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On February 29 2012 19:34 prplhz wrote: I'd like to play but I didn't think this was open for sign ups yet. It's not in the queue while TL Mafia LI is so, ... Anyway, /in if possible. I'm already in Resistance 2 but it's a mini and it's already been going on for a while so I hope that's not going to be a problem. @EchelonTee You should definitely join if you want to play and have time. I think this game's title might be a reference to TL Mafia L, as in this is TL Mafia L-2? Since it's posted on the protact account. Regardless it's in the queue as Jubjub Mafia. Mmm I'm tempted but I am playing in 1 & co-hosting another. +I should do more reading on pro-town play lolo | ||
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I'm down with whichever would be more interesting. which I think is No Flip | ||
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On March 08 2012 09:05 jaybrundage wrote: I was gonna join. Till i saw an unupdated player list. DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUN + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On March 09 2012 04:40 prplhz wrote: i'd like to be bulletproof please i'd like a nuke please | ||
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On March 11 2012 13:25 gumshoe wrote: This is my first real game, I am going to give it my all and even if things get rough I'll fight to the bitter end. You can count on me this time(if you please). I hope I can do the same for you  gumshoe did better in that game than you mattchew -.- | ||
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On March 12 2012 10:33 Katina wrote: Hi!!! Since we are all pointing fingers I am going to point one as well to blend in! Woo! Okay, Mattchew. You ask a lot of questions..... Wait... This is all you do. I'm going to ignore the following post.... Because it's just so damn bad <3 ## Vote Mattchew I hope I have succeded in blending in now! I feel so pro bro. are you trying to do some bad townie gambit or something, b/c this "case" is so bad it's like it's trying to attract acid. | ||
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1. LaL policy lynch trolololol for a few pages 2. people making nonsense cases on each other to arouse "reactions" 3. fastest forming bandwagon on Jackal ever Town needs to rebuild a conducive atmosphere, it's clear that Mafia has been trying to distract with all the LAL talk. I'm going to focus on someone I feel is exhibiting a lot Mafia traits, Jitsu. The ironic thing here is that Jitsu hounds constantly against one anti-town activity, but is doing another anti-town activity himself, aka his incessant dedication to policy lynching/policy lynching discussion. On March 11 2012 13:19 Jitsu wrote:+ Show Spoiler + That meme is some good stuff. I love you Jackal. So, let's get this ball rolling, then. I'm not sure I want to comment on Lurkers or anything yet. Looking at the player list, I think everyone will have a decently good job of staying active enough to contribute to a pro-town atmosphere. No one really stands out to me as a lurking player, so enough of that. 1 Also, this is going to be pretty much a direct rip from my first post in Storm. It's something that I think should set the mood for town discussion. I hate liars, unless there is a clear and logical reason to do so (blue prolonging his anonymity, ect.), anyone lying should (and will) be 100% held accountable for the actions they decided to run with. Does anyone in anyway disagree with this, and if so, why? I will hold myself to the same standard, and anyone who is found blatantly lying, crossing stories, anything of that sort is going to be pushed by me, and i'd like to assume that the majority of the town players can agree with me on that.1 1. When talking about lynching lurkers Jitsu states his opinion and gets off it easily enough. just state your opinion on a matter, let town know, easy enough. but then begins the escapade of talking about LA Liars incessantly. Policy lynching is rehashed every game and there is simply no need to dwell on it long. it's like spending a lot of time talking about blues or setup; you're only doing it because you have nothing else to talk about. with that in mind Jitsu finds the need to continually argue with layabout on the subject as such: On March 11 2012 13:41 Jitsu wrote:+ Show Spoiler + What about lying in PM's? In what situation would you use it? Can you logically and clearly explain you're reasoning to the rest of the town when the lie is brought out to the forums? If yes - yes, I would be ok with that. If no - no, don't lie. Simple. Again, calculated lies are something that could potentially have high risk/low reward. Remember that as well.2 On March 12 2012 01:37 Jitsu wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On March 12 2012 01:29 layabout wrote: + Show Spoiler [ tedious LaL crap] + On March 12 2012 01:20 Jitsu wrote: What do you think it means? Accountable means subject to the obligation to report, explain, or justify something; responsible; answerable. If a player lies, and can't do the above, we kill him. If he can justify it, and it's a logical and clearly visible motive, we don't. Why do you think a player who lies shouldn't be lynched? Is it you're opinion that lying isn't Anti-Town? Town lie all the time. Town make illogical moves all the time. Town play anti-town all the time. But if we think they are town we do not lynch them. So, a player that is, according to you: 1. lying 2. playing illogically 3. playing anti-town ...has the potential to not be lynched because we might think they are town?3 No. That person will be getting my vote, and I will be doing what I can to push for their lynch, especially if those three things come up. You can do whatever you want with your vote, I guess. On March 12 2012 03:05 Jitsu wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On March 12 2012 02:01 layabout wrote: + Show Spoiler + The steps to overcoming the belief that town players will do what is best for town 1. Click on this link 2. Scroll down 3. When you reach the playerlist click on Toadesstern and rgtheschworz 4. Read through both fliters, paying particular attention to the numerous lies both of them make 5. Discover that townies lie, play anti-town and play illlogically 6. Apologise to layabout Jitsu, being able to guess whether or not a player is town or scum is quite difficult even if players are all acting sensibly. You have to learn to deal with the additional complexity introduced by players playing poorly, illogically or even against their own win condition. I don't have to click that link, because those were the two people I was thinking about from Arkham as well. Part of me thinks that they were allowed to run rampant around because they weren't held accountable for the shit they did. If I remember correctly, RGTS made it alive to the end, or close to it. Instead of him, would you think town would have benefit from someone who didn't spout lies every other post? I certainly do. So again, just because townies lie, don't think logically, and play anti-town, yes, I, and I hope you, will hold them accountable for that.4 There's really no need to carry on this discussion this long; being stubborn and keeping a consistent opinion is a good way to try and look constructive, but in reality the majority of your posts are content-less. They are all just fluffed up varieties of "liars are bad lynch them", and you're just ignoring contrasting opinions to you so that you can post more. problems with your posts: 2. The first part of your post ur like "lies can be good and bad. simple". and it is simple. but the second half of your post you try and make the matter seem complicated with your "lies could potentially be scarry... remmeber that". ??? There's no need for you to try and fear-monger here, especially when in the very same post you acknoledge that lies can be calculated and logical. 3.people who play bad =/= mafia and that fact that you blatantly ignore this with your "NOPE NOPE lying is bad" is pretty glaring. Gumshoe, in Surprisingly Normal VII is pretty indicative of this: his early posts were bad and everyone was like "lol look at this scum", but if you actually analyzed his motivations it was clear he was a hapless newbie. you're giving yourself a reason to auto-lynch someone off of "policy", and when it comes up that the dude was just did a town gambit, you'll respond "well he was being anti-town and I will never consider the slight possibility that an anti-town person could be town." -.- 4. you hold people who play anti-town accountable by telling them in thread "ur playing bad stop". your version of holding people accountable is "push to lynch them off of pre-determined reason". policy lynches are bad because you don't have to use actual reasoning to advance them. you're ignoring layabout's point, that we should focus on lynching scum, whereas you are focusing on lynching people who are "bad". 95% of my cases as scum have been on people who were playing bad, and I passed it off as "well he was playing terribly anti-town good riddance". This is NOT an acceptable way to conduct lynches, especially considering this is supposed to be a higher level game. Remember that this is essentially all Jitsu has been talking about all game. what's the motivation for him to do this and only this? He harps on these purported anti-town figures instead of actually hunting for people acting anti-town, which he could easily do with the type of posting that has gone on thus far. Finally, Jitsu's first "case" On March 12 2012 09:41 Jitsu wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hmmm, looking at it again, I think prphlz's reason to vote for Jackal is a much larger amount of bullshit then Caller's. For instance, you point out that he is using things such as Instead he is pushing it in a very meek way with his "forgive me" and "sir". That yells sarcasm to me a lot more then it screams scum. Wiggles brings up a good point. prphlz is a player that wouldn't just happen to miss the name of someone that posted. It's almost like prphlz was waiting for Curu to post something, realized he fucked up, then tried to cover it. 6 It's not surprising that prphlz mistakes Curu for Caller, and then 10 minutes later, Curu ACTUALLY comes out with a small little case against Jackal as well. Shit reeks.5 ##vote prphlz 5. Super flimsy case. you just cherry picked the person who put the least substantial case on Jackal, then fabricated reasons why prplhz's actions are scummy. Your case boils down to "I think your case on Jackal is wrong", and "a town prplhz would not mistake Curu's name for Caller". Do I even need to explain why this is so fake? voting someone off of a mistaken name? jesus ur scum | ||
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On March 12 2012 19:21 prplhz wrote: +1 for the Pink Floyd reference though. @EchelonTee How do you feel about Jackal58? You only say that it's fast forming, but it's not really JubJubs flocking, it was three reasonable experienced townies who are very capable of forming their own opinion who all saw the same thing. If anything is unsettling, it's the lack of people jumping on the wagon after the initial three. On March 12 2012 17:33 jaybrundage wrote: Alright I think that Jackal's defense was piss poor. He didnt push any lynches and i think that prplhz has a good point. This could be the very rare very unlikly scum lynch day one. Given that none of the other cases seem good. lol at the matt case Vote Jackal58 hey look its a jubjub Saying that multiple people coming to the same conclusion at the same time doesn't mean squat, and I don't like how you imply those 3 people are likely town. In surprinsingly normal VII I posted a fake ass case on Bluelightz, then Shraft posted a nigh-identical case on it. scum and town can come to the same conclusions. I also am getting tired of meta arguments. I believed all you vets in TL L (oh palmar is being a scummy fck lynch him, NOT), and I tried to apply it in Newbie Mini III (DYH just decided to play differently trolol), but meta and only meta cannot convince me anymore. | ||
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On March 12 2012 15:01 Bill Murray wrote: jitsu, what are your thoughts on layabout's alignment this game? I'd like to hear this as well | ||
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i said the wrong game titles a few times: i was scum with fake case in Normal Mini I, and made bad meta case on DYH in surprisingly VII. my #6 was supposed to be that jitsu is sheeping a rly weak point from wiggles. wiggles was like "it's weird that you talked about caller but thought it was curu", and jitsu takes that and says "prplhz being weird? must be scum!". jitsu twists what wiggles' was saying about prplhz, to make prplhz look bad. @mattchew you go for the case that you merely "don't hate" over the one you "like"? buh? i thought you were going to agree with me that meta is a weak arguement, but ur post, and ur vote dont seem lined up | ||
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On March 12 2012 21:28 Mattchew wrote: and i don't hate it means I like it. Its a common phrase used amongst me and my friends, I can see how that doesn't translate as well to a wider audience, yay for typing freely like i was on skype or gchat! shh if the hosts hear you talking like this they'll smite you  i should clarify that i'm not saying meta is completely trash; just that a case based almost solely on meta (curu's), I simply cannot support. got school. peace yall | ||
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On March 13 2012 00:38 Jitsu wrote: At this point, I was essentially finished talking about Lynch All Liars. I stressed my point many times, and felt that it was enough and didn't need to be reopened. You say that I continued to talk about the LaL policy up. Also, ET, you're first quote...: <quote> ...is in response to gumshoe. Go back and look at it. I didn't feel the need to add a quote because his post was one or two above mine, and was "easily" associated with it. It's not a continuation, it's a response. Don't make it out like it is. I say that you continued to talk about the LaL policy because... you did. you spent almost 2/3 of the day cycle on the topic when it really should only be talked about briefly, if at all. The fact that that quote is towards gumshoe, and not layabout, does not change the fact that your only contributions to the thread was this policy discussion that doesn't even really relate to any people in the thread. you said somewhere that first goal of town is to look innocent: I feel that you're taking that knowledge in mind as a mafioso and trying to look pro-town, when you're really not. On March 13 2012 00:38 Jitsu wrote: Secondly, you say that my case on prphlz is flimsy. How many games have you played? Have you ever mis-read the name of a player? It's generally the first thing I look at when someone posts. I don't "get all giddy and assume" that it's someone. You think prphlz would just go right by a nametag at the top of a post, and assume it's someone? Please. You and I both know he is better then that. How does that not give outside communication? Curu already say they weren't PMing, so that kills that reason. I don't think I have EVER seen a legit case built off of an fn posting mistake. prplhz just has a severe case of sheeping; he sees the red text, he wants to follow teh leader. you're also heavily implicating a prplhz-Curu scumbuddy connection, without providing any basis for it except for "no one could possibly misread a name". if you wanted to build a real case you would have done more work on prplhz' other posts, but of course, you don't want to do that. On March 13 2012 01:21 Curu wrote: Get off Jitsu. There is no reason for Mafia to spew something stupid like that if him and Jackal are opposite alignments. 1. Jackal Town Jitsu Mafia = why protect Jackal with something dumb right now, should just go with it and let us case formers take the fall after flip 2. Jackal Town Jitsu Town = can explain his actions 3. Jackal Mafia Jitsu Town = can explain his actions 4. Jackal Mafia Jitsu Mafia = can explain his actions In scenario 1 Jitsu could easily be setting himself up for a good D2 mislynch: "see guys I knew jackal wasn't mafia. let's kill prplhz, he was a big sheep on that case". He didn't exactly proclaim Jackal's, nor confront the more solid cases against him, so it's not like he's "protecting" jackal that much at all. To me it looks like he's putting in the seed of a case that he knows won't germinate until later. Scenario 4 I could see happening, but I see Jitsu as way more likely to flip Mafia. The train of people voting for Jackal screams bandwagon. I'm not changing my vote. | ||
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On March 13 2012 05:37 Jitsu wrote: First of all, there is a difference between responding to people in the thread when they ask me something, and continuing to talk about something that doesn't help the town. See what you are doing right now? You're responding. It's a main component to conversation, or discussion. Coming up with a bullshit case that I kept going on about "policy" when I tried to reiterate a large number of times that instead of enforcing a policy, we should hold people accountable, is putting words in my mouth. If anything, you're bringing this shit up more, after "2/3 of the Day Cycle" is actually up, since the last time I spoke of it was five hours into the game. Stop trying to dramatize shit and make it look much worse then it actually is. Secondly, I could care less if you have never seen a posting mistake lead to a lynch. That's part of the reason there's no editing in forum mafia. Right? But then again, you come to the attempt of trying to be aggressive, by saying I don't want to do any work. Is it better then coming out and making a case that is 100% incorrect? Yes. I think my point is an extremely valid one, more so then a simple "He was answering other peoples concerns about his idea, so he must be scum." JubJubJubJub. Everyone is saying that Jackal's case was based on meta. He's playing very similar to how I saw him play in Storm. He flipped town. That was one reason I didn't vote for him. I am aware that there is a semantic, English language difference between responding to something, and continuing to talk about said topic, but you are COMPLETELY side-stepping my point, which is that 1. adherance to policy lynching is scummy, and 2. talking about policy lynching (responding or not responding) is scummy. I'm bringing this up more because that's why I find you scummy, broski. You posted about this LAL stuff March 11/12, which I saw as 2/3 of day cycle. If you want to go to the PRECISE, EXACT hour count you didn't drone on THAT long about the topic, but like I said, it doesn't change the fact that the majority of your posts have no direction. And saying I'm dramatizing shit? You're playing it down; you weren't talking about LAL for ONLY the first 5 hours into the game -.- Lastly, my stating that "I have never seen a posting mistake lead to a lynch" isn't me saying that I simply have never seen it. I'm saying that it's a TERRIBLE, GOD AWFUL case, that only people not reading carefully, or eager to sheep would legitimately believe in. Considering that you aren't acting like a jubjub, I conclude that you made a fake ass case. Questions? anyone that's not Jitsu? no use arguing with someone who's scum. UGH at that roleclaim, made me lower my opinion of you innocence greatly, jackal. it's WIFOM time gaiz: "oh i got roleblocked sorry shot didn't go off at all", or "oh i dont want to shoot yet i dont have any good scumreads it'll just suicide me". For someone who proclaims in every game that you die early as town, I don't know how you think you are playing pro-town at all. | ||
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On March 14 2012 07:43 VisceraEyes wrote: @Town Hey, ready for your minds to be blown?! rgTheShwortz and EchlonTees are playing in this game with us! :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO -.- grouping me with RGTS really? i'm hurt VE On March 14 2012 08:40 jaybrundage wrote: Hm if this is Town VE I don't know quite what to say I have only seen VE's scum play. XD Glad Palmar is here funny thing i only seen Palmar's town play XD (And one pro town third party) Palmar are you going to claim your DT check or not :o. Tommorow I think we should shoot into one of the scummy lurkers. I agree. I propose you, JB. | ||
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On March 14 2012 08:46 VisceraEyes wrote: You should be - that's pretty effing poor company right now. Guy has one post. And here it is!so you want to explain how you're comparing to me to someone who has 1 post, when there are many people with less posts than myself? is your plan to just annoy as many people as possible and use their anger at you as evidence? | ||
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On March 12 2012 15:57 Node wrote: + Show Spoiler + Right now I'm feeling the Jackal lynch more than anything else. He says that he plays differently every game, but I feel that enough of a case has been made to show that that's not at all true (see: Curu's post). His tentative posting so far this game does remind me of his posts in Hammer Mini Mafia, where he was also scum. He also listed me as one of the "good" players, which is so utterly wrong it's hilarious. (not a real reason for voting him, but seriously, I'm terribad) I also don't think that Caller is scum, based purely on the fact that he's the first person to make a real case and get some actual discussion going. I feel scum would've been content to let the thread continue to wallow in LaL arguments and the PM debate, where no progress was being made. Exhibit A of how to join a bandwagon with no reasoning, yet somehow take up 2 paragraphs. On March 13 2012 10:02 Node wrote: + Show Spoiler + I'm thinking it over. Didn't want it to become a majority while I was unsure. Bigger post coming. Reeks of uncertainty, reluctance to commit. says bigger post coming with no follow up. On March 13 2012 11:36 Node wrote: + Show Spoiler + Oh well, it might just be an empty gesture at this point, but I'm going to vote Sheth for not explaining his vote on BM and excessive lurking, especially after claiming he would be posting more today. Others are welcome to join me. Highly ironic post, not even attempting to make sense. I believe someone else also pointed out how bad this post is. Does anyone actually think that Node is town? | ||
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On March 14 2012 08:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Are you angered by the attention Echelon? Does my calling you into the thread make you uncomfortable or something? I don't have a "plan" outside of finding and destroying scum. And I didn't ever 'compare' you with rg - only called you both out in the same post. What's with the defensiveness bro? Something to hide? Yeah, doesn't feel so great to be on the receiving end of random accusations based on nothing does it? How about instead of getting instantly defensive, you take it for what it was - a prod into activity? yep i'm angered that you compare me to RGTS because I'm nothing like him either in my posts, or as a player. and yes, it IS a comparison when you group me with the same modifier; what's with people trying to use language semantics to fabricate nonsense. and are you implying that I have been making random accusations based on nothing, or are you self-defining your accusion as baseless? lmao. i was typing a long angry rant against you, but your post reminds me a lot of when I prodded slOosh in Surprisingly Normal VII. Not that you'd care about what happened there b/c i'm a scrubby newbie, obvi. | ||
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On March 14 2012 10:13 gumshoe wrote: Anyone have any questions for me? If not I'm going to bed. uh why dyou hate matt for agreeing with your earlier read? | ||
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On March 14 2012 12:28 Bill Murray wrote: I am going to be making a case on deconduo shortly, if he is still alive. I am still finishing up another game, but when I am done with that, I will be catching up on this one, and hunting some scum. ...if you scroll up even a little bit, you could see the day post. just a teensy bit up | ||
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On March 14 2012 12:28 Bill Murray wrote: I am going to be making a case on deconduo shortly, if he is still alive. I am still finishing up another game, but when I am done with that, I will be catching up on this one, and hunting some scum. On March 14 2012 12:34 Bill Murray wrote: i didnt see there were nightkills already i can decipher he is town from reading up on him he is my number one target when i have time for this game my head is literally going to explode | ||
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did caller actually pm sentinel, or is someone lying? | ||
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1. It makes utterly no sense to frame you, and I don't even think scum can frame someone as traitor. 2. Caller is implying that what you said makes no sense, or is false. I'll wait to see what he says | ||
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On March 15 2012 07:30 prplhz wrote: Curu and Palmar both think this too so there has to be something about it, yes? you realize that curu is just mindlessly sheeping whatever Palmar says, even though he had earlier quoted Mig's statement that dreamflower is more anti-town than not. | ||
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On March 15 2012 23:51 Palmar wrote: I don't care. ...WHY does everyone think palmar is town again?? He asked caller to shoot node, and is now utilizing another power to kill jackal. if jackal flips green then palmar is fn scum and i'm going to tunnel his uncaring ass endlessly | ||
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On March 16 2012 01:38 Palmar wrote: let's kill everyone who isnt' obvious town obvious town being mattchew, sentinel, me, jitsu, gumshoe and maybe katina and rgTS. sentinel?? RGTS?? and posting town lists really? ur lack of effort is really showing. it is not impossible to replace in a game and you're just making excuses. | ||
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On March 16 2012 06:46 prplhz wrote: If you really thought it was a good idea to try to hint that you were the traitor in the thread then you really need to start thinking things over. There are 18 townies looking for people trying to claim traitor and only 4 scum, who do you think is likely going to see it first? I'm not really worried that there are other types of pokémon, because I don't know those other types. You are probably the only one in this game who knows so much about pokémon so it makes perfect sense to use Rattata because it looks like you're the traitor while you can just make up some excuse if people call you out. It's also weird that you're trying to implement crazy plans when you have a potentially very powerful role. Think about it: making the Mafia waste their traitor guess is almost akin to the Mafia losing a member. Unless the traitor is able to make 3/4 correct scum reads (so ez mirite), 0.5 kp is forever denied from Mafia. Guess what; Mafia with less KP is a good thing. I don't know about you, but I've been focusing on looking for people who look scummy in general, not hunting for obscure traitor tells. When I saw Kurumi post that Rattata thing and talk about pokemon my first instinct was that he was trolling. Obvi other people read it differently, AKA Mafia could've read it as such. Of course we don't actually know if Mafia whiffed their guess yet, but Kurumi hasn't been acting blatantly anti-town. I also find it weird that you think this weird as shit "dreamer" role is potentially very powerful, over say, a DAYVIG, or even just a plain ol DT. I don't want to lynch Kurumi. I would like to lynch BM but that probably is not going to happen at this point. | ||
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On March 16 2012 10:39 Ver wrote: rgtheschworz is getting replaced. We are in the process of finding someone so please be patient here. thank god. deadline is in 10 mins right? | ||
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just remembered that its alignment only flips lol. | ||
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On March 16 2012 13:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Bill Murray/jaybrundage/Katina/EchelonTee any questions? Palmar proved his roleclaim was legit, thinking he's scum is just stupid at this point. I really, really dislike people going around claiming "X/Y/Z" is confirmed town. I thought Palmar's strengths as town were his transparency and his case building. In this game he's been completely non-transparent about his cases, which has consisted of: 1. Node is trash (I agreed) 2. Jackal I don't like you/you should've shot and potentially caused 2 townie deaths (rly bad case) 3. uhh err ninja vote Kurumi before deadline (wat). Seriously Curu, "Palmar had no reason to give up Kurumi"? If Palmar was scum he HAD to vote out Kurumi at that point. If jackal flips green and Palmar hasn't produced any reds, he would've been instantly voted off the island, no question. Now he gains a lot of townie cred even though he didn't at all push the Kurumi lynch along." Palmar either A. stumbled into that lynch(town) or B. calculated move to gain cred(red). @gumshoe he's not saying BM is good, he's saying that we're all bad for not voting Kurumi. which I am. | ||
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On March 16 2012 13:28 Curu wrote: Echelon, Palmar started the case on Kurumi. Read the Skype convo I posted, he basically told me about his informant's claim, I point out that his informant is probably Mafia, Palmar outs Kurumi's name into the thread. Without Palmar's info this lynch doesn't happen today. He has been playing a bit odd but get off him. He is not worthy of any suspicion at this point. fine. ur intense sheeping is just wtf, though | ||
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On March 16 2012 14:23 jaybrundage wrote: WAIT how is Palmar getting cred for 1. the lynch i pushed. This doesnt make any sense. You guys are delusional. You are assuming Palmar is town based on nothing. He hasn't dont shit this game. Besides kill two townies. Saying Palmar is confirmed town is pretty retarded. He's not He needs to start pushing good lynches and start doing work as town. DocH i think your town because you were pushing the Kurumi lynch with me. But your not making sense. Cant a get a single townie that can be transparent. I want to lynch Katina next. 2. She was trying to kill node. who was green. And then she tried to get people to look at cases and not lynch Kurumi. If people think im scum rofl moslty you DocH you think im scum for what reason. Starting a lynch on a scum? Post a case on me. This case will probably determine to me if your scum or not. 3. So please put some work in it. 1. no you didn't push that. several other people put cases on him, u just accused him of being traitor once. begging for cred? 2. I wanted to kill node too, who was green. that make me scum? Jackal wanted to kill node too. that make him scum? oh wait. 3. hypocrisy~ | ||
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Who I pm'd: Night 1 Mr. Wiggles - wiggles seemed like one of the more pro-town posters in thread (read: not crazy) and I thought'd he'd be a more active town presence. only been talking about general town happenings, not extensive. On Day 2 Mattchew - I figured that since me and mattchew know each other a fair amount (more than I would non-newbie players) he would be able to read me and vice versa. This was only after I had a more solid read on him, by D2; I've chatted a lot with him over skype. I'm going to be traveling all of tonight, and tomorrow is St. patty's day so I'm likely to be mostly awol for the next ~18hrs. needless to say I've been scummily lurking for most of the game so suspicion on me is fully warranted. going to try and construct better reads from now on. | ||
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On March 17 2012 12:26 Caller wrote: ##Kill: Palmar no need to thank me guys scum going all in eh? | ||
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On March 17 2012 12:48 Mattchew wrote: setup is weird to begin with... 18 - 4 - 1 i think? I could see scum having a killing role +1 if 10-4 is considered balanced (mini) then 18-4 probably needs something. weak roles contributes I suppose (suicide vig, PM detective), but not enough. | ||
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On March 18 2012 06:40 Mattchew wrote: Caller is good lynch I'll switch my vote tomeroq happy at Patricks day Yaaaaaaaaaaa caller doesn't rly give any good leads after this b/c of his chaotic posting though -.- his connections to people seem to have swapped at his random whim. I guess VE had a correct read way back when. Should look at palmar 's reads, cuz, you know he's flipped town. | ||
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On March 19 2012 10:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I forgot to vote. T.T Obviously scum who tried to resist caller lynch + Show Spoiler + jk <3 | ||
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On March 19 2012 08:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: As scummy as JB is he does have a point. Only because there was obvious resistance to the Kurumi lynch (scum) which was even more convincing than this one which has basically no resistance at this point. I don't get how you can say with a straight face that kurumi was more obvious than caller. Kurumi trolled, did a weird traitor thing, and had a botched role claim, which sufficiently distracted town, but in a confusing manner only. Caller up and shot palmar with no provocation, which was blatantly against town in Egbert sense of the word. I have a hunch that scum went all in b/c they knew they had to take down palmar now or never. All we have to do is wait for this flip.... THs cycle is critical for town | ||
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On March 19 2012 13:07 Mattchew wrote: also decon, you may want to think of checking the PM's of caller or kurumi can you check pm of dead people? also decon ur list has Node on the living portion | ||
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On March 19 2012 13:51 Bill Murray wrote: I KNEW IT, CONFIRMED TOWN RIGHT HERE gawd not this confirmed town nonsense again -_- | ||
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On March 19 2012 13:30 jaybrundage wrote: Nice, Towards the end of the day i was skeptical we would killing a townie. Glad to see i was wrong. androba is looking pretty townie atm wouldn't be surprised if scum tried killing her. Rofl kinda sucks for scum. The two people that replaced into this game are town powerhouses Palmar and Sandroba. I still think Katina is a good lynch. I dont like how many lurkers we have had this game. Im gonna be going thru filters and try to find more scum. why exactly are u saying sandroba is pretty townie at this point when it's not under discussion? there's no reason to bring that up; calling people townie if they are green juts puts a target on their back (scum want to shoot people already think are town, not people who have suspicion), and if they are red, then ur juts giving them cred for free. i hope u legitimately go thru filters and scum hunt; I'll be posting my reads right before deadline | ||
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On March 19 2012 12:44 Jitsu wrote: I'm not entirely surprised by the flip. After looking at the way the roles worked, it seems there is a negative to balance out the positive aspect of the role. Jackals role was a vig that died if he chose poorly. Deconduo is a Detective that checks PM lines. It would make sense since the numbers seemed to favor town that the more vanilla type roles without the down side would be scum based. IE: day vig with two bullets. Any thoughts on lunches tomorrow? I'm partial to Katina at the moment, still. I agree with what ur saying; this also means we should avoid making undue assumptions about the setup. it is a closed setup after all, we should focus on case building / reads until it comes to a mass claim stage. for lunch i'd like a burrito. miss mexican food | ||
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On March 20 2012 03:43 sandroba wrote: So did decon claim anything useful about his powers so far? There was supposed to be 2 kills ytd right? I don't think scum would trade 1 kill for a .5 power so something is off. it looks like he claimed that he can check someone for who they pm'd, and who is pming them. it's a pretty weak role, but his info doesn't seem like it could be faked. if someone was shot, it could've been helpful to claim it (not the medic obvi), bit late for that. imo it's kind of wifom-y to worry about that too much; scum could've used cover, RB, anything. | ||
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On March 20 2012 02:14 sandroba wrote: I can't really buy into the idea that all mafia bussed kurumi and caller opted not to enjoy the free town cred. caller being off kurumi means he doesn't get free town cred yah, but when he shot palmar any remaining he cred 0'd out. maybe scum bussed kurumi, leaving caller off just incase it ended up nolynch, knowing that they were going to use caller as a suicide bomber | ||
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Abenson On March 11 2012 13:42 Abenson wrote: Alright, checking in to the game. Goal #1: Make all my post contain 3+ lines. For the day 1 lynch I think we should just lynch the lurkers to force them to talk. Abenson opened the game saying that he would try and post longer/with more content (3+ lines). quite obviously, he has not done so this game, but unlike other lurkers that come in and state strong opinions on things from time to time, Abenson has literally said nothing all game long. For every lynch, he has simply agreed with whatever following had the most votes, completely and utterly taking away any responsibility he could have in these lynches. Not only that, but in this post he puts his suspicion on both of the leading candidates, so that no matter what happens or who flips what, he was there, by not being there. His words on caller have been equally strange. He earlier simply says caller is "trolling" and we should ignore him, then N2 (when caller openly says he will shoot palmar), Abenson states "im worried mafia will shoot caller". This encourages people to see caller as not being serious about claiming a future shot on palmar, so that caller can make it to the day and pow pow palmar. then in the day, he leaves one post: "caller looks the best. voting him. toodles~" This level of active lurking should not be ignored anymore. Mr. Wiggles I've been pming wiggles for a while and I thought he was town for a while, but the more I think about it the more I do not like him. His initial post was pretty strong and logical, but for the rest of the game he does nothing to match this. Wiggles has been in a position of knowledge (able to talk to palmar, myself, a bunch of others through pm network) and has had several days to form opinions and stuff. I hate it when people on D1 say stuff like "oh foolishness ur scum because you haven't exposed the entire scum team yet, GO TO WORK", but by D3/4, known players like Wiggles should have taken a strong stance somewhere. wiggles has not provided any direction, only asking questions of others to appear like he is being pro-town. The only time that wiggles ever takes a stance of any type is when he posts this list, where he also randomly calls deconduo town based off of pms. I wouldn't mind this kind of post D1. On D3/N3, wiggles is essentially saying "lynch into this list and we will strike scum. but uh don't lynch me", while not giving any reasoning whatsoever. The kicker, for me, comes from my conversation in PMs and Wiggles' stance on Palmar: Wiggles and I talked about a number of thread topics, and he always replied with a fairly consistent post length, in terms of content and depth (standard paragraph) | ||
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The kicker, for me, comes from my conversation in PMs and Wiggles' stance on Palmar: Wiggles and I talked about a number of thread topics, and he always replied with a fairly consistent post length, in terms of content and depth (standard paragraph). but on the topic of palmar (and mattchew), wiggles posted wayy more analysis and reasoning about why he felt palmar was suspicious, especially considering jackal's town flip. The fact that he put a lot more on this (pm was 2.5x length), while ignoring the fact that palmar took out kurumi, and other aspects of the game in general, makes me feel that he was tryign to get me to push palmar (i had earlier said I would push palmar if jackal flipped green). It's weird that he would put a lot of effort into that push, a push made out of thread and towards a newbie, and if I had gone for it and palmar flipped green, I would take the fall for him completely. overall wiggles don't take responsibility. yah. | ||
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On March 20 2012 12:24 sandroba wrote: I'm waiting to see if I'll have to read 70 pages of stuff or not. looks like ur still in for the long haul brudder @layabout any scumhunting yet? | ||
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On March 20 2012 18:56 Bill Murray wrote: Sandroba and Mr. Wiggles, thanks for being obvious scum pushing an easy mislynch on me Expect a big post about these two and EchelonTee tomorrow; i've got you guys, take off your hats, royalty is entering the room ....what? | ||
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On March 21 2012 01:13 Curu wrote:+ Show Spoiler + As for Abenson, he has so little material because he is not posting at all. But then it's even worse because in such little material he has quite a few connections to scum. First off he starts the game with: On March 11 2012 13:42 Abenson wrote: Alright, checking in to the game. Goal #1: Make all my post contain 3+ lines. For the day 1 lynch I think we should just lynch the lurkers to force them to talk. Maybe we should follow his advice and lynch him. On day 1: On March 12 2012 22:49 Abenson wrote: Just ignore Caller's case on DrH completely. He's just trolling. The other stuff he posted seems to be legit though. Just ignore Caller he's trolling. lol. Why would Abenson pop in from his nonposting to just make a post on something so random? Its his one post on the day and it decides to single out Caller and tell us to ignore him. In the night: On March 15 2012 22:57 Abenson wrote: I'm kinda worried that the mafia will kill Caller tonight. Again this out-of-nowhere fascination with Caller. No comments on anything else, no other posts, just something trying to protect Caller. When you look at the Kurumi lynch Kurumi randomly started posting stuff about Abenson too when it was very close to Kurumi getting lynched. He had to know there was no chance at all for Abenson to get lynched, Jackal or something was a more real possibility. I think Kurumi knew he was going down and decided to randomly name someone to try to get his scum buddy Town cred. Abenson, in about 5 posts, has clear connections to both scum who have flipped. This expands on what I was getting at on Abenson, my vote is on him. post on wiggles next | ||
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On March 20 2012 22:11 deconduo wrote: Sandroba, Jaybrudage, Curu, Sentinel, Abenson, BM you guys need to claim your masons now. this I'm the one who prty much initiated the Abenson lynch (even though a lot of people agreed with me without expressing mcuh on the topic earlier...), so JB being on it isn't so much a bus, as a "vote for nearest lynch". btw when I said @layabout any scum hunting, that was meant to be @jaybrundage, mbad. JB you said last night that you were going to be looking through filters, dyou have any original reads, or is it still Katina-Abenson at this point? | ||
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On March 20 2012 13:16 Mr. Wiggles wrote: + Show Spoiler + Why would I ask you to lynch me? I also never told you to lynch into the list right away, either.1. I told you that there's scum in the list, and if everyone dies in it except for a few people, then you have a scum there nearly for sure. I don't see why I'd give reasoning for not lynching myself, when I wouldn't lynch myself, and know I'm town. I kept myself on the list for everyone, but took myself and deconduo off for myself, so there's no need to justify not lynching myself, to myself. 2. I put a lot more into that PM, because the PM was mostly hypothesis that needed external confirmation. I never said that Palmar was scum, just that everyone calling him confirmed town was stupid and that I wanted to probe deeper into his reasonings and keep my eye on him. Palmar didn't take out Kurumi, Kurumi took out himself. Palmar made a super-timid wishy-washy post saying that Kurumi claimed to him, and didn't even push the lynch. I even wrote this in my PM, if you read it.3. If you think this was an attempt to get you to push Palmar, then I don't know what to say. I didn't say he was certain scum, I never asked you to push him in the thread, and I never even proclaimed I had decided for myself that he was scum, because I was still trying to get him to tell me why he shot Jackal. Also, there's no way you'd have been able to lynch Palmar by yourself, even if I asked you to. If I wanted to do that, I'd have had to lead the lynch myself. So, that wouldn't even be a realistic plan. Also, when you're posting a case that 4.has a large basis in your PM communications with someone, why wouldn't you post the relevant PMs? I think that would show a lot more, and let people form their own opinion. 1. my point is that your conclusion doesn't really make sense, and has the tone of someone trying to contribute, when really you aren't. Caller and Kurumi are both vets; the scum team could easily be rounded out by newer players. 2/3. I might've jumped the gun a bit when I said "you were trying to get me to push Palmar", but it still stands that you put a LOT more effort in your read on Palmar, while comparatively very little on the rest on the game, and when palmar flipped green I had to rescrutinize you. Believe me, everyone sheeping Palmar annoyed me and I was very skeptical, but anyone should've been able to recognize that him and Mattchew hammering Kurumi was a big deal. 4.My case doesn't have a "large basis" in pm communications, but you're right that I should've posted the logs. The basis of case is that you've been very apathetic about the game, not caring about the proceedings and only making slight prods at people, when you've have had more than enough information and time to do stuff. You're in-thread lack of presence and purpose looks rly scummy. On March 20 2012 15:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote: The best thing to do with either of them, would be to 5. put actual lynch pressure on them, and see how they react. Not make little cases that don't amount to anything, but seriously threaten them with the lynch until they can satisfy us that they're actually town. Also, EchelonTee, what do you think of 6.Curu agreeing with your case? 5. that's what i'm doing towards you, and I don't like how you're reacting; you haven't rly addressed that you've been very listless in thread, while being way more active in pms where you can't be as easily tracked. 6. i thought it was a little weird considering he hasn't said anything on these topics on the past (forgive me if i'm wrong), but curu likes agreeing with others i spose. On March 21 2012 00:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Your reasoning is terrible. You take a list posted by Palmar, where if you're telling the truth, has 2 townies on it who flipped and another who is checked, and two scum, and say that we should lynch everyone on the list? 7.How about I list 10 people in the game, I'm sure I'd hit scum too. Appealing to authority like that shows you don't actually have a basis for lynching me, or at least not one of your own, so you have to regurgitate what Palmar has said. 7. .....that is EXACTLY what you did earlier!!! "here's a lynch of vets, gotta be scum in here, if there's still some alive in this list, lynch the rest whoopee!" by criticizing Matt, you're contradicting yourself here VERY glaringly. On March 21 2012 06:37 Mr. Wiggles wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 21 2012 06:28 Curu wrote: So why have you not Masoned anyone? And why Bill Murray? What about Abenson or Katina? I haven't masoned anyone, because a bunch of people masoned me, so I figured I could save them for later in the game if I wanted to. After everyone claimed their contacts though, 8. everyone talking to me went silent, for whatever reason. I don't see how that would reflect on my alignment at all. If you're talking about the lynch, I said Bill Murray, 9. because he's the most dangerous of the lurkers, and because Dr. H drew a link between them. If you look at my post, it's not a "Let's kill this person and ignore the others" kind of thing, it's meant to go systematically through the people and actually threaten them with the lynch to see how they react. If we still think they're scum, we follow through. That's basically what's happening to abenson right now. He's actually being threatened with the lynch, and if he can't do anything to stop that, he will be killed. I wanted to start with Bill Murray though, instead of abenson. Notice how I called him out, and then he suddenly jumps into the thread, OMGUS's, and promises future analysis which he has yet to deliver on. That show's he's actively lurking, not just inactive, and he wants to acquiesce the town. Also, now that we've seen mafia can have a role like day-vig, can't BM acting 'like a blue' also be interpreted as being a mafia power role? 8. I have tried to talk to you plenty, and it takes forever for you to respond. i can understand if you're busy with RL stuff, but at some point it feels like you are being evasive. 9. how exactly is BM the most dangerous of the lurkers? you don't even go into his posts, or try and distinguish him from other lurkers. BM is someone who I've seen time and time again reveal his true colors very obviously as the game goes on; I only see him as dangerous in the early game when he causes a ruckus (TL L). I don't like your defenses at all. deconduo any reason you think wiggles is town, or is it just from pms? | ||
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On March 22 2012 07:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You're completely missing the point of my post. "I'm town" is not a defense nor does it indicate my alignment. Since when is anyone expected to have 100% of their reads right? I'm more upset by how awful you are as a player than anything, maybe that's clouding my judgment. Either way you flip, you are a horrible player Whether or not someone is awful is independent of alignment; you should make your case sometime instead of just bickering with JB, most stubborn MF alive. I mean omfg, if you REALIZE that this arguing is clouding your judgement then you should just back off and reassess. On March 22 2012 08:31 jaybrundage wrote: Not true Matt layabout was FOSing me and wanted to lynch me. I never said he was tunneling. Doc if you think im a bad player and that is clouding your judgement on my alignment. I don't know what to say to you stop being childish maybe? I just think what happened is that me being confident in my reads rubbed you the wrong way. Because of that you are trying to get me out of the game because you didn't like my cockiness? I don't usually play this aggressively. However nothing wrong with a play style switch. I disagree with you. I think I have been playing very well this game. I pushed Kurumi and I also think Katina will flip red as well. Funny Doc doesn't think I can prove that I'm not scum. Must be scum then. Doc I didn't know you played mafia jubjub style XD Stop being childish really? take your own advice. really, no one has been playing well this game so for you to have rly weird play D1/N1 (you looked rly damn scummy to me and others), then to come out guns ablazing D2 was really strange, and people calling you out for it is totally appropriate. And your last sentence just hurts my brain: "doc doesnt think I can prove that i'm not scum. must be scum then". ??? think before you post please???????????? On March 22 2012 10:19 sandroba wrote: Alright, so what do you plan to accomplish with all this spam back and forth between you 2? You believe that if you say he is scum another 20 times all the thread is going to last minute switch into lynching him and leave poor lurker abenson who posted 4x more now that he is up for lynch than in all previous days together? docH hasn't been trying to switch the vote to JB, he's making his opinion clear that he does not agree with Abenson lynch. you're misportraying what is he doing for no reason; I agree their back and forth is shit but for you to not even address JB's flaws (they exist, omfg), is quite unfair. Flip time | ||
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Deconduo's alignment isn't set in stone (nobody's is) but him revealing all of the PM info along with the general tone of his posts puts him lower down on the totem (lynch) pole. Mattchew and I discussed this, among other things. On that topic, we shouldn't just forget the people who died + their reads. I want Katina or Wiggles lynched; Wiggles for aforementioned reasons, Katina, because prplhz died at a seemingly random time, and she knew his role. pms betwn Matt and Katina: + Show Spoiler + [12:01:16 PM] Matt Kaplan: hi [12:07:20 PM] Summer Barnes: i! [12:07:24 PM] Summer Barnes: Hi! [12:07:35 PM] Matt Kaplan: still think im scum? [12:08:05 PM] Summer Barnes: Questionable [12:08:16 PM] Matt Kaplan: lol [12:10:09 PM] Summer Barnes: That's why I messaged you :D [12:10:19 PM] Matt Kaplan: im not [12:10:27 PM] Matt Kaplan: i knew prp was medic when you did [12:10:42 PM] Matt Kaplan: and the fact that scum def tried to shoot palmar [12:10:47 PM] Matt Kaplan: should clear me [12:11:01 PM] Matt Kaplan: cause i would never have let them shoot him with prp medic and them in PM's [12:11:10 PM] Matt Kaplan: thats why i knew you were town [12:11:16 PM] Matt Kaplan: and have stuck up for you the entire game [12:13:08 PM] Summer Barnes: did palmar take a hit the night gumshoe died? [12:13:19 PM] Matt Kaplan: well [12:13:24 PM] Matt Kaplan: thats what me and prp assume [12:13:33 PM] Matt Kaplan: cause prp was busy paramedic [12:13:44 PM] Matt Kaplan: meaning him and his targets don't know if they are healed [12:14:08 PM] Matt Kaplan: but its the only reasonable logic for only 1 kill [12:14:19 PM] Matt Kaplan: prp even said it in thread [12:14:25 PM] Matt Kaplan: that caller just finished the job [12:16:36 PM] Matt Kaplan: im going to lunch [12:16:43 PM] Matt Kaplan: ill be back on in like 45 min [12:16:48 PM] Summer Barnes: okay [12:16:56 PM] Matt Kaplan: mull all that over [12:17:03 PM] Summer Barnes: i will [12:55:35 PM] Matt Kaplan: back [12:56:16 PM] Summer Barnes: k [12:56:49 PM] Summer Barnes: you seem genuine [12:56:56 PM] Summer Barnes: so i believe you [12:57:27 PM] Matt Kaplan: so who's your scum team [12:58:51 PM] Summer Barnes: I'm not mafia [12:58:59 PM] Matt Kaplan: no [12:59:06 PM] Matt Kaplan: like what is your guess at the scum team [1:00:14 PM] Summer Barnes: DrH, deconduo, possibly Abenson [1:00:29 PM] Summer Barnes: maybe echelon [3:29:08 PM] Matt Kaplan: would you vote for wiggles [3:29:12 PM] Matt Kaplan: if there was 6 votes on him [3:29:18 PM] Matt Kaplan: and the other option was a no-lynch [3:30:54 PM] Summer Barnes: I will need to take a better look at him first [3:31:25 PM] Summer Barnes: I won't vote for him at the moment [3:31:45 PM] Summer Barnes: do you think Wiggles has a good chance of being mafia?\ [3:32:12 PM] Matt Kaplan: there are 3 scum [3:32:22 PM] Summer Barnes: most likely [3:32:33 PM] Matt Kaplan: LOL you are so one of them [3:33:05 PM] Summer Barnes: I'm just accounting for all the possibilities\ [3:33:42 PM] Matt Kaplan: what? [3:34:06 PM] Summer Barnes: it's reasonable to assume that the traitor is on the mafia side, given that there was 2 deaths last night [3:34:17 PM] Summer Barnes: though it's possible that mafia have other KP roles [3:34:35 PM] Summer Barnes: or the offchance some idiot townie shot [3:34:58 PM] Matt Kaplan: none of these are reasonable thoughts at all [3:35:03 PM] Matt Kaplan: there are 3 scum [3:35:10 PM] Matt Kaplan: they killed 2 people last night [3:35:16 PM] Summer Barnes: the game started with 4 mafia, 2 are dead [3:35:27 PM] Summer Barnes: that's the most likely scenario yes [3:35:44 PM] Summer Barnes: but for that to happen the traitor would have to have been converted [3:36:12 PM] Matt Kaplan: yes because when the entire game votes on 1 person because they basically scum claimed in the thread [3:36:31 PM] Matt Kaplan: this is pointless [3:36:34 PM] Matt Kaplan: you are scum [3:38:00 PM] Summer Barnes: Again, I'm not mafia. Simply telling you what I'm thinking. [3:38:52 PM] Matt Kaplan: why do you think drh is scum [3:46:35 PM] Summer Barnes: Sorry my wireless gets a bit retarded every now and then [3:46:45 PM] Summer Barnes: because he hasn't put in an honest effort [3:46:53 PM] Summer Barnes: he hasn't really made a strong case on anyone [3:46:58 PM] Summer Barnes: sheeps along with other people [3:47:10 PM] Summer Barnes: he does not seem to 100% care about the lynches [3:47:15 PM] Summer Barnes: and all he does is call people stupid [3:59:00 PM] Summer Barnes: to better answer your earlier question now that I've had time [3:59:11 PM] Summer Barnes: Yes I'll kill Wiggles over a no lynch [3:59:43 PM] Summer Barnes: DrH is still a better target though | ||
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No one has any rebuttal to the wiggles case. Several people have agreed that wiggles usually isn't this disinterested. Wiggles even says its weird for him to reach late game. Why the hell is no one voting him of everyone is suspicious and there its little backing him? the only other cases presented are a meta filed case on drh which is just saying "oh you didn't tell usall your opinions and explain with an essay all of your thoughts, so your scum". Not only has no one explicitly explained their every LSAT idea, this would be detrimental as it would clutter thread. The other one is a very loose case on deconduo thatdoesn't explain anything. Voting wiggles. I've made a case, half of the dead people were suspicious of him, we shouldn't let this slip away. From phone might be typos. I'll be back before deadline, everyone please consider the cases put forth and make a sensible vote. | ||
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On March 25 2012 03:15 Curu wrote: I think there's a very solid reason sandroba was shot and I was left alone. sandroba is a better player, definitely, but he was quite disinterested in the game. I had considered DrH almost certain Town while sandroba was getting pretty suspicious of him in thread and in PMs. That I haven't been shot yet I think shows that I was on the wrong track so I'm going to with sandroba's read. curu I was referring to this post; ur conclusion doesn't make sense, because u are saying that sandroba was shot for a "very solid reason", when in thread you both essentially had the same opinions. Mafia couldn't have shot sandroba for being more "on the right track" because you two were not very indistinguishable in terms of reads. this doesnt matter at this pt, however. @Wiggles if wanting to lynch someone that I think is scum is desparate, while pointing the strangness that lots of people are suspicious of you yet no one pushes you, then sure I'm a desparate SOB. at least i'm not apathetic towards the game. are we no-lynching today? where is everybody. and did ZBot explode, becuase the voting thread shows only 1 active vote. | ||
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On March 25 2012 09:15 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I think one of you or EchelonTee are scum, because scum wouldn't not PM me, especially if they aren't planning on shooting me. what does this mean? "scum wouldn't not pm me" | ||
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BM - non-transparent lurker, much like other people in thread. Unscummy overall, and I trust DT check info from Mattchew. DrH - my opinion of him is very similar to how I feel towards Curu. early game very conducive to town atmosphere, correct on several of the scum lynches. for the past few days have only been bickering/sheeping. if I die, I'd be pushing Katina tomorrow. | ||
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putting my case on katina tonight | ||
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Katina Examining her reason to not vote Kurumi brings up something gold: On March 16 2012 02:58 Katina wrote: Kurumi isn't mafia. He is not just speaking nonsense and flooding the thread even though his plan backfired and caused a major distraction. And in between all of the pokemon crap he was actively speaking his mind. You can tell he is not mafia becaunse his posting has been entirely consistent from day 1. He has not been flip flopping or doing any other tell-tale signs of mafia. ] The key behind Katina thinking Kurumi was town, and also the reasoning she uses to proclaim her town status, is that being "consistent" is a town tell. She states that again in her PM with layabout: + Show Spoiler + [01:06:18] Summer Barnes: I've been clear the entire game on who I think is mafia [01:06:26] Summer Barnes: but you could stand to do that Aside from the fact that Kurumi's flip shows that "remaining consistent" isn't a town tell, overall this concept is highly deceptive. Being logical and reasonable throughout a game is an indicator of being town, but as town, it's impossible and frankly incorrect to remain rigid to your stances. Games change over time, and being unyielding is either plain ignorance or willful deception. As mafia, holding fast to some stance and sticking with it obstinately is essentially a free pass. You don't have to comment on relevant cases ("I disagree, I already stated my suspicion"), you deny responsibility for failures ("I stated why I thought he wasn't scum, that's that"), you don't even have to post! Examples of this concept: Palmar initially thought Caller was town. His opinion changed. Deconduo initially thought DrH was talking sense. He now thinks DrH is scum I thought that Jitsu was scum. Filter me and look at my case; but do I talk about Jitsu at all after that day? No! Why? I changed my mind! I pressured Jitsu hard, and he responded well, so I backed off and realized he was likely town. This is how you remain transparent; you pressure your suspects and judge them. Katina has not considered any other viewpoints but her own all game; this shows a distinct lack of consideration for the thread happenings, and laughably enough removes her accountability from thread goings on. The prplhz WIFOM: This is obviously a less concrete arguement, but as briefly mentioned, prplhz was a medic. Mattchew previously thought Katina was townie, b/c of the fact that she knew prplhz' role and prplhz still lived, but then prplhz died a random death. At the time prplhz was shot, he didn't have much thread presence, and at the same time no one had explicitly or implicitly outted him as a medic in thread. It's possible Mafia shot him for some other reason, but it's pretty likely that Mafia knew he was medic (through Katina) and sniped him. Contradictions of Katina that make her look scummy: 1.says that DrH is scummy for bashing other people constantly examples of Katina bashing people for loose reasons: 1 2 3 2.calls out people for not contributing enough Katina has less posts/content than VE, a dood that died N1. Says she'll talk more in pms with layabout, doesn't. 3.states that she has been open about her reads never said why she thought abenson/wiggles were Mafia. she is quite intransparent in PMs. All in all I am most sure of Katina being mafia. she has put on the veil of contribution without actually doing anything all game, and her logic breaks down under inspection. | ||
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kind of an anticlimatic ending. the google doc is set on private atm can you share it? lmao at the obs qt | ||
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when scum wins it's like a puppy got slapped in da face. Credit to my teammates; the Kurumi bus somehow managed to stifle town activity, and Caller as dayvig ended any chance of a town turn around. no idea how BM managed to stay under the radar for so long. props to DrH for planning most of the scum maneuvers. good team effort from scum, despite our disagreements from time to time ^^ | ||
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the acquisition of BM was at a godly timing... right after the DT check, we snapped him up. | ||
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On March 28 2012 13:13 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Why you guys don't listen to me?  GG, Gents. yah you were quite on the right track, fingering myself, drh, and bm at certain points. i felt bad bringing you down with fake-o logic, you hosted my first game | ||
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On March 28 2012 14:55 VisceraEyes wrote: When you gonna show us scrubs how it's done guy? I can't even remember ever playing in a game with you. Have I? incognito showed us how it's done in TL L, maybe it's Ver's turn in the next installment of TL Mafia? TL L - A Town Hope TL L2 - The Jubjubs Strike Back TL ??? - Return of the Vets | ||
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On March 28 2012 22:14 Mattchew wrote: ET how could you. i'm sorry next game we play together you should just get me killed lol | ||
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On March 29 2012 05:21 Jitsu wrote: Likewise, thanks to Ver and Incog for hosting dis shite. If anyone has any constructive criticism for me, feel free to go ahead and lay it out. It would really appreciate it. I thought I had played slightly better in this game, especially better then Storm. It felt good because I was actually starting to put a case together on DrH, but stumbled and gave up on it because I thought his explosion was a town reaction, and if I had posted something, it would have been buried by the WIFOM label. I was pretty suspicious of ET too, but he had gotten on me early as well, same as BM. Was that coordinated? There was a point where the last three remaining scum had FoSd me at some point in the game? GG guys. Let me know if anyone has tips for improvement. nah BM was the traitor, that wasn't a coordinated attack. I just went on you b/c of your bad case on prplhz but you defended yourself very definitively. We ended up shooting you because you were acting super townie; I at least had no idea you were blue. Were you thinking of claiming or doing anything with it at some point? that could've helped town. and yeah Sheth was a blue snipe.... >< felt bad about shooting him; at least he had MLG mafia. our blue sniping this game was really off. On March 29 2012 04:22 layabout wrote: + Show Spoiler + Remember when we lynched wiggles instead of Dr.h? I was about to say why i wanted us to lynch Dr.h and then vote for him. I was halway through and i haapened to scroll through the thread and i ended up reading this again: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=1617&topic_id=316574 I then held backspace and wrote this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14062760 its haresd tko type whewnb youy sare faceopaklming with both haands lol that's some epic timing from my post then xp I'm surprised no one rly hammered me for leading the last few mislynches. | ||
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