the entire chunk. Even when TheToast insults him rather badly in Mr.Wiggles MM2 (attached here for your refrence) + Show Spoiler + Oh and Bluelightz, I'm curious, have you ever won a game as town? Like seriously, I think there's such a thing as the Bluelightz curse. Any town unlucky enough to get Bluelightz on their side loses the game. What do you think? Nice ring to it right? The curse of the Bluelightz that sounds good too. Seriously, how fail are you? I don't expect you to respond since the only things you post about are when you are going to school or work like this is flippin' twitter. Can't forget the occasional completely random person that you call out as scum. It's true that you will eventually land on scum, only after lynching the entire town. Way to go buddy.. Actually the whole lot of you are pretty fail. Didn't you all wonder why you are the ones left alive? Snarfs I don't think you had a single good read this whole game. Except for Sandro, but he pretty much put in zero effort this game; that's why we had him killed. And lol how easily all of you bought that "Calling it now Sandro and Pandain scum team" shenanigans. How obvious was that lol? There's a reason why we lynched Palmar when we did and left the rest of you alive, he was the only one making any sense. Snarfies lol at your support of Adam. There was not one good shred of evidence against him. And you led Probulous lead your right into that. HA! And LOL at the Paper thing. He was like the most confirmed town this whole game, and you guys were all FOSing him. What is his response to this? + Show Spoiler + I won purgatory Nailed the angels (Nailed RoL d1 but didnt push lol, nailed jackal day 3, nailed grackaroni all game but never got him lynched ) Oh and the most interesting thing about me is that I NEVER EVER EVER got lynched in my whole mafia life Actually no I meant that. Considering that that post was downright rude and pretty damm insulting, bluelightz first reaction is to laugh it off, before starting to get a little angry at it, yet he manages to keep it down without any sort of notable reaction. Really, this single "fuck" here makes me slightly suspicious. Maybe im reading too much into it, but doesnt it seem like hes annoyed that he, as scum, managed to make such a slipup? Considering that hes usually pretty jovial and relaxed.. this feels really out of character to me. Hopefully I have explained clear enough why I feel that bluelightz is scum. Hopefully people actually read it too, since it would seem that people have a habit of skipping over my posts -.- I have a few other slight suspisions, but im going to wait for tomorrow to push them, since we already have what I feel are two good candidates. Dirk Hardpec isnt looking too good right now either, but I have a stronger read on bluelightz, which is why I am pushing him now. ##vote: Bluelightz | ||
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What I would like to know is what you think of bluelightz. Considering that hes on the chopping block together with you, shouldnt you have some actual thoughts on him? Also the fact that you have been OMGUSing pretty hard is making me suspicious of you. First on Foolishness, whose case was weak and based off thin air, and probably more of a joke if your really are smurfing, and next on grackoni who wanted to shoot you. Besides your claim of driving discussion is pretty lolzy especially if you are town, since in that case most of the discussion you are supposedly driving is in the wrong way. I dont think you are a half bad shot, and find your omgus pretty bad. | ||
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On March 21 2012 19:50 Dirk Hardpec wrote: I don't think Bluelightz is scum. I think he's an easy target that gets pushed into a position to be lynched every game because he is always very vague and irrational in his play. But he seems to be posting without fear, so that at least is pretty townie. And if you need to lynch a townie to learn that attacking people who attack you for no reason is not a scumtell, be my guest. What do you expect me to do when one of the strongest town players on TL mafia hides behind a posting restriction, and then decides to attack me with nothing to back it up? Do you think I should not explain why he's scum because of it because I should be afraid of OMGUS-ing? I don't actually care if people voted me or not. If I think someone does something that's not justifiable, I will call them out, even at the risk of looking like I'm just attacking whoever attacks me. I mostly put the speech up on Grackaroni this night to scare him away from shooting me, as I have a decent role that can be very helpful. I'm not sure on Grack's alignment, depending on if his claim that he wanted to shoot me and couldn't is true or false. At this point I'm an easy excuse for mafia/third party to kill because alot of people want my head. I'm not about to hang quietly today, even if everyone is a giant derp and actually lynches me, at least my flip will provide heated arguments and mafia is going to have to push really hard for it. I'm not going to die easy, so bring it on scum. So you dont find bluelightz's play different from his other games? I personally dont think posting without fear is that good of a towntell, but I guess that we could disagree with that. I personally think that whilst your OMGUS on Foolishness was somewhat justified considering that quite a few people bandwagoned you because of his weak case, I didnt really like your push againt grackoni, but I guess im going to trust JJ54's check (since I have a town read on him) and give you the benefit of the doubt for now. One thing that I do agree on though is that your wagon today is filled with a lot of scummy people. | ||
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Also, I agree with adam in that wiggles is pretty damm suspicious right now, and that his posting doesnt indicate his alignment. I think bluelightz's push was pretty damm wierd, but considering his playstyle do you think he would have the balls to push his scumbuddy who hadnt said he wanted wheatly for an elected position? Personally, considering his irrational playstyle and all that its highly likely imo. Adam's post above mine brings in a few more points which I find add on to this. Wiggles's case on ghost is pretty weak imo. I dont find anything really suspicious from ghost's behaviour. One last thing that I find downright scummy is how he pretty much completely avoids the subject of bluelightz. His filter, whilst seemingly short at two pages, is actually pretty long considering that most of his posts are pretty long. Yet, in all of them, he manages to push several people, yet not once mentions anything regarding what he thinks of bluelightz. I dont know about you guys, but if someone was leading the lynch ill at the very least post what I think of it if im in the thread and actively posting. I dont care that he was "busy", a one liner stating something like "I dont think bluelightz is scum, XXX is a much better targert imo, will elaborate later" or "Willing to vote bluelightz if no better targert, but feel he isnt optimal" doesnt take more than 30 seconds. Instead, what does he do with his time? He says he wants to lynch ghost, defends himself, and posts some oneliners regarding the palmar thing and rolerelated stuff. He than proceeds to go ahead and vote bluelightz after a grand total of 16 votes on him in the last few minutes of the day. I need to take a closer look or two at wiggles filter later on, but im personally leaning for a wiggles lynch tomorrow. | ||
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On March 22 2012 18:46 Adam4167 wrote: zelblade, you've been quieter this game then I remember you being in newbie mini mafia III. Now that I've actually read your case on Bluelightz, I see that I have repeated some things you've already touched on. I'm not going to lie, when I saw that big wall of text, I held my pgdown key -_- How do you feel about Dirk now after he told you Bluelightz was not scum and an 'easy lynch'? I was starting to think that dirk's responses actually seemed pretty townie during the day. However, hes palmar, so the fact that hes wrong is already a cause for suspision. Considering that he was also wrong about foolishness (hes not scum at least), I dont think hes looking too good. Not to mention that his seeming lack of time and effort is pretty worrying. I may not have played with him before, but I have read quite a few recent games containing him, and I think his posting is pretty different honestly. This + JJ's check puts me as "null" for now. Im not sure if its unmotivated townie or scum. Also im quiter because I had a few exams these couple of days, + I was so wrong last game and yet managed to effectively proclaim all said terrible reads and played really badly generally =/, which is why I decided to tone down a little I guess, and perhaps consolidate my posts. I dont find myself being particulary active in newbie mini mafia III though, and whilst my activity this game might be a little lesser, I dont really think its that big of a change. And yea I repeated some things because I wanted to put all my thoughts together into one post for easier reading on my thoughts, but I guess it ended up too long instead -.- | ||
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Kita being companion cube might be possible, but theres another possibility you guys are missing out on. The companion cube seems to be controlled by scum, and its highly likely that they could have posted that on purpose simply to incriminate kita. I highly doubt that hes going to make such a hugeee slip, and look at what palmar did when he realised he derped. He sort of explained it immediatedly upon realising that he posted on a wrong account. I agree this is wierd and want to hear kita on this matter, but we should avoid jumping to conclusions. | ||
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Well since foolishness is probably not mafia this is great :D | ||
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To kita, I claimed because I felt it was information that was relatively important. I feel that ur acting a little wierd, and when I recieved the gonzaw result my first thought was oh he's lotr. I don't see why someone else would have acted on gonzaw unless it's some sort of really wierd role. Medic is possible but dumb since he was acting like he had protection and it seems the great power hits are unblockable anyway. Dt or tracker doesn't make much sense to me since he was rather town to me at least, and had a High chance is dying due to the claim. Watcher is possible, but you would have claimed already who the actual lotr is I think. Which is why I feel that you are lotr, and I wanted town to know this piece of information. Also whoever got the Puppet strings claim. | ||
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On March 24 2012 07:41 Hassybaby wrote: You want to know why I haven't been totally active in my reads and and comments? Because the mods are cheaters! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UWKFw.jpg) Yeah, I'm Yugi. Those cards are mine, and my wincon is to beat iGrok in this game. The downside is that the cards have an effect in the game, so I have to be very careful about what i play and when. Then iGrok plays that.... NO MORE BEING CAREFUL I GUESS Do you know the effects (on the mafia game, not in the yugioh game) of the cards you play? Are they stated, or do they have effects that you dont know about? Also I find not being able to contribute as much to the thread due to a single yugioh turn a phase wierd. Sure, might take a bit longer than a normal game (due to the effects on the mafia game blahblah) but still. Are you removed from the game if you defeat iGrok? Do you know if kaiba is a role, or the mods are playing him? And how the hell did you manage to let him get dragon master knight so quick lol? He lucked out with some sort of 3 blue eyes 1 luster soilder 2 polymerization hand? :D Also dragon master knight sucks shit considering how hard it is to summon, has a weak effect, and that it can die to any sort of spell or trap (hinthint) easily. | ||
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On March 24 2012 14:05 sinani206 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2012 10:46 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I feel better about you now after your response. Unlike your earlier posts, they actually give a reason for your massive swings in opinion. While I don't agree with your reasoning, you actually showed you had reasoning, and your actions are consistent with it. So, this explains the giant discontinuity for me. Also, you don't need to be more verbose in your posts, you just need to actually show continuity in your thoughts and explain why you've changed your mind if it's on something significant. Nisani looks pretty bad to me, but I think Sinani looks worse. I'm still trying to decide though, but that's how I'm leaning. These two posts just look scummy as hell: The two scenarios I have in mind, are that sinani is either telling the truth, and is town, or he's scum on a team with some kind of protection, or just scum and telling the truth about his item. I did claim shot and that my long fall boots protected me. Also, Nisani is scum. If he's town: Why would you ask this question? The only reason would be if you had important info to drop on the thread if the shot was unblockable and you were going to die. The shot's already coming to you either way, so when it hits, you'll either live or you won't. From what I can see, JayJay never actually answers his question. However, Sinani doesn't drop any info on the thread. He doesn't claim results, he doesn't give all his reads, he doesn't do anything at all, but act like the shot never existed. This doesn't' make sense from a town perspective, especially after you ask if the shot will actually kill you or not, which means you're concerned about your death, and have some reason for needing to know. If he's scum: This question makes a lot more sense from a scum perspective given his follow-up. If scum have a medic, he wants to know if he can block the shot or not, because if it's unblockable there's no point using their protect there. If he just has an extra life as any kind of scum, he wants to know, because it could change how he acts, if he's trying to achieve a specific win condition, or simply so his team can plan around whether he lives or not. In either of these scenarios, his follow-up makes sense. There's no reason for him to give any sort of information to the thread, because it doesn't further his win condition. He just wants to know so he can either get his team to protect him, or plan around how much time he has alive. Either way, it's based off selfish reasons, and not reasons that have the best in mind for town. I see this as pretty damning. I did claim that I was shot and the long-fall boots protected me at the beginning of the day. Also, I don't want to vote for myself, and as usual, I am one of the two major lynch candidates. ##Vote: Nisani201 So your entire defense revolves around "Im not scum". How helpful. | ||
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On March 24 2012 14:15 kitaman27 wrote: I gave my lemon to ghost and grack. If nobody claims to have given a lemon to dirk, then he probably obtained it from through a night kill. I also marked Palmar for death last night. He will die tomorrow night. The fact that he hasn't claimed it in the thread shows he is clearly hiding something as he is informed of his fate. Palmar seems content with a nisani lynch, which probably doesn't bode well. sinani surviving the hit because he happens to be a vet is too convenient. Been really busy, but this thread is really dead. What happened? So who do you want to lynch today? Im assuming sinani. Do you still think wiggles is scum? Also I suspect that the "VT" in this game is basically something similar to what grackoni was, having the ability to shoot if he get da lemonz. If dirk got a lemon from a night kill, (Does it actually say wether you got it from a night kill or it was given..?) why would he claim it? Makes no sense. | ||
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1) Nisani is town and telling the truth. 2) Nisani is a scum inventor, gave the camera to himself. 3) A scum inventor gave it to him. Im going to assume that 4 & 5 can be eliminated since I have some faith in this town. Im actually unsure which of the first 3 it is now, and I need to reread nisani's filter carefully which I would do later. I thought he was pretty scummy before this whole incident though his responses to the pressure (which I havent taken a good look at) might redeem him. Going for dinner soon, anything to ask just shoot. | ||
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It seems thats a scum tell for palmar from what I have read, but I believe him town actually considering some stuff in the mason QT. Foolishness's dissapearance is worrying considering his reputation, and his current position in the game (probably not scum). His reads will be trusted if he pushes them, and if he has been following the game like he seems to have been doing I find it hard to believe that he has no reads. Its already day 3 and theres ton of content for him to pick away at and catch us some scum. Considering that he most likely is going to die again tonight, he needs to push whatever cases he can now. Im willing to give him till the end of night 3 though since he might have catching up to do. Also please stop posting in rhyme if it isnt a post restriction. Scum are probably going to shoot you again anyway, but this thime theres a higher chance you are going to get protected, so I doubt its uneccessary to fake a post restriciton (which I believe is what you are doing) to make youself seem like less of a threat. Of course all this is assuming youre town. | ||
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Agree that you wouldnt give someone something similar to a gun if his first targert was probably going to be you. Since that doesnt make sense regardless of alignment... I have no idea wtfck is going on. Need to hear nisani's response on this. Will try to figure this out later, really need to go now. Bye. | ||
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Nisani's claim is most likely faked. Look at all the flipped people. They all have role names. When you are going to be lynched and want to claim you claim every single aspect about your goddamed role - including the name (im refering to stuff like flux guardian, the grey fox). I dont buy that his rolename is inventor considering the nature of this game - it most likely has some sort of flavor - and the fact that he didnt claim it along with his claim shows something is off. The lack of breadcrumbs doesnt exactly help with this, though this is a rather weak point I guess. And theres jj54s stuff. Thats quite a few slips. | ||
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Dirk hasnt been doing crap in the qt either, it was what he did before me and jj were added that makes me think hes town. I think there might be a busdriver involved in all this crap who may have bussed the item to nisani. What is making me doubt myself is how he knew what the strings did though. Looking forward to nisanis explanation. At this rate sinani is going to get yet another free pass but I guess that cannot be helped -.- | ||
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I need to go do some stuff. Townies please contribute more than "I want to lynch XXX today", thanks. | ||
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On March 25 2012 00:17 Sbrubbles wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2012 20:48 zelblade wrote: It probably really went to nisani. THere are basically 3 possibilities here. 1) Nisani is town and telling the truth. 2) Nisani is a scum inventor, gave the camera to himself. 3) A scum inventor gave it to him. Im going to assume that 4 & 5 can be eliminated since I have some faith in this town. Im actually unsure which of the first 3 it is now, and I need to reread nisani's filter carefully which I would do later. I thought he was pretty scummy before this whole incident though his responses to the pressure (which I havent taken a good look at) might redeem him. Going for dinner soon, anything to ask just shoot. Why would you disreguard 4)? The case against him is strong even without all this item business. If town can lynch him without revealing who has the camera, better. Zelblade, are you item-fishing? + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2012 18:38 Jayjay54 wrote: I mean, if you're really an inventor. And you want to survive, why would you give an item which basically vigs to a player who posted: ^^ both posts BEFORE I got the item. There are like 10 posts in which I mention that Nisani is a priority to me. Tell me guys, is that the one. you give your powerful item WITH VIG ability to? No? Damn right, he's (once more) lying! you, sir, are no inventor. you just happen to have a portal gun and used it on me. I totally agree with this point. From a town perspective, it doesn't make sense to give the person targeting you a means for him to kill you. Well, it doesn't make sense from any perspective, unless he claimed immediately after giving the item to avoid said shot. That said, there's a chance that he's really telling the truth and thought he could give JayJay the item, not get vigged and not get lynched without claiming anything. Small chance, but there nonetheless. Can we afford to give him the benefit of a doubt and instruct him on what to invent tomorrow? Tomorrow we'll be 100% sure if he was lying and we can lynch someone else today. I maintain my position on Sinani as a good lynch. Correct me if im wrong, but inventor's items are one-shot (unless this is a different variation from a game I read, I think it was one of the PYP games here), which would mean said person with the camera has probably used it already bar extraordiary circumstances. Even if it isnt one-shot its worth it to claim just to get 1 confirmed scum. A watch ability isnt that powerful either way, and forcing a scum lynch is worth it imo. | ||
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role =/= alignment Whilst something like trackers and watchers being town usually, they could easily be mafia trackers/watchers too. This applies to all roles, and stuff like scum masons, scum day-vigs etc. are possible. Also sinani claimed he had an item that would let him survive a shot, not vet. | ||
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I agree that paper is scummy, and the only reason I havent actually pushed him is because of the bluelightz lynch which I was fine with on day 2, and I had no computer access for the first part of the day today and when I came back there was this crap, which led me to vote nisani. Foolishness what do you think of kita and wiggles? | ||
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I will not be back till quite a bit after the day post btw. | ||
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Did you lose/gain any items last night? | ||
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Im assuming on fire =/= marked for death? | ||
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I have quite a load of suspicions but dont feel like pushing them hard now. If I die tonight JJ/Dirk probably some of my reads and stuff tomorrow. Night. | ||
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Realised I forgot to do some importatnt assignment, went to do it. Going back to bed now.. Hope i didnt forget anything. Im such a retard sometimes >< | ||
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And could magikarp actually level up? | ||
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Link was a really interesting role, though it seemed pretty difficult to use since I screwed up my n1 action (Thinking that blzing would survive n1.. bad idea) and managed to out kitaman n2 (luckily I didnt push it hard -.-). Feel that yugi is the best role :D | ||
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On April 07 2012 05:00 kitaman27 wrote: I've decided to start offering my services to teach players how to play pro-town. Read all my raving reviews! Opps? | ||
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