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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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Jackal58
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On March 14 2012 07:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Jitsu is based on the discussions we've had in general - he's earnestly scumhunting and to be honest, your name hasn't come up...you might have convinced him  Palmar is Palmar. I've felt the sting of his manipulation before. It was a gut thing mostly, until he arrived in the thread. And yes, the way he pushed DocH for information cemented my read on him. While Storm certainly helped, I've been told several times that I need to work on just having confidence in my reads - so that's what I'm doing this game. It doesn't help that Palmar's read of Caller and mine are at odds. -.- I don't like how you're convinced that Palmar is town this fast when it took you so long in Resistance 2. If you're talking to Jitsu then ask him why he never pushed Curu even though his case on me was that I was scum buddy with Curu. He doesn't want to answer me when I bring it up in the thread for some reason. I think that Palmar has been too silent so far. If he had been around for the rest of the game I would be less unsettled but right now, Palmar is in a pretty unique position because there are PMs in this game and 2 people already openly confirmed to be in PM contact with him and I suspect that this number may be higher. If he is town and he doesn't talk then how can he expect to live until tomorrow? Scum are going to be pretty scared of him but he's not doing anything to defend himself from them at all. Unless he's in contact with medic/jailer and he is pretty sure they're town, I think it's weird that he's being so silent. From what you said it doesn't sound like he is very busy in PM land. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I wouldn't worry too much about my leap of faith where Palmar is concerned. He was right in Resistance - I should have realized he was townie sooner, and the way he was presenting himself was strikingly similar to that game. If you're so concerned about Jitsu's read of you, why don't you PM him and ask him yourself prplhz? I'll discuss whatever I please with him in MY inbox - any messages you have for Jitsu can be relayed either through the thread or if it's really that important to you, by expending one of your PM choices. I'm not sold on townPrpl myself, so I'm certainly not going to be your messenger.  @Town Hey, ready for your minds to be blown?! rgTheShwortz and EchlonTees are playing in this game with us! :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
On March 14 2012 07:36 prplhz wrote: @Jackal58 I hope drunk Jackal58 can still think and then I hope that you shoot. I don't like how you're convinced that Palmar is town this fast when it took you so long in Resistance 2. If you're talking to Jitsu then ask him why he never pushed Curu even though his case on me was that I was scum buddy with Curu. He doesn't want to answer me when I bring it up in the thread for some reason. I think that Palmar has been too silent so far. If he had been around for the rest of the game I would be less unsettled but right now, Palmar is in a pretty unique position because there are PMs in this game and 2 people already openly confirmed to be in PM contact with him and I suspect that this number may be higher. If he is town and he doesn't talk then how can he expect to live until tomorrow? Scum are going to be pretty scared of him but he's not doing anything to defend himself from them at all. Unless he's in contact with medic/jailer and he is pretty sure they're town, I think it's weird that he's being so silent. From what you said it doesn't sound like he is very busy in PM land. No, I can answer it here. My case on you was my perception of a scum slip. Stop saying my case is that Curu and you are scum buddies. I would say that that is more a by-product of you scum slipping in thread. I don't care if you think it's legit or not, or whether the odds are with you or the aren't. It's also widely known by now that I am not the best at analyses (something that I can attest that I am trying to correct, and working hard trying to fix) but when I do see something that looks scummy, i'm going to call it scum. Period. I'm tired of reiterating the same thing over, and over, and over again. I felt that what I perceived was enough to put my vote on you - at least, stronger then the case against Jackal, who claimed a blue role in the thread. That's all I had, and I felt it was STILL a stronger point the the case brought up on Jackal, which can more attest to the strength of your shit over mine. I am waiting to see other people's thoughts on you. I feel that if I go back and examine your filter, i'll only be looking for things that are scummy, and not looking at things subjectively. Would I vote for you still? Yes. Do I think Curu is scum? As a by-product of a your apparent fuck-up, I do. I know blues aren't all-powerful. But voting for a blue, in the thread, after he claims? Storm Mafia taught me that lesson. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice isn't going to be so hard. Looking back, after I was staying on par with the posts of the thread, I came across a defense, similar to this, with Curu. After you posted the defense, you seem to have just vanished, and came back into the thread only after the pressure on you seemed to have cool. This shit isn't Grand Theft Auto. The Police don't stop coming after you after you get three blocks away and to your safe house. You can lurk, but you can't hide. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
I don't think what Palmar has said this game makes him look as town as he did in Resistance 2. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On March 14 2012 07:49 prplhz wrote: What the hell is the harm in asking my question to Jitsu? The only reason I can see is if you're scum and you don't want to bother him. My question is totally valid and as I told you, I've already brought it up in the thread but he just ignored it. I have no idea what my alignment has to do with that question. I don't want to use a PM option just to ask him a question that he might not answer anyway. I don't think what Palmar has said this game makes him look as town as he did in Resistance 2. Because I think Jitsu will answer you in thread. I was referring to his tone in PMland. Palmar was following the thread from the beginning of the game in Resistance. He replaced into this game, and as far as I'm aware has yet to read the thread in its entirety. Everyone else has had 3/4 of a cycle to establish their innocence. I chose Palmar for PMs because if he's town, I wanted to give him a head-start in establishing his innocence with me. If you're impatient, that's one thing - but my read is based on my experience in the game, which admittedly in a PM game extends beyond this thread. Again - if you want to see what I see, feel free to expend one of your PM choices like I did - if you're town, surely you can see the benefit of having an advanced read on Palmar, ya? Hell maybe then you could roleclaim to him too! Wouldn't that be fun? | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
 Since its extended majority lynch we are going to have to make more of an effort to produce good lynch targets and then get together to lynch one off them. Question to thread: How often do you encounter genuine "scumslips", as in a player will post as if they have information that they should not have (like knowledge that somebody is town) and that player turns out to be Mafia? And if that does happen, how often had the player also given themselves away as Mafia through their behaviour meaning that the scumslip itself was not necessary to determine their alignment? | ||
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VisceraEyes
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layabout
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On March 14 2012 08:17 layabout wrote: So when Jitsu and Caller put emphasis on scumslips to try to persuade us to vote for people, that would have been a pretty terrible thing for them to do if they are town, as it would be poor scumhunting at best likely to kill town.They would also appear to be scumhunting and they may cause people to focus on things that they should not? That's a slippery slope - not everyone shares my view of scumslips layabout. Some people find them just fine to scumhunt with. Not good players....but players nonetheless. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On March 14 2012 07:48 Jitsu wrote: No, I can answer it here. My case on you was my perception of a scum slip. Stop saying my case is that Curu and you are scum buddies1. I would say that that is more a by-product of you scum slipping in thread. I don't care if you think it's legit or not, or whether the odds are with you or the aren't. It's also widely known by now that I am not the best at analyses2 (something that I can attest that I am trying to correct, and working hard trying to fix) but when I do see something that looks scummy, i'm going to call it scum. Period. I'm tired of reiterating the same thing over, and over, and over again. I felt that what I perceived2 was enough to put my vote on you - at least, stronger then the case against Jackal, who claimed a blue role in the thread. That's all I had, and I felt it was STILL a stronger point the the case brought up on Jackal, which can more attest to the strength of your shit over mine. I am waiting to see other people's thoughts on you2. I feel that if I go back and examine your filter, i'll only be looking for things that are scummy, and not looking at things subjectively3. Would I vote for you still? Yes. Do I think Curu is scum? As a by-product of a your apparent fuck-up, I do. I know blues aren't all-powerful. But voting for a blue, in the thread, after he claims4? Storm Mafia taught me that lesson. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice isn't going to be so hard. Looking back, after I was staying on par with the posts of the thread, I came across a defense, similar to this, with Curu. After you posted the defense, you seem to have just vanished5, and came back into the thread only after the pressure on you seemed to have cool. This shit isn't Grand Theft Auto. The Police don't stop coming after you after you get three blocks away and to your safe house. You can lurk, but you can't hide.5 1: But it is. Your case was that I misread Caller as Curu and for some reason you don't think I would just misread stuff so you think I was expecting Curu to post. You say that this means that we were in private contact with each other. Since Curu said that he wasn't PMing with anybody then we must be communicating in some other way, and you say that this is a QuickTopic, consequently Curu and I are scum buddies and that makes me scum. Your entire case rests on how you believe that Curu and I are scum buddies, yet you don't push Curu AT ALL. If your case merely was that I misread something then you're really a JubJub. + Show Spoiler + I don't get why you're disregarding how Curu and I could be in PM contact. How do you know that he's telling the truth? If you think he's telling the truth because he's town then we can't be scum buddies. 2: Reeks of insecurity. 3: Word you're looking for is "objectively". 4: Didn't you read Curu's analysis of the claim? I don't recall you objecting to any of it other than blindly saying that you wont lynch claimer because in some other game the claimer turned out to be town or something. 5: Lurk but not hide? I have a lot more posts than you. Whatever. This post is so bad you're probably town. You can call me dick but you can't call me Curu. Does anybody else think that Jackal58 isn't man enough to shoot tonight? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
It's a matter of whether he feels like confirming himself is worth the risk of him dying and whether he thinks confirming himself is going to do any good in this town. I mean, this is a pretty decent town atmosphere right now - but come tomorrow, out come the fingers and votes and accusations all over again and the thread is gonna go to shit, I can just feel it. At least half the JubJubs are going to insta-vote Jackal if he's alive tomorrow - I wouldn't be surprised at all if he shot tonight HOPING to die. Stop goading him prpl. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
Glad Palmar is here funny thing i only seen Palmar's town play XD (And one pro town third party) Palmar are you going to claim your DT check or not :o. Tommorow I think we should shoot into one of the scummy lurkers. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5255 Posts
On March 14 2012 07:43 VisceraEyes wrote: @Town Hey, ready for your minds to be blown?! rgTheShwortz and EchlonTees are playing in this game with us! :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO -.- grouping me with RGTS really? i'm hurt VE On March 14 2012 08:40 jaybrundage wrote: Hm if this is Town VE I don't know quite what to say I have only seen VE's scum play. XD Glad Palmar is here funny thing i only seen Palmar's town play XD (And one pro town third party) Palmar are you going to claim your DT check or not :o. Tommorow I think we should shoot into one of the scummy lurkers. I agree. I propose you, JB. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Guy has one post. And here it is!On March 13 2012 06:27 rgTheSchworz wrote: Ho, there. Been on the road the last 36 h. Jaybrundage, you may not like my playstyle because I discovered you quickly in Arkham. I will, however, not lie this game. Gonna read some more, but as of now Node is giving off scummy vibes. Jackal s fine: Meta won t work here. Its the same Jackal that is concerned with helping town, although he claimed perhaps a bit too quickly............ ##Vote: Node | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
On March 14 2012 08:24 prplhz wrote: 1: But it is. Your case was that I misread Caller as Curu and for some reason you don't think I would just misread stuff so you think I was expecting Curu to post. You say that this means that we were in private contact with each other. Since Curu said that he wasn't PMing with anybody then we must be communicating in some other way, and you say that this is a QuickTopic, consequently Curu and I are scum buddies and that makes me scum. Your entire case rests on how you believe that Curu and I are scum buddies, yet you don't push Curu AT ALL. If your case merely was that I misread something then you're really a JubJub. + Show Spoiler + I don't get why you're disregarding how Curu and I could be in PM contact. How do you know that he's telling the truth? If you think he's telling the truth because he's town then we can't be scum buddies. 2: Reeks of insecurity. 3: Word you're looking for is "objectively". 4: Didn't you read Curu's analysis of the claim? I don't recall you objecting to any of it other than blindly saying that you wont lynch claimer because in some other game the claimer turned out to be town or something. 5: Lurk but not hide? I have a lot more posts than you. Whatever. This post is so bad you're probably town. You can call me dick but you can't call me Curu. Does anybody else think that Jackal58 isn't man enough to shoot tonight? So, you're pointing out that I lack confidence in my scum reads, I used subjectively instead of objectively, bringing up someone elses defense of you, and bringing up the fact that I have less of a filter then you, even though none of that has any bearing on the case I have against you Here's a question, prplhz; why do you give so much of a shit if the bandwagon has gained zero momentum? Is it because you feel guilty, subconsciously, and are trying to prove to yourself, and everyone else, that you are innocent of something? Sounds like you are clawing around, trying to not look inherently guilty. | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
On March 14 2012 08:40 jaybrundage wrote: Hm if this is Town VE I don't know quite what to say I have only seen VE's scum play. XD Glad Palmar is here funny thing i only seen Palmar's town play XD (And one pro town third party) Palmar are you going to claim your DT check or not :o. Tommorow I think we should shoot into one of the scummy lurkers. Holy crap. | ||
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