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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On March 03 2012 05:11 Chocolate wrote: Here's the case on phagga. This won't be as good to you all unless I die because a large portion of this is because he was pushing me. Won't link/quote because i'm too lazy, will use number of his posts since he has 2 pages. Not everything is bad. 4. Suspicious of fourface. Thinks he is bad town. 5. starts on me. Dislikes what I'm doing because in #2 he was against lynching lurkers. Thinks me throwing votes around is suspicious and an attempt to get an early bandwagon rolling. 6. wishy washy on fourface, ghost, and igabod. I am the most suspicious for going after easy targets. If he believes I could get a random bandwagon going on a lurker then he is just naive. The only actual target I have gone after is fourface. 7. Doesn't want to vote fourface, suspicious of ghost. Says I disappeared, which is understandable because I did due to my schedule. This is all completely understandable up till now except maybe his position on ghost. He leaves him open to lynch (I don't think I want him lynched) but says he is toxic. The posts between 6-7 by ghost include - telling 4 face not to edit - saying we should lynch someone, preferably scum but otherwise a lurker - what time he'll be on - just got home from work. I think this is pretty suspicious. I want to do a case on ghost before the night is over too. 9. Keeps his vote on me after I made my defense. I can kinda understand this because he said he wanted a lynch no matter what on day1. 19. Still going after me. 1 isn't even a point for why I'm mafia. 2 isn't valid because fourface wasn't making substantial posts like I wanted him to. 3 is a good point but I've since remedied that. 4 is the same. 5 is good but I was afraid to lynch ghost because I thought he was green due to the wifom argument, leaving me only lurkers to lynch. I've expanded my suspicious arsenal since then, however. 20. 1 says he doesn't want to lynch lurkers, his opinion. He is trying to force his opinion on doyouhas though, not a good way to deduce scum. 2 says what I just said 21-23 completely misunderstood at first. they're fine 24. completely agree 25. see above 26. votes on me again. doesn't buy my arguments. 27. agree, 2 is wifom though 28. disagrees with me 29. says I am suspicious without reasoning, presumably doesn't buy any of my defense posts. 30. votes on gumshoe 32. goes to bed 33. completely agree Most of my suspcion of him is how little he has brought to the table, especially on d1. He hasn't done any pbpa and as far as I can tell hasn't started suspicion on anyone either. He His votes come at good times for pressure but also seem to be bandwagon-ish. I want him to contribute more. Finally, he has lynched gumshoe, town, and pushed very hard on me. He goes after each of us right after we become candidates. I want to see a pbpa from him soon. Congratulations, you successfully summarised several of my posts with barely any comment. I will answer to it tommorow in more detail, should I still be alive. My wife and kids are sick, which means I barely got any time atm, so dont expect too much from me for the next 24 hours. | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
 . Going to be gone for most of the remaining time of the night. Look forward to more contributions phagga in the near future. | ||
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NightFury
Canada114 Posts
The primary basis for my case is that he a) speaks with a voice of authority and confidence in uncertain circumstances, b) tries to obtain information from townies that is beneficial to the mafia and c) some other miscellaneous things I found. Part A: Authority and Confidence in Uncertain Circumstances. On February 28 2012 11:03 ghost_403 wrote: Other option: You lynch either me or chocolate. I think it's pretty well established, one of the two of us is scum. If whoever gets lynched flips red, awesome! Lynched a scum! If not, guess who the first person on the chopping block is tomorrow. The guy who wasn't lynched. Either way, going into day 3, the town is down one scum. Pretty well established that himself or Chocolate is scum. What is this supposed to mean? If ghost is green, then he would not know Chocolate's alignment despite the case on him in Day 1. If ghost is red, then his statement would be true. Now he could just be pushing Chocolate very hard at this moment and on its own may not be too much evidence. On February 28 2012 11:36 ghost_403 wrote: If I remember correctly, all of the people that you have listed in that post had reasons that they voted for you. None of those reasons included "I am 100% sure of this persons alignment." If you think that they had bad reasons for voting for you, go back and point them out. I believe this is in response to Chocolate mentioning how we'd get info off of the people who voted for him. I do recall ghost being the only one with 100% certainty of someone's alignment (that he or Chocolate was red). More confidence. On March 02 2012 08:55 ghost_403 wrote: Yeah, we're lynching gumshoe. I'll post my reasoning in just a sec. This was in response to Alderan asking if gumshoe was the only viable lynch on Day 2. This confidence is completely unfounded. At the time of posting, gumshoe only had 4 (5 including ghost) votes on him. How he could be so certain? That there were enough town votes on gumshoe that the mafia could send other votes over if needed or that they believed more town would just pile on naturally. On March 02 2012 10:04 ghost_403 wrote: Behind you 100%, and he's tomorrow's lynch. On March 02 2012 10:07 ghost_403 wrote: Don't worry, DYH. It will. Just not right now. Here's that confidence again... On March 03 2012 01:31 ghost_403 wrote: I agree with zelblade, a nttea lynch is not optimal town play. If nttea had ninja voted for gumshoe, I would be calling for his lynch right now. But he didn't; he threw it on a random player. As far as I can see, his vote had no benefit for the scum, without going into full WIFOM mode. @k2hd Sorry I missed your post against me, I will address it when I get home. On March 03 2012 02:14 ghost_403 wrote: @zelblade My earlier post on the matter was more of a gut reaction to what he had done. Given some time to think about it, it doesn't make any sense for scum to play that way. Without any other lynch candidates, I would probably vote to lynch nttea, but I think that focusing on him as our only candidate right now is bad play. As far as who I would like to lynch, I would like to take a look at DoYouHas (as you stated) and Chocolate. Both of them were giving off some bad vibes yesterday, which I pointed out here. I'll formalize my thoughts and opinions later. ... And then immediately backs off when it gets called out as bad play for town. Not sure if worth noting, but deflects his change in stance by wanting to look at something different. Part B: Acquiring Information only useful to Mafia. On March 02 2012 08:24 ghost_403 wrote: Okay gumshoe, got a question for you. Let's pretend for a moment that you are a vigilante. It's the end of night 2, and you just know that you are gonna die. Mafia figured it out, and you're as good as dead. You have one shot. Who do you shoot? Hard mode: nttea and test are not valid responses. This post had me extremely confused. And now that gumshoe has flipped green, it might be making some more sense now. Ghost was trying to see if there was a vigilante - who would he go after and would it be a concern to any of his fellow mafia. But why would a townie worry about a vigilante? Nobody knows if one is even in this game. And why give him the hard mode? I think he's just trying to gather real information in case gumshoe goes with a lurker-out to the question. And then he posts this to supplement his vote against gumshoe... On March 02 2012 09:14 ghost_403 wrote: That's when I asked him this. + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2012 08:24 ghost_403 wrote: Okay gumshoe, got a question for you. Let's pretend for a moment that you are a vigilante. It's the end of night 2, and you just know that you are gonna die. Mafia figured it out, and you're as good as dead. You have one shot. Who do you shoot? Hard mode: nttea and test are not valid responses. His response? This response of his is based on nothing. Since the end of night 1, he has barely mentioned either of these players. There's no reason for this. I asked why. In his post, he has mostly personal reasons (sorry gumshoe  ). I'll respond to his case in another post.Combine the fact that he dug himself into a hole yesterday, only wants to lynch people who aren't around to defend themselves, and the fact that when pressed he can't provide a proper opinion on a single scummy player in the game, and I you have a good enough reason for me to do the following. ##vote gumshoe Aside: nttea, if you don't tell me why you voted, I'm lynching you tomorrow. I actually think gumshoe's answer was valid. Why would he just want to feed potentially useful information to the mafia? Given the circumstances, gumshoe was 100% entitled to his opinion and ghost just wasn't happy that he didn't get the answer he wanted. Part C: Miscellaneous: - He has maintained his aggressive lynch stance from the beginning of the game. He jumps on people very quickly without second though. Like how he jumped on nttea (who has been lurking very hard) without second thought until someone else explains how it may be sub-optimal for town. He was ready to go after Alderan earlier on but then withdrew his statement when he couldn't make a case. As a whole, his mentality remains anti-town in addition to the other issues I mentioned above. - At the beginning, he said this: On February 28 2012 07:31 ghost_403 wrote: Just as an aside, did you know that out of the 14 people playing this game, only 4 of them agreed to a no-lynch on day 1? I don't know what to make of this really. But I think it's possible that he was trying to bait others into following this line of thought if it would be misleading. So to summarize: I feel ghost is very suspicious right now. His confidence in how certain topics are proceeding make me believe that he has the back-up available to make things go that way. He tried to gather information from a now confirmed townie that only benefits the mafia. His overall mentality and play has in general been anti-town. ##FoS: ghost_403 | ||
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NightFury
Canada114 Posts
On March 02 2012 15:34 slOosh wrote: What do you think of the k2hd cases and k2hd himself? You said leaning scum last time someone asked you - has that changed over the course of this last day? Alright, so I just wanted to keep this part separate from my case against ghost. Since my opinion of k2hd was posted and leaning on scum, he has participated quite a bit more. At first glance (a more initial read) he is now leaning more away from my scummy read before. However, I haven't gone through all his posts in detail yet so this is not a formalized opinion yet. I will be reviewing his posts and hopefully be able to comment on them later on. I am a little bit busy tonight - so if not by tonight then tomorrow afternoon. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
A) More or less, you nailed it. I don't see anything wrong with that. B) That's just wrong. C) I stand by what I said. To expand on that. A) Authoritative and confident Confident? Absolutely. I believe that any other posture weakens my position. How many people are going to follow my lead if I come out saying "Well, this might be right, but I might be wrong..." No one. No one is going to listen to me. That's why instead I am confident. I believe the things that I say, and I am going to stick to them. When I am wrong, I will admit it and go to the proper position. If you'd like, I would be more than happy to reference a few of my posts where I admit that I am wrong and correct myself. If you think I'm wrong, I expect you to point it out, then I will respond as appropriate. Authoritative? That's a stretch. Best of my knowledge, I have never in this game (or in my previous) told anyone how to vote. The two quotes that you mention here are simply extensions of my confidence. ... And then immediately backs off when it gets called out as bad play for town. Not sure if worth noting, but deflects his change in stance by wanting to look at something different. As far as this specific quote in concerned, I wrote that as a response to zelblade's specific question. If he hadn't asked for who I would like to lynch, I would have left that out. I was actually looking forward to explaining my reasoning behind my change in position on the nttea lynch. B) Acquiring information This section is just plain wrong. I posed this question specifically as a thought question for gumshoe. Before this point, his only lynch suggestions had been lurkers. I wanted to force him into thinking hard about who he wanted to lynch, without being able to hide behind the town. You ask someone who they want to lynch, they start considering the prevailing opinions of the town, and include feasibility in their argument. You ask someone to pretend to be a vigilante, and all they have to do is prove it to themselves. I wanted gumshoe to prove to me that he was critically analyzing this game, which he wasn't. If you believe that gumshoe's answer was good, that's fine. I didn't, and that's why I voted to lynch him yesterday. Why would he just want to feed potentially useful information to the mafia? Not sure if that's directed at me or not. If it is, I'm more than happy to discuss my views on zelblade telling us that he was roleblocked. C) Miscellaneous - I am aggressive. I will admit when I am wrong. I've done this three times in this game already. I don't see how that's a problem or anti-town. Passive towns lose at mafia. - I still hold that the no lynch on Day 1 was a bad idea. On the off chance that Chocolate was lynched and was scum, I was going to use that particular piece of information to pursue further lynches. FYI, Janaan was one of the ones who was onboard with the no lynch idea. | ||
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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
On March 02 2012 15:34 slOosh wrote: + Show Spoiler + TestSubject893: On March 02 2012 06:41 TestSubject893 wrote: Show nested quote + First of all, calling be the game's biggest lurker is blatantly untrue. nttea has only 3 posts, and has not posted reads, which I have. When you consider the amount of time I've been in the game (missing the first 60 or so hours), my posts per play time is comparable to JekyllAndHyde, phagga, NightFury, slOosh and k2hd. Concerning my statements about my inexperience: I legitimately believe that I am the newbiest player in this game. I have never played online before, which seemingly most other players have, and the "meta-game" of the people I've played live with before seems entirely different than it is in this game, almost certainly because of the increased length of days and nights. I've been having a really hard time analyzing any of this, because all of the things I knew before and I thought might apply to this game do not. I added those statements in hope that if I was do something wrong, people would correct and help me. Naturally, my difficulty analyzing the game has led me to not be able to come to many strong conclusions. Additionally, my joining the game late led to much of what I had to say already being said, as much of my time was spend on earlier content that had already been discussed. Concerning my vote today: Like I stated earlier, my early instinct was to vote for gumshoe, and despite good reasons brought up since then to vote for k2hd, gumshoe's lack of defense for his apparent blue-fishing have caused my opinion to stay the same. Additionally, although I had already made up my mind, his "analysis" of me began with false claims and harshly negative tone that were seemingly only an attempt to unfairly defame me. What is your stance on k2hd? You said that gumshoe was a better lynch choice based on his actions. How strong is your k2hd read and why? My read on k2hd is not very strong, and that was my main reason to vote for gumshoe instead. Gumshoe's played seemed blatantly scummy, and in retrospect, was probably intentionally so since he no longer wanted to play. Come to think of it actually, my read on k2hd is actually pretty neutral, although that's definitely up to change if I hear more from him. The cases made for voting for him were pretty decent, but his posts since have put me back toward neutral on him. | ||
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k2hd
Cayman Islands78 Posts
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JekyllAndHyde
42 Posts
Scum: DoYouHas k2hd slOosh Alderan /Jekyll | ||
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dreamflower
United States312 Posts
![[image loading]](http://bagofgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/jp_screen.jpg) Start of Day 3 Ever since the news that the ship was infested with shape-shifting changelings that could mimic human form, paranoia ran high on the Liquidia. Everyone was on the alert for even the slightest suspicious slip-up from a fellow crew-mate, and none dared to trust anyone unconditionally. The captain even gave orders to establish improvised testing stations throughout the ship where someone could be "tested" to see if they were human or changeling, using infrared scanners, X-rays, and even blood samples. Various crew members were posted at each testing station, some of them more dubious than others about the actual merit and effectiveness of these stations in ferreting out the murderous changelings. One such crew member, nttea, was nodding off at his post, having just finished an exhausting double shift in sickbay before being assigned to manage the testing station at the entrance to Cargo Bay 5. Suddenly, the cargo bay doors opened and someone passed through the jury-rigged testing station, causing several red lights to flash and an alarm to start beeping loudly. The person who'd set off the alarms froze in surprise. Rousing himself from sleepiness, nttea hastily checked the scans and gasped in horror when he realized the person who'd just gone through the testing station and entered the cargo bay was most definitely not human. He scrambled to call for back-up on his communicator and reached for his phaser pistol, leveling it with trembling fingers at the changeling he had just discovered. Realizing his cover had been blown, the changeling shimmered in a flash of light from his ordinary-looking humanoid form into a much more terrifying shape. To humans, it would have resembled a dinosaur, but in fact it was the shape of a ferocious and powerful species common on the planet Veritus, an apex predator that even the changelings feared. In its new fearsome form, the changeling extended its massive head and ripped nttea apart with its vicious needle-fanged mouth. As back-up arrived, though, the changeling felt his new form growing unstable and realized with regret that he couldn't maintain the massive, ungainly shape long enough to fight off more officers. Liquefying back into its usual gelatinous form, the changeling sank into the floor and poured through a crack just as the cargo bay doors opened and the security officers discovered the horribly shredded corpse of nttea beside his station. nttea the medic is dead. It is now Day 3. You have 48 hours to vote on whom to lynch. The voting deadline is on Monday, Mar 05 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00). Please don't forget to post your votes in the voting thread as well as in here. | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
 wonder why on earth scum would kill me though i will continue to read on i hope someone can explain to me! | ||
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JekyllAndHyde
42 Posts
This is going to make things harder, we certainly cannot afford any mislynches that can be avoided considering scum night-kills will most likely always go through now. Gg nttea, we will avenge you! | ||
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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
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k2hd
Cayman Islands78 Posts
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
I need to go out for quite a while so I'll respond to dyh among other things. Got roleblocked again btw. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
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k2hd
Cayman Islands78 Posts
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k2hd
Cayman Islands78 Posts
On March 01 2012 05:49 TestSubject893 wrote: I'm back from class, but I've got a lot of work to get done tonight, so I don't know how active I'll be able to be. Hopefully this shouldn't matter as we have the entirety of the day tomorrow to decide who to lynch. With that said, after having the day to think, I've concluded gumshoe's badgering of zelblade was terribly suspicious and until I'm convinced that someone else is scummier than that, you can pencil me in as voting for a gumshoe lynch. Oh, and I should mention that I think his whole "I'm bored" thing is not really worth worrying about. It could be that he's a mafia who realizes he's dug himself in a hole and doesn't want to play it out, or that he's just a townie who is legitimately bored. We have no way of knowing, so it does not effect my opinion of his alignment. A number other first time players in this game (including myself) have already been called out for playing like this earlier, and have attempted to contribute more. I think it is your turn to do so now. Ghost, I have another question for you. You claim in this post here: + Show Spoiler + On March 01 2012 07:44 ghost_403 wrote: Let's take but a moment to examine our dear friend Chocolate. My problem with him, in addition to the things that I brought up on Day 1, is that he brings nothing new to the game. He is the perfect example of a scummy lurker. His goal is to post enough in the thread to make himself look townie while providing nothing of value. Let's take a look at a couple of the posts that he's made. (Fun fact: these are in fact ALL of his posts since Night 1.) Can't figure out who he's talking to in this post. He basically says here that he doesn't like the people that voted to lynch him. Responds to me with a contentless post. Useless. TL;DR - I agree with Alderan, begin wishy-washy is bad, Steveling was a better lynch than Igabod (which Alderan already stated here). Next post, he defends himself from Phagga. Posts some thoughts, nothing profound. We have to note here that the only reason he did this was that he was provoked. Next three posts say nothing. Responds to pressure, nothing new. My favorite post. Yells at nttea for posting without saying anything. LOL. Tells us that the guy who thought about getting modkilled is kinda fishy. Profound thought here. Take a minute to go back and read through his filter. All of his posts thus far have been either, A) agreeing with other players, B) finding lurkers scummy, or C) defending himself. Chocolate has not brought anything new to this thread, and is therefore, a scummy lurker. That chocolate's posts consist of unoriginal content (he has since posted some original content), agreeing with others and defending himself. You take the time to make that large post, but don't bother taking the time to post even 1 or 2 points about testsubject, who has skated by (even after taking into account his shorter time here) even more than chocolate? Your only post addressing testsubject is this one: On March 02 2012 08:10 ghost_403 wrote: To clarify, nttea hasn't posted anything in two days. test has posted some. I don't think he's lurking, but I haven't looked too hard at him (yet). Is it going to end up something like this instead? On March 01 2012 07:44 ghost_403 wrote: Lest I be accused of tunneling, next one's for Alderan. On March 01 2012 08:25 ghost_403 wrote: Nevermind, I don't have enough to post on Alderan at the moment. My bad! After my fourth reading, it seems that you are most consistent than I previously believed. | ||
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