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On February 26 2012 07:42 GMarshal wrote: Not everyone has a theme to their game, you know :-P Wow, in that case I really appreciate you writing that scenario for us marshal ( : | ||
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On February 26 2012 07:45 dreamflower wrote: Oh, I see. Yes, there will be background in the Day and Night posts, as there were in my previous newbie game. I thought you were referring to the theme games and whether there would be some twist to this game, or something. Nope, just fluffy posts, is the nature of said fluffy post a surprise? | ||
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Yeah thats not true, town got crushed that game which isn't gonna happen again, we are going to win this game. Heres a few things I'd like to have around just as tips or guide lines. You may choose to ignore them, I will never force my opinion over you(unless I know your scum) 1: Please wait a little while into the game before making accusations, mafia love conflict, they thrive in it, there is no plus side to you getting into a fight with a fellow townie, so wait a few hours till your sure someones scum before you post a case on them, and if someone does something scummy early on, make a note of it, don't just blurt it out, scum slips are much more useful as part of a bigger picture, and if scum are comftarble they are more likely to make more mistakes. 2: If your a blue, please don't try hiding from mafia by not posting much, they know exactly whose being helpful but lurky, which is the typical behaviour of your average blue, try to make yourself indistinguishable from the average joe k? And don't address any comments on blues, in fact no one adress any comments on blues it will just somehow get the blues killed. 3: If your gonna post about general game play stuff like im doing, do it now, when theres no discussion in place at the start of the game. 4: No no lynching unless we are in an extraordinary circumstance, if you would like to know what an extraordinary circumstance is just ask. 5: Most important thing:Ask lots of questions, from everyone. Get to know all the players. Btw the exception to the accusation rule is right now, if you think I'm scum for making this post please say ( : | ||
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Ill be on probably 07-12 est then 17-22 | ||
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On February 26 2012 13:32 DoYouHas wrote: My availability varies quite a bit. But I'm pretty good about letting the thread know if I'm going to be gone for an extended period. I agree with gum on the no lynching, however: Do not use this as your guide. There are plenty of guides linked in the OP which will give you a more nuanced view of how to play and what to look for. That being said, gumshoe isn't wrong, but he isn't presenting all the options. When you post you need to have a purpose for that post in mind. There can be many motivations behind posting a case against someone, or even just pointing out a 'scum slip'. Try to post to cause the greatest effect. If you follow gumshoe's suggestion here and hold back what you see until you can compose a strong case, that is fine. If you decide to use what you have in order to pressure a person, that's great too. Don't pick a fight with a person because you think they are scummy. Objectively apply pressure, create cases, and persuade others to your point of view. Conflict is a useful tool, and putting someone under the gun can give you as much evidence against them as letting them relax and mess up on their own. Conflict is not where mafia thrive. Pointless conflict is where mafia thrive. The point is, have a purpose to your posts and use your head. way to undermine my imaginary authority DYH  The thing about conflict is pretty much fluff, the heart of my request is that we don't pressure until say 10 hours in, theres nothing to pressure at this stage, and fights this early on more often than not are between townies :/ but I don't think this minor argument should take up more of our time so ill leave it to the townies to decide how they want to build their style. | ||
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Another thing against lurking: It doesn't matter if you know exactly who the scum are and have cold hard evidence to back yourself up, you will never get anything done unless you can sway town, if you lurk there is no way town will respect you enough to let you truly affect the game. Thats why you have to contribute, not because you don't want to look like scum, but because you want to look like solid town, so that you can be the one who lets us win the game. | ||
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On February 26 2012 13:47 Janaan wrote: The thing about pressuring is it can get the person talking, and you can use what they say to determine more about them. Some scum might even break under the pressure. If you wait until you have a full case, all that it could potentially take is one long decent defense post, and you'll never hear from him again. Or, maybe they never post enough to make a decent case. Then you're stuck. You can always just ask questions I think scum are way more likely to slip up if they're relaxed, what I don't agree with is telling them you think they are scum as you question them.What I will say though is that full out pressuring someone makes a spectacle of things so town is more aware of the process through which you are ascertaining their alignment. It might just come down to cooperation, some players are better off pressuring to put the information out there, where as others can simply watch and effectively put the pieces together. Really all I ask is that we don't accuse anyone of being scum until the games ripened a bit, thats all. | ||
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A schedule will be decent, not ideal as the game goes on. I will stand by it for now. | ||
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Jeckl, Phaaga Alderaan any particular reason you haven't let us know your all alive yet? | ||
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On February 26 2012 20:46 k2hd wrote: Janaan, I agree that we shouldn't work the numbers like FourFace has done, however, I don't agree that a no-lynch is always detrimental towards town. If we follow a no no-lynch policy then anyone who is targeted for a lynch by another player may find other players bandwagoning just because they want to avoid a no-lynch. This does not give us any new information at this stage of the game. If the flip shows the target was town, looking at a voting list wouldn't help if everyone just bandwagoned against a player because of a no no-lynch policy. Mafia would just be able to hide among town votes. In this case, not only would we be down 2 town players (after the night Mafia hit), but we would also not gain any real information from the mislynch. We should be able to get more information after day 1 when there are more posts, and we can better assess players' actions, and hopefully make more informed decisions. Now I'm not saying that we shouldn't lynch on day 1 if there is a suitably suspicious target/lurker/scum slip, but we should be wary of implementing a no no-lynch policy. Now FourFace, my partner recently had a change of schedule and it is unlikely that she will be able to post at all in the upcoming week, so I will be doing most, if not all of the posting. If she does post however, it will of course only be after we've had a discussion about our actions. Also, a dark archon is still a Protoss archon is it not? :p Point taken, but there is no reason a healthy town should no lynch day one, as the game goes on we will reavaluate policies, but for now we stand only to lose a potential scum hit by no lynching. oh and try not to post blocks of text ) : | ||
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On February 27 2012 01:30 Alderan wrote: This is the type of post you're going to want to avoid. Glad to have you on our side Alderaan ( : as for absolutes do you mind making decisions like that on a day to day basis? | ||
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On February 27 2012 04:36 Steveling wrote: Well not much to be said. Another typical newbie day one, xDDD. Would you like me to make another poll XD any questions anyone? (Oh and alderaan, earlier I meant that each day we should decided on how to change the way we chose to run things the previous day, as in will stick to the decisions we make right now until the vote, but depending on how the vote goes we can adapt at night to find what works best, that way we can organized but not bound by our own rules. So the decisions we make should have semi permanence but can be changed at night if they are found to not be useful. Also if the situation calls for it we can of course be flexible, but we do need some semblance of organization if only for the sake of practicing consensus building.) | ||
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On February 27 2012 05:32 FourFace wrote: I knew this was going to be fun. Had a LOL moment already; gumshoe says "Glad to have you on our side Alderaan ( : as for absolutes do you mind making decisions like that on a day to day basis?" and Alderan is like: "What do you mean?" Seriously wtf did you mean bro? Anyway I am disapoint about Steveling not reading this thread from start to finish. If he would have realized what a hydra is (i didn't know either until i did read .. THE WHOLE .. thread from START 2 FINISH and my eyes are still functioning properly) (DO THIS NOW if you haven't already GOOGG we'll be waiting THANK YOU!) Also certain circumstances made it so that I already have an idea of a case bait set up. The trap is up and running as we speak. At this point I can only say that there's an elephant in the room and whether people see it or not, mention it or not will give a mass check on all @Janaan why JekyllAndHyde and not some other lurker? I don't know, lynch me four face look up (above your post, your insult timing was just a second late) | ||
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On February 27 2012 06:36 DoYouHas wrote: Alright, I have seen a few things already that I don't like and I'm ready to throw some suspicion around. FourFace I don't like that his first post places unwarranted suspicion on the hydras. He could argue that he was just putting pressure on them, but this post shows he doesn't quite understand how to put pressure on someone properly yet. I also don't like his lack of opinion on the soft deadline (thanks for the phrase slOosh). He says he is waiting for a thorough pro/con discussion. But a few of us had already provided pros, so in order to be ambivalent to the idea he must have had some cons in mind, but chooses not to post them. 1. Lowering our expectations of him. Not a big deal, it is a newbie game. 2. Wants to lynch lurkers over suspicious people... unless they are posting advice and protocol. That is what would make a person suspicious enough to FourFace that they need to be voted over a lurker. Seems a bit off to me. At best this statement is wishy-washy and means nothing. At worse it reveals FourFace to have a skewed point of view. 3. This whole section says 1 thing of value. In a worst case scenario, a no-lynch on day1 gives us 1 more day of play before game over. The rest is pointing out the obvious, needless speculation, and trying to get others to jump on board with discussion about the setup. I think that the majority of this first post, while big, says almost nothing. Very suspicious. (I'm taking the spoilers out of this next one) Pro - Not vote for who you think is scum, vote for who you think benefits the town the least. Pro - FF seems to want to rely on blues to provide us with information. And speculation on who gets shot by scum tends to be WIFOM and useless. FF downplays the value of information gained by a lynch, up-plays the value of information gotten by a mafia hit. And goes back to blues for actually figuring the game out. This is a very wrong way of looking at the game. Con - First off, it isn't a 40% chance, it is closer to a 29% chance. 4/14, not 4/10. Secondly, FF has wandered into random lynch territory instead of staying on pro/con for nolynch. I don't like it one bit. Con - Just like in his pro-nolynch argument he is espousing voting for those who are least valuable to town, not scum. I italicized the statement in this section that I just hate and think betrays FF's attitude. I asked you all to have a purpose in mind when you posted things. So what is the purpose of this post? From what I can see the purpose of this post is to foment conflict between gumshoe and Alderan, to undercut/place suspicion on Steveling, and to hint at a secret strategy. Also, wtf is with this statement, "I don't know, lynch me". As to that secret strategy, I sure hope an integral part of it is letting us know that a trap is out there. Because if it isn't then all you have done is made people more afraid to post for fear of stepping into your trap. So if your trap doesn't depend on letting us know that it exists, you are acting very scummy. ##FOS: FourFace Beat me to it DYH ( : | ||
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