Storm Mafia

On February 22 2012 03:44 layabout wrote:

I honestly cannot beleive that we are a good 20 hours into the game and you have not even found 3+ scum. These excuses are beyond weak, and are far from what i have come to expect from Dirkzor the townie.

In other news if anyone has any more shit to fling i would ask that you hold it like a man, or fling it quick so that we can clean ourselves up and catch scum.

I am curious about Jackals apparent attempt to "start a bandwagon" by calling toad scum and not elaborating. For me the the town motivation for doing that would be to provoke reactions from players that he could analyse and perhaps find scum. For instance if somebody were to sheep him for no real reason, they would be more likely to be scum (since a townie shouldn't do that but getting away with a sheep vote would be good for mafia). I think that such an action is unnecessary as town but beneficial as Mafia.

My problem with this play is that + Show Spoiler +
He could have been trying to get Toad lynched based off of nothing, by attempting to create a dumb bandwagon when the game had barely begun. This is all jackal has done (although we are not far in and he has a tendency to lurk) other than add to the childish bickering/insult hurling so far.

On February 22 2012 04:48 chaoser wrote:


Once again, not a random swap, once I acknowledged that I misread VE and DrH's posts, I realized VE is 100% correct in not only calling out redFF but also saw that redFF was misrepresenting facts (one of the reasons why I misread/switched VE and DrH's post) Add in his bullshit defense and the vote was justified.

On February 21 2012 09:05 chaoser wrote:
Also, your unvote of tyrran was pretty bad redFF and seemed extremely defensive. His post wasn't a good enough post to un-pressure vote. I would never get off him from my vote because his post was NOT good.

On February 21 2012 09:08 chaoser wrote:


Oh lol, my bad. I went back to check and indeed you did not say that. My fault. sorry lol

On February 21 2012 10:33 chaoser wrote:


yes. i take it back, i misread. I dunno why WBG is buddying me though. I think I'm playing decently well though, but I think you're doing better (aka I think you're townine ATM).

On February 22 2012 21:22 syllogism wrote:
Dirkzor I actually somewhat agree. Besides what you stated, I'm also wondering about Zephirdd's motives when posting those palmar PMs. Due to him being drunk and his play style sometimes being a bit erratic I probably shouldn't read too much into it, but the only reasonable explanation for quoting those PMs is to gain town cred by pointing to the fact that he asked the host questions even before the game began.

On February 23 2012 02:22 Jitsu wrote:

I could get down with a Dirkzor lynch.
- non-committal early on, staying out of the spotlight for the most part.
- says that chaoser is curious because he is "flippy floppy"
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This post makes just about zero sense to me. It's more of the same, with a bit of confusion as well. If I wanted to post something to make it look like a contribution, this would be it.

- says he can't wrap his head around this game, then two posts later, claims chaoser as his primary scumread, and adds a [weak] case about how chaoser is scum.
- doesn't even vote for chaoser, even though it's his target.

Something is up.

##vote Dirkzor

On February 23 2012 06:37 Palmar wrote:
Votecount

redFF: 7

RebirthOfLeGenD
Kitaman27
Wherebugsgo
chaoser
BloodyC0bbler
layabout
Blazinghand

BloodyC0bbler: 5

DoctorHelvetica
syllogism
risk.nuke
VisceraEyes
prplhz

Toadesstern: 1

redFF

Blazinghand: 4

Dirkzor
Tyrran
Jackal58
Toadesstern

Dirkzor: 1

Jitsu

On February 23 2012 06:40 Blazinghand wrote:
Also all you guys who think redFF shouldn't be lynched need to reconsider the split wagons between me and BC, just from a tactical perspective lol

On February 24 2012 05:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Dirkzor



[1]Unlike BH?



You called what chaoser did lying. Read the post before this one in Dirkzor's filter:


[2]You didn't call him flip flopping. You used a strong word, lying, then backed off later. I don't see what is scummy about Chaoser misreading something and then making a posting mistake because of it. That seems more town to me than anything unless he is doing some incredibly complicated roleplay where he pretends to be unaware of what's going on and play badly. I've known Chaoser to be inactive and absentminded as town before so I'm not really shocked or upset by this, I don't think anyone really should be.

[3]Dirkzor spent the remainder of his filter tunneling BH, who is probably the easiest lynch I've ever seen. He's acting like a really bad village idiot or some kind of serial killer who is just trolling to draw people out. He is definitely worth a DT or a Vig. Dirk can tunnel BH as hard as he wants and whatever BH flips doesn't matter. If he flips town everyone will agree that BH was playing really bad and would have gotten lynched or shot anyway. If he flips scum then Dirk gets some town cred. If he flips third party of some sort then Dirk gets a little bit of town cred. He can say "I was close, at least we got the SK out of the way now, it could have been worse it could have been town".

[4]Dirkzor plays very wishy washy and conservative until Kitaman27 calls him out for it.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303505&user=193595

The posts in this filter in which he is a town blue come across as far more natural, reactive, and there is clear progress in his thoughts. He doesn't ignore anybody and is pretty talkative. His posts in the Storm Mafia filter come across to me as more jilted and planned? I'm surprised he didn't call BH out on his behavior a bit before, he seems like the kind of player to try and foster a good pro-town atmosphere which he hasn't done in this game at all.

Read Kitaman27's post on him for more analysis of his early game behavior:



These are fair points. I wish Kitaman was more active but I don't remember him having a strong presence in the last game where he was town. I agree with the things he is saying here, this is the sort of thing I'm used to seeing from RoL.

On February 24 2012 13:02 prplhz wrote:
You are kind kitaman27. Probably even too kind, I made plenty of bad reads/decisions in Responsibility Mafia! and I ended up claiming scum in XLVII after being figured out by wherebugsgo, syllogism, Palmar, possibly sandroba? and probably a bunch of other people I don't really remember.

I pushed BloodyC0bbler around the time I said that so it's not true when you say that I didn't provide an alternative. I just wanted to guys to know early on that I was most likely going to switch my vote to redFF if the alternative was a no-lynch so it wouldn't cause any unnecessary panic in case I would end up doing it.

Not getting lynched is first priority for me when the townie who was making the most sense until then suddenly suggests me for lynch, especially when I was painfully aware of how bad I looked. I also thought people would be more willing to change away from redFF than they ended up being.

I was hoping I'd get ignored (yea, you're probably going to jump on that word) until I had some more confidence in my reads. I did chime in to support syllogism who I found pretty town, who has good day1 reads and probably is one of the better players in this game, stacked as it is.

On February 24 2012 14:54 prplhz wrote:
Because I'm bad. I remember you pointed this exact same thing out in Responsibility Mafia! too. While the meta is available to everybody, not everybody has it readily available to them in their memory. You don't seriously expect everybody to go read everybody else's old games when they join a game? Only a few people do that. My point is that it's a pretty valid excuse "BloodyC0bbler looks scum, and I didn't have the meta that would allow me to see that he often just looks scum as town". I'm surprised not any more scum switched to him.

While you're right that the BloodyC0bbler train picked up more steam, I don't think syllogism is scum, I think DoctorHelvetica is actually putting a ton of effort into this game, I'm not very scum, VisceraEyes looks pretty town to me. That leaves risk.nuke and Blazinghand to get the votes to 6 which BloodyC0bbler had at his wagon's highest point, also making these two scum. I've already said they both look bad and I'd be up for lynching either of them today.

On February 25 2012 12:14 Jackal58 wrote:
Is this the Kaller game?

I'm hammered and will spend the rest of the evening embarrassing myself there. This game requires thought. That one not so much.

On February 26 2012 01:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

why, it wasn't factored into the vote at all

On February 27 2012 07:30 Toadesstern wrote:

he's not supposed to. It was rhetorical and I'm just saying it looks really strange that we have not a single suspicious guy flipping because of vigs.
At least both syllo and Jackal look like mafia work.

On February 27 2012 07:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

If a vig hit Jackal I think they might as well claim so

On February 28 2012 19:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

That's not at all why I called Toad out, I don't think I even mentioned him spamming at all

On February 28 2012 12:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Why would a scum VE push you if you're also scum?

Why would a scum VE abandon the case he established on Day 2 and push you instead, if you're town? You're assuming that EVERY scum in the game MUST bandwagon you if you're town, why the fuck are you so special? Yes, it's an easy bandwagon. That doesn't lead us to a single thing except worthless speculation.

I'm not assuming WBG is town either btw

You've done a good job of diverting the conversation into something totally useless. Unless anyone else in the game is dumb enough to think you're making a point I'm going to ignore this line of conversation now.

Have any interest in establishing why YOU are innocent or why we should lynch someone other than you or VE and who that is? Your whole play right not will accomplish nothing except maybe:

1. Setting yourself up to get bussed and then buddies push a town-VE lynch Day 3
2. Preventing VE from getting lynched. By the way, VE never "defended" you literally all he did was make a case on somebody other than you.
3. Creates useless confusing conversation in town, distracts from lurkers etc.

Hey, by Toades' logic, all you have to do to be 100% proven confirmed town is to push a lynch OTHER than Toadesstern. This proves you are townie, so everyone go ahead and confirm themselves so we can find all the scum!

On February 28 2012 23:32 Jitsu wrote:
There is so much anti-town shit going up in here.

Dirkzor, according to you, Dr.H has so nothing in the past eight hours.



















I just copy and pasted the entire last page to you're filter. It was painful, but I did it anyway.

Save the last two posts (which are attacking a player who is actively contributing to the town) you have given us absolutely nothing.
Nothing.

All of the shit near the top is fluff. You are speculating (much like I was) but you were building on it. Trying to take off with it and run, and push it deeper into the ground. Looking back, I was lost and trying to contribute to the thread somehow, but you try to almost ENCOURAGE this kind of shit, and make it look like you are at least trying to contribute.

Then, when the speculation is over, you stop and disappear.

Then you post a fucking Q&A that leads you to the conclusion that you have a null read on DrH. But, the point of the entire thing is to discredit whatever DrH is saying.

wat

Then later on, you do the same thing, only more boldly. You actually vote for him. With a shoddy case at that.

Probably with the worst reasoning possible in my book. Because his filter is long?? You're case is actually based on the fact that his filter...is long. In his "Q&A" he says that he can't get a read on DrH. Then 4 votes later, posts that he thinks that DocH is scum and wants him dead.

I asked DrH is he thought that Toades and Dirkzor could be mafia together. I find it a bit humerous that as DrH is attacking Toad, Toad is sitting here defending himself and trying to look at other people...while Dirkzor comes in and tries to discredit and actually votes to lynch DrH.

Chainsaw Defense much?

Toades
Dirkzor

On February 29 2012 05:18 Tyrran wrote:
Okay, so mafia likely has 2 KP, because i dont think any player here is stupid enough to vig shot syllo. Also, with RoL getting modkilled, i moved my vote to prplhz.

On February 29 2012 04:19 Kurumi wrote:
This game is dominated by scum deciding which lynch and when. Sad.

On March 01 2012 18:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm dead soon? If you kill me we lose this game. I'm saying WBG is scum and when he flips I very much want to lynch layabout. Don't be stupid and jump the gun.