Newbie Mini Mafia V

On March 02 2012 19:25 DimmuKlok wrote:

My thoughts regarding Mementoss and Pablols, I think we have a case of 2 townies accusing each other. Yes Mementoss did misquote Pablols but his posts thus far have given me a town vibe, and a misquote is no reason to lynch someone. Pablols doesn't really have a solid case on him since Mementoss's case was addressed by Pablols, and in my opinion truth except for accusation of Mementoss.

Normally I wouldn't be posting who I think is town, but I don't want to see the discussion of who to lynch on these two, since I think it's a waste of time at the moment.

On March 03 2012 03:24 DimmuKlok wrote:

I agree. Lets lynch beorn. He has yet to contribute and say who he feels is a good lynch candidate for today.

On March 02 2012 07:59 DimmuKlok wrote:
Because some of you are starting to look at Mementoss, I'm going to post my opinion on him quickly and post my scum reads a bit later.

Mementoss's posts thus far seem pro town to me. He's been either giving his opinion on the topic at hand, pointing out inactives, and posting his scum reads.
Even if all his scum picks were wrong, it's still pro town to put it out there. It forces responses from the accused, which brings more information to the table.

On March 02 2012 05:46 Mementoss wrote:

Sufficiency (although trackd00r brings up a point about his sloppy posts)

Not counting Beorn cause I think it might be cause hes a noob and just forgot about the game starting to be honest. But he is in my mind too.

On March 02 2012 10:37 Mementoss wrote:
@Maverick - I would also like to hear more from Sufficiency, I still have a decently scummy read on him based on his low amount of posting. Content related posters (includes at least 1 post unique opinion with logic and evidence to back it up.)
Mementoss
trackd00r
maverick
dimmuklok --> interested in your opinion of scum.

No unique opinion (bandwagoners) - Little content posts/one liners /derails
gunman
rainman
friedchicken
tiystus
otoshimoU
beornt

Quick to judge - Quick fos, multiple FoS, no evidence to back it up
Pablos FoS ->(trackd00r, mementoss)
Suffiency FoS ->(gunman, OtU)

On March 03 2012 02:57 Mementoss wrote:

@Maverick, I still don't see the read on Tiystus personally, but would lvoe to hear more from him. I consider him more of a lurker than anything. If we lynch Sufficiency or OtoshimonoU I think there is a damn good chance one of them is scum, and they are both pretty worthless (so far ) as town.

Don't forget OtoshimonoU not responding to you as well


Not only ignores you but ignores trackd00r.

Not only ignores you and trackd00rs question but also mine.
About Sufficiency, I think he is town. No newbie mafia would try to catch up so much attention in that way. They'd rather stay more quiet and apparently contribute, which it's kinda working for them now.

Beorn1 hasn't posted anything yet.

The player I would worry right now is OtoshimonoU. He has been the least contributor (excluding beorn) so far. This is his only post with actual content.
Right now the lack of posting is really hurting us seeing different point of views, and to get more of a read on where some people stand. Both sufficiency and OtoshimonoU are good lynches imo, and I just want to make sure we get the majority to get one out and gain some information.

My vote right now is committed to [red]OtoshimonoU.[red]

On March 02 2012 10:37 Mementoss wrote:
Based on my little list above, I would like to purpose a Plan to the Town.
Since voting is in the next 24 hours, I would like every one to post their top 2 scum reads within the next 12 hours. I want to know why they are your scum reads, quoting someone elses opinion is not acceptable. Must be backed up by some evidence, filter quotes, pyscological reasons why they would say that if they were scum, why their behaviour is scummy etc. Many people have said will post later scum opinions and never have.

On March 04 2012 07:44 DimmuKlok wrote:
My idea on fixing this problem is to force everyone post who they believe to be scum. All it needs to be is one person, and you don't have to put any effort into it if you don't want to. There's nothing against actually trying though.

The reason this idea works is because it's so easy. Mafia can easily participate in any way they feel fit, but they are forced to participate. It also brings back discussion with updated information. Comply or be lynched.

The only way I see this being exploited is if someone makes a simple post on someone and then lurks until it's lynching time. This behavior should be pretty easy to spot and pointed out by one of us, so I'm not too worried.

On March 04 2012 08:08 Mementoss wrote:
This post pretty much confirms town on DimmuKlok's part. All his posts have good content in it, and the game was at a current state where lurking was the majority and mafia could sit back and laugh to victory as for almost 6 hours since the lynch nothing significant has been posted. Not that many people have been claiming DimmuKlok as mafia, but I want to go back and check who actually did call DimmuKlok mafia.

On March 03 2012 05:06 DimmuKlok wrote:
Beorn, we're still waiting for your case on who to lynch. When you decide to start contributing, please also give me your opinion on Rainmaker and what you think about my read on him.

On March 02 2012 05:46 Mementoss wrote:
No, random lynch is not good at all. Better to go on some hunch. We already have a few little hunches that I would rather go on then just nothing at all. We also have someone who is inactive thus far. Those are 2 better options then random lynch.

Also, looking at Pablols filter, Stance: Random Lynch, lynch someone who opposes the lynch.
--> Labels first post of the game as suspicious. 1 liner, no real logic to why its suspicious. Filler really.

--> Sentences like this " Looking at the numbers it seems as if we should play passive until we get more information since there is a high chance of lynching a townie, however, don't forget that we must take risks." that say nothing, and generally contradict themselves.

-->"In my opinion, it is probably better to pick someone at random. " - Again contradicting to passive play, also lacks care of his stated high chance of getting a townie.

-->Also he is trying to derail discussion of the actual person we should look to be lynching, by trying to bring up an old discussion that has already been over with. The idea of random lynching. The general consensus of those without scummy tendencies have been to try and figure out a good candidate to lynch or lynch no one at all. He is really trying to push a lynch no matter what, risky play. As the townie mafia numbers get closer, the mafia advantage rises significantly. Two bad lynches could be game. Logic should be our weapon, not rolling the dice.

All in all lynching someone with no basis is an absolutely terrible option in this situation. Some circumstances in the game where you cannot risk the scum even getting 1 up, and you have no leads is a good situation to pick someone at random. This is not the case. We currently hold our people advantage and there is no desperation at this point in the game.

That being said I think we have some decent information to come up with the best lynchable candidate and we should try to keep discussing to get as much information out there as we can based on peoples post behavior.

Here are my top picks for scum right now:
OtoshimonoU
Pablols
Sufficiency (although trackd00r brings up a point about his sloppy posts)

Not counting Beorn cause I think it might be cause hes a noob and just forgot about the game starting to be honest. But he is in my mind too.

On March 01 2012 13:10 trackd00r wrote:
Suffciency, If you are willing to random lynch anyone, which player it would be? I hardly see a point of RL someone later on this day because we already might have better reads in that moment. If you want to take this action, throw a name by now. I don't really like the idea though.

Going to bed now. See you in about 9 hours.

On March 03 2012 05:06 DimmuKlok wrote:
Beorn, we're still waiting for your case on who to lynch. When you decide to start contributing, please also give me your opinion on Rainmaker and what you think about my read on him.

On March 08 2012 15:14 Maverick32x wrote:
I really think we are pressuring the wrong guy if we are targeting Dim.... I completely agree with Trackd00r that we need to target one of those 3 lurkers.

Gunman, pablols or sufficiency... I would say the order that makes the most sense is the one I just listed... if we have a DT remaining, they should investigate sufficiency and hope hes just a regular mafia so we can set up a hit on the following day (assuming we get this next lynch correct)

My vote right now is for Gunman. I'm thinking that we are pointing fingers at each other while Mafia just slide into the background.... It seems like the remaining town are in a frenzy to try to stay alive and solve this... while the remaining people are not involved in this at all....

On March 02 2012 20:18 Sufficiency wrote:


gutty feelings.

On March 10 2012 07:59 DimmuKlok wrote:
I'm assuming Sufficiency is one of the mafia that we have left. I'm less confident with going with someone else at the time.

Maverick, why do you suspect me of being mafia?

Read it, and dismantled it. Multiple times might I add when it comes to the whole beorn thing. You say I defended Sufficiency, but that's not true at all. I've done nothing but try to get information out of that guy, but it's completely useless since he's given up on the game. You people keep trying to make a connection to me and Sufficiency and I'm taking note of it.

On March 10 2012 12:02 DimmuKlok wrote:
This is a lot of text, but that's because I responded to every part of Mavericks post. It's crucial that you read it in it's entirety. It became painfully obvious to me that Maverick was Mafia by the end of the post.



Your first reason for me being mafia, is me defending 2 players that we later found out ended up being the correct decision...


I seem ok with the answer... This is your second reason for me being mafia...

I've already stated that was one of my multiple attempts at getting more info out of Sufficiency. My reaction and that face at the end was the face of me coming the realization that Sufficiency wasn't a mastermind, just someone who didn't want to put time into this thread.



What about him? Am I supposed to be mentioning Sufficiency in all my posts? I've explained multiple times that post was to get Beorn out of hiding and had nothing to do with Sufficiency. Sufficiency just randomly accused beorn, and I took that opportunity to try and get him to start posting.


Him being a confirmed townie didn't make that post any more useful. I was correct in my suspicion of him. He ended up just being an inactive townie who got mod killed, instead of a mafia unwilling to contribute like I suspected.

There is no need for this to be included in your case against me. The fact that it was included should be looked upon as suspicious.



Why would there be anything on Sufficiency? This was posted right after I proposed a lynch on Beorn with Sufficiency! The reason for the post was to pressure Beorn, which I explained here:

You of all people should know this, considering this post was directed at you. Once again, highly suspicious that this made it into your case on me.



Um, what? This is the post that was describing my bandwagoning with Sufficiency and our so called "connection" you claim we have. "No mention of Sufficiency", not sure what you mean by this. There is no reason for me to be randomly accusing him in that post.



Yes, actually it did. Nobody asked for it until willz, and when he did I answered his question about beorn, along with my read on Sufficiency in the next post. As I stated above, because of his inactivity it was hard to have a good case on him:



That post is simply me trying to get more information out of Oto. How you came to that conclusion and felt it was worth including in your list of reasons I'm mafia, is beyond me.



If I was mafia, why would I care if a DT case went down on Rain? We now know he was a inactive towny, which I would have known at the time if i was mafia. Another massive slip Maverick.



Funny you say that now. You initial response was "Dim... I like that post.. a lot... ". Sounds like a lot of bandwagoning to me. It's obvious you're making wild assumptions.




That was not a defense of Sufficiency. I was giving my read on him at the time and I even said in the post that I would only consider him town if his early posts were to generate reactions and responses, which he never said was the case.


Once again you're just making the assumption I'm mafia. Saying "defending would be too obvious" isn't going to prove anything. How is this a reason I'm mafia?



How bout you, buddy? With how many slips you made in that post, it's obvious. I urge everyone to go through Mavericks filter and see for yourself.

##FoS: Maverick32x