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Did unvote ghost >_< Mustafa not shown up, I was leaning ghost so that I could see if sloosh was suspicious, but chocolate seemed like he was the only one who has going to get lynched and I hate no lynches(unless it is analytically the best move) as I said before there is no reason a healthy town should ever no lynch. I stand by that.
Well not only did your unvote not show up, I also don't see where you placed your actual vote. It is still under ghost in the voting thread. So I take it you're saying you meant to vote for chocolate?
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This is not enough for me to lynch you personally. It's just something that phagga brought up that I didn't catch, and I wanted to hear what you had to say. I really don't have much of a scum read on you at all.
BassInSpace
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Oh wait, you were using the FourFace sign off, haha.
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Off to bed now, looking forward to all your posts.
BassInSpace
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Alderan
You argue that I did not bring up anything new in my post, when I clearly bring JekyllAndHyde up in this part of my post, and want to hear more from them because I suspect they are just stalling the town.
I'd also like to read more from jekylandhyde, who hasn't really taken a firm stance on anyone. So far he's put what he called a "placeholder vote" on Chocolate, which he changed to another placeholder vote on DoYouHas. He didn't REALLY want to vote chocolate, he didn't REALLY want to vote DoYouHas, and he didn't want to vote igabod because replacements were coming in, so that he could pressure them. This is while he has had access to the thread more than me. It seems like he may be stalling if you ask me.
Until they post their reads on everyone like they have said they are going to, I will remain suspicious of them.
As for voting for igabod, I wasn't saying I did anything special. I was just reminding people that I was the first to vote him, and not simply jumping on a bandwagon to save chocolate; who is still potential scum. I was not trying to make my actions look any more meaningful than that. I already stated my reasons for voting igabod, so I will not repeat them here. You accuse me of taking a middle of the road stance, after I have already explained why I voted igabod. Also, why are you singling me out for wanting to vote for a no lynch? I stated from the very beginning that I did not think no lynches were a bad thing if I did not think there was enough information (which, at the time I was available to post, was the case). JekyllAndHyde has essentially done the same thing by voting for DoYouHas.
You also wonder why I suspected ghost for reasons everyone had cleared him for. However, the heat was still on ghost to defend at the time I made that post. He hadn't addressed all the FOS claims against him yet, and as such, wasn't "cleared" yet. I did say I wouldn't be available for an extended amount of time after that post of mine.
Now for this:
Opening sentence of your second meaningful post is "Now for those who are starting to suspect me." What a bizzarre way to start a post, I've never heard a towny be worried about being "suspected"
Why on earth does that make you suspect me more? I don't see how that shows that I am "worried" about being suspected. There were a few who were starting to get suspicious of me, and I was addressing them, simple as that. How is this bizarre? This is your weakest point on me.
I will admit, however, that you reasoning for exempting janaan makes sense. Night is coming very soon, and I will wait until then to post the rest of my thoughts.
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EBWOP
Now for this:
Opening sentence of your second meaningful post is "Now for those who are starting to suspect me." What a bizzarre way to start a post, I've never heard a towny be worried about being "suspected"
Why on earth does that make you suspect me more? I don't see how that shows that I am "worried" about being suspected. There were a few who were starting to get suspicious of me, and I was addressing them, simple as that. How is this bizarre? This is your weakest point on me.
Forgot to add that this makes you seem like you are grabbing at straws, while trying to find another lynch target.
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EBWOP
Sorry, formatting mistake.
Now for this: + Show Spoiler +Opening sentence of your second meaningful post is "Now for those who are starting to suspect me." What a bizzarre way to start a post, I've never heard a towny be worried about being "suspected" Why on earth does that make you suspect me more? I don't see how that shows that I am "worried" about being suspected. There were a few who were starting to get suspicious of me, and I was addressing them, simple as that. How is this bizarre? This is your weakest point on me.
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TestSubject and alderan had begun pressuring him
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As for why janaan, there is the possibility that he was killed because alderan started pressuring him, and if he was scum, the kill would make alderan look more innocent. Why kill janaan if testsubject and alderan had started making cases on him, wouldn't it be better for scum to leave him alive to absorb some pressure? Alternatively it could just be a scum ploy to heap more pressure on an already suspicious alderan.
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I don't think it's wise to claim blue at this stage of the game zelblade.
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Ohhh right, no I think you're correct test, just because he got roleblocked doesn't mean he's blue. Well at least we know now that there's a roleblocker. I don't see why zelblade would lie about it, and he is also taking over fourface's part in the game.
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I'm not claiming blue ffs
We misunderstood the rules, calm down.
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Sloosh, I wanted to ask you about this part of your case against alderan
Summary: Alderan has shown a great bias against Chocolate. He tries to focus people on him (such as Janaan when he posted about ghost) but is perfectly willing to drop it when DYH comes in to call out what is going on. Even so he picks it back up and tries to get people to look at it, and then tries to get something on Steveling started on the sole basis that he is involved with Chocolate.
Conclusion: It could be a case of serious tunneling (which I doubt as he seemingly listened to DYH), but I find it more likely that he is casting confusion amongst town by setting up multiple suspects without good reason or case.
It does seem, as you say, that alderan is focusing hard on chocolate, but is he really trying to set up multiple targets? From what I can tell, at the point you made that post, he was only setting up chocolate and steveling to be scrutinised, and dropped his case against ghost. I think it's becoming more and more likely that chocolate is town, so if alderan were scum, why waste his vote on steveling, who he knew was not going to attract enough votes for a lynch?
And nttea, you haven't contributed to the thread yet and you are already advocating a default alderan lynch if there is no new info? It is only the start of day 2, there is plenty of time for more info to come out.
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For any who are awake, I will be posting my case in about 2 hours. I've been taking my time collecting my thoughts and going through filters, to build these cases, but have to go to dinner now.
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I believe that chocolate is town.
He's had a LOT of pressure put on him due to his sub-par posting on day 1, and had to defend himself left, right and centre for the rest of day 1. He's spent most of his time on defensive posts, and perhaps hasn't been able to focus on gathering much of his own evidence on other players. He is very aggressive in trying to force lurkers to post more by voting, but as was mentioned by DYH, this could just have been a poorly thought out way of fostering discussion. I understand that it may have been an easy way to avoid generating original content/cases of his own, but again, this is probably just the play style of a townie who is unsure of what to do, or who would rather not stick his head out too much. I did not check up on everyone's previous games, but from what I gather from what others have said, chocolate was mafia in his last game, had to tone down his posting because it was too aggressive, and hasn't played town before (unless he's had another game that I don't know about).
There is also this post by chocolate:
On February 28 2012 11:26 Chocolate wrote:
You do realize that is basically a vote swing, which you state is bad? Stand by your words. If I get lynched we will get good info on alderan, gum, dyh, sloosh, Phagga, and night.
Why would he argue so confidently against a vote swing AWAY from him?
Chocolate is also one of the first to start getting suspicious of alderan. After day 1, some of the heat was finally lifted off of him and focused on alderan by others. Following this, we have sloosh post a large case against alderan, followed by JekylAndHyde's case, and alderan is under more and more pressure. Instead of continuing his case against alderan, chocolate decides to launch a case against night fury of all people, who no one had posted any suspicions against yet. If he were mafia, why would he not join others in pressuring alderan (or the case that is piling up against gumshoe), and go for a target who would be harder to mislynch? I sincerely believe chocolate is town, and that some of those pressuring him hard are looking scummy to me.
Those who voted chocolate on day 1: phagga, sloosh, NightFury, ghost
I currently do not have as much info as I'd like on NightFury to say much about him.
Sloosh's actions seem pro-town to me so far, and though he has not posted as much as others, his posts have generally been full of content.
Now for the remaining two:
Phagga has been trying very hard for a chocolate lynch the whole game. He takes a moment to call gumshoe out on why he didn't change his vote from ghost, and why he felt the need to "take responsibility" for voting chocolate if he flipped green, and then goes straight back to attacking chocolate. He is either getting tunnel vision with chocolate, or trying to get the mislynch on him. Have a look at this post. He accuses chocolate of relying on the arguments of others, and voting lurkers (a policy which he did state at the start), but ignores the fact that it is chocolate who first brought up a case against alderan (albeit a rather lackluster one) and states emphatically that he will vote chocolate again on day 2, presumably for not coming up with original cases/evidence, when there was still 48 irl hours for chocolate to contribute on day 2 (day 1 had not even ended yet). This early vote behaviour was the same thing we called nttea out for when he wanted a default alderan lynch.
Then we have ghost. His last few posts have all been aimed at chocolate. here they are
Ghost and phagga engage in banter that seems like bullying chocolate to me in the first post, and the second post is unnecessary, because although chocolate did not do anything like make a new case, it was still a valid point. Nttea should not be posting like that, and if he is as clueless as he says he is, chocolate was only helping him. The way he analyses the chocolate quotes in the third post is very condescending in tone. He could have done so without putting chocolate down, as others in the thread have done.
I also do not trust this post made by ghost:
On February 28 2012 11:03 ghost_403 wrote:
You see, this is how I see it.
We could vote to lynch Igabod. That's not even really a bad idea. He's been lurking hardcore. Kinda scummy if you ask me. And I don't like scummy. However, his flip doesn't tell us anything. Maybe, we'll get lucky and lynch a scum. Odds are about, what, 28%? You can do worse than that.
Other option: You lynch either me or chocolate. I think it's pretty well established, one of the two of us is scum. If whoever gets lynched flips red, awesome! Lynched a scum! If not, guess who the first person on the chopping block is tomorrow. The guy who wasn't lynched. Either way, going into day 3, the town is down one scum.
Trying to gain the trust of the town by encouraging a chocolate or ghost lynch on day 1. If chocolate flipped green, suspicion may still have fallen off of ghost because mafia would presumably not make a post like this. I realise that this point is a bit WIFOM (I think I'm using the term correctly?).
Basically, it seems to me that phagga and ghost are actively trying to discredit chocolate after his already shaky start, and possibly also get the mislynch on him.
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Sloosh, I was never more than mildly suspicious of alderan. I did make some points against him, but note that I then said this:
However, I don't think I have enough yet to be any more than moderately suspicious of either at this point (would alderan really shove himself into the spotlight this much if he were mafia? It must be awfully hard to keep from any slips this way... But I'm new to mafia, so who knows).
So I was still very unsure about alderan. As for me suddenly dropping my case against alderan, it's just that ghost and phagga have stood out to me more now, after going through the most recent posts. I soft defended alderan because if there is going to be a case against him, I wanted those issues which I brought up to be dealt with first, so that I could be more open to an alderan case. My speculation on the mafia's intent on the hit and its impact on alderan is, after reading what others think, WIFOM and I will not harp on it any longer.
Going through the most recent posts, however, and coming to my chocolate conclusions, phagga and ghost stood out to me more. As for alderan not responding to me... Well, if you go through my posts, you'll notice that it seems to be a trend that nobody really responds to me in any real meaningful way. In this regard I feel the same as nightfury. This part is addressed to DYH as well.
As I stated, my time zone and university timetable make it hard for me to contribute while everyone is around. When I get home, there is already a lot of content and cases for me to go through. When I'm home I do not actively jump in to post much because a lot of what I may have wanted to say has already been said. If I rehash them, I am accused of recycling other's arguments and being poor town (in fact alderan already pointed this out) or generating contentless posts for a pro mafia cause. Because of this, I prefer to take my time in posting, going through posts and filters looking for original evidence or new cases to make that haven't already been mentioned, which takes me awhile, as I am away for extended periods of time while discussion is occurring. And, like nightfury, this is my very first TL and forum mafia game. I do not have a good grasp of generating good discussion, and quite frankly the ability of some of you in the thread to absorb so much information so quickly and post your thoughts makes me feel like I want to hold off on my own posting so that I can REALLY think about, and make my own good points, before presenting them to you. That being said, it looks like I was not successful in making meaningful posts in your eyes. I apologise for not posting as much as others in the thread (even after taking time zone into consideration), but I will continue posting like this for the rest of the game and even others, until I get better at it.
I had actually been wondering when more people would start calling me out for my posting habits so far.
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EBWOP
Others' arguments instead of other's arguments. Sorry, wrongly placed apostrophes bug me.
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I did actually think about that after making my post phagga, but decided to wait for someone to point it out so as not to spam. I would argue that it was safer for ghost to make a post like that because there was more pressure on chocolate, than on him, so there was a lower chance of people calling ghost's bluff. I will be confirming my vote roughly 10-12 hours from now. I would like to read what others think when they wake up, but currently I am more inclined to vote for ghost than for you. And so, tentatively:
##Vote: ghost_403
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EBWOP
I suppose I should mention that i have class all day tomorrow (morning excluded), but I have a little time to change my vote and post a few thoughts if a better target comes up/someone can convince me not to vote ghost in the morning when I'm up and on the computer (about 11 hours from now). However, any substantial posts will probably be made around the same time as my last few posts.
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