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On February 29 2012 19:34 prplhz wrote: I'd like to play but I didn't think this was open for sign ups yet. It's not in the queue while TL Mafia LI is so, ... Anyway, /in if possible. I'm already in Resistance 2 but it's a mini and it's already been going on for a while so I hope that's not going to be a problem. @EchelonTee You should definitely join if you want to play and have time. I think this game's title might be a reference to TL Mafia L, as in this is TL Mafia L-2? Since it's posted on the protact account. Regardless it's in the queue as Jubjub Mafia. Mmm I'm tempted but I am playing in 1 & co-hosting another. +I should do more reading on pro-town play lolo | ||
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I'm down with whichever would be more interesting. which I think is No Flip | ||
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On March 08 2012 09:05 jaybrundage wrote: I was gonna join. Till i saw an unupdated player list. DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUN + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On March 09 2012 04:40 prplhz wrote: i'd like to be bulletproof please i'd like a nuke please | ||
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On March 11 2012 13:25 gumshoe wrote: This is my first real game, I am going to give it my all and even if things get rough I'll fight to the bitter end. You can count on me this time(if you please). I hope I can do the same for you  gumshoe did better in that game than you mattchew -.- | ||
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On March 12 2012 10:33 Katina wrote: Hi!!! Since we are all pointing fingers I am going to point one as well to blend in! Woo! Okay, Mattchew. You ask a lot of questions..... Wait... This is all you do. I'm going to ignore the following post.... Because it's just so damn bad <3 ## Vote Mattchew I hope I have succeded in blending in now! I feel so pro bro. are you trying to do some bad townie gambit or something, b/c this "case" is so bad it's like it's trying to attract acid. | ||
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1. LaL policy lynch trolololol for a few pages 2. people making nonsense cases on each other to arouse "reactions" 3. fastest forming bandwagon on Jackal ever Town needs to rebuild a conducive atmosphere, it's clear that Mafia has been trying to distract with all the LAL talk. I'm going to focus on someone I feel is exhibiting a lot Mafia traits, Jitsu. The ironic thing here is that Jitsu hounds constantly against one anti-town activity, but is doing another anti-town activity himself, aka his incessant dedication to policy lynching/policy lynching discussion. On March 11 2012 13:19 Jitsu wrote:+ Show Spoiler + That meme is some good stuff. I love you Jackal. So, let's get this ball rolling, then. I'm not sure I want to comment on Lurkers or anything yet. Looking at the player list, I think everyone will have a decently good job of staying active enough to contribute to a pro-town atmosphere. No one really stands out to me as a lurking player, so enough of that. 1 Also, this is going to be pretty much a direct rip from my first post in Storm. It's something that I think should set the mood for town discussion. I hate liars, unless there is a clear and logical reason to do so (blue prolonging his anonymity, ect.), anyone lying should (and will) be 100% held accountable for the actions they decided to run with. Does anyone in anyway disagree with this, and if so, why? I will hold myself to the same standard, and anyone who is found blatantly lying, crossing stories, anything of that sort is going to be pushed by me, and i'd like to assume that the majority of the town players can agree with me on that.1 1. When talking about lynching lurkers Jitsu states his opinion and gets off it easily enough. just state your opinion on a matter, let town know, easy enough. but then begins the escapade of talking about LA Liars incessantly. Policy lynching is rehashed every game and there is simply no need to dwell on it long. it's like spending a lot of time talking about blues or setup; you're only doing it because you have nothing else to talk about. with that in mind Jitsu finds the need to continually argue with layabout on the subject as such: On March 11 2012 13:41 Jitsu wrote:+ Show Spoiler + What about lying in PM's? In what situation would you use it? Can you logically and clearly explain you're reasoning to the rest of the town when the lie is brought out to the forums? If yes - yes, I would be ok with that. If no - no, don't lie. Simple. Again, calculated lies are something that could potentially have high risk/low reward. Remember that as well.2 On March 12 2012 01:37 Jitsu wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On March 12 2012 01:29 layabout wrote: + Show Spoiler [ tedious LaL crap] + On March 12 2012 01:20 Jitsu wrote: What do you think it means? Accountable means subject to the obligation to report, explain, or justify something; responsible; answerable. If a player lies, and can't do the above, we kill him. If he can justify it, and it's a logical and clearly visible motive, we don't. Why do you think a player who lies shouldn't be lynched? Is it you're opinion that lying isn't Anti-Town? Town lie all the time. Town make illogical moves all the time. Town play anti-town all the time. But if we think they are town we do not lynch them. So, a player that is, according to you: 1. lying 2. playing illogically 3. playing anti-town ...has the potential to not be lynched because we might think they are town?3 No. That person will be getting my vote, and I will be doing what I can to push for their lynch, especially if those three things come up. You can do whatever you want with your vote, I guess. On March 12 2012 03:05 Jitsu wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On March 12 2012 02:01 layabout wrote: + Show Spoiler + The steps to overcoming the belief that town players will do what is best for town 1. Click on this link 2. Scroll down 3. When you reach the playerlist click on Toadesstern and rgtheschworz 4. Read through both fliters, paying particular attention to the numerous lies both of them make 5. Discover that townies lie, play anti-town and play illlogically 6. Apologise to layabout Jitsu, being able to guess whether or not a player is town or scum is quite difficult even if players are all acting sensibly. You have to learn to deal with the additional complexity introduced by players playing poorly, illogically or even against their own win condition. I don't have to click that link, because those were the two people I was thinking about from Arkham as well. Part of me thinks that they were allowed to run rampant around because they weren't held accountable for the shit they did. If I remember correctly, RGTS made it alive to the end, or close to it. Instead of him, would you think town would have benefit from someone who didn't spout lies every other post? I certainly do. So again, just because townies lie, don't think logically, and play anti-town, yes, I, and I hope you, will hold them accountable for that.4 There's really no need to carry on this discussion this long; being stubborn and keeping a consistent opinion is a good way to try and look constructive, but in reality the majority of your posts are content-less. They are all just fluffed up varieties of "liars are bad lynch them", and you're just ignoring contrasting opinions to you so that you can post more. problems with your posts: 2. The first part of your post ur like "lies can be good and bad. simple". and it is simple. but the second half of your post you try and make the matter seem complicated with your "lies could potentially be scarry... remmeber that". ??? There's no need for you to try and fear-monger here, especially when in the very same post you acknoledge that lies can be calculated and logical. 3.people who play bad =/= mafia and that fact that you blatantly ignore this with your "NOPE NOPE lying is bad" is pretty glaring. Gumshoe, in Surprisingly Normal VII is pretty indicative of this: his early posts were bad and everyone was like "lol look at this scum", but if you actually analyzed his motivations it was clear he was a hapless newbie. you're giving yourself a reason to auto-lynch someone off of "policy", and when it comes up that the dude was just did a town gambit, you'll respond "well he was being anti-town and I will never consider the slight possibility that an anti-town person could be town." -.- 4. you hold people who play anti-town accountable by telling them in thread "ur playing bad stop". your version of holding people accountable is "push to lynch them off of pre-determined reason". policy lynches are bad because you don't have to use actual reasoning to advance them. you're ignoring layabout's point, that we should focus on lynching scum, whereas you are focusing on lynching people who are "bad". 95% of my cases as scum have been on people who were playing bad, and I passed it off as "well he was playing terribly anti-town good riddance". This is NOT an acceptable way to conduct lynches, especially considering this is supposed to be a higher level game. Remember that this is essentially all Jitsu has been talking about all game. what's the motivation for him to do this and only this? He harps on these purported anti-town figures instead of actually hunting for people acting anti-town, which he could easily do with the type of posting that has gone on thus far. Finally, Jitsu's first "case" On March 12 2012 09:41 Jitsu wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hmmm, looking at it again, I think prphlz's reason to vote for Jackal is a much larger amount of bullshit then Caller's. For instance, you point out that he is using things such as Instead he is pushing it in a very meek way with his "forgive me" and "sir". That yells sarcasm to me a lot more then it screams scum. Wiggles brings up a good point. prphlz is a player that wouldn't just happen to miss the name of someone that posted. It's almost like prphlz was waiting for Curu to post something, realized he fucked up, then tried to cover it. 6 It's not surprising that prphlz mistakes Curu for Caller, and then 10 minutes later, Curu ACTUALLY comes out with a small little case against Jackal as well. Shit reeks.5 ##vote prphlz 5. Super flimsy case. you just cherry picked the person who put the least substantial case on Jackal, then fabricated reasons why prplhz's actions are scummy. Your case boils down to "I think your case on Jackal is wrong", and "a town prplhz would not mistake Curu's name for Caller". Do I even need to explain why this is so fake? voting someone off of a mistaken name? jesus ur scum | ||
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On March 12 2012 19:21 prplhz wrote: +1 for the Pink Floyd reference though. @EchelonTee How do you feel about Jackal58? You only say that it's fast forming, but it's not really JubJubs flocking, it was three reasonable experienced townies who are very capable of forming their own opinion who all saw the same thing. If anything is unsettling, it's the lack of people jumping on the wagon after the initial three. On March 12 2012 17:33 jaybrundage wrote: Alright I think that Jackal's defense was piss poor. He didnt push any lynches and i think that prplhz has a good point. This could be the very rare very unlikly scum lynch day one. Given that none of the other cases seem good. lol at the matt case Vote Jackal58 hey look its a jubjub Saying that multiple people coming to the same conclusion at the same time doesn't mean squat, and I don't like how you imply those 3 people are likely town. In surprinsingly normal VII I posted a fake ass case on Bluelightz, then Shraft posted a nigh-identical case on it. scum and town can come to the same conclusions. I also am getting tired of meta arguments. I believed all you vets in TL L (oh palmar is being a scummy fck lynch him, NOT), and I tried to apply it in Newbie Mini III (DYH just decided to play differently trolol), but meta and only meta cannot convince me anymore. | ||
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On March 12 2012 15:01 Bill Murray wrote: jitsu, what are your thoughts on layabout's alignment this game? I'd like to hear this as well | ||
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i said the wrong game titles a few times: i was scum with fake case in Normal Mini I, and made bad meta case on DYH in surprisingly VII. my #6 was supposed to be that jitsu is sheeping a rly weak point from wiggles. wiggles was like "it's weird that you talked about caller but thought it was curu", and jitsu takes that and says "prplhz being weird? must be scum!". jitsu twists what wiggles' was saying about prplhz, to make prplhz look bad. @mattchew you go for the case that you merely "don't hate" over the one you "like"? buh? i thought you were going to agree with me that meta is a weak arguement, but ur post, and ur vote dont seem lined up | ||
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On March 12 2012 21:28 Mattchew wrote: and i don't hate it means I like it. Its a common phrase used amongst me and my friends, I can see how that doesn't translate as well to a wider audience, yay for typing freely like i was on skype or gchat! shh if the hosts hear you talking like this they'll smite you  i should clarify that i'm not saying meta is completely trash; just that a case based almost solely on meta (curu's), I simply cannot support. got school. peace yall | ||
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On March 13 2012 00:38 Jitsu wrote: At this point, I was essentially finished talking about Lynch All Liars. I stressed my point many times, and felt that it was enough and didn't need to be reopened. You say that I continued to talk about the LaL policy up. Also, ET, you're first quote...: <quote> ...is in response to gumshoe. Go back and look at it. I didn't feel the need to add a quote because his post was one or two above mine, and was "easily" associated with it. It's not a continuation, it's a response. Don't make it out like it is. I say that you continued to talk about the LaL policy because... you did. you spent almost 2/3 of the day cycle on the topic when it really should only be talked about briefly, if at all. The fact that that quote is towards gumshoe, and not layabout, does not change the fact that your only contributions to the thread was this policy discussion that doesn't even really relate to any people in the thread. you said somewhere that first goal of town is to look innocent: I feel that you're taking that knowledge in mind as a mafioso and trying to look pro-town, when you're really not. On March 13 2012 00:38 Jitsu wrote: Secondly, you say that my case on prphlz is flimsy. How many games have you played? Have you ever mis-read the name of a player? It's generally the first thing I look at when someone posts. I don't "get all giddy and assume" that it's someone. You think prphlz would just go right by a nametag at the top of a post, and assume it's someone? Please. You and I both know he is better then that. How does that not give outside communication? Curu already say they weren't PMing, so that kills that reason. I don't think I have EVER seen a legit case built off of an fn posting mistake. prplhz just has a severe case of sheeping; he sees the red text, he wants to follow teh leader. you're also heavily implicating a prplhz-Curu scumbuddy connection, without providing any basis for it except for "no one could possibly misread a name". if you wanted to build a real case you would have done more work on prplhz' other posts, but of course, you don't want to do that. On March 13 2012 01:21 Curu wrote: Get off Jitsu. There is no reason for Mafia to spew something stupid like that if him and Jackal are opposite alignments. 1. Jackal Town Jitsu Mafia = why protect Jackal with something dumb right now, should just go with it and let us case formers take the fall after flip 2. Jackal Town Jitsu Town = can explain his actions 3. Jackal Mafia Jitsu Town = can explain his actions 4. Jackal Mafia Jitsu Mafia = can explain his actions In scenario 1 Jitsu could easily be setting himself up for a good D2 mislynch: "see guys I knew jackal wasn't mafia. let's kill prplhz, he was a big sheep on that case". He didn't exactly proclaim Jackal's, nor confront the more solid cases against him, so it's not like he's "protecting" jackal that much at all. To me it looks like he's putting in the seed of a case that he knows won't germinate until later. Scenario 4 I could see happening, but I see Jitsu as way more likely to flip Mafia. The train of people voting for Jackal screams bandwagon. I'm not changing my vote. | ||
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On March 13 2012 05:37 Jitsu wrote: First of all, there is a difference between responding to people in the thread when they ask me something, and continuing to talk about something that doesn't help the town. See what you are doing right now? You're responding. It's a main component to conversation, or discussion. Coming up with a bullshit case that I kept going on about "policy" when I tried to reiterate a large number of times that instead of enforcing a policy, we should hold people accountable, is putting words in my mouth. If anything, you're bringing this shit up more, after "2/3 of the Day Cycle" is actually up, since the last time I spoke of it was five hours into the game. Stop trying to dramatize shit and make it look much worse then it actually is. Secondly, I could care less if you have never seen a posting mistake lead to a lynch. That's part of the reason there's no editing in forum mafia. Right? But then again, you come to the attempt of trying to be aggressive, by saying I don't want to do any work. Is it better then coming out and making a case that is 100% incorrect? Yes. I think my point is an extremely valid one, more so then a simple "He was answering other peoples concerns about his idea, so he must be scum." JubJubJubJub. Everyone is saying that Jackal's case was based on meta. He's playing very similar to how I saw him play in Storm. He flipped town. That was one reason I didn't vote for him. I am aware that there is a semantic, English language difference between responding to something, and continuing to talk about said topic, but you are COMPLETELY side-stepping my point, which is that 1. adherance to policy lynching is scummy, and 2. talking about policy lynching (responding or not responding) is scummy. I'm bringing this up more because that's why I find you scummy, broski. You posted about this LAL stuff March 11/12, which I saw as 2/3 of day cycle. If you want to go to the PRECISE, EXACT hour count you didn't drone on THAT long about the topic, but like I said, it doesn't change the fact that the majority of your posts have no direction. And saying I'm dramatizing shit? You're playing it down; you weren't talking about LAL for ONLY the first 5 hours into the game -.- Lastly, my stating that "I have never seen a posting mistake lead to a lynch" isn't me saying that I simply have never seen it. I'm saying that it's a TERRIBLE, GOD AWFUL case, that only people not reading carefully, or eager to sheep would legitimately believe in. Considering that you aren't acting like a jubjub, I conclude that you made a fake ass case. Questions? anyone that's not Jitsu? no use arguing with someone who's scum. UGH at that roleclaim, made me lower my opinion of you innocence greatly, jackal. it's WIFOM time gaiz: "oh i got roleblocked sorry shot didn't go off at all", or "oh i dont want to shoot yet i dont have any good scumreads it'll just suicide me". For someone who proclaims in every game that you die early as town, I don't know how you think you are playing pro-town at all. | ||
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On March 14 2012 07:43 VisceraEyes wrote: @Town Hey, ready for your minds to be blown?! rgTheShwortz and EchlonTees are playing in this game with us! :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO -.- grouping me with RGTS really? i'm hurt VE On March 14 2012 08:40 jaybrundage wrote: Hm if this is Town VE I don't know quite what to say I have only seen VE's scum play. XD Glad Palmar is here funny thing i only seen Palmar's town play XD (And one pro town third party) Palmar are you going to claim your DT check or not :o. Tommorow I think we should shoot into one of the scummy lurkers. I agree. I propose you, JB. | ||
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On March 14 2012 08:46 VisceraEyes wrote: You should be - that's pretty effing poor company right now. Guy has one post. And here it is!so you want to explain how you're comparing to me to someone who has 1 post, when there are many people with less posts than myself? is your plan to just annoy as many people as possible and use their anger at you as evidence? | ||
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On March 12 2012 15:57 Node wrote: + Show Spoiler + Right now I'm feeling the Jackal lynch more than anything else. He says that he plays differently every game, but I feel that enough of a case has been made to show that that's not at all true (see: Curu's post). His tentative posting so far this game does remind me of his posts in Hammer Mini Mafia, where he was also scum. He also listed me as one of the "good" players, which is so utterly wrong it's hilarious. (not a real reason for voting him, but seriously, I'm terribad) I also don't think that Caller is scum, based purely on the fact that he's the first person to make a real case and get some actual discussion going. I feel scum would've been content to let the thread continue to wallow in LaL arguments and the PM debate, where no progress was being made. Exhibit A of how to join a bandwagon with no reasoning, yet somehow take up 2 paragraphs. On March 13 2012 10:02 Node wrote: + Show Spoiler + I'm thinking it over. Didn't want it to become a majority while I was unsure. Bigger post coming. Reeks of uncertainty, reluctance to commit. says bigger post coming with no follow up. On March 13 2012 11:36 Node wrote: + Show Spoiler + Oh well, it might just be an empty gesture at this point, but I'm going to vote Sheth for not explaining his vote on BM and excessive lurking, especially after claiming he would be posting more today. Others are welcome to join me. Highly ironic post, not even attempting to make sense. I believe someone else also pointed out how bad this post is. Does anyone actually think that Node is town? | ||
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