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On March 08 2012 05:04 Maverick32x wrote:
I don't think we should vote for Dim... Even if he IS mafia.. he is too ambigious at this point... He has particpated and been engaged... This is realistically our last chance to win this...... I'd be nervous voting someone who has been an integral part of this process... I'd rather target a lurker.. someone who particpated very litte..
wat?
And with lurker I suppose you mean Sufficieny, gunman and Pablols.
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On March 08 2012 09:16 willz22912 wrote:
To blubbdavid:
How would killing a townie after he supports you be a risky tactic after the poor events of Day1? There was hardly any participation, the majority of players Day1 had low post counts, DimmuKlok and Mementoss were one of the most active. Would anyone have any good reason why Mementoss was targetted or any supsects? No, of course not, there was little information, and no reason to suspect DimmuKlok at this time. Do you really think that all mafia just try and lurk as much as possible? It's fairly obvious to go after lurkers, but it is not obvious to go after people who are the most active. Being active does not and should not give you the automatic feeling that someone is town, nor should it be a defense. Take a look at DimmuKlok's filter yourself and see how much useful information he really does post. It's not a lot, but hey he's active right?
By removing the only other active poster and having so much credibility, DimmuKlok dispels a lot of suspicion towards him, which is what Mafia would want! But even if you disregard how the Night kills may or may not have affected DimmuKlok, can you explain his behavior with Sufficiency, or the fact that he called me out and then retracted it with a "I guess my case wasn't that strong" when numerous people jumped to my defense? Why make a case against me at all then if you're not confident in your read.
He says my vote against him is a scare tactic, at least I'm willing to stand by my case and defend it until he posts a convincing defense besides one paragraph. In fact, I'm interested in seeing DimmuKlok's opinion on who we should vote for, considering you all believe he is still town.
I think that killing the most active townie while he supports you is a bad decision. Why would you kill the only player who sorta "trusts" you? As I said, I agree on your other points, especially on the interaction with Sufficiency, but the Kill policy just doesn't want to get in my head.
My vote is still on gunman right now. His fast push on rainmaker makes him suspicious.
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Only two hours left... What would happen if it continued like this?
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Yes, better a lynch than none.
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Goddamn, what's happening? This will result into a mass modkill.
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Isn't the Night post overdue? I need to go to bed.
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Dimmu, what do you say to willz fast change of heart?
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Wait what, it was trackdoor who has done it, not willz, sorry for the confusion.
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First and foremost, it screams bandwagoning to me. And he's probably too lazy to write anything.
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I am parallely playing another Mafia game atm and people there do that all the time.
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Now I really want to hear from trackdoor why he wanted to prevent the lynch on gunman so eagerly.
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My thoughts to trackdoor:
First of, very clever. Luring scum by making fake votes, and then that kind of prisoners dilemma.
On the other hand, you were kinda lucky that only Dimmu and me were on at that time.
To Sufficieny's behaviour I have to say that it happens often that someone just bandwagons in the last second. Imagine Suff would have voted for someone other than gunman, then we would be ripping his ass now.
Despite that, I am willing to lynch Suff this day.
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I will comment your read soon Mav.
To my last post I just want to say that I completely forgot the option that trackdoor himself could be scum. I was pretty sucked in by his theory. Now I have to revise my reads.
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You still leave a 0.01% chance that YOU could be scum.
Boom. That is what it is. I think this is the only way it can happen... Allow me to explain-
Willz- was targetting VERY early on by Gunman at a time when ANYONE could of been voted out. This would not of happened if Gunman and Willz were together...
Gunman NEVER accused any of the likely scum that I posted above. In fact he was supportive of Dim, and NEVER brought up Sufficiency despite claiming that he wanted to lynch lurkers, and sufficiency is the BIGGEST lurker of them all...
I honestly don't see where willz pointed anything out about gunman. He followed the gunman train with this post:
On March 09 2012 09:09 willz22912 wrote:
In the interest of still trying to win as town, if I drop my vote on DimmuKlok because no one will go along with it, should I be voting gunman and hoping for the best?
If you ctrl+f his filter you see him exactly three times saying gunman and almost none of them says anything against gunman. Just sayin
Whereas I like willz case on Dimmu.
Dim- This one kind of breaks my heart because for a long time I really thought Dim was town.. but allow me to explain. Dim targetted Trackd00r at the end of this rant. That means that him and Trackd00r can not be mafia. Dim also votes randomly for Beorn for being a lurker... The only other person who voted for Beorn was... Sufficiency!! (Starting to see the connection?) He defends sufficiency- and NEVER accusses him.. Dim and Sufficiency have a connection.
He has been on my watchlist since early. Yes, Dimmu targeted trackdoor after that one made accusations against Suff. But rightly so, I have done this too because trackdoors accusations were really weird.
And you are right that he defends Suff. But this will only make much sense if Suff is confirmed scum. We still don't know yet, altough Suff is on the top of the priority list. And I really like (read: don't like) the case Dimmu and Suff made against my predecessor, only because he was a lurker.
And last, please notice the incredible amount of fluff in his posts.
Sufficiency- Just a lurker. The case against him in the things he says are weak.. its how others interact with him that is important.. though I suppose lurking is kind of evidence in itself...
Originally I thought he was a bad townie, now I think he is just bad scum. And he said he has lost interest in the game. Don't know how to interpret this.  He isn't very useful and is hindering even if he were town.
Trackd00r- He had his freak out at the end which kind of paints him poorly.. HOWEVER- consider the lengthy post that he made before he freaked out that outlines a lot of reasons to target Gunman... I find this behavior suspicious.. but I don't think he was trying to change the vote.. but rather felt strongly that sufficiency was mafia (which I think he is correct in)
Ha, I like his case on me and Dimmu. It's real detective work. Or he could be scum, trying to convice some innocent townies to change their vote to Suff, then make his scum comrades change the vote in the last second and so avoiding a lynch on gun. But seeing the amount he put into his theory, I see this as unlikely. Still possible, but unlikely.
Blubb- Based off my above statement, If Blubb was mafia, and trackd00r was mafia, he would not of jumped on Trackd00r that much.... Leaning towards Dim, which means they are probably not the 'same' despite both being suspicious of Trackd00r....Targets sufficiency... Likely not with Sufficiency and Dim because they both voted against him (in a former life when he was Beorn)..
Fully agree.
tldr, I am against Suff and Dimmu.
And I almost forgot:
My read on Mav:
Mav's stance on gunman:
Finds him wishy washy, but gets more and more convinced that gunman could be scum. Even puts the scum read on gunman higher than his suspicions against Dimmu.
What can I say more, I still say that Mav is the towniest of us all. But that doesn't mean that we should let us convince us from him to much.
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First off, it was ME who pushed on gunman first, please don't forget that Mav.
Ok Dimmu, you say that by pushing Suffiency, Mav makes himself obvious as scum. Why that? That's only the case if you know whether Suff is townie. Why is pushing against a lurking, inactive player an obvious sign for scum? I am doing it myself too.
And I looked through Mav's filter again, and apart from some false assumption (*cough* at the beginning of my post), his posting is very stable, contrary to your's where you FOSed willz, and now Mav. And are you additionally assuming that Suff is scum too? Who of these three players would you say is town? Could you please tell me? Hmm?
You say that there is an obvious connection between them and gunman? While they both somehow bandwagoned on gunman, I don't see any defense in regard to gunman. Now please tell me where this connection is. I don't see a connection. But I see a connection between you and gunman, as pointed out from you and the others.
The case you have on Mav is ridiculous. If you had played a bit better, you would have stayed on willz. Atm Mav has his vote on Suff which is a good sign, but imo we should get rid of the more manipulating scum first.
I'll leave my vote on you, Dimmu, till you can satisfyingly answer the questions I stressed out.
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EBWOP:
But I see a connection between you and gunman, as pointed out from you and the others.
Should be
But I see a connection between you and gunman, as pointed out from the others.
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Ok, sry, I meant that they were pointing out on a connection between Suff and you, while you were pointing on their alleged connection to gunman.
The connection between Suff and you:
On March 02 2012 20:36 DimmuKlok wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 20:18 Sufficiency wrote:On March 02 2012 17:59 DimmuKlok wrote:
Sufficiency, while you're here could you explain to me in more detail why you chose OtoshimonoU and gunman103? gutty feelings. Fair enough... I was hoping it was something a little more elaborate, but ok. 
This was before you both jumped both on Beorn. You jumped BOTH oN him after this "harmless" little conversation.
Now you are suspecting both willz and Mav, saying that Suff is the most townie player of them all. Regardless of his real alignment, even a blind man could see that he is not acting townlike.
Atm you act like desperate scum, knowing that it could end any moment.
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There are five possibilities why you are still alive, Mavz:
1. You are scum
2. They want to mislead us.
3. They don't see a threat in you.
4. Your death undermines our theories.
5. You are scum
Note how the first and the last option are alike. Maybe I should stop assuming that you are town and start to look at you from a neutral point of view.
The second option: I am against Suff and Dimmu too, as was trackdoor. Which leads me to the third option: trackdoor argued much stronger than you in the last round, suspecting me and Dimmu. The fourth option... honestly I don't know about that one.
In your opinion, lynching Suff is the safest way? Well, I think that Dimmu is mafia, and Suff close second. If you can convince me, I will change my vote to Suff.
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Need to go to sleep soon, can't stay up like I did at the gunman lynch.
Who will we take down, Suff or Dimmu?
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I wasn't able to change my vote, neither did I want to do it.
Either way, Sufficiency was lynched modkilled?
Dimmu, are your accusations against me some OMGUS or can you elaborate it more?
Seems like Dimmu left everything behind what he wrote the past 48 hours and voted for Suff. Don't know how this are +points in your book Mav. On the other hand, he prevented a no-lynch. Wondered what happened if there was a stalemate next day.
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