Newbie Mini Mafia IV - Page 2

On March 01 2012 19:39 k2hd wrote:
I believe that chocolate is town.

He's had a LOT of pressure put on him due to his sub-par posting on day 1, and had to defend himself left, right and centre for the rest of day 1. He's spent most of his time on defensive posts, and perhaps hasn't been able to focus on gathering much of his own evidence on other players. He is very aggressive in trying to force lurkers to post more by voting, but as was mentioned by DYH, this could just have been a poorly thought out way of fostering discussion. I understand that it may have been an easy way to avoid generating original content/cases of his own, but again, this is probably just the play style of a townie who is unsure of what to do, or who would rather not stick his head out too much. I did not check up on everyone's previous games, but from what I gather from what others have said, chocolate was mafia in his last game, had to tone down his posting because it was too aggressive, and hasn't played town before (unless he's had another game that I don't know about).

There is also this post by chocolate:



Why would he argue so confidently against a vote swing AWAY from him?1

Chocolate is also one of the first to start getting suspicious of alderan. After day 1, some of the heat was finally lifted off of him and focused on alderan by others. Following this, we have sloosh post a large case against alderan, followed by JekylAndHyde's case, and alderan is under more and more pressure. Instead of continuing his case against alderan, chocolate decides to launch a case against night fury of all people, who no one had posted any suspicions against yet. If he were mafia, why would he not join others in pressuring alderan (or the case that is piling up against gumshoe), and go for a target who would be harder to mislynch? I sincerely believe chocolate is town, and that some of those pressuring him hard are looking scummy to me.

Those who voted chocolate on day 1: phagga, sloosh, NightFury, ghost

I currently do not have as much info as I'd like on NightFury to say much about him.

Sloosh's actions seem pro-town to me so far, and though he has not posted as much as others, his posts have generally been full of content.

Now for the remaining two:

Phagga has been trying very hard for a chocolate lynch the whole game.2 He takes a moment to call gumshoe out on why he didn't change his vote from ghost, and why he felt the need to "take responsibility" for voting chocolate if he flipped green, and then goes straight back to attacking chocolate. He is either getting tunnel vision with chocolate3, or trying to get the mislynch on him. Have a look at this post. He accuses chocolate of relying on the arguments of others, and voting lurkers (a policy which he did state at the start), but ignores the fact that it is chocolate who first brought up a case against alderan (albeit a rather lackluster one) and states emphatically that he will vote chocolate again on day 2, presumably for not coming up with original cases/evidence, when there was still 48 irl hours for chocolate to contribute on day 2 (day 1 had not even ended yet). This early vote behaviour was the same thing we called nttea out for when he wanted a default alderan lynch.

Then we have ghost. His last few posts have all been aimed at chocolate. here they are

Ghost and phagga engage in banter that seems like bullying chocolate to me in the first post, and the second post is unnecessary, because although chocolate did not do anything like make a new case, it was still a valid point. Nttea should not be posting like that, and if he is as clueless as he says he is, chocolate was only helping him. The way he analyses the chocolate quotes in the third post is very condescending in tone. He could have done so without putting chocolate down, as others in the thread have done.

1bI also do not trust this post made by ghost:



Trying to gain the trust of the town by encouraging a chocolate or ghost lynch on day 1. If chocolate flipped green, suspicion may still have fallen off of ghost because mafia would presumably not make a post like this. I realise that this point is a bit WIFOM (I think I'm using the term correctly?).

Basically, it seems to me that phagga and ghost are actively trying to discredit chocolate after his already shaky start, and possibly also get the mislynch on him.

On March 01 2012 22:16 k2hd wrote:


Perhaps it is enough that chocolate is discredited, and you know you don't have the numbers to mislynch him without mafia stacking on him. At this stage, there is a low chance of chocolate actually being lynched and thus, flipping green, since there are multiple cases out on alderan, gumshoe and myself. It is also a convenient way of wasting a vote and not committing to anyone else, but as you say, I will wait to see what you have to say about others when you're done with their filters. I will try my best to see what you have to say in the morning before class. This is why I am placing a preliminary vote on ghost first.

On February 28 2012 08:36 phagga wrote:
So, folks, I will be offline for the night in about 20 minutes. So far my vote stays on Chocolate. I have read a few interesting things about others (specially steveling), but so far nothing could convince me to switch my vote to another person. I still think Chocolate is our best lynch.

On February 28 2012 10:00 phagga wrote:
I'm off to bed now. My vote stays on chocolate.

On March 01 2012 20:58 phagga wrote:
To k2hd:

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1 You are aware that later in your post at 1b you quote ghost_403 who wrote against a vote switch away from him and chocolate, and say that that post is a reason you don't trust ghost_403? This is contradictory.

2 The question you should ask yourself here is: Is this something a townie would do? And if so, is it also something scum would do? I doubt scum would want to stay in the spotlight like that.

Also, If you are town, and you feel strongly about someone being scum, what are you gonna do?
- Try to push a lynch on that person even if people will not listen to you
- let the person of the hook because noone listens to you, and pick another target

I would be stupid to push his lynch so hard if I was scum and knew he was town. When he would get lynched and flipped green, everyone would be on my heels. You do not want that as scum, specially not so early in the game.

Nothing Chocolate said so far convinced me that he is not scum. That's why I still want him lynched.

3 I am aware that I am prone to tunneling Chocolate, and I am currently reading through several filters (again) to give an update on who else I think is fishy.

On February 28 2012 21:35 phagga wrote:


You did not unvote him, you only faked it. In the voting thread, your vote stayed on ghost_403. Why?



Why do you want to take responsibility for it?

On February 29 2012 00:53 phagga wrote:


It just came out of nothing. You mentioned Chocolate a few times, but failed to vote on him. You barely pushed him. I tried to push Chocolate the whole day, so why not make me responsible if he would flip green? Or what about Alderaan, who made the first case on Chocolate?

Also, if a majority of people is voting Chocolate, everyone has some responsibility in it. Why would town want to single out a person only because of that one vote and make him/her responsible for a mislynch? That does not make any sense, sometimes townies get lynched because wrong decisions are made. But then you don't go and point finger at single person, instead you start analyzing who voted for that townie when and for what reason. Claiming responsibility before the lynch has even happened and before it is clear if it is a myslynch or not is utterly pointless.

Unless you want to put focus on how you are helpful and care about town. But a townie normally does not have to do that.



uh, Marry me?

(I am not sure which word you mean. If you mean mafia, why not just write it? It's not like you're reading the insignia of The One Ring and Sauron can hear you.)

On March 04 2012 06:24 NightFury wrote:
Small preamble to start off with. I know I said I’d be sharing my thoughts on k2hd previously and I also noticed ghost’s reply to my case. However, when going over k2hd and the game as a whole, I noticed something completely different. I haven’t forgotten the other things I need to do, but I feel this is an important issue.

There has been one theme this entire game: Produce Content.

Since the very beginning of the game, this theme has been on everyone’s minds. Of course, producing content is essential or else there’d be nothing. However, everyone’s been obsessed with the theme and I believe it is extremely detrimental. We have people who berate others for not producing original content and using that as basis for their cases. We also have people who are trying to produce content but may not be completely successful in the endeavour. We have people who belong to both groups and other sorts of categories.

If anyone takes a look at the entire thread I’m sure they’d agree that town is in a huge mess right now. I don’t think this mess is even the mafia’s doing. It has become this way due to the fixation on producing content. We are less than 30 hours away from the next lynch and things are going nowhere. What we need is some form of direction that can reorganize town (I am completely open to suggestions and trying to think of something).

In response to this huge mess, the mafia have been able to hide away in general. But I am willing to claim that the mafia aren’t really hiding out of sight. They’re amongst the people who are trying to force content out of people just for the sake of content. It sets up easy targets and given the mentality of the entire thread, it will draw attention to low producers and away from themselves.

We are probably at the most critical part of the game thus far. How the next lynch and night goes will probably set the tone for the rest of the game. The way things are going right now are not good and we need to rally to produce content that is actually productive and not just for the sake of making a post.