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If any new players wants my slot I wouldnt mind giving it up to let them have a go at mafia Also when is this starting? | ||
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On February 25 2012 12:26 gumshoe wrote: Show nested quote + On February 25 2012 12:22 zelblade wrote: This filled up pretty quick :O If any new players wants my slot I wouldnt mind giving it up to let them have a go at mafia Also when is this starting? You stay right the hell here, where I can see you, no more lurking for you. I might be a little busy sometimes.... | ||
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http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page Besides if you are unsure of anything you could just ask Im sure that someone would be more than willing to explain it to you. LYLO refers to a day inwhich the lynch has to hit scum, otherwise town would lose. For example, there are 3 town players and 2 scum players. If town mislynches town will lose, as the ratio of town : scum would become 2:2, causing scum to reach their win condition. I dont know what CK refers to though. | ||
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On February 28 2012 01:42 FourFace wrote: So people don't like lurkers, they don't want fluff, they can't stand statistics, they like to post when they'll be online, they don't like people jumping on bandwagons, they get or don't get oooohh OOOHHh oOOHHH scum vi-bratioooonns, they don't want to prove they are/can be/are eager to be/promise to be useful just for the hell of it or even write about why they said someone is suspicious in the heat of a FOS that should help confirm their suspicion (instead they ask who they WOULD vote for; would is not that important but I hyphened it like a boss) . My oh my this is a tough crowd so i'll just stop clowning at this point even before Day[1] ends .. get it Day bracket 9 bracket i mean 1 bracket? No..? I give up. From now on I have a real reason for posting every move I make. Feel free to interrogate me about my motives any time but know that scum is listening. Anyway I've hacked the Scum QT and it says: Mafia won't shoot me, instead they want to wait to see if there is a vigilante who plays by the book and kills liars. They'll force a lynch on me tomorrow and they know they don't even have to roleblock. I guess I was too transparent even with all that bs going on. They'll force a lynch on me tomorrow and they know they don't even have to roleblock. I guess I was too transparent even with all that bs going on On February 28 2012 02:22 FourFace wrote: Show nested quote + EDIT: What I meant to say was They'll force a lynch on me tomorrow and shoot if it doesn't work out while knowing that they don't even have to releblock. I guess I was too ... etc etc transparent even with all that bs going on. Damnit guys I'm the DOC, now be nice to me .. vote for who I want you to vote and I will most likely save you. Medical care isn't free you know. As for who the DT is I have no idea but he sure is invisible .. or even a dark archon messing with my mind. Is there a pattern here? Do I get exponentially crazier after 2 am KST and get back to making a little sense starting around midnight? Damn I'm attention whoring hard, won't be long until someone lynches me solely for that reason. There's still hope though... Day 2 might be different if I live to see it. I'm getting tired of myself so you guys must be REALLY tired. Remember Doc needs you to be on his side for him to protect you. AlohaOn February 28 2012 01:42 FourFace wrote: They'll force a lynch on me tomorrow and they know they don't even have to roleblock. I guess I was too transparent even with all that bs going on. wtf | ||
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I also dont agree with the soft deadline policy you guys put in place. With it, one effectively cuts off a large part of discussion, and having a lynch targert "locked" (look at what good it did for town in SNMMVII day 2) isnt always a good thing. I agree that last minute mass switches are really terrible though, but I dont believe that this is the right solution. Instead, people that last minute vote-switch (on shitty reasons) should be held accountable for their actions. I dislike the fact that so many decided to switch to igabod and eventually a no-lynch. I agree with sloosh that igabod can be considered the "easy way out", and I find it surprising that you guys actually think that he has a higher chance of flipping scum as opposed to choclate or ghost. He has posted nothing, and I dont see how you guys see that he is auto-scum. It is much more probable that he had some IRL issues or lost interest in the game, which says zlich about his alignment. Moving on. I feel that ghost is scummy, but not based on the factors that have already been listed. The cases on him seem to be purely based on his lynching stance. Said stance towards lynching can be easily explained from both a townie and a mafia perspective imo. What I dont like are these. @Janaan I second what alderan said. Who you voting for? @Alderan Same goes to you. Who you voting for? Here he appears to "pressure" Ald and Janaan. Ald ignores him though, and continues flip-flopping around with his vote towards the end of the day. Why did you drop your pressure so easily? This feels like you are calling people out for the sake of it, and you dont really want to follow up on it. Scum attempting to look like hes contributing by "pressuring"? Chocolates play from NMMIII where he was scum feels totally diffrent. In that game he lurklurklurk his way to the endgame where he got eliminated by process of elimination. This game he is alot more active and based off meta it is likely hes town. His filter though leaves much to be desired. Im also really tired now (had a pretty tiring day) and I need to take a short break from mafia. I may post more later but I think ill leave it to tomorrow where I can reread this with a clearer mind. | ||
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We dont know why mafia hit jannan, and we will not know till after the game. Looking at who started to push him and deriving who is scum based on that alone is weak and wifom. Perhaps he was on the right track , perhaps they thought he was blue (doubtful), perhaps they decided to hit him to confuse us. There is no point continuing to harp on the night kill and we shouldnt take it as a major factor when pushing someone. Also I have a few suspicions, will elaborate when I get home and onto a computer. | ||
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And yes stop speculating if I am a blue, that information is for me and me alone, and won't help you guys in anyway. | ||
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On February 29 2012 14:48 gumshoe wrote: Show nested quote + On February 29 2012 14:46 zelblade wrote: Test so good at understanding my posts <3 And yes stop speculating if I am a blue, that information is for me and me alone, and won't help you guys in anyway. Fine, are you red then ? Dont worry I'm not | ||
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1) Stop basing your agurments on wifom. And just because jannnan happens to be town doesnt implicated Ald in any way. Townies get their reads wrong (esp day 1) all the time, so it could easily be a mistake. If these reads continue to be horrible of course .... 2) If you want to push those people (which I dont think is a good idea), do it yourself. Go through their filters and make a case if you think they are suspisious. Dont get DYH or someone else to do your dirty work for you. 3) Can we stop it with the bluefishing? | ||
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And no, I am not making a spectacle. The one doing so it you. We need to move on from this crap and start hunting some scum. Onto the more important stuff. I believe that a few of you (Sloosh, DYH, Hyde) are perhaps expecting too much from Alderan, and perhaps fear his scum play to an extent. I feel that his actions havent been scummy, and the cases made against him arent really great. What he has been called out for is supposedly dumping suspision on mutiple players. I do think that his thought process which he explained is perfectly valid. His play also happens to be totally diffrent from last game, where he played a safe scum that made the "right reads" and looked blue. His plan for day 1 was simply to tunnel dimmuklok, casting as much doubt without actually lynching him, instead wanting to leave him as a potential easy mislynch further into the game (which did not happen ofc). Furthermore, the activity diffrence is also staggering. I dont believe that he changed his style so much in just one game. Im suspisious of gumshoe. I dont how much wifom he has been applying to everything, and how he tried to rolefish. I did get the sense that he was improving greatly last game, but this game it seems that he has faded to a point where he isnt doing much. You could see that gum was constantly trying last game, and was being really enthusiastic about the game, constantly attempting to contribute (abliet in pretty bad ways lol), and eventually got better with his reads. However , look at his filter this game. There is hardly anything of note inside. It is a massive Yes, the gumshoe last game spammed as well. But look at the diffrence. That game his posts, whilst generally making little sense at the start (slowly improving) were filled with content, as opposed to the one-liners that he is spamming here. I suggest you guys to take a look at his filters from both games, and you would easily see the stark diffrence. Which is also why I feel that gumshoe is our best lynch for today. ##vote: gumshoe | ||
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That said, nttea you need to step up though. If you have trouble understanding what is going on perhaps take a look at one of the excellent guides around here or perhaps ask for help from one of the vets. | ||
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On March 01 2012 02:03 gumshoe wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2012 01:51 zelblade wrote: Because if you get roleblocked you claim it. Immdiatedly. Its information mafia already have, and town having more information is always a plus. Lets say you got roleblocked. Would you hide that fact, or let it out into the open? And no, I am not making a spectacle. The one doing so it you. We need to move on from this crap and start hunting some scum. Onto the more important stuff. I believe that a few of you (Sloosh, DYH, Hyde) are perhaps expecting too much from Alderan, and perhaps fear his scum play to an extent. I feel that his actions havent been scummy, and the cases made against him arent really great. What he has been called out for is supposedly dumping suspision on mutiple players. I do think that his thought process which he explained is perfectly valid. His play also happens to be totally diffrent from last game, where he played a safe scum that made the "right reads" and looked blue. His plan for day 1 was simply to tunnel dimmuklok, casting as much doubt without actually lynching him, instead wanting to leave him as a potential easy mislynch further into the game (which did not happen ofc). Furthermore, the activity diffrence is also staggering. I dont believe that he changed his style so much in just one game. Im suspisious of gumshoe. I dont how much wifom he has been applying to everything, and how he tried to rolefish. I did get the sense that he was improving greatly last game, but this game it seems that he has faded to a point where he isnt doing much. You could see that gum was constantly trying last game, and was being really enthusiastic about the game, constantly attempting to contribute (abliet in pretty bad ways lol), and eventually got better with his reads. However , look at his filter this game. There is hardly anything of note inside. It is a massive Yes, the gumshoe last game spammed as well. But look at the diffrence. That game his posts, whilst generally making little sense at the start (slowly improving) were filled with content, as opposed to the one-liners that he is spamming here. I suggest you guys to take a look at his filters from both games, and you would easily see the stark diffrence. Which is also why I feel that gumshoe is our best lynch for today. ##vote: gumshoe the stark difference is that I'm bored -_- nothing has happened, no lynch no significant cases, this whole game is just a stew of uncertainty right now. I am here before anything else to enjoy myself, by way of contributions ive pressured ghost, posted a case against sloosh which still stands and provided reasoning that ghost could be connected to sloosh so he's the better lynch bet at the time, also pushed for a lynch period, I've defended an active poster, commented on motive, defended myself, pressured you for giving us useless information and yes I've talked a lot because as I said i've been bored. So please lynch me so I can sign up for something a bit better more exciting ) :,maybe my mislynch will give the game the spark it needs, as of now I would much prefer obsing, where are the cases the arguments the fire? All that I find in its place is the tranquility that settles across a barren wasteland devoid of reasoning left ever dark by four looming shadows. What the fish. | ||
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Regarding the day 1 lynch, I feel that scum would definately have spread out their votes, and it is pretty unlikely that they all dumped their votes onto one person. Of the igabod train, who i feel most suspisious of is k2hd. His filter was pretty bare before recent posts, and the fact that he only started posting content when pressured feels wierd. Steveling was another suspect for me as I had read through the thread for the first time. I found him being lazy and not wanting to play being wierd as shit - why sign up if you know you arent going to play? Test (who replaced Steve) hasnt been giving off townie vibes either. Another suspision from the igabod train I actually had was DYH. I found him not willing to switch to steveling because he didnt "trust" Aldrean, even though he said that he agreeded with him. However, I do think that DYH is town now - he is obviously putting in effort into the game and is making good sense. I still believe that gumshoe will be the best lynch, and the most likely to flip scum imo. He still hasnt posted anything of substance, even though he has promised to do so, which is really wierd considering that he is always one of the most active posters so far in both this game and the last. My thoughts regarding him I have already elaborated on. Also Aldrean where the hell did you go to? I would be fine today with a gumshoe or k2hd lynch, in that order. Aldrean might not be a bad lynch either if he continues lurking so hard, but I would prefer leaving him for tomorrow. I need to go sleep soon, someone who can be active during the deadline please try to consolidate the lynch. We cannot afford to no-lynch today. P.S. I can change my vote from my phone before deadline if need be. | ||
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Now moving on to more important things. I DO NOT support a nettea lynch tomorrow. Look at what nearly every single player has said - nttea MUST be the next lynch. There is zero opposition to a nttea lynch. What this means that its either one of these 2 situations - either he is a noob townie who apparently isnt trying very hard, or a mafia getting bussed - which makes zero sense since no one is going to get any sort of credit bussing a vote ninja. Besides, this is a little WIFOMy, but as scum I expect that you would feel a sort of responsibilty towards your team, knowing who they are from the start and being able to communicate with them. I seriously doubt that igabod would go inactive like this with a scum team assisting him and nttea would post this sort of scummy crap. Besides, lynching nttea would simply allow mafia to lurk by and pile on nttea as he is "obv scum", regardless of what his alignment is. The lynch is a valuable tool, and vote patterns and such are an extremely useful tool to hunt down interactions between players, and enable us to spot scummy actions. I would not want to waste a lynch, especially a crucial one on day 3, on what I believe is a bad townie. Sure, he could be scum playing the overly noob card ... but I highly doubt it at this point. I have a couple of suspisions. My primary one is actually that DoYouHas is scum. Firstly, I have already stated I am really suspicious of the way he dealt with Alderan on day 1. Despite thinking that Steve is the better lynch, he decides to leave his vote on igabod, stating that he does not trust Alderan, primarly because he got "burned" by Ald last game. This logic is clearly bullshit. He, at this point, has no reason to suspect Alderan - besides knowing that Alderan's scum play is good. At first, I thought that this might have been fear of Ald's scum play - and he instictively worried about that possibility. However, thinking further, I believe that a townie DYH would have made a case during the day, and pushed it hard, if he indeed did feel Alderan was scum. However, he did no such thing, instead waiting for night and letting a no-lynch happen. Another thing that makes me suspicious is his stance on igabod. He states this on igabod: We don't know igabod is getting modkilled. There is every chance that he will be replaced. Because of this I still think that he is our best lynch option. Why would he think this? For one, it is more often than not a townie which goes inactive and has to be replaced, and Im sure that DYH knows this. Yet, he still feels that igabod will be the best lynch, simply because he will be replaced. It makes no sense, and I think phagga sums it up nicely here. This argumentation is absolutely stupid. If igabod is getting replaced, then he was not playing the game at all. Therefore him lurking does not say anything at all about his alignement. He might even be a blue for all we know, and some real life matter keep him from playing. His case on Alderan rang more alarm bells for me. A large portion of it lies on how Aldrean has been attempting to "buddy" him, which I feel is complete bullshit. Again, this seemed (at first) to be him subconciously being afraid of Ald's scum play, but in reality, I believe that he is more likely to be fearmongering here. Hyde also gives a good explanation why DYH's venture into the speculation of scums actions in day 1 in SNMMIV to aglin with scum's motives this game. I see no parallel at all between these two games, and I believe that DYH should be able to see this. This is most likely an attempt to derail the topic at hand, and indulge town in a useless topic for quite a while. Thankfully it didnt succeed though. Gumshoe's lynch is another area for suspision. Although he was on the "right" side of the lynch, I believe that it is a null tell, and may even be an indication of scum, considering the number of votes that were on gumshoe. The reason for this is that scum will want to split up their votes, and it is rather likely that he is doing what Alderan did with DYH's own lynch last game - claiming that he didnt think gumshoe was scum and getting some towncred for the lynch. Besides this, he is also really wishy washy about gumshoe. He states that he believes he is town based on his similar posting style - something which I feel is completely different (but that might be personal opinion, so w/e), but instead does not push against the lynch hard, citing that gumshoe might in fact be scum using his town meta as a cover. That is a bloody weak reason and we know it, and it is never enough for one to doubt one's innocence based on that and that alone. I would expect a townie in that sort of situation (thinking that a townie was to be lynched) to push against the lynch hard, and not apply some soft defense that wont stick. It seems that he wants the lynch to go through - yet doesnt want to be lynched for it. And the slip nttea found, listed here for your viewing pleasure, is just lol. So apparently k2hd is townie now? On March 02 2012 23:29 nttea wrote: Show nested quote + On March 02 2012 16:20 DoYouHas wrote: First and foremost comes the lynching of nttea. He lurks all game, drops a vote in the voting thread without saying anything in this thread. And just happens to vote for a townie. There is no backing your way out of that. He is gone tomorrow. wait what townie did i vote on?! -useless shit that makes 0 sense- Honestly, I could go on, as I feel that DYH's logic this game is really off. I believe that he is good, and should know better, which is also why I believe that he is scum. | ||
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If you do think so, who do you want to lynch? | ||
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If I die, please dont use my death to speculate the reason for me being shot. This goes for anyone else being shot of course, dont use wifom as a primary reason to push people. Im also fairly suspicious of testsubject due to his day 1 involvment with DYH (steveling incident, harped enough on that). Alderan with his recent lurking makes me really suspicious - post more. I also find everyone that jumped onto the "nttea needs to be lynched tomorrow" train without a second thought is scummy as ****. | ||
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I need to go out for quite a while so I'll respond to dyh among other things. Got roleblocked again btw. | ||
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On March 03 2012 04:03 DoYouHas wrote: Show nested quote + On March 03 2012 01:00 zelblade wrote: Goddamm, wasnt expecting that flip. Thought that he was most definately scum.. guess I was wrong. I have a couple of suspisions. My primary one is actually that DoYouHas is scum. Firstly, I have already stated I am really suspicious of the way he dealt with Alderan on day 1. Despite thinking that Steve is the better lynch, he decides to leave his vote on igabod, stating that he does not trust Alderan, primarly because he got "burned" by Ald last game. This logic is clearly bullshit. He, at this point, has no reason to suspect Alderan - besides knowing that Alderan's scum play is good. At first, I thought that this might have been fear of Ald's scum play - and he instictively worried about that possibility. However, thinking further, I believe that a townie DYH would have made a case during the day, and pushed it hard, if he indeed did feel Alderan was scum. However, he did no such thing, instead waiting for night and letting a no-lynch happen. 1. Another thing that makes me suspicious is his stance on igabod. He states this on igabod: We don't know igabod is getting modkilled. There is every chance that he will be replaced. Because of this I still think that he is our best lynch option. Why would he think this? For one, it is more often than not a townie which goes inactive and has to be replaced, and Im sure that DYH knows this. Yet, he still feels that igabod will be the best lynch, simply because he will be replaced. It makes no sense, and I think phagga sums it up nicely here. This argumentation is absolutely stupid. If igabod is getting replaced, then he was not playing the game at all. Therefore him lurking does not say anything at all about his alignement. He might even be a blue for all we know, and some real life matter keep him from playing. 2. His case on Alderan rang more alarm bells for me. A large portion of it lies on how Aldrean has been attempting to "buddy" him, which I feel is complete bullshit. Again, this seemed (at first) to be him subconciously being afraid of Ald's scum play, but in reality, I believe that he is more likely to be fearmongering here. 3. Hyde also gives a good explanation why DYH's venture into the speculation of scums actions in day 1 in SNMMIV to aglin with scum's motives this game. I see no parallel at all between these two games, and I believe that DYH should be able to see this. This is most likely an attempt to derail the topic at hand, and indulge town in a useless topic for quite a while. Thankfully it didnt succeed though. Gumshoe's lynch is another area for suspision. Although he was on the "right" side of the lynch, I believe that it is a null tell, and may even be an indication of scum, considering the number of votes that were on gumshoe. 3.1 The reason for this is that scum will want to split up their votes, and it is rather likely that he is doing what Alderan did with DYH's own lynch last game - claiming that he didnt think gumshoe was scum and getting some towncred for the lynch. 4. Besides this, he is also really wishy washy about gumshoe. He states that he believes he is town based on his similar posting style - something which I feel is completely different (but that might be personal opinion, so w/e), but instead does not push against the lynch hard, citing that gumshoe might in fact be scum using his town meta as a cover. That is a bloody weak reason and we know it, and it is never enough for one to doubt one's innocence based on that and that alone. I would expect a townie in that sort of situation (thinking that a townie was to be lynched) to push against the lynch hard, and not apply some soft defense that wont stick. It seems that he wants the lynch to go through - yet doesnt want to be lynched for it. 5. Honestly, I could go on, as I feel that DYH's logic this game is really off. I believe that he is good, and should know better, which is also why I believe that he is scum. 1. I thought igabod was the best lynch because he was a lurker. When the choice was between what I thought was a bad lynch and a lurker. I chose the lurker. The point that he is going to be replaced simply means that he won't be dealt with with a modkill. Later I admitted that objectively Steveling was the better lynch. However, this is not an objective game. My fears that Alderan was trying to pull a vote switch made me dig in my heels and refuse to vote for someone of his choice. 2. My case against Alderan was never meant to push him for a lynch, it was to fish for more content from him. When he played scum he posted a case on Dimmuklok, and managed to avoid chiming in on most other things. So I drew a response and a number of opinions out of him. That was the point. 3. No parallels between this game and SNMM7? Really? Both had a person do something crazy early on, and was largely trusted as a townie because of it. Both had a lack of strong cases day1. Both have the more experienced players at eachother's throats. Both had 2 candidates with a number of votes on them without a majority towards the end of the day. Both threatened a no-lynch and had a 3rd candidate come up as a compromise. That is what I see, why don't you? 3.1 So you see no parallels between this game and SNMM7, but you agree with me and Alderan that scum likely split their vote (which is a parallel), AND you think that I am playing scum similarly to Alderan from SNMM7 (another parallel). SO, let me get this straight. You think that I am scum, that I gave an accurate portrayal of how scum are playing this game, made a point of bringing it back up and getting Alderan to comment on it, and that I wasted everyone's time with speculations that you seem to agree with and even use in your case against me. That is what is absurd. 4. I was wishy-washy about gumshoe, that is how I felt about him. I found things in his play that I did not like, but I also saw things that seemed pro-town. That is why I tried to convince people to lynch k2hd. I felt he was the better lynch. I have no strong defense for this accusation, wishy-washy is accurate. I had no strong read on gumshoe. 5. I do think I'm better than some, but my cases were never rock solid in NMM3, I just had more conviction. My scumhunting was remarkably poor in SNMM7. You want to use the meta that I'm better than this against me? You are wrong, I'm floundering in an unproductive town just as much as everyone else. 1) The definition of a lurker is someone who actually posts, but doesnt post anything worthwhile. Did you really think igabod was more likely scum than town? I dont understand why you would prefer having him dead as opposed to replaced. Chances are the "lurker" is more often town than scum either way, and the fact that he has flipped town further reinforces this fact. 2) So what do you think of Alderan now? 3) Yes. Perhaps the situation played out a little similarly, but no two games are the same. Besides, what makes you believe that scum did the same thing as last game? One of the "expereinced players" could easily be scum for one, or the candidates could be scum. You have zero reason to believe that scum played similarly according to last game. Why dont you see this? 3.1) Scum almost always split their votes day 1, for obvious reasons, unless the lynch is close and one of the two candidates are mafia. There is no reason to believe they did not do so, and having all of them dump their votes on a single person is just dumb. And no, I never said that you and Alderan were acting similary. Instead, what i meant is this: I believe that you didnt vote gumshoe, claiming that you thought he was town, to gain towncred when he flipped. Alderan did something similar to this going against your lynch and voting for someone else instead. Besides, how do you know what you think is an "accurate portyal" of scum's play? You do not know how they are acting. Another thing - what conclusions have you yourself drawn from this activiy? Note how you never actually do so, and never actually use this speculation to drive home a case. Which is why I dont see it as useful. Note that this still doesnt explain why you wanted to venture into this topic. 4) Isnt this a position scum love to be in? 5) You might be right on this point that I am expecting too much of you, honestly because NMMIII gave me quite the impact. However, I still do think that your logic is horrible, and dont believe that you believe in it. | ||
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I also love how sloosh ignores my case on DYH completely, not giving a firm opinion and just saying "was on the fence". I would expect him to either attack, agree with, or at least say that he would take a closer look. Give a harder stance if you are town please. Stop flip-flopping. Basically I agree with most of J&H's scumlist, though I feel that testsubject deserves a place in it too. Oh and chocolates' case on phagga was horrible. Can you actually make a proper one instead of a summary if you really want to make one? But yes, phagga needs to do more than attack you. And you need to do more instead of just attacking him. | ||
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Either way, you say that your aim is to vote mafia. So who do you think is mafia right now, and why? | ||
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On March 04 2012 03:50 Chocolate wrote: why are these people who haven't contributed that much least likely to be scum? I pointed out this in my summary (lol) but phagga really hasn't done too much. Nor has nightfury. Nor has sloosh. Zellblade has been active recently but before his DYH case he didn't post much content either. And dyh is at the top of the list... are you trying to just make zellblade happy or do you honestly believe this? Who do you want to lynch today? Besides phagga. | ||
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The first paragraph pretty much sums up why im having doubts about my Alderan read as of now. I dont agree with the first to make case = not mafia, but I generally agree that he wouldnt have been driving discussion like that if he were mafia, and it seemed really different from last game. So I take it that you arent willing to lynch Alderan today, and instead want to push for a DYH lynch? | ||
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On March 05 2012 08:05 DoYouHas wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 03 2012 22:54 zelblade wrote: Show nested quote + On March 03 2012 04:03 DoYouHas wrote: On March 03 2012 01:00 zelblade wrote: Goddamm, wasnt expecting that flip. Thought that he was most definately scum.. guess I was wrong. I have a couple of suspisions. My primary one is actually that DoYouHas is scum. Firstly, I have already stated I am really suspicious of the way he dealt with Alderan on day 1. Despite thinking that Steve is the better lynch, he decides to leave his vote on igabod, stating that he does not trust Alderan, primarly because he got "burned" by Ald last game. This logic is clearly bullshit. He, at this point, has no reason to suspect Alderan - besides knowing that Alderan's scum play is good. At first, I thought that this might have been fear of Ald's scum play - and he instictively worried about that possibility. However, thinking further, I believe that a townie DYH would have made a case during the day, and pushed it hard, if he indeed did feel Alderan was scum. However, he did no such thing, instead waiting for night and letting a no-lynch happen. 1. Another thing that makes me suspicious is his stance on igabod. He states this on igabod: We don't know igabod is getting modkilled. There is every chance that he will be replaced. Because of this I still think that he is our best lynch option. Why would he think this? For one, it is more often than not a townie which goes inactive and has to be replaced, and Im sure that DYH knows this. Yet, he still feels that igabod will be the best lynch, simply because he will be replaced. It makes no sense, and I think phagga sums it up nicely here. This argumentation is absolutely stupid. If igabod is getting replaced, then he was not playing the game at all. Therefore him lurking does not say anything at all about his alignement. He might even be a blue for all we know, and some real life matter keep him from playing. 2. His case on Alderan rang more alarm bells for me. A large portion of it lies on how Aldrean has been attempting to "buddy" him, which I feel is complete bullshit. Again, this seemed (at first) to be him subconciously being afraid of Ald's scum play, but in reality, I believe that he is more likely to be fearmongering here. 3. Hyde also gives a good explanation why DYH's venture into the speculation of scums actions in day 1 in SNMMIV to aglin with scum's motives this game. I see no parallel at all between these two games, and I believe that DYH should be able to see this. This is most likely an attempt to derail the topic at hand, and indulge town in a useless topic for quite a while. Thankfully it didnt succeed though. Gumshoe's lynch is another area for suspision. Although he was on the "right" side of the lynch, I believe that it is a null tell, and may even be an indication of scum, considering the number of votes that were on gumshoe. 3.1 The reason for this is that scum will want to split up their votes, and it is rather likely that he is doing what Alderan did with DYH's own lynch last game - claiming that he didnt think gumshoe was scum and getting some towncred for the lynch. 4. Besides this, he is also really wishy washy about gumshoe. He states that he believes he is town based on his similar posting style - something which I feel is completely different (but that might be personal opinion, so w/e), but instead does not push against the lynch hard, citing that gumshoe might in fact be scum using his town meta as a cover. That is a bloody weak reason and we know it, and it is never enough for one to doubt one's innocence based on that and that alone. I would expect a townie in that sort of situation (thinking that a townie was to be lynched) to push against the lynch hard, and not apply some soft defense that wont stick. It seems that he wants the lynch to go through - yet doesnt want to be lynched for it. 5. Honestly, I could go on, as I feel that DYH's logic this game is really off. I believe that he is good, and should know better, which is also why I believe that he is scum. 1. I thought igabod was the best lynch because he was a lurker. When the choice was between what I thought was a bad lynch and a lurker. I chose the lurker. The point that he is going to be replaced simply means that he won't be dealt with with a modkill. Later I admitted that objectively Steveling was the better lynch. However, this is not an objective game. My fears that Alderan was trying to pull a vote switch made me dig in my heels and refuse to vote for someone of his choice. 2. My case against Alderan was never meant to push him for a lynch, it was to fish for more content from him. When he played scum he posted a case on Dimmuklok, and managed to avoid chiming in on most other things. So I drew a response and a number of opinions out of him. That was the point. 3. No parallels between this game and SNMM7? Really? Both had a person do something crazy early on, and was largely trusted as a townie because of it. Both had a lack of strong cases day1. Both have the more experienced players at eachother's throats. Both had 2 candidates with a number of votes on them without a majority towards the end of the day. Both threatened a no-lynch and had a 3rd candidate come up as a compromise. That is what I see, why don't you? 3.1 So you see no parallels between this game and SNMM7, but you agree with me and Alderan that scum likely split their vote (which is a parallel), AND you think that I am playing scum similarly to Alderan from SNMM7 (another parallel). SO, let me get this straight. You think that I am scum, that I gave an accurate portrayal of how scum are playing this game, made a point of bringing it back up and getting Alderan to comment on it, and that I wasted everyone's time with speculations that you seem to agree with and even use in your case against me. That is what is absurd. 4. I was wishy-washy about gumshoe, that is how I felt about him. I found things in his play that I did not like, but I also saw things that seemed pro-town. That is why I tried to convince people to lynch k2hd. I felt he was the better lynch. I have no strong defense for this accusation, wishy-washy is accurate. I had no strong read on gumshoe. 5. I do think I'm better than some, but my cases were never rock solid in NMM3, I just had more conviction. My scumhunting was remarkably poor in SNMM7. You want to use the meta that I'm better than this against me? You are wrong, I'm floundering in an unproductive town just as much as everyone else. 1) The definition of a lurker is someone who actually posts, but doesnt post anything worthwhile. Did you really think igabod was more likely scum than town? I dont understand why you would prefer having him dead as opposed to replaced. Chances are the "lurker" is more often town than scum either way, and the fact that he has flipped town further reinforces this fact. 2) So what do you think of Alderan now? 3) Yes. Perhaps the situation played out a little similarly, but no two games are the same. Besides, what makes you believe that scum did the same thing as last game? One of the "expereinced players" could easily be scum for one, or the candidates could be scum. You have zero reason to believe that scum played similarly according to last game. Why dont you see this? 3.1) Scum almost always split their votes day 1, for obvious reasons, unless the lynch is close and one of the two candidates are mafia. There is no reason to believe they did not do so, and having all of them dump their votes on a single person is just dumb. And no, I never said that you and Alderan were acting similary. Instead, what i meant is this: I believe that you didnt vote gumshoe, claiming that you thought he was town, to gain towncred when he flipped. Alderan did something similar to this going against your lynch and voting for someone else instead. Besides, how do you know what you think is an "accurate portyal" of scum's play? You do not know how they are acting. Another thing - what conclusions have you yourself drawn from this activiy? Note how you never actually do so, and never actually use this speculation to drive home a case. Which is why I dont see it as useful. Note that this still doesnt explain why you wanted to venture into this topic. 4) Isnt this a position scum love to be in? 5) You might be right on this point that I am expecting too much of you, honestly because NMMIII gave me quite the impact. However, I still do think that your logic is horrible, and dont believe that you believe in it. 1. If you make it through a day without posting, but are not being removed from the game, that makes you a lurker. 2. I did not like his early play with 1 case and lots of smaller posts. That is why I pushed him some. Also, I don't like that he has not posted in a while. However, (this is mostly from memory because I'm in a bit of hurry) he makes more sense some of you. I lean town for him atm. 3. You don't like my reasoning, so be it. I think that correlating events and situations hint at how the mafia are playing. You don't. I'm not wasting any more time on this. 3.1 bolded What is this? It was extremely clear what you said, you said that I did something similar to Alderan's scum play from SNMM7. As for the "accurate portrayal" talk. My actual words were, "You think that I am scum, that I gave an accurate portrayal of how scum are playing this game, made a point of bringing it back up and getting Alderan to comment on it, and that I wasted everyone's time with speculations that you seem to agree with and even use in your case against me." I never said that I thought that I had presented a completely accurate portrayal of scum play this game. Instead, my point is that you are using some of the same things that I brought up in my speculation to attack me. So you must think that I was at least somewhat accurate with my speculation. Italicized What conclusions did I make? What cases did I push forward with my speculation? This One I used my speculation to create standards which I used to scumhunt. I pushed NightFury with these standards. 4. Yes it is, but it is still the truth of how I felt. 5. I think the logic of your cases against me is equally horrible, so at least it is mutual. Something about zelblade that needs to be said. Many of us (including me) believed he is town because of the ridiculous and crazy response FourFace made to my initial case. However, with nttea flipping medic, we know that FourFace fakeclaimed doctor. I am of the opinion now that FourFace's craziness no longer exonerates zelblade. I am obviously biased against zelblade because I think he is making bad cases against me. All that I am asking of you is to put him back on the table when you are considering who is suspicious. 1) Yes, but in the case of igabod he was going to be either modkilled or replaced, bar him last minute voting. You arent answering my primary point - why didnt you want him replaced? 2) So you are "leaning town" on Alderan, but decided to vote for him? 3) If you say so. 3.1) Yes, I mentioned that you used the gumshoe lynch to gain towncred, something relatively similar to what Alderan did. However, this is a common thing for scum to do, and honestly scum do it often. I think that I misunderstood your first response though, I thought that you believed that I thought that you your play is largerly similar to Ald's, when I was only referencing to one point. The accurate portrayal I misunderstood, my bad. Last I remembered you dropped that case less than a few hours of posting it. I already mentioned that the medic claim was fake, why bring it up again? And if you think that im scum, make a case against me and push it, dont poke others to do it. | ||
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Chocolate seems the worst of them all tbh. The whole "mafia is running the town" seems to be a statement that is pointing fingers at whoever is leading the town, without any actual hard accusations. Anyway, even if you are town, what does it have to do with your reads? Although it does show that you dont have any malicious intentions behind your reads, they still could be wrong. Expecting town to lynch according to your reads if you flip town wont work, unless you have cases which are rock-solid, but you apparently dont. And if you feel none of the primary candidates are scum, why the hell did you vote for Ald? Why dont you push a case on someone else and try to convince townies to follow you? You look terribly scummy right now, and if you are town, are clearly putting in next to no effort into this game. Testsubject still hasnt posted anything of decent substance yet and has sheeped another mislynch. Nightfury's vote on Alderan is also based off completely nothing, and he spends most of a "critical day" posting stuff about how no-lynch sucks, and of course comments on his case on ghost, which I feel that is pretty bad. He states that he goes to read the filters of DYH & Alderan, yet doesnt comment on them at all before proceeding to vote Alderan because "lynch > no-lynch". Come on guys I dont believe that you are all scum... Post more and take a more active role in the thread please, especially if you feel that we are on the wrong track. | ||
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On March 05 2012 21:44 Chocolate wrote: Testsubjects list. Ganging up on me earlier. Being behind all the town lynches. I dont know why he put me as 10% town, and I cant explain his actions, but I certainly didnt "gang up on you". I havent even mentioned you at all (except for a leaning town read when I first replaced in based on meta), and considering that you were also on both the gumshoe and Alderan lynches yourself your last statement is so dammed hyprocritical. Dont give me some bullshit that lynch > no-lynch because it alone is not a valid reason to vote for someone who you dont think is scum. | ||
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On March 05 2012 22:05 phagga wrote: Show nested quote + On March 05 2012 21:44 Chocolate wrote: Testsubjects list. Ganging up on me earlier. Being behind all the town lynches. You voted on gumshoe and Alderan too. In fact, there was no need for you to vote either of them, as they would have been lynched with one vote less as well (and you were the last one to vote for Alderan 55 minutes before the deadline with an absolut joke of a reason). But I guess you did not want to risk that a townie would not get lynched, because you are scum Can you stop tunneling chocolate for a moment and answer my question? | ||
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GG gl =/ Dreamflower can I have the obs qt please? Thanks :D | ||
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March 08 2012 03:08 GMT
#1001
Sorry for my horrible reads -.- | ||
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March 08 2012 03:09 GMT
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March 08 2012 03:10 GMT
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March 08 2012 03:11 GMT
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March 08 2012 03:12 GMT
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March 08 2012 03:14 GMT
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I assume you checked Ald, Sloosh and someone else? | ||
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March 08 2012 03:14 GMT
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March 08 2012 03:18 GMT
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March 08 2012 03:19 GMT
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March 08 2012 03:25 GMT
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Yes but the lynch can be manipulated by scum easily. Which is why you should have just shot who you thought was most likely to be scum =/ | ||
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