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k2hd
Cayman Islands78 Posts
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
On March 03 2012 04:03 DoYouHas wrote: 1. I thought igabod was the best lynch because he was a lurker. When the choice was between what I thought was a bad lynch and a lurker. I chose the lurker. The point that he is going to be replaced simply means that he won't be dealt with with a modkill. Later I admitted that objectively Steveling was the better lynch. However, this is not an objective game. My fears that Alderan was trying to pull a vote switch made me dig in my heels and refuse to vote for someone of his choice. 2. My case against Alderan was never meant to push him for a lynch, it was to fish for more content from him. When he played scum he posted a case on Dimmuklok, and managed to avoid chiming in on most other things. So I drew a response and a number of opinions out of him. That was the point. 3. No parallels between this game and SNMM7? Really? Both had a person do something crazy early on, and was largely trusted as a townie because of it. Both had a lack of strong cases day1. Both have the more experienced players at eachother's throats. Both had 2 candidates with a number of votes on them without a majority towards the end of the day. Both threatened a no-lynch and had a 3rd candidate come up as a compromise. That is what I see, why don't you? 3.1 So you see no parallels between this game and SNMM7, but you agree with me and Alderan that scum likely split their vote (which is a parallel), AND you think that I am playing scum similarly to Alderan from SNMM7 (another parallel). SO, let me get this straight. You think that I am scum, that I gave an accurate portrayal of how scum are playing this game, made a point of bringing it back up and getting Alderan to comment on it, and that I wasted everyone's time with speculations that you seem to agree with and even use in your case against me. That is what is absurd. 4. I was wishy-washy about gumshoe, that is how I felt about him. I found things in his play that I did not like, but I also saw things that seemed pro-town. That is why I tried to convince people to lynch k2hd. I felt he was the better lynch. I have no strong defense for this accusation, wishy-washy is accurate. I had no strong read on gumshoe. 5. I do think I'm better than some, but my cases were never rock solid in NMM3, I just had more conviction. My scumhunting was remarkably poor in SNMM7. You want to use the meta that I'm better than this against me? You are wrong, I'm floundering in an unproductive town just as much as everyone else. 1) The definition of a lurker is someone who actually posts, but doesnt post anything worthwhile. Did you really think igabod was more likely scum than town? I dont understand why you would prefer having him dead as opposed to replaced. Chances are the "lurker" is more often town than scum either way, and the fact that he has flipped town further reinforces this fact. 2) So what do you think of Alderan now? 3) Yes. Perhaps the situation played out a little similarly, but no two games are the same. Besides, what makes you believe that scum did the same thing as last game? One of the "expereinced players" could easily be scum for one, or the candidates could be scum. You have zero reason to believe that scum played similarly according to last game. Why dont you see this? 3.1) Scum almost always split their votes day 1, for obvious reasons, unless the lynch is close and one of the two candidates are mafia. There is no reason to believe they did not do so, and having all of them dump their votes on a single person is just dumb. And no, I never said that you and Alderan were acting similary. Instead, what i meant is this: I believe that you didnt vote gumshoe, claiming that you thought he was town, to gain towncred when he flipped. Alderan did something similar to this going against your lynch and voting for someone else instead. Besides, how do you know what you think is an "accurate portyal" of scum's play? You do not know how they are acting. Another thing - what conclusions have you yourself drawn from this activiy? Note how you never actually do so, and never actually use this speculation to drive home a case. Which is why I dont see it as useful. Note that this still doesnt explain why you wanted to venture into this topic. 4) Isnt this a position scum love to be in? 5) You might be right on this point that I am expecting too much of you, honestly because NMMIII gave me quite the impact. However, I still do think that your logic is horrible, and dont believe that you believe in it. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
Give your reads on DYH, Sloosh, and Alderan. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
I also love how sloosh ignores my case on DYH completely, not giving a firm opinion and just saying "was on the fence". I would expect him to either attack, agree with, or at least say that he would take a closer look. Give a harder stance if you are town please. Stop flip-flopping. Basically I agree with most of J&H's scumlist, though I feel that testsubject deserves a place in it too. Oh and chocolates' case on phagga was horrible. Can you actually make a proper one instead of a summary if you really want to make one? But yes, phagga needs to do more than attack you. And you need to do more instead of just attacking him. | ||
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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
On March 03 2012 21:31 k2hd wrote: I know you weren't addressing me zelblade, but I totally forgot about testsubject. I just went through everyone's filters, and found myself repeatedly drawn towards testsubject's filter. Test, you've been in the game long enough to contribute more than you have up until now. While you were right when you rebutted gumshoe's point that you were trying to pass off other people's reasoning as your own, his main point still stands: you have not proposed any original cases or points yet, nor have you defended anybody you think is town (aside from stating you have a null/weak read on somebody which, of course, doesn't count). Your only original point so far is this post: A number other first time players in this game (including myself) have already been called out for playing like this earlier, and have attempted to contribute more. I think it is your turn to do so now. + Show Spoiler + Ghost, I have another question for you. You claim in this post here: + Show Spoiler + On March 01 2012 07:44 ghost_403 wrote: Let's take but a moment to examine our dear friend Chocolate. My problem with him, in addition to the things that I brought up on Day 1, is that he brings nothing new to the game. He is the perfect example of a scummy lurker. His goal is to post enough in the thread to make himself look townie while providing nothing of value. Let's take a look at a couple of the posts that he's made. (Fun fact: these are in fact ALL of his posts since Night 1.) Can't figure out who he's talking to in this post. He basically says here that he doesn't like the people that voted to lynch him. Responds to me with a contentless post. Useless. TL;DR - I agree with Alderan, begin wishy-washy is bad, Steveling was a better lynch than Igabod (which Alderan already stated here). Next post, he defends himself from Phagga. Posts some thoughts, nothing profound. We have to note here that the only reason he did this was that he was provoked. Next three posts say nothing. Responds to pressure, nothing new. My favorite post. Yells at nttea for posting without saying anything. LOL. Tells us that the guy who thought about getting modkilled is kinda fishy. Profound thought here. Take a minute to go back and read through his filter. All of his posts thus far have been either, A) agreeing with other players, B) finding lurkers scummy, or C) defending himself. Chocolate has not brought anything new to this thread, and is therefore, a scummy lurker. That chocolate's posts consist of unoriginal content (he has since posted some original content), agreeing with others and defending himself. You take the time to make that large post, but don't bother taking the time to post even 1 or 2 points about testsubject, who has skated by (even after taking into account his shorter time here) even more than chocolate? Your only post addressing testsubject is this one: On March 02 2012 08:10 ghost_403 wrote: To clarify, nttea hasn't posted anything in two days. test has posted some. I don't think he's lurking, but I haven't looked too hard at him (yet). Is it going to end up something like this instead? On March 01 2012 07:44 ghost_403 wrote: Lest I be accused of tunneling, next one's for Alderan. On March 01 2012 08:25 ghost_403 wrote: Nevermind, I don't have enough to post on Alderan at the moment. My bad!  After my fourth reading, it seems that you are most consistent than I previously believed. Ok, so here's my dilemma. I've been pretty busy the last few days; I'm out of town visiting my girlfriend. The problem is that apparently, saying you won't have much time is scummy. On top of that, when I do catch up, what I conclude has already been said. Like you're telling me now, and I've been badgered for in the past, posting non-original opinions is scummy. The original opinions I do have are very speculative and inconsequential, but posting "wishy-washy" opinions is scummy. To top all of this off, I can't even really wrap my head around the obsession with everyone having to have some incredibly decisive opinion and shoving it down everyone's throat, then having their own alignment judged by it. My number one job in this game is to vote for mafia to be lynched. Second to that, I want to help persuade others to not vote for non-mafia. The only player I KNOW isn't mafia is myself, so when players accuse me, I do my best to defend myself, because its in the best interest of me and my teammates, whoever they are. This brings me to your point of me not defending anyone else as town. Why would I? I don't know who is town. It seems to me that optimal mafia play would be to act/post exactly the same as you would if you were town. If all of the mafia were to pull this off, the game just becomes a guessing game. So if I defend someone who I think is probably town, what does that help? I could be right, I could be wrong. Wouldn't it be better to try and attack who I think is mafia? I don't vote for who I think is town, I vote for who I think is mafia (see my number one job in the game). And finally, asking newbie questions, or not understating the strategy is also apparently scummy. So instead of trying to learn to online play, like you'd expect me to be able to do in a newbie game, I just spend my time not being able to flesh out a solid strategy and being forced to play within these seemingly arbitrary confines. Apparently "we're all newbs in this game", but you guys all seem to have some knowledge of a metagame that I have no idea of. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
Either way, you say that your aim is to vote mafia. So who do you think is mafia right now, and why? | ||
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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
On March 04 2012 03:07 zelblade wrote: So lets say you think Player A is most likely town and about to be lynched. Would you really sit idly by, not giving a shit about said lynch, letting town derp into what you believe would be a mislynch, instead of defending him, explaining why you think he is town? Either way, you say that your aim is to vote mafia. So who do you think is mafia right now, and why? Well first of all by "most likely town" I assume you mean, that I believe they have a higher than 50% chance of being town. Its worth noting that on average, even having lost 3 townies, a players at random has a 64% chance of being town. Because there is some inherent uncertainty in every player, its possible that I could judge a player to be 50-50 and still have them in say, the top 3 most likely to be mafia. Anyway, if I think there is a significantly better lynch choice, I would lay out why said lynch is superior to lynching Player A. While I'm doing all the math here, I'll go ahead and just through out some percentages I'm thinking as for as chance that they are mafia. (Note these are influenced by the fact that they must add up to 400% because there are 4 mafia.) DoYouHas - 70% Alderan - 70% Chocolate - 60% k2hd - 45% ghost_403 - 40% JekyllAndHyde - 35% slOosh - 25% phagga - 25% NightFury - 20% zelblade - 10% I need to go, but go ahead and tell me which ones you'd like me to elaborate on, and I'll address them later today. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
Going to sleep. | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
slOosh - 25% phagga - 25% NightFury - 20% zelblade - 10% why are these people who haven't contributed that much least likely to be scum? I pointed out this in my summary (lol) but phagga really hasn't done too much. Nor has nightfury. Nor has sloosh. Zellblade has been active recently but before his DYH case he didn't post much content either. And dyh is at the top of the list... are you trying to just make zellblade happy or do you honestly believe this? | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
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slOosh
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NightFury
Canada114 Posts
There has been one theme this entire game: Produce Content. Since the very beginning of the game, this theme has been on everyone’s minds. Of course, producing content is essential or else there’d be nothing. However, everyone’s been obsessed with the theme and I believe it is extremely detrimental. We have people who berate others for not producing original content and using that as basis for their cases. We also have people who are trying to produce content but may not be completely successful in the endeavour. We have people who belong to both groups and other sorts of categories. If anyone takes a look at the entire thread I’m sure they’d agree that town is in a huge mess right now. I don’t think this mess is even the mafia’s doing. It has become this way due to the fixation on producing content. We are less than 30 hours away from the next lynch and things are going nowhere. What we need is some form of direction that can reorganize town (I am completely open to suggestions and trying to think of something). In response to this huge mess, the mafia have been able to hide away in general. But I am willing to claim that the mafia aren’t really hiding out of sight. They’re amongst the people who are trying to force content out of people just for the sake of content. It sets up easy targets and given the mentality of the entire thread, it will draw attention to low producers and away from themselves. We are probably at the most critical part of the game thus far. How the next lynch and night goes will probably set the tone for the rest of the game. The way things are going right now are not good and we need to rally to produce content that is actually productive and not just for the sake of making a post. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On March 03 2012 23:14 zelblade wrote: I also love how sloosh ignores my case on DYH completely, not giving a firm opinion and just saying "was on the fence". I would expect him to either attack, agree with, or at least say that he would take a closer look. Give a harder stance if you are town please. Stop flip-flopping. I was taking a closer look with the very questions I asked. The reason why I didn't give a firm opinion is because it could very well have resulted in falsified or no information if I had called DYH scum and then asked him questions about k2hd. Everyone seems to think I've been lurking or something this game as I haven't come out with a big case. The reasons I left said - not only with DYH but I've been probing for relevant info for my cases. . Here are the final voting lists for D1 and D2 and the filters for the players. I will be referencing them rather than quoting to keep my post legible. My case jumpstarts off people's interactions with k2hd, whom I believe is town. Now I'm not going to spend the bulk of the case why I think he is town since that isn't the focus. Finding scum is, and with 4 of them still alive, interactions between players will become stronger and stronger indicators of alignments. That being said, I'm almost certain he is town - look at his recent posts. He has been more open, willing to answer direct questions (look at my filter - my questions basically revolve around k2hd and several times before that I've been poking him to see his responses). He is transparent and eager to share his reads and opinions, and I attribute his early game actions as shyness. With that I've pegged down these two players (I venture the other two amongst ghost, choco, nightfury and test, but haven't had a chance to look into it yet. We need focus anyways, posting full lists is redundant.) Alderan DoYouHas I'll be posting why I think they are mafia first based on their relation with k2hd, then later as individuals. Now open up the D1 and D2 lynch posts, and look for a trend. Where do the votes fall? D1: I've already expressed how I didn't like the igabod switch. on him, k2hd desires a no lynch first, and barring that wants to lynch a lurker (which a unsure newbie town would do). DYH (a more experienced player) hops on and tries to get something started, with his reasoning On February 28 2012 09:47 DoYouHas wrote: We don't know igabod is getting modkilled. There is every chance that he will be replaced. Because of this I still think that he is our best lynch option. I forget who but someone already pointed out how it doesn't make sense to vote like this. Steveling (test's predecessor) also hops on. I am inclined to think this was a potential bandwagon as it didn't seem like Chocolate was getting lynched. D2: Both Alderan and DYH are on k2hd. The gumshoe lynch was set, and yet there was reluctance on both players to lock in the vote. Wishy washy. Now look at their cases against k2hd: On March 02 2012 03:01 Alderan wrote: Now for who we should vote for.... K2hd has still not provided anything of value, under the guise of being a "noob town". Quite frankly I'm sick of responses like this. WE'RE ALL NOOBS.... hence the title of this game. Read filters and make cases. I say from this point forward we stop accepting responses like this. His vote is currently on Ghost_403. His reasons: - He thinks Chocolate is town. - Ghost voted for Chocolate. - Ghost made a slightly suspicious post (a point that I actually brought up initially) - Therefore Ghost is scum. What? It doesn't work like that. ##vote K2hd Totally weak. It is devalues k2hd's posting (so that people are less likely to listen), and sets up a straw man argument, one which k2hd addresses adequately here. His prior post here is also nitpicking through the filter, finding anything and painting it in an unfavorable light - a biased PBPA (which he has done before with Chocolate here.) On March 02 2012 09:16 DoYouHas wrote: Oh crap, I forgot I promised to make that case. ugh.... sorry everyone. I really do see k2hd as a better lynch than gumshoe atm, but as I mentioned before gum is on my list of acceptable lynches for today. The main thing is we don't no-lynch again. I'll try and type up a quick side by side comparison of those two ASAP, but I need to finish the dishes first. On March 02 2012 09:56 DoYouHas wrote: k2hd on the other hand makes a few posts every so often. They do have the sense of being planned and careful. He fits the profile for me of someone who is staying off the radar, while spreading lots of weak suspicion around. I also really don't like how he treated his vote in this post + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2012 21:08 k2hd wrote: Right then. First off, FourFace. His posts sound like a town player who is very enthusiastic about playing things his way, and having fun with his writing style, hence the kooky posting, so I agree that we should take the heat off of him just for now... As for chocolate and ghost, I must say I have my suspicions regarding them as well. I'm not going to quote too much because I think others have done enough of that already while I've been away. Ghost seems VERY insistent on lynching. He's even against using FOS and wants to straight out lynch anyone he considers suspicious, as some have already pointed out. Then, when FourFace places a vote on jekyl just to "pressure" them, ghost posts this: It doesn't really say much about WHY FourFace is doing it wrong, and conveniently places another vote on jekyl. Then, FourFace presents himself as a better, and more possible target for a mislynch. Ghost accuses FourFace of scummy/crazy play, and it seems to me like he is out to get the easy mislynch again. Does he actually just think that FourFace is playing a very weird and seemingly nonsensical style? Maybe, but he has yet to unvote FourFace in the voting thread. Now for chocolate. I don't have as much to go on for chocolate aside from what's already been said, but I think it's interesting that he is voting for FourFace with ghost as well, perhaps hoping to start some sort of bandwagon? This part of his post: I'm going to vote for you for the time being because that was really weird. If you sufficiently explain yourself and start to make sense I will unvote you. Seems like a way of joining ghost in starting the bandwagon, while at the same time giving him the option of pulling out if the bandwagoning fails. I'm just not sure why you would actually put your vote into the voting thread at this stage, instead of just posting the thought and leaving it at that till FourFace actually DID post more so he could decide. To be fair to him though, he (seemingly) hasn't had the chance to read why posters such as alderaan and jekylandhyde don't think FourFace is scum yet. For now, I will remain suspicious of these 2 without voting yet, for reasons that will be explained below. I'm also very curious though to know why everyone is ignoring igabod. Up until now, his contributions have been these 2 posts: All he has done is agree with what has been said so far (without even bothering to put it into his own words, or back his agreement up with his own logic), and since then we have heard nothing from him. Now I should say that this will likely be my last post from now until the voting deadline (the real one) because I have to head off to bed soon for class tomorrow, and will be in uni when the deadline is up. I have pretty much no breaks tomorrow either in between classes. Because of this, I will vote for a no lynch for today only. Since I will be away for so long, I'd rather not vote for a lynch on someone who posts a proper defense when they wake up, or if a better target presents themself and I'm not available to change my vote. Just to confirm, can I ACTUALLY vote for a no lynch, or does that only occur when there is no majority? I will actually probably come online tomorrow during a lecture just to check this post (and change my vote if I have to), wouldn't want to be modkilled for a stupid mistake like this Just fyi, If I cannot vote for a no lynch, I will be voting for igabod no matter what, because I won't have time to go through posts properly in a lecture to consider what everyone has to say. It seems like a safe enough option for now because I am sure I will not get a majority on him anyway at this stage, so this vote shouldn't have an effect on tomorrow's lynch. I'll be able to post more as I have Wednesday and Thursday off (GMT +11). ##vote: no lynch On March 03 2012 04:10 DoYouHas wrote: No I didn't think k2hd was a better choice solely based on comparison to gumshoe. He was someone that I found suspicious when I was making my case against NightFury because he met many of the scum standards I was using to accuse NightFury. I do think he is a good suspect for tomorrow. He points a finger at k2hd (right after his case against nightfury) citing that his reasons are similar, forgets to post his case until I bring it up, assumes k2hd is mafia because he isn't acting like he himself would (note that this is after rescinding his case on nightfury, built on many of the similar prefaces), and ends by saying that k2hd is a good suspect for tomorrow without any further reads. Alderan Most of my N1, D2 was spent pressuring Alderan. He is very defensive when I keep up the pressure. I note that I kept my suspicion on him because he didn't respond to Hyde's case, and he gets really defensive. On March 02 2012 02:50 Alderan wrote: Then you had this post: What in the hell does that even mean? Again you continue to try to discredit my name, my cases, and my contributions for seemingly no reason. You already admit that you don't find me as suspicious as you originally did with your first case, so why the blatant cut down. On March 02 2012 03:11 Alderan wrote: Hyde's case COMPLETELY revolved around me "dropping cases" which was clearly not the situation. I made two cases during the night period. That's it. Please look objectively? "we can't really bank on Alderan and k2hd posting satisfactorily".... There is only one way to take this sentence, regardless of the fluff you just posted above. I understand we need more contributions, and we need to come to a come to consensus which is why I'm dropping this fight with you. Your vote is on gumshoe, would you consider switching it to k2hd? Note that hypocritical backlash - he calls my post fluff while accusing me of trying to discredit him. So I leave him alone to see what he does with his free time (not spend defending himself from me). And the answer to that is nothing. After I drop my pressure he posts a few one liners. He ignores another one of Hyde's posts. I can't really give you guys anything more, since he just doesn't have content in his filter to work with. It is just enough to skate by without people giving attention to him. DoYouHas I'll just list things that add up to build up my read, as posting quotes is too messy and difficult to read. You can read his filter alongside as this is loosely chronological. - Voting patterns. I pointed it out above in his relation with k2hd. - His instantaneous drop of his NightFury case, only to pick it up on k2hd with the same reasoning. - Weird vote switch from k2hd to nttea and back - Flip flopping on gumshoe - Using "you voted gumshoe" as considerable reason for suspicion - Jumping straight for a nttea lynch, and not providing much anything else when probed for information It's hard to point out "scummy" posts because all his reads and stances are weak, unsure and flip flopping. He doesn't push or pressure for anything, and the only people he has gone after this game are easy to pick on players (Fourface, k2hd and nttea). Finally, add in the weird interactions between DYH and Alderan where there is sheeping and soft defending, asking each other easy-to-respond-to clarification questions, establishing "interactions" so if one flips the other isn't suspected due to them being missing from filters or whatnot. Conclusion: k2hd is town Alderan is mafia DoYouHas is mafia. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
Catching up on le thread. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
To respond to k2hd's comment about my Alderan post, I was going to build a case against him based on him flipping his position several times during day 1. After rereading his filter, I realized that he was consistent in his posting, leaving me with no case against him at the time. But! Now is no longer then, and now I have another chance to look through his postings. His steady decline in posting as of late is fishy for sure. I'll chime in on that in a bit. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On March 03 2012 09:34 NightFury wrote: Okay, I'm back. I would like to present my case against ghost_403. The primary basis for my case is that he a) speaks with a voice of authority and confidence in uncertain circumstances, b) tries to obtain information from townies that is beneficial to the mafia and c) some other miscellaneous things I found. Part A: Authority and Confidence in Uncertain Circumstances. Remind me, why is confidence a bad thing as townie? Should not every townie be confident, as he has no reason to hide anything and is just trying to do his best? That does not mean that mafia can't be confident too, but saying that a townie should NOT be confident is a strange understanding of the game mechanics. On March 03 2012 09:34 NightFury wrote: Part B: Acquiring Information only useful to Mafia. This post had me extremely confused. And now that gumshoe has flipped green, it might be making some more sense now. Ghost was trying to see if there was a vigilante How? Please explain me how you can find out with such a question if there is a vigilante? I always thought that I am good logical thinking, but I can't find a good reason why this shows that there is a vigilante. On March 03 2012 09:34 NightFury wrote: I actually think gumshoe's answer was valid. Why would he just want to feed potentially useful information to the mafia? Given the circumstances, gumshoe was 100% entitled to his opinion and ghost just wasn't happy that he didn't get the answer he wanted. Why do you think that gumshoe's answer is valid? What potential useful information could gumshoe give away at that moment? (speak hypothetically, if you think it might give away something for mafia) | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On March 03 2012 05:11 Chocolate wrote: Says I disappeared, which is understandable because I did due to my schedule. Dear chocolate, in case it did not dawn on you so far: The reason why I wrote this was also (not only) because you voted for me about 17 hours after the game started. When I wrote the above sentence you were gone for over 21 hour. So after your own standards, you were a lurker, and needed to be pressured. But don't jump to false conclusions. That's not why I think you're scum. On March 03 2012 05:11 Chocolate wrote: 19. Still going after me. 1 isn't even a point for why I'm mafia. 20. 1 says he doesn't want to lynch lurkers, his opinion. He is trying to force his opinion on doyouhas though, not a good way to deduce scum Believe it or not, not everything in my posts is written to find scum. Sometimes I just try to show people that I think their way is bad for town. On March 03 2012 05:11 Chocolate wrote: Most of my suspcion of him is how little he has brought to the table, especially on d1. He hasn't done any pbpa and as far as I can tell hasn't started suspicion on anyone either. I was suspicious of gumshoe before the train started roling. + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2012 21:35 phagga wrote: You did not unvote him, you only faked it. In the voting thread, your vote stayed on ghost_403. Why? Why do you want to take responsibility for it? On February 29 2012 00:53 phagga wrote: It just came out of nothing. You mentioned Chocolate a few times, but failed to vote on him. You barely pushed him. I tried to push Chocolate the whole day, so why not make me responsible if he would flip green? Or what about Alderaan, who made the first case on Chocolate? Also, if a majority of people is voting Chocolate, everyone has some responsibility in it. Why would town want to single out a person only because of that one vote and make him/her responsible for a mislynch? That does not make any sense, sometimes townies get lynched because wrong decisions are made. But then you don't go and point finger at single person, instead you start analyzing who voted for that townie when and for what reason. Claiming responsibility before the lynch has even happened and before it is clear if it is a myslynch or not is utterly pointless. Unless you want to put focus on how you are helpful and care about town. But a townie normally does not have to do that. uh, Marry me? (I am not sure which word you mean. If you mean mafia, why not just write it? It's not like you're reading the insignia of The One Ring and Sauron can hear you.) you completely ignored this in your case. Also, I write that I am suspicious of Alderan, which you also ignored in your case. And about generating content: My questions to DYH led to content that other later used to build a case vs him. Creating content does not only happen by writing cases. On March 03 2012 05:11 Chocolate wrote: I want to see a pbpa from him soon. somehow I don't feel obliged to obey you. Oh, and where is your pbpa, anyway? I'm ignoring the rest of your so called case, because it is more of a documentary anway. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On March 04 2012 06:24 NightFury wrote: Small preamble to start off with. I know I said I’d be sharing my thoughts on k2hd previously and I also noticed ghost’s reply to my case. However, when going over k2hd and the game as a whole, I noticed something completely different. I haven’t forgotten the other things I need to do, but I feel this is an important issue. There has been one theme this entire game: Produce Content. Since the very beginning of the game, this theme has been on everyone’s minds. Of course, producing content is essential or else there’d be nothing. However, everyone’s been obsessed with the theme and I believe it is extremely detrimental. We have people who berate others for not producing original content and using that as basis for their cases. We also have people who are trying to produce content but may not be completely successful in the endeavour. We have people who belong to both groups and other sorts of categories. If anyone takes a look at the entire thread I’m sure they’d agree that town is in a huge mess right now. I don’t think this mess is even the mafia’s doing. It has become this way due to the fixation on producing content. We are less than 30 hours away from the next lynch and things are going nowhere. What we need is some form of direction that can reorganize town (I am completely open to suggestions and trying to think of something). In response to this huge mess, the mafia have been able to hide away in general. But I am willing to claim that the mafia aren’t really hiding out of sight. They’re amongst the people who are trying to force content out of people just for the sake of content. It sets up easy targets and given the mentality of the entire thread, it will draw attention to low producers and away from themselves. We are probably at the most critical part of the game thus far. How the next lynch and night goes will probably set the tone for the rest of the game. The way things are going right now are not good and we need to rally to produce content that is actually productive and not just for the sake of making a post. I agree with that. It does not help town if everyone starts throwing cases willy-nilly. You do not only generate content by writing cases, so don't overdo it. I can barely keep my eyes open, I'm off to bed. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
I don't like the fact that he posted that list of how scummy he finds everyone without presenting anything alongside his list. Even a "I think this person is most scummy because I saw him eat a puppy" would have been better than that. @test You seen pretty sure that DYH is scum. Tell me why. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
Alderan, on the other hand, has been acting scummy and is here to defend himself. He suffered a rather steep drop off in posts as of late with no explanation. In addition, he voted nttea during night 2, and hasn't been seen since. - You say I'm just defending myself and that's where I'm generating content. If I'm correct I have posted more player analysis than anyone in this thread. Just because they are not "Super long, one post a day posts" (that I did last game when I was scum; that you are doing now) doesn't mean I'm not generating content. And that kind of thing rubs me the wrong way, but that's a poor reason for me to vote against someone. @Alderan - Make good on your quote, and tell me who I should be trying to lynch. | ||
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). I'll respond to his case in another post.
