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Red's unvote of Tyrran gives me that 'passing the buck' sort of vibe. Similar to "LOL, SEE GUYS!? HE POSTED IT WAS JUST TO PRESSURE VOTE HIM! LOLJIGISUP." Come on, bro. To add to the discussion; i'm definitely not a follower of the Policy Lynch based on Meta. I think it's bullshit - not in the sense that it doesn't work, but in the sense that one player can't change their play style from game to game. I know my first game (Election) was drastically different from my second (Newbie?) because I wanted to play it differently. That being said, all of the shit Red is being accused of by VE is all based on shit that has happened this game. Going to take a shower, then read Red's filter through. Also, while we are on the discussion of Policy, I hate liars, unless there is a clear and logical reason to do so (blue prolonging his anonymity, ect.) and anyone lying should be 100% held accountable for the actions they decided to run with. Does anyone in anyway disagree with this, and if so, why? Sup chaoser. | ||
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On February 21 2012 10:33 chaoser wrote: yes. i take it back, i misread. I dunno why WBG is buddying me though. I think I'm playing decently well though, but I think you're doing better (aka I think you're townine ATM). This screams at me. Not too hot, not too cold, but luke warm. And this isn't the only time you are staying "luke warm." What's with all the apologies and filler? I think people, by now, would know that there is a voting thread. You obviously thought it was a good idea to get the ball rolling by going with redFF on a "policy lynch" vote. What was YOU'RE reasoning to do it? Bugs. In the period of two pages, you go from calling out VE for sucking, and telling him to stfu, to saying that he doesn't suck anymore. wat. | ||
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On February 22 2012 01:49 Toadesstern wrote: I haven't read those games but thanks I'll take a look at those. That's the reason I posted what redFF quoted. If you got a nice example game of BC being mafia that'd be nice as well I only saw him play in L and that 80-ish player thing were he obviously had to change his style a little bit to get to the new guys as well. Well I've got my thoughts about you two but I don't know what to make of them yet so I thought waiting a little longer to post something that actually might be useful is better than just posting a oneliner every now and then saying "well that looks odd". But yeah I kind of agree with you, I had the feeling he's dodging a little bit when VE asked him earlier on. VE was clearly overdoing it early on and I don't think mafia-BC would have troubles thinking of something to say so although I agree with you that it looks weird I don't think it's scummy yet. My thought was that he doesn't want to encourage people tunneling so early on. And as mentioned I'm not feeling comfortable judging you two yet so I'd rather not lynch one of you two guys. I'd also rather not lynch into vets d1 but considering how stacked this game is it's probably a dangerous thing to say that for someone like me :p So you have you're thoughts on them, but you aren't comfortable judging them? What happened to the Arkham Toad, where you we're going accusation crazy, IIRC. | ||
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Toad. Why so passive. | ||
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On February 21 2012 18:44 Dirkzor wrote: [...] I see no scummyness from Chaoser's town read on VE. Other people have done similarly things in this game. But chaoser as a whole is a bit flip floppy... You go from seeing chaoser as a bit flip-floppy On February 22 2012 02:39 Dirkzor wrote: [...] If I had to point at one player to lynch it would be chaoser. His post are just a wee bit to "jumping whoever everyone else think is scum" for me. He seems overly defensive. Can't make a real case since I'm at work. To feeling that he would be a sufficient lynch. I can assume that you make him out as Mafia. I'll expect a case when you get out of work. | ||
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On February 22 2012 05:18 Dirkzor wrote: Oh right... you asked about that... I just didn't answer because it was a stupid question. The first 3 posts was bad. And i said they were. That was the critisism. Nothing more. I was trying to be sarcastic but i clearly failed. What about my question? On February 22 2012 02:51 Jitsu wrote: You go from seeing chaoser as a bit flip-floppy To feeling that he would be a sufficient lynch. I can assume that you make him out as Mafia. I'll expect a case when you get out of work. For reference. | ||
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Dirkzor Cool case, brah. Would it be ok to say that chaoser is a red read to you, then? If not, who then? | ||
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As for you - one part troll, one part unenthusiastic, add a dash of the possibility of scum, shake and serve on ice. I'm voting Dirkzor. ##vote Dirkzor | ||
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On February 22 2012 11:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: He made one okay point therefore we shouldn't lynch him? I agree with it too. That doesn't mean anything really. BC is way better than this. He's playing negatively, passively, he's criticizing others for not contributing past the PL discussion but offers nothing to the thread himself. Yeah, RedFF could be faking it and the fact that he hasn't said a role name yet makes me suspect but I feel way stronger about BC with that last post of his now. The fact that I had the same idea is less about me agreeing with it and more about having the same train of thought. Did you read L? Everyone was making the same case about him in L, saying how he was causing more chaos then good, especially with revealing his role. Not comfortable with lynching him at this point. I could get down with a Dirkzor lynch. - non-committal early on, staying out of the spotlight for the most part. - says that chaoser is curious because he is "flippy floppy" - On February 21 2012 18:44 Dirkzor wrote: RedFF's fast unvote of Tyrran was weird after he had pushed and defended his policy lynch so much. Kita's vote on (policy?) Tyrran while attacking Toad for defending Tyrran while attacking RedFF for his history regarding policy lynches and then unvoting Tyrran to vote RedFF is weird. Don't know what I should think about it. I like that you can argue with someone while still having the same opinion but this just looks way to double sided. I see no scummyness from Chaoser's town read on VE. Other people have done similarly things in this game. But chaoser as a whole is a bit flip floppy... This post makes just about zero sense to me. It's more of the same, with a bit of confusion as well. If I wanted to post something to make it look like a contribution, this would be it. - says he can't wrap his head around this game, then two posts later, claims chaoser as his primary scumread, and adds a [weak] case about how chaoser is scum. - doesn't even vote for chaoser, even though it's his target. Something is up. ##vote Dirkzor | ||
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On February 23 2012 05:15 Toadesstern wrote: oh crap it's actually only 1:50hours until deadline oO Yeah totally voting BC right now, I had the balls to vote BC for mayor in GM's game although everyone said it's way too dangerous to vote and I'm having the balls to lynch him today. With this stacked of a set-up my "don't lynch vets d1"-rule really isn't an option. In 20-something games with 4 to 6 vets I still think it's good to not lynch into that but there's no possibility to think about that in this game. Did this catch anyone else's eye, or am I seeing shit. When was it implied that the set-up was stacked? I know Palmar said the Set-Up was "hard,"...but "stacked" is another thing all together. Stacked would imply you have a knowledge as to the ratio of faction to another faction. Viscera, how sure are you on BC? | ||
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I can't support a BC vote switch this late, especially with the last few vote switches. I think red has acted in a much more anti-town manner then BC. | ||
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Hard set-up indeed... | ||
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I'd like to echo youre sentiments in what you just said. I was on the point between oting for red and BC. My rationale, although possibly misguided, made sense. BC was being pushed hard for what I see as s subpar case. His meta is off this game? The fuck? You want to lynch someone for that over the that was caused in the beginning of the game, be my guest. That was part of th reason I voted for red, because, from my point of view, shit he was saying was a detriment to the town. It's possible he was a blue; but as stated before, Its also possible he would have similar powers in a red alignment as well. I think the fact that town was so disorganized at end leads me to believe that mafia was doing a decent job of blowing smoke p towns ass and running smokescreens. I personally think that mafia was trying to push for the BC lynch, causing a misslynch on someone that is an arguably very strong town player. That, along with some of what BC was saying near the deadline made me switch to red. I'm going back tonight and tomorrow to look at some of the people pushing strong for a BC lynch, and looking through that shit again. | ||
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Especially the part where he makes a huge post based on the perception that Chaoser is lying, and then doesn't even vote him. If he thought he was actually scum, I feel he would have voted for him. But to build a case on someone and then not even be willing to get him lynched, let alone feel pressure? Come on, bro. That lack of flip is making me WIFOM everything. Literally. I think that the no-flip was triggered by a role. Obviously the no-flip application is only really beneficial to the mafia side, so I can't decide whether they did it to hide the fact that he actually wasn't a tracker blue. The other thing in my head is that the mafia is trying to hide an attempted early bus on him, and because of the failed vote switch to BC, they needed to throw suspicion off that person. I can't think of any other motivations for the mafia to block the flip like that. There is always the possibility that it's a mechanic, but, as stated earlier, I don't think it's possible. Risk.nuke, where ya at, brah. You still think I should be lynched? You said it mid-day through Day1, and BH tacked onto the attack with you, and since then, you just dipped off the radar. At the time, you obviously thought that I was mafia, else you wouldn't push for my lynch, right? Along the way, where did you disregard you're gut feeling on me? | ||
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On February 24 2012 06:42 Toadesstern wrote: How should mafia know if he really is a blue tracker or not? Unless redFF is mafia himself mafia won't know his role and therefore the first statement is probably not a possibility or at least not the reason they did it. I really still think it's either a 3rd party power or something like a role who dies when lynched but flips a day later. I can't recall what that role was called right now. Yeah mafia somehow hiding the flips is possibly but pretty unlikely, why should they do that if it's a 1-shot power? So either a townie who flips the next day or a some weird 3rd party shit. I doubt they bussed redFF. You mis-interpreted what I was saying. redFF claims blue role to try to get our votes off of him. redFF is actually mafia fake-claiming. We lynch redFF anyway. Mafia proceeds to shit themselves, and bury the results so that we are left to assume he was truthful in his claim. I think that it's a feasible conclusion. On February 24 2012 06:37 Blazinghand wrote: No comments on me all game huh Jitsu what you got to hide What do you want me to comment on? The fact that you are playing like garbage? | ||
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And and But are two real different things, there. I see what Jackal is looking at. @Blazinghand I don't need to say you're play sucks. You garnered four(?) votes yesterday because of you're poor play. Me saying that "Blazing is playing terribly this game" doesn't need to be stated again. I can't help it if you, or some other people, are too busy derping around the thread to actually contribute something solid to town discussion instead of derailing it into the ground. You've said it yourself in previous games: if you are a town, and you get lynched, it's you're own fault for acting so scummy. @Risk.Nuke I'll take that answer whenever you free yourself up, bro. | ||
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Guilty conscience? | ||
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It seems a lot of this RoL train has to do with his meta of being inactive. I'm not entirely privy to this. That being said, he's another one that is basically sitting back and letting the town attack each other without doing anything groundbreaking to prove his innocence. He comes back after lurking, to post OMGUS reads, then peaces. I haven't read the entirety of his case on DrH yet, only saw that he had posted it, so I will go back and check that out. Dirkzor is floating somewhere between null and scum to me. I think part of it is confirmation bias, but since DrH has stated a lot of things the same as I have in my first case against him, I feel confident in my read. That, and I have received very little criticism about it, other then the fact that it was [defended?] by Dirkzor. Risk.nuke. Guy is giving me negative vibes, mannnn. Guy calls me out Day1 and says he would support my lynch. Doesn't give reasoning other then my Dirkzor case wasn't heartfelt. Laugh Out Loud. Lurks it the fuck up. Then he comes back, and either A) disregards my request to answer me about the above lynch support, or B) isn't reading the thread. To me, and to everyone else, he's acting anti-town. How has anything he has done supported town discussion or behavior? | ||
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On February 25 2012 07:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: cool thanks for the summary of what is happening no one cares What in the fuck is your problem? Would you rather I sheep all my shit, or come up with my own thoughts? | ||
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And that Risk.Nuke needs to step it up, because he is giving me negative vibes. How is that saying "I have no real thoughts on these players?" Blazinghand starting to discredit me enough to make my thoughts invalid? Do you think i'm scum? | ||
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On February 25 2012 09:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That's very wishy washy "I don't know really what to think about it and had no confidence in my read but a town player seems to agree so I'm confident now" sounds like scum who is unsure about their agenda hoping for town support Or i'm not very confident in my scum-hunting ability, since I have only 4 games played total. Take you're pick. Also, you didn't answer my question. Do you think i'm mafia? | ||
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Pretty funny if you ask me. How about you? Do you think i'm scum? I ask you, since DocH is obviously too afraid to say so one way or another. | ||
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On February 25 2012 09:15 Blazinghand wrote: I think you're responding to this, the briefest and lightest of pressures, in a scummier fashion than I'd expect out of you. I think your town play is solid. I can't yet definitively say you're scum, and I have bigger fish to fry at the moment, but I don't like the way you've handled this. This divisive and generally unhelpful "do you think i'm scum" stuff isn't even what this is about. My main criticism of your play is the sudden dearth of content and pressure I've seen today. The proper response to this isn't to flip out and start asking people "DO YOU THINK IM SCUM HUH" or say "oh I have no idea what my reads are. The proper response is to make cases, hunt scum, and help town. Yet here we are. I didn't ask "DO YOU THINK IM SCUM HUH." Don't play it up like I am blowing up in you're face. I said, Do you think i'm scum? I asked it for a reason. The "sudden dearth of content and pressure" was due to me being busy most of the morning/afternoon until I got home, after lunch, with my girlfriend. Then I got on to post. I can't help it that there were 6 pages of "conversation" that was generated during that time. If that gives you cause to pressure, so be it. What pressure? This is all in response to one fucking person saying "no one cares" about my post. Totally different from pressure. Again, you are trying to paint me in a negative light. I was responding to why DocH was being an absolute dick for almost no apparent reason, at least to my standards, and was questioning that - it had nothing to do with you until you voiced your unwanted opinion. And even beyond that, if you have a scent of a scum player, are you seriously going to get off the trail? No. The Blazinghand I know wouldn't have "bigger fish to fry." You would go after it. And as for that, I don't like the way you have handled your entire game thus far, and since I like to hold people accountable for their stupid actions. ##vote: Blazinghand On February 25 2012 09:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Need to read your filter to determine if you're bad town or mafia. I think RoL and BH are at the present time. I need to read your whole filter and I don't want to get unfocused and post a million reads right now, shit sucks for town when there are like 5 bandwagons. Bad town play? Let's recap. I do a decent enough job Day 1 to show other people in the thread that i'm a town player. How do I know? Because up until a page and a half ago, my name wasn't even mentioned, beyond risk.nuke saying he would support my lynch (which he has yet addressed) and Blazinghand trying to pull analysis out of me (which I then put out one post later). That first analysis case, Dirkzor, was someone that you later decided to make a case on yourself. A lot of what you said was a lot of what I said, earlier. So, bad town play? I'd say no, but that's up for others interpretation. But if my play is bad, what does it say about you're play? | ||
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That thought keeps creeping back into my mind. | ||
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All WIFOM though. It's just a question mark in mah heads. I'm waiting to read VE's cases. | ||
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On February 28 2012 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote: @Jitsu stop spouting nonsense, syllo was 100% the only person who was playing with any sense. By talking about other hits you're just begging to speculate about scum goals. Which, unless you are scum this game, you have zero ideas about. 100% agree with you, on Toad, that is a massive scumslip. Toad already "knows" BC is town wtf. He'd be a great alternative to a RoL lynch. Dirkzor, however, I have no read on. I don't really know what his meta is and I don't see anything particularly of note in his filter. Can't say much there. @Kita: you've been awful quiet all game. Care to explain what you think right now? @RoL: you're fucking lucky Toad scumslipped so hard, or I'd be pushing you like there's no tomorrow. All you do is lurk lurk lurk and then make excuses for your inactivity. That's exactly what you did when we were teammates in Couples Therapy and it's what you did (IIRC) in Purgatory as well. @VE: You're going on a posting spree because you were inactive for 48 hours, not because you actually want to find scum. The fact that you consider me scum after having played on the same team as me in BC's game is indicative of you having malicious goals. You're not town this game and you need to die as well. TL;DR: kill Toad, RoL, VE. If we ensure that the votes stay between these 3 players I'm confident we will hit only scum today. ##vote Toadesstern I know it's nonsense, but it was all things running through my head, and I wanted to have the ability to bounce my ideas off of others, or at least share them. You said you have a no read on Dirkzor. Is it because there isn't anything that you can point at in particular that you think is null? I still have him as scum. My post about him in the beginning, coupled with things like this: On February 28 2012 06:10 Dirkzor wrote: I'll do a short Q&A for you guys. Q: Is DrH's filter long? A: There is not a precise answer to that. That depends on game length, game type and what you define as long. But the purpose of this Q&A the answer would be: Yes. 6 pages and counting. Q: Have DrH called anyone scum? A: Yes. As a matter of fact he have. Q: How many have he called scum? A: Let me see... *counting counting* Lets say more then a handful. Q: Have DrH made cases for any of these so called scum players? A: Oh yes. He very much have. He have made 3 big ones at least. On RoL, Dirk and VE. Q: Have DrH actively pushed for a lynch for any of these people. A: No. Q: Why not? If he think they are scum why not try to convince others so they'll hang? A: No one knows. DrH works alone and in mysterious ways. It would be normal town play to do so. Q: Is he scum himself then? A: What a observant questioneer. He might. make him think he's scum. Like, he comes up with this Q&A about DocH. Then, after setting up the entire thing, falls and says he may be red? @Toad, You're entire case looks like it's built on the fact that WBG is being too nice this game. Did you suddenly forget that WBG drove on person out of the game, and got a warning? Maybe I am missing the point of you're post, but regardless, it doesn't look like he's being THAT modest. | ||
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I think it's feasible that both players flipped red this game. Toad has been scummy for the larger part of the game - half the shit he's doing doesn't see town driven to me. I keep going back to the one post he made trying to totally absolve himself of Blazinghand flipping town. That shit is not town driven. At all. And if it is town driven, it's flawed at that. You vote because you think someone is scum. Not because you want to train with the rest of the town and cross you're fingers that he's now telling the truth. I thought he fake-claimed. In fact, I was pretty sure it was a fake-claim. I'll own it. I fucked up on reading him as scum. Toad wants to take no blame for it though. Also, where the shit has Cwave gone. Replaces Risk.nuke. Posts once. Gone. | ||
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Dirkzor, according to you, Dr.H has so nothing in the past eight hours. On February 27 2012 08:10 Dirkzor wrote: Agree. My point was basicly that I can't find a reason for scum to shoot jackal so I think it was a town hit. On February 28 2012 02:35 Dirkzor wrote: Only private? I was sergeant in real life =/ Is that list in order of who lurks the most? On February 28 2012 06:10 Dirkzor wrote: I'll do a short Q&A for you guys. Q: Is DrH's filter long? A: There is not a precise answer to that. That depends on game length, game type and what you define as long. But the purpose of this Q&A the answer would be: Yes. 6 pages and counting. Q: Have DrH called anyone scum? A: Yes. As a matter of fact he have. Q: How many have he called scum? A: Let me see... *counting counting* Lets say more then a handful. Q: Have DrH made cases for any of these so called scum players? A: Oh yes. He very much have. He have made 3 big ones at least. On RoL, Dirk and VE. Q: Have DrH actively pushed for a lynch for any of these people. A: No. Q: Why not? If he think they are scum why not try to convince others so they'll hang? A: No one knows. DrH works alone and in mysterious ways. It would be normal town play to do so. Q: Is he scum himself then? A: What a observant questioneer. He might. On February 28 2012 18:47 Dirkzor wrote: Prplhz why do you want to remove focus from the players who are currently lynchtargets? First you tried with Tyrran and no one supported you so now you want to lynch chaoser? On February 28 2012 19:04 Dirkzor wrote: You're inconsistent. You say that we should be able to get a decent read. Then you say you can't see any of them as scum. Are they all town then? On February 28 2012 19:14 Dirkzor wrote: While I was sleeping DrH have accomplished to add 2-3 more page to his filter without saying anything. He have called 6+ player scummy but made no cases or really pushed for their lynch. He called out toad for cluttering up the thread but continued to do so himself the same way he have done earlier. ##Vote DrH I just copy and pasted the entire last page to you're filter. It was painful, but I did it anyway. Save the last two posts (which are attacking a player who is actively contributing to the town) you have given us absolutely nothing. Nothing. All of the shit near the top is fluff. You are speculating (much like I was) but you were building on it. Trying to take off with it and run, and push it deeper into the ground. Looking back, I was lost and trying to contribute to the thread somehow, but you try to almost ENCOURAGE this kind of shit, and make it look like you are at least trying to contribute. Then, when the speculation is over, you stop and disappear. Then you post a fucking Q&A that leads you to the conclusion that you have a null read on DrH. But, the point of the entire thing is to discredit whatever DrH is saying. wat Then later on, you do the same thing, only more boldly. You actually vote for him. With a shoddy case at that. Probably with the worst reasoning possible in my book. Because his filter is long?? You're case is actually based on the fact that his filter...is long. In his "Q&A" he says that he can't get a read on DrH. Then 4 votes later, posts that he thinks that DocH is scum and wants him dead. I asked DrH is he thought that Toades and Dirkzor could be mafia together. I find it a bit humerous that as DrH is attacking Toad, Toad is sitting here defending himself and trying to look at other people...while Dirkzor comes in and tries to discredit and actually votes to lynch DrH. Chainsaw Defense much? Toades Dirkzor | ||
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On February 28 2012 12:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I see no reason to believe that Dirk and Toades can't be together on a scumteam | ||
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On February 29 2012 01:55 prplhz wrote: Okay lets lynch god damn Tyrran. His filter shows him not putting any effort into the game at all. Compare to Steamship Liquidia where he actually tries to do anything. Also, his filter looks like he's just skirting by, he doesn't attempt to have any influence on the game at all. This post he unvotes Blazinghand because of a really bad unsubstantiated reasonable and then votes RebirthOfLeGenD just to pressure him. He shows that he has reason to believe that Toadesstern is scum but instead he opts to just pressure vote RebirthOfLeGenD in the most half assed way. After this he doesn't stop the pressure on RebirthOfLeGenD. Instead he starts insisting that RebirthOfLeGenD is scum but this doesn't correlate with how he is pushing him. He doesn't write cases or ask people for anything. He actually stops even trying to appear to be actively contributing after he apparently figures out that RebirthOfLeGenD is scum and that town is wrong and is being lead astray. He's also French. Yeah. But seriously, this guy is pretty scum. He's not trying to get noticed or step on anybody's toes, always picking easy targets while trying to stay out of any troubles at all, and so far he's only gotten by because people are giving him a lot of leash because he was bad in another game. What I'm seeing here isn't just bad, it's not giving a shit about town. ##Vote Tyrran @Kurumi You suck. Dirkzor seems to be doing a lot of the same stuff. Why don't you want to lynch him? Scum together? | ||
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Kurumi asks me if I think RoL is scum. I say "I don't know, he might be." How does that at all translate to "Yes, I think he's scum, I want him dead." Why would a town player who has a scum read on someone not say "I think he's scum, I want him dead." Oh, that's right. They wouldn't. For example: I think Dirkzor is scum. I would like him dead. | ||
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On February 29 2012 02:21 prplhz wrote: He's looking town and he's been active and consistent in his contributions and not flaking out at any point. I didn't see anything scummy he's done this game when I read his filter. It's pretty hard to point him pushing the lynch of a scum, but he's called plenty of people out and he's been willing to reconsider his opinions and his posting looks like he's actually trying to pour effort and thought into this game. I don't see any reason to lynch Dirkzor. I see good reason to lynch Tyrran. What? He's active and consistent...with a total of three pages of filter to sift through. I understand that town discussion has stalled, but active? There were points where I forgot he was in this game. Also, he's called plenty of people out? I just skimmed through it again, and saw him call out Blazinghand and DrH, and very soft-aggression to chaoser. | ||
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On February 29 2012 03:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Dirkzor has put effort into what? a shitty case on me where he lied a bunch of times and screaming to get BH lynched? I like that he gets to chainsaw twice and no one notices. If no one is going to go along with the obvious scum Toades, we should lynch Dirkzor. ... | ||
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On February 29 2012 07:00 Dirkzor wrote: Whoops! RoL is back just 2 min before deadline... scummy much? Scum. | ||
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I am putting my vote on Dirkzor in the morning. If anyone cares to even read the case I put on him, be my guest. The guy is screaming anti-town to the point where I can't fucking look away - that's not saying much though, since the vast majority of this game is playing anti-town. So i'm just going to pick the guy that I've pointed my finger at since the beginning of the game and work to get him killed. Some of Day One and most of Day Two, I played with my head up my ass. Then I gained some clairvoyance and realized that unless people ACTUALLY want to play this game, Town is pretty much fucked, since we have done a pretty good job of not killing a single, confirmed mafia player. So I urge the rest of you people to do the same - get you're head out ya ass, and play this fucking game. I think the first step in the right direction would be to kill Dirkzor. | ||
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On March 01 2012 07:27 Toadesstern wrote:
So the question remains; How does this incriminate VE. | ||
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Same for you, layabout. Why did you vote for him? | ||
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Why don't you think you're hit went through, Toad? Because of a mafia medic? Explain that reasoning. Is that what you truly believe? | ||
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Also, Toad, for serious. Explain you're reasoning. | ||
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Well, that brings it pretty close. Toad, you're scum-list is VE, RoL, and WBG, if I followed correctly, right? | ||
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Kita, you still here? As long as the game is still going, there might be a way to salvage. | ||
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The bottom of my spreadsheet has RoL, WBG, BC, and layabout, pretty much only by process of elimination. RoL looks pretty bad with his last minute voting after rage quit, obviously, but I don't know if that makes him scum. In his situation, I would have probably done the same thing. BC is obviously on a lot of radar's because he is still alive, and because he has yet to make any major contributions. Layabout, just because the list is very short. He's pretty much interchangable with both Tyrran and Cwave. DocH was convincing me at the end before Dirkzor blew them both up. It makes sense what he was saying about WBG. Who are you eyeing as a possible kill target? I know you are pretty dead set on RoL. Is that who you want to stick with? Also, do you trust in that Toad Avenger claim? | ||
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The one thing about Toad's claim I don't think is legit is his miss-queue on Night 2. He said he didn't make the action in time, or something similar? Toad is a better player then that. | ||
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This could feasibly be the end of the game if we mislynch. Trying not to rush into a choice when i'm overtired. | ||
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On March 03 2012 02:35 Toadesstern wrote: I doubt blue claims will put blue under pressure. More like it's going to confuse people like Jitsu and Cwave  Lol... On March 02 2012 02:03 Jitsu wrote: Also, I counted 6v4. Not like it matters THAT much, but I count 10 people left. The bottom of my spreadsheet has RoL, WBG, BC, and layabout, pretty much only by process of elimination. RoL looks pretty bad with his last minute voting after rage quit, obviously, but I don't know if that makes him scum. In his situation, I would have probably done the same thing. BC is obviously on a lot of radar's because he is still alive, and because he has yet to make any major contributions. Layabout, just because the list is very short. He's pretty much interchangable with both Tyrran and Cwave. DocH was convincing me at the end before Dirkzor blew them both up. It makes sense what he was saying about WBG. Who are you eyeing as a possible kill target? I know you are pretty dead set on RoL. Is that who you want to stick with? Also, do you trust in that Toad Avenger claim? This is from earlier, VE, for what it's worth. | ||
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So in you're list Kita, if you knew Toad was town, why did you have me the highest on the list besides you? | ||
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Trying to make a contribution and having someone say "no one cares" really hurts ones will to try. That being said, i'll let this one go. I'm sticking with my gut on this one, because I feel second guessing myself this late is going to be a bullshit move regardless. That being said, let's let the dice fuckin' roll, eh? ##vote RoL | ||
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On March 03 2012 06:33 kitaman27 wrote: its a shame that nobody really tried to put any effort into this game. We have RoL who rage quit, BC who makes one post a day, nuke who has a few posts and then subs out, cwave who is apparently content voting by himself at lylo, chaoser who goes for a five day span without posting. How are we supposed to scumhunt when there is a bunch of players with nothing of value. I could be wrong, but at least I'm trying :/ Cwave - probably mafia. Lol. | ||
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I think WBG/BC would be pretty decent at this point. | ||
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BC LayAbout Let's do this. | ||
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I want to finish the question I had before thst I never got around to finishing. Why did you have me so high up on your list? I could understand protecting toad, but why was I so high up. | ||
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Oh shit, I'm wrong. You've been much more successful in killing discussion. Real pro town, jackass. | ||
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Right bro? | ||
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As for right now, it's time to hunt some maf. | ||
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On March 03 2012 20:58 Toadesstern wrote: And basicly if this really was a mafia masterplan to bus RoL and what wbg said is right we still just lost the game and nothing has changed yesterday. If there REALLY were 2 townies stupid enough to vote me yesterday we can't win this anyways. So it's either all 6 townies voted RoL or we've got a bunch of morons who voted me yesterday and people like Kita/VE/Jitsu are playing the safe option, bussing their teammember while knowing that there's a bunch of people who voted wrong and therefore are an easy mislynch while getting massively towncred. I still think bugs looks awful even without what happened yesterday. Look at his filter and especially pay attention to what he said to others about other people. Eg. Talking about VE to me. Talking about how Risk has to be mafia given that replacement. Talking about how RoL is a confirmed mafia in his opinion but people like BH, prpl and myself are even more confirmed. That guy is just plain mafia. Nothing to add here. I also highly doubt that jitsu would have the balls to fake counterclaim Layabout, especially given that layabout seems to have given up and hasn't even responded in a "HEY NO WAY; I AM THE TOWN OPERATOR"-fashion. But surly wbg will come in here and tell everyone that that's just wifom. And I will tell you that the term wifom is the cheapest, and most stupid defense there is. Yes it may be possible and that's essentially the reason for this very post but what are the odds or that? Sure it could be Jitsu fake-CC-ing but it sounds WAY more reasonable/plausible/likely to me that he just IS the one telling the truth. Sure VE could maybe be a mafia who went for towncred last second unvoting me but I somehow think he would do what he did as a townie given how much I attacked him. I'd say he'd be pretty pissed and raging about me if he's a townie and I was wrong about him. But then again, who's the one guy that is supposed to be wrong to make way for VE being mafia? WBG and Laya desperatly need to die. BC as well. Honestly I'd say the chances are somewhat like 90% for mafiateam to be: WBG + Laya + BC 10% for mafiateam to be WBG + Laya + someone else who's playing according to a mafia masterplan (like VE, Jitsu, Kita) The first explanation seems way more likely and I'd be happy to stick with it just for the odds. Furthermore I think that if it's the latter one town already/still lost imo. But sure I'll reread some filters tomorrow. It was Tyrran. | ||
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@VE, I typed this up yesterday, but had qualms about posting it. If you are here, and still give any fucks, read it and give me an opinion. I kinda disregarded it as not logical, but I actually am not sure anymore. Read it and see if it makes sense. I read it over and revised it a bit, and i'm torn between this line of thinking (below) and sticking with my gut. + Show Spoiler + Thoughts on Layabout/Tyrran, and actually what the rest of the game looks like - I'm actually convinced more to the fact that Tyrran is scum, but only by a small margin. I was thinking about it the last day and a half, and it's the only thing that I can come up with. LayAbout claims Operator. He explains his reasoning as to who and why he mason'd. 5 minutes left in the day, and Tyrran joins the thread and claims "Phone Operator" and that LayAbout is scum. RoL changes his vote from Toad to LayAbout. Before I continue, why would a mafia player do that? Why would a player, who is about to be lynched, vote for another player on their team to throw votes off of them? It doesn't make sense, because not only is a mafia player going to be lynched anyway (if the majority of town has second thoughts), but you just revealed who another mafia player is. So Tyrran comes in and Counter-Claims, RoL votes for LayAbout, no one buys it, RoL is lynched and flips red. Night occurs, Day comes and no one dies. Not going to bother commenting on that, since there could be so many possibilities, and it's all conjecture. The real operator, who let's say is LayAbout, connects me and Cwave, but since he was outed in the thread, there is a large possibility he was role-blocked (this could have happened to either operator) which is why we didn't get connected. However, Tyrran came into the thread first, before LayAbout, to reveal who he connected. How would someone NOT the Operator know who was connected? It would mean that one of the two people connected was a mafia player. Cwave and I were connected, however, I had no knowledge of this. I believe that I was roleblocked and not let into the Mason QT. However, Cwave was, and knew that we were supposed to be connected. Cwave told Tyrran, who reported his connection to the thread, before LayAbout. But Cwave was confirmed as a Town player, by kita. So that would mean that, all of Tyrran, Cwave, and kita would be the last remaining Scum. | ||
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Whatever. Let me know if my line of thinking could be accurate. | ||
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Follow that gut. | ||
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On March 06 2012 06:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Could it be something like Toad, bugs, layabout/Tyrran, RoL? If there's an alternate of BC, I think it would be Toad/Cwave. | ||
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I'd have to say LayAbout at this point. | ||
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Do you think it possible that scum has a power role that is able to detect who the Operator connected? Do you think might be feasible in anyway? That would be the only way I think Tyrran would be able to acknowledge who was Mason'd. He was the first to come out with the two people that were "Mason'd" yesterday. Unless he has the ability to "Tap" into the QT and see who was Mason'd, I would think he is the actual Operator. I think that's the reason LayAbout hasn't said anything since yesterday either. The jig is up. | ||
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To build on that, VE, why would RoL vote for his scum member like he did? If my scum teammate gets counterclaimed in thread, I wouldn't auto vote switch for my teammate if I was on the lynch pedestal. It doesn't make sense for him to do that. | ||
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I'm bringing up the fact that he picked LayAbout. Wouldn't it be pretty easy to just discredit Tyrran and vote for him and try to force townies to vote for a townie looking person then for a scum buddy? | ||
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I was convinced Kita was the 3rd Party. GG VE. | ||
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Thanks a lot to Palmar/Sandro for letting me into this game, and hosting it as well. It was actually really fun. The night when the vote was between RoL and Toad, and I was pretty much the deciding vote...holy shit, I never stirred so much in my career here. I spent the entire last hour of the day pacing back and forth before I was like "Fuck it, going with my gut on RoL." Alas, too little, too late. If anyone has any criticism, comments, or general asshole-tearing of my game play, i'd love to hear it. | ||
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On March 13 2012 10:21 wherebugsgo wrote: it's not even listening to logic at this point. (If you've noticed, I've completely stopped talking about logic) it's just about reading. People aren't doing the most basic part of the game. If people were reading, I wouldn't have trolled so hard. Like who? At least, tell me so I can try to improve in the right areas. | ||
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This one from Jackal was a close second for me. | ||
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On March 14 2012 16:39 wherebugsgo wrote: You haven't been around long enough to be able to report, Dirkzor. Iirc you need to be a member for a year. I didn't even know that. I was looking for the Report button as well. Kekeke | ||
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