Depending on when you start I would like to join. I haven't played in 2 games
hmm...
can I /in for now? As a newer player =)
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Depending on when you start I would like to join. I haven't played in 2 games hmm... can I /in for now? As a newer player =) | ||
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/in properly and join this awesome game! | ||
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On February 20 2012 19:34 prplhz wrote: HHAHAHAAH! | ||
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The positive part is that I already have something to critisize... Good job on starting discussion. | ||
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What a shit storm. While I agree with VE that spamming not particularly pro town, I think its far to early to vote on anyone for that reason. Also because its anti town does not mean its scum... And I would much rather kill scum then anti town players. | ||
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Kita's vote on (policy?) Tyrran while attacking Toad for defending Tyrran while attacking RedFF for his history regarding policy lynches and then unvoting Tyrran to vote RedFF is weird. Don't know what I should think about it. I like that you can argue with someone while still having the same opinion but this just looks way to double sided. I see no scummyness from Chaoser's town read on VE. Other people have done similarly things in this game. But chaoser as a whole is a bit flip floppy... | ||
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I can't wrap my head around this game. Right now I not certain of anything and thus is posting meek and useless shit. I know this. Been reading through filters but nothing really stands out to me (other then the stuff i posted earlier). I went to bed just as the games started last night and woke up to 8 pages of mudslinging. If I had to point at one player to lynch it would be chaoser. His post are just a wee bit to "jumping whoever everyone else think is scum" for me. He seems overly defensive. Can't make a real case since I'm at work. | ||
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On February 22 2012 03:44 layabout wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2012 02:39 Dirkzor wrote: I'll give my honest opinion so far... I can't wrap my head around this game. Right now I not certain of anything and thus is posting meek and useless shit. I know this. Been reading through filters but nothing really stands out to me (other then the stuff i posted earlier). I went to bed just as the games started last night and woke up to 8 pages of mudslinging. If I had to point at one player to lynch it would be chaoser. His post are just a wee bit to "jumping whoever everyone else think is scum" for me. He seems overly defensive. Can't make a real case since I'm at work. I honestly cannot beleive that we are a good 20 hours into the game and you have not even found 3+ scum. These excuses are beyond weak, and are far from what i have come to expect from Dirkzor the townie. In other news if anyone has any more shit to fling i would ask that you hold it like a man, or fling it quick so that we can clean ourselves up and catch scum. I am curious about Jackals apparent attempt to "start a bandwagon" by calling toad scum and not elaborating. For me the the town motivation for doing that would be to provoke reactions from players that he could analyse and perhaps find scum. For instance if somebody were to sheep him for no real reason, they would be more likely to be scum (since a townie shouldn't do that but getting away with a sheep vote would be good for mafia). I think that such an action is unnecessary as town but beneficial as Mafia. My problem with this play is that + Show Spoiler + I hate calling people scum for no reason, since it can convince players that people are mafia despite the complete absence of evidence. It is comparable to publicly announcing your town reads on day1, giving mafia additional reasons to shoot at players that you think are town or exploit your read(s) to manipulate you He could have been trying to get Toad lynched based off of nothing, by attempting to create a dumb bandwagon when the game had barely begun. This is all jackal has done (although we are not far in and he has a tendency to lurk) other than add to the childish bickering/insult hurling so far. Wat? I'm glad you have that big confidence in my ability as town but I can't magicly make me notice scum... I notice what I notice when I notice it. And when I do I post it. So far this game I got jack. Jackal seems to be himself. Last/only 2 times I've played with him he was scum and posted exactly like this. Never seen his town play so I don't know but people says he is hard to read either way. | ||
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The first 3 posts was bad. And i said they were. That was the critisism. Nothing more. I was trying to be sarcastic but i clearly failed. | ||
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Read the whole case and chaoser defence here. Below is the end of that post. On February 22 2012 04:48 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + Yeah I agree with you and kita that redFF looked weird but that swap was so out of the blue. One moment he's supporting red and his policy lynch and the next moment it's on redFF? Once again, not a random swap, once I acknowledged that I misread VE and DrH's posts, I realized VE is 100% correct in not only calling out redFF but also saw that redFF was misrepresenting facts (one of the reasons why I misread/switched VE and DrH's post) Add in his bullshit defense and the vote was justified. So it was AFTER you realized you had misread that you changed your vote? Not quite. + Show Spoiler + On February 21 2012 08:56 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2012 08:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 21 2012 08:29 chaoser wrote: On February 21 2012 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 21 2012 08:19 redFF wrote: PEOPLE PEOPLE PEOPLE The game has been going on for an hour, my suggestion of a policy lynch does not mean I don't want anyone to scumhunt. It's an excellent way to generate discussion, which it has. VE's post is hypocritical because he's calling me scum for pushing a policy lynch when he himself was pushing a policy lynch up until that post, when it arbitrarily became a scum lynch. Consider him my first moderately scummy read. You're better than this. He never ever said your PL position was bad, but that you are spammy. Please read posts before you start OMGUSing. Considering you have time to spam you should have time to read. And you need to read better. red is saying VE's vote on him was him pushing for a policy lynch while at the same time he is criticizing him for pushing a policy lynch on tyrran. Re: Spammy RedFF Never fails to live up to expectations. Red you really don't have to comment on every little thing with a 1-liner response. My PL on you stands until I get a scum-read on someone. That is a big problem. Care to respond VE? No, it's not a problem. I disagree with the policy lynch in general but I really don't see how VE is contradicting himself at all. Supporting a policy lynch does not mean you can't be critical of RedFF posting a lot of one liners and talking about it/defending it so vehemently. He isn't accusing of redFF for being scum for supporting a PL anyway, or even for "pushing" it. He never said those words. It's an invented case. I'm voting for red. VE said he was voting for red as a policy lynch. He then criticizes red, not for his one liners, but by saying: Show nested quote + Putting votes on inactive townies/policy lynches generates almost no real pressure on a player over whether or not they are scum but only creates arguments over whether or not a policy lynch is justified. That is a direct criticism of red's policy lynch push on tyrran. Show nested quote + He isn't accusing of redFF for being scum for supporting a PL anyway, or even for "pushing" it. He never said those words. It's an invented case. I never said that he accused redFF of being scum for supporting a PL, I'm only saying that he's criticizing redFF of doing something that he himself did as well (Putting votes on a policy lynch). That point is factual. At the same time, I understand the nuanced subtle difference between the two given VE's immediate switch from policy lynch to scum-read. That's just good pressure play. Either way, I want to clarify what actually happened so as to not misrepresent the situation. Show nested quote + On February 21 2012 08:40 redFF wrote: Nothing I've done is scummy and this is not going to get off the ground so enjoy your lonely wagon ve and drh. lol, this is scummy as fuck. ##vote: redFF In that post you are still arguing with VE/DrH about whether or not VE was being a hypocrite or not. Also in that post you vote for RedFF. Next post: On February 21 2012 09:05 chaoser wrote: Also, your unvote of tyrran was pretty bad redFF and seemed extremely defensive. His post wasn't a good enough post to un-pressure vote. I would never get off him from my vote because his post was NOT good. You seems to have changed your mind about RedFF here. Next: On February 21 2012 09:08 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2012 09:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Why are you lumping up DocH's posts with mine? I didn't criticize red for his vote on Tyrran at all. Come on chaoser... Oh lol, my bad. I went back to check and indeed you did not say that. My fault. sorry lol This is were you realize something is wrong and you quoted the wrong dude. Some few post later: On February 21 2012 10:33 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2012 09:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Ho boy, the thread died fast. That worries me a little, but that could just be paranoia. chaoser - so by your correction and apology, should I assume that you're no longer agreeing with red's assessment that I'm being a hypocrite? kitaman27 - what are your thoughts on chaoser? Jackal, BC, syllo, WBG, you guys care to weigh in on this? I mean, it's early but I'd have expected to hear what an idiot I am at least twice between those 4 players. yes. i take it back, i misread. I dunno why WBG is buddying me though. I think I'm playing decently well though, but I think you're doing better (aka I think you're townine ATM). Now that the mixup have been cleared VE is suddenly a player doing good. While I admit that its not a huge issue I don't understand why you would lie about it? Why not just "I thought VE was being a hypocrite but then RedFF's posting turned to shit so I voted him. Later i realized I was wrong and VE was right." | ||
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I called what Kita did double sided. I called what you did flip floppy. Basicly the same thing. And how can you compare my posts that was done 5-15 in into the game with someone made 12 hours later? You say that I don't take side. That is correct because I found both sides stupid and none of them particularly more scummy then then other. | ||
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I'm getting tired of argueing useless stuff with you chaoser. | ||
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WBG apparently wants to de-friend everyone in the game and is doing a good job so far. Blazinghand is being to quite this game and his post are much shorter then they usually are. I know he have wanted to post less then he did his first games but his post usually don't lack this much substance. I would say BH is a good lynch candidate. I haven't read his filter in detail but I will later. Also he haven't used thw word "hustle" at all this game - maybe he is the one doing the hustling? And yes I still think chaoser is a bit scummy, Jitsu. (Should have been clear when I said he was my lynch target) | ||
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I just think that lynching him will provide next to nothing going forward so I would rather lynch someone else.. | ||
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All he have done the entire game is trying to start wagons. His votes have been going like this: RedFF -> Tyrran -> RoL -> RedFF His first vote on RedFF was when chaoser pointed out how silly RedFF's unvote of Tyrran was. BH sheeped that opinion and voted. He votes Tyrran with almost no reason. But note that it is after Toad brought him up by saying "I have troubling figuring him [Tyrran] out" Then he votes RoL after RedFF points out that RoL have been very inactive so far and VE says it was a good catch by RedFF. Lastly he votes RedFF again. This was after his claim and his vote was the 4th or 5th vote on RedFF. Read this post and the next 5 posts. He votes. Ve points of the wagon is forming to easy. He instantly agrees. WBG calls him out on it and he says that even if a wagon is forming easy the target [RedFF] can still be scum... wat? I jsut haven't seen an origional thought out of BH yet. Something he is very capable of doing. He ahve posted 1 liners most of the time (or very short posts). He haven't been in any argument over some useless shit that he usually does. Seems to me like he is holding back. ##Vote Blazinghand | ||
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On February 22 2012 21:22 syllogism wrote: Dirkzor I actually somewhat agree. Besides what you stated, I'm also wondering about Zephirdd's motives when posting those palmar PMs. Due to him being drunk and his play style sometimes being a bit erratic I probably shouldn't read too much into it, but the only reasonable explanation for quoting those PMs is to gain town cred by pointing to the fact that he asked the host questions even before the game began. I have not put much thought into whast Zephirdd did. You tend to do stuff slightly different when drunk. What seems like a bad idea sober is usually the most epic idea when drunk. | ||
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But what do you do now? Call me bad at mafia. My case is not bad. Its spot on. Why not try to argue your way out of it instead of just dismissing it? | ||
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On February 23 2012 02:22 Jitsu wrote: I could get down with a Dirkzor lynch. - non-committal early on, staying out of the spotlight for the most part. - says that chaoser is curious because he is "flippy floppy" - Show nested quote + On February 21 2012 18:44 Dirkzor wrote: RedFF's fast unvote of Tyrran was weird after he had pushed and defended his policy lynch so much. Kita's vote on (policy?) Tyrran while attacking Toad for defending Tyrran while attacking RedFF for his history regarding policy lynches and then unvoting Tyrran to vote RedFF is weird. Don't know what I should think about it. I like that you can argue with someone while still having the same opinion but this just looks way to double sided. I see no scummyness from Chaoser's town read on VE. Other people have done similarly things in this game. But chaoser as a whole is a bit flip floppy... This post makes just about zero sense to me. It's more of the same, with a bit of confusion as well. If I wanted to post something to make it look like a contribution, this would be it. - says he can't wrap his head around this game, then two posts later, claims chaoser as his primary scumread, and adds a [weak] case about how chaoser is scum. - doesn't even vote for chaoser, even though it's his target. Something is up. ##vote Dirkzor Yeah I was out of the spotlight in the beginning.. I made 2 posts and went to sleep and woke up to 8 pages of shitstorm and mudslinging which I didn't know what do with. I wrote a short post about small things i had noticed because I wanted to contribute. People pushed me on this post and called it non committal (which it was because I wasn't sure). So I posted saying that I would lynch chaoser since he was the one of the 3 that I thought was most scummy. I did not vote because I wasn't sure. I still have chaoser on my "to watch" list. But on not screaming "SCUM" from the top of my lungs - I'm not sure! I am however pretty sure about Blazinghand. Thus why I voted for him. | ||
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I'm still want BH to hang. I think my case on him was pretty solid and he have done NOTHING to convince me otherwise. I'll read up on BC now and the posts made against him. (It is Syllo, prp and who else who have made cases on him?) | ||
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I've read BC filter and Lay's case. I don't particularly find BC's filter scummy. He havent done anything townie though. He have been indifferent. Yes he is a better lynch then RedFF since he is a non-issue until he returns. The best lynch today is still BH! GO vote for him! | ||
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And to be precise we have 3 wagons. RedFF Bloodyc0bble -------------->Blazinghand <-------------- RedFF is a non-issue. He don't want to play anymore. If he returns we can take the discussion again. There are argument for and against keeping him alive even if he is scum. Bloodyc0bble is gone. He don't care. He is indifferent. He have been a target for some time now but he don't want to defend himself. Okayish lynch. Blazinghand is so far of his meta and have been sheeping thought troughout the game. He is the best lynch today and everyone should vote him. | ||
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You have a point that I'm giving RedFF a free pass. It was never meant to be "never lynch RedFF until he post". Merely a way to get people to vote where I want them, BH. I will of course reevalutate my position on RedFF as the game goes on but right now I don't think he is a good lynch. | ||
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On February 23 2012 06:37 Palmar wrote: Votecount redFF: 7 RebirthOfLeGenD Kitaman27 Wherebugsgo chaoser BloodyC0bbler layabout Blazinghand BloodyC0bbler: 5 DoctorHelvetica syllogism risk.nuke VisceraEyes prplhz Toadesstern: 1 redFF Blazinghand: 4 Dirkzor Tyrran Jackal58 Toadesstern Dirkzor: 1 Jitsu This is the standing right now | ||
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On February 23 2012 06:40 Blazinghand wrote: Also all you guys who think redFF shouldn't be lynched need to reconsider the split wagons between me and BC, just from a tactical perspective lol Its to late for hidden messages. Say what you want instead of writing riddles. | ||
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Risk you are around?!? Any thought instead of just voting BC?! | ||
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Lay? DrH? BC? Risk? | ||
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I also don't like that risk come swinging in from the left votes BC and then leaves... | ||
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Íts 6/6/4 in votes now. We can still hang BH. | ||
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On February 24 2012 05:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Dirkzor [1]Unlike BH? Show nested quote + On February 22 2012 06:01 Dirkzor wrote: @Chaoser now you're just argueing semantics... I called what Kita did double sided. I called what you did flip floppy. Basicly the same thing. And how can you compare my posts that was done 5-15 in into the game with someone made 12 hours later? You say that I don't take side. That is correct because I found both sides stupid and none of them particularly more scummy then then other. You called what chaoser did lying. Read the post before this one in Dirkzor's filter: Show nested quote + On February 22 2012 05:56 Dirkzor wrote: I want to continue on Toad's case on Chaoser. Because Chaoser is lying! Read the whole case and chaoser defence here. Below is the end of that post. On February 22 2012 04:48 chaoser wrote: Yeah I agree with you and kita that redFF looked weird but that swap was so out of the blue. One moment he's supporting red and his policy lynch and the next moment it's on redFF? Once again, not a random swap, once I acknowledged that I misread VE and DrH's posts, I realized VE is 100% correct in not only calling out redFF but also saw that redFF was misrepresenting facts (one of the reasons why I misread/switched VE and DrH's post) Add in his bullshit defense and the vote was justified. So it was AFTER you realized you had misread that you changed your vote? Not quite. + Show Spoiler + On February 21 2012 08:56 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2012 08:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 21 2012 08:29 chaoser wrote: On February 21 2012 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 21 2012 08:19 redFF wrote: PEOPLE PEOPLE PEOPLE The game has been going on for an hour, my suggestion of a policy lynch does not mean I don't want anyone to scumhunt. It's an excellent way to generate discussion, which it has. VE's post is hypocritical because he's calling me scum for pushing a policy lynch when he himself was pushing a policy lynch up until that post, when it arbitrarily became a scum lynch. Consider him my first moderately scummy read. You're better than this. He never ever said your PL position was bad, but that you are spammy. Please read posts before you start OMGUSing. Considering you have time to spam you should have time to read. And you need to read better. red is saying VE's vote on him was him pushing for a policy lynch while at the same time he is criticizing him for pushing a policy lynch on tyrran. Re: Spammy RedFF Never fails to live up to expectations. Red you really don't have to comment on every little thing with a 1-liner response. My PL on you stands until I get a scum-read on someone. That is a big problem. Care to respond VE? No, it's not a problem. I disagree with the policy lynch in general but I really don't see how VE is contradicting himself at all. Supporting a policy lynch does not mean you can't be critical of RedFF posting a lot of one liners and talking about it/defending it so vehemently. He isn't accusing of redFF for being scum for supporting a PL anyway, or even for "pushing" it. He never said those words. It's an invented case. I'm voting for red. VE said he was voting for red as a policy lynch. He then criticizes red, not for his one liners, but by saying: Show nested quote + Putting votes on inactive townies/policy lynches generates almost no real pressure on a player over whether or not they are scum but only creates arguments over whether or not a policy lynch is justified. That is a direct criticism of red's policy lynch push on tyrran. Show nested quote + He isn't accusing of redFF for being scum for supporting a PL anyway, or even for "pushing" it. He never said those words. It's an invented case. I never said that he accused redFF of being scum for supporting a PL, I'm only saying that he's criticizing redFF of doing something that he himself did as well (Putting votes on a policy lynch). That point is factual. At the same time, I understand the nuanced subtle difference between the two given VE's immediate switch from policy lynch to scum-read. That's just good pressure play. Either way, I want to clarify what actually happened so as to not misrepresent the situation. Show nested quote + On February 21 2012 08:40 redFF wrote: Nothing I've done is scummy and this is not going to get off the ground so enjoy your lonely wagon ve and drh. lol, this is scummy as fuck. ##vote: redFF In that post you are still arguing with VE/DrH about whether or not VE was being a hypocrite or not. Also in that post you vote for RedFF. Next post: On February 21 2012 09:05 chaoser wrote: Also, your unvote of tyrran was pretty bad redFF and seemed extremely defensive. His post wasn't a good enough post to un-pressure vote. I would never get off him from my vote because his post was NOT good. You seems to have changed your mind about RedFF here. Next: On February 21 2012 09:08 chaoser wrote: On February 21 2012 09:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Why are you lumping up DocH's posts with mine? I didn't criticize red for his vote on Tyrran at all. Come on chaoser... Oh lol, my bad. I went back to check and indeed you did not say that. My fault. sorry lol This is were you realize something is wrong and you quoted the wrong dude. Some few post later: On February 21 2012 10:33 chaoser wrote: On February 21 2012 09:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Ho boy, the thread died fast. That worries me a little, but that could just be paranoia. chaoser - so by your correction and apology, should I assume that you're no longer agreeing with red's assessment that I'm being a hypocrite? kitaman27 - what are your thoughts on chaoser? Jackal, BC, syllo, WBG, you guys care to weigh in on this? I mean, it's early but I'd have expected to hear what an idiot I am at least twice between those 4 players. yes. i take it back, i misread. I dunno why WBG is buddying me though. I think I'm playing decently well though, but I think you're doing better (aka I think you're townine ATM). Now that the mixup have been cleared VE is suddenly a player doing good. While I admit that its not a huge issue I don't understand why you would lie about it? Why not just "I thought VE was being a hypocrite but then RedFF's posting turned to shit so I voted him. Later i realized I was wrong and VE was right." [2]You didn't call him flip flopping. You used a strong word, lying, then backed off later. I don't see what is scummy about Chaoser misreading something and then making a posting mistake because of it. That seems more town to me than anything unless he is doing some incredibly complicated roleplay where he pretends to be unaware of what's going on and play badly. I've known Chaoser to be inactive and absentminded as town before so I'm not really shocked or upset by this, I don't think anyone really should be. [3]Dirkzor spent the remainder of his filter tunneling BH, who is probably the easiest lynch I've ever seen. He's acting like a really bad village idiot or some kind of serial killer who is just trolling to draw people out. He is definitely worth a DT or a Vig. Dirk can tunnel BH as hard as he wants and whatever BH flips doesn't matter. If he flips town everyone will agree that BH was playing really bad and would have gotten lynched or shot anyway. If he flips scum then Dirk gets some town cred. If he flips third party of some sort then Dirk gets a little bit of town cred. He can say "I was close, at least we got the SK out of the way now, it could have been worse it could have been town". [4]Dirkzor plays very wishy washy and conservative until Kitaman27 calls him out for it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303505&user=193595 The posts in this filter in which he is a town blue come across as far more natural, reactive, and there is clear progress in his thoughts. He doesn't ignore anybody and is pretty talkative. His posts in the Storm Mafia filter come across to me as more jilted and planned? I'm surprised he didn't call BH out on his behavior a bit before, he seems like the kind of player to try and foster a good pro-town atmosphere which he hasn't done in this game at all. Read Kitaman27's post on him for more analysis of his early game behavior: Show nested quote + On February 22 2012 12:23 kitaman27 wrote: Dang it, I'm a sucker for blue claims. Funny to see the votes pile up on red after the claim, rather than before. On one hand, a mafia player who is set to die should always be claiming blue, but on the other, his claim ties up a potential roleblocker. Tracker is a tricky claim because even confirming it doesn't necessarily mean he isn't a mafia stalker or something. I'll be keeping my vote on him for the moment. Now to everyone else: I've enjoyed comedy hour with Jackal, but his filter is completely void of content. Not a single post showing he isn't just along for the ride. Toad appears to be going through post-Arkham depression or something. A lot of fluff and he isn't very willing to share his reads. On February 22 2012 11:14 prplhz wrote: Okay I don't think that redFF is scum because he's been pretty out there. The scummiest he has done in my opinion is his claim which was oddly timed. Right now he's a terribly easy lynch, because we'll have to lynch him at some point. I'd like to see wherebugsgo explain how everything redFF has done can be explained by scum motivation and can not be explained by town motivation. The worst thing about this whole redFF thing is that the lynch is so easy that everybody can just pile onto him and then the day is kinda ruined, we aren't going to find anybody else. I don't think that redFF is scum because he's just been putting himself too much in the line of fire. On February 22 2012 11:14 prplhz wrote: I'll vote redFF to avoid no lynch. I kinda assume that this is an extended majority lynch where we can end up in a no lynch sitaution, but the OP doesn't really say anything about that. But like, redFF probably isn't scum, come on. There's also plenty good in having him around since scum can't role block anybody else no matter redFF's alignment. The lynch today comes down to "We very likely have to lynch redFF at some point, should it be today or do we have something better?". Right now, I think it's too early to say. These two statements by prpl completely contradict each other. You argue how you don't think red is scum, but you're willing to vote him to avoid no lynch? How does that make sense? If you're going to argue that he really is blue, then of course a no lynch would be more beneficial. How about push a different lynch if red isn't your priority? This is really poor from him. I know I already picked on Dirkzor for his language, but I'm going to do it again. On February 21 2012 07:03 Dirkzor wrote: The positive part is that I already have something to critisize... Good job on starting discussion. "Hey guys. Look at me and my protown attitude!" On February 22 2012 02:39 Dirkzor wrote: I'll give my honest opinion so far... Only scum say this. On February 22 2012 05:03 Dirkzor wrote: Wat? I'm glad you have that big confidence in my ability as town but I can't magicly make me notice scum... I notice what I notice when I notice it. And when I do I post it. So far this game I got jack. Lack of aggression and confidence. These are fair points. I wish Kitaman was more active but I don't remember him having a strong presence in the last game where he was town. I agree with the things he is saying here, this is the sort of thing I'm used to seeing from RoL. [1]Yes RoL was an easy lynch yesterday compared to BH. BH was active and posting but still incredibly useless. There was actually post to read from BH where the only thing we had on RoL was the lack of posting, which imo is not much day1. Since RoL still havent posted (only 1 post saying he will post later the case on him is now stronger). [2]I did call Chaoser a liar. But I didn't "back down" My post after that was a response to chaoser post one me (clicky). So it was not a continuation of my case but a response to a post made before my case. I wanted to see his reaction to me calling him a liar. He did respond calmly and said it was a mistake. Nothing bad there. I havent pushed him since and I don't intend to. [3]You agree that my case on BH have some merits but at the same call me scum for making said case. Wat? BH have played very poorly so far. His actions on day2 have only proved me right (will go into that in another post). This doesn't really make sense for me. I actually think my case on BH was really good. It was original, clear and with substance. Whether he flips town/scum/3rd party doesn't really matter since my case was good = good town play. [4]I've already covered this. I had no read and no clue in the beginning. Thus my meek and poor posting. But I think I've changed it around with my posting before lynch time. | ||
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BH have still not have an original thought of his own. Mimicking others case on BC and vote him. Then de-vote him instantly when BC makes 1 post to defend himself. He votes for Risk.nuke which WBG pointed out is useless and other then that he have posted a lot but he haven't really done anything worthwhile. I just know that BH can play way way better then this but he apparently chooses not to. He may very well be the role where you win if you get lynched (is that village idiot?). Not sure if a lynch on him would ake us take advantage of our lynch or just waste it. | ||
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On February 24 2012 13:02 prplhz wrote: You are kind kitaman27. Probably even too kind, I made plenty of bad reads/decisions in Responsibility Mafia! and I ended up claiming scum in XLVII after being figured out by wherebugsgo, syllogism, Palmar, possibly sandroba? and probably a bunch of other people I don't really remember. I pushed BloodyC0bbler around the time I said that so it's not true when you say that I didn't provide an alternative. I just wanted to guys to know early on that I was most likely going to switch my vote to redFF if the alternative was a no-lynch so it wouldn't cause any unnecessary panic in case I would end up doing it. Not getting lynched is first priority for me when the townie who was making the most sense until then suddenly suggests me for lynch, especially when I was painfully aware of how bad I looked. I also thought people would be more willing to change away from redFF than they ended up being. I was hoping I'd get ignored (yea, you're probably going to jump on that word) until I had some more confidence in my reads. I did chime in to support syllogism who I found pretty town, who has good day1 reads and probably is one of the better players in this game, stacked as it is. On February 24 2012 14:54 prplhz wrote: Because I'm bad. I remember you pointed this exact same thing out in Responsibility Mafia! too. While the meta is available to everybody, not everybody has it readily available to them in their memory. You don't seriously expect everybody to go read everybody else's old games when they join a game? Only a few people do that. My point is that it's a pretty valid excuse "BloodyC0bbler looks scum, and I didn't have the meta that would allow me to see that he often just looks scum as town". I'm surprised not any more scum switched to him. While you're right that the BloodyC0bbler train picked up more steam, I don't think syllogism is scum, I think DoctorHelvetica is actually putting a ton of effort into this game, I'm not very scum, VisceraEyes looks pretty town to me. That leaves risk.nuke and Blazinghand to get the votes to 6 which BloodyC0bbler had at his wagon's highest point, also making these two scum. I've already said they both look bad and I'd be up for lynching either of them today. Why are you downplayer your abilities prplhz? Seems scummy to me. Combined with "I was hoping I'd get ignored (yea, you're probably going to jump on that word) until I had some more confidence in my reads" (yes i'm jumping it) it sound like you just want to lurk and it was a pain for you to get called out on it. | ||
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On February 25 2012 12:14 Jackal58 wrote: Is this the Kaller game? I'm hammered and will spend the rest of the evening embarrassing myself there. This game requires thought. That one not so much. Might aswell be Kaller game the way people are acting. ##Vote Blazinghand Even though his posting have improved during day 2 he is still much worse then he can be. He is scum. | ||
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On February 26 2012 01:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 25 2012 19:13 Dirkzor wrote: Shit I actually believe that claim =/ (haven't reread though) why, it wasn't factored into the vote at all What do you mean? I was talking about BH's claim. What vote? My vote? It was just my gut feeling when I read it the first time.. | ||
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If I had time (I haven't) I would go back and check if his claim to change his vote around so that no one would see that he had a double vote was for real. I don't know much I can be online tonight since I'm at a friend. I'm keeping my vote in BH since he is/was acting scummy and a 2 vote role can be either scum or town. | ||
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On February 27 2012 07:30 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2012 07:23 layabout wrote: Toad, how could he answer your question? he's not supposed to. It was rhetorical and I'm just saying it looks really strange that we have not a single suspicious guy flipping because of vigs. At least both syllo and Jackal look like mafia work. I disagree: Jackal could very well have been a Town vig... Jackal is hard to read and he havent really been Mr. Helpful. | ||
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On February 27 2012 07:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2012 07:47 Dirkzor wrote: On February 27 2012 07:30 Toadesstern wrote: On February 27 2012 07:23 layabout wrote: Toad, how could he answer your question? he's not supposed to. It was rhetorical and I'm just saying it looks really strange that we have not a single suspicious guy flipping because of vigs. At least both syllo and Jackal look like mafia work. I disagree: Jackal could very well have been a Town vig... Jackal is hard to read and he havent really been Mr. Helpful. If a vig hit Jackal I think they might as well claim so Agree. My point was basicly that I can't find a reason for scum to shoot jackal so I think it was a town hit. | ||
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Q: Is DrH's filter long? A: There is not a precise answer to that. That depends on game length, game type and what you define as long. But the purpose of this Q&A the answer would be: Yes. 6 pages and counting. Q: Have DrH called anyone scum? A: Yes. As a matter of fact he have. Q: How many have he called scum? A: Let me see... *counting counting* Lets say more then a handful. Q: Have DrH made cases for any of these so called scum players? A: Oh yes. He very much have. He have made 3 big ones at least. On RoL, Dirk and VE. Q: Have DrH actively pushed for a lynch for any of these people. A: No. Q: Why not? If he think they are scum why not try to convince others so they'll hang? A: No one knows. DrH works alone and in mysterious ways. It would be normal town play to do so. Q: Is he scum himself then? A: What a observant questioneer. He might. | ||
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First you tried with Tyrran and no one supported you so now you want to lynch chaoser? | ||
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On February 28 2012 19:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 19:14 Dirkzor wrote: While I was sleeping DrH have accomplished to add 2-3 more page to his filter without saying anything. He have called 6+ player scummy but made no cases or really pushed for their lynch. He called out toad for cluttering up the thread but continued to do so himself the same way he have done earlier. ##Vote DrH That's not at all why I called Toad out, I don't think I even mentioned him spamming at all On February 28 2012 12:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Why would a scum VE push you if you're also scum? Why would a scum VE abandon the case he established on Day 2 and push you instead, if you're town? You're assuming that EVERY scum in the game MUST bandwagon you if you're town, why the fuck are you so special? Yes, it's an easy bandwagon. That doesn't lead us to a single thing except worthless speculation. I'm not assuming WBG is town either btw You've done a good job of diverting the conversation into something totally useless. Unless anyone else in the game is dumb enough to think you're making a point I'm going to ignore this line of conversation now. Have any interest in establishing why YOU are innocent or why we should lynch someone other than you or VE and who that is? Your whole play right not will accomplish nothing except maybe: 1. Setting yourself up to get bussed and then buddies push a town-VE lynch Day 3 2. Preventing VE from getting lynched. By the way, VE never "defended" you literally all he did was make a case on somebody other than you. 3. Creates useless confusing conversation in town, distracts from lurkers etc. Hey, by Toades' logic, all you have to do to be 100% proven confirmed town is to push a lynch OTHER than Toadesstern. This proves you are townie, so everyone go ahead and confirm themselves so we can find all the scum! The exact same points can be made of you in my opinion. | ||
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Yes you have pushed Toad. You called him many bad things. I agree that most of toads argumentation regarding "WBG is scum because WBG doesn't think like a townie would" are bad logic and you were right to point it out. But you have NOT pushed for his lynch. Point out 1 post of yours where you are trying to convince others that Toad is scum? | ||
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When did I admit that you made any case the last 8 hours? I have not. I said that you haven't done anything the last 8+ hours. That include making cases, pushing your scumreads for lynch and generate a good town atmosphere. I combined this with my Q&A earlier where I also noted that you haven't really pushed this game forward in any way. You have just stated a few reads and then just followed the current to lynch. I said you have pushed toad. But you have NOT pushed to get him lynched. Thats two completely different things.You haven't even stated in this thread that you are voting for him? Why not? Would that not be a perfect way to try to get others to vote for him aswell? I couldn't care less about the actual points of your "case" (which i can't see. You just been shooting down his poor logic and reasoning) on toad since thats not what I'm pointing out here. Reason I brought up that one point is because its true about you aswell. What I'm pointing out is that you are not pushing any agenda. Not scum, not your own and not town. You're just here. | ||
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On February 28 2012 23:32 Jitsu wrote: There is so much anti-town shit going up in here. Dirkzor, according to you, Dr.H has so nothing in the past eight hours. Show nested quote + On February 27 2012 08:10 Dirkzor wrote: On February 27 2012 07:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 27 2012 07:47 Dirkzor wrote: On February 27 2012 07:30 Toadesstern wrote: On February 27 2012 07:23 layabout wrote: Toad, how could he answer your question? he's not supposed to. It was rhetorical and I'm just saying it looks really strange that we have not a single suspicious guy flipping because of vigs. At least both syllo and Jackal look like mafia work. I disagree: Jackal could very well have been a Town vig... Jackal is hard to read and he havent really been Mr. Helpful. If a vig hit Jackal I think they might as well claim so Agree. My point was basicly that I can't find a reason for scum to shoot jackal so I think it was a town hit. Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 02:35 Dirkzor wrote: Only private? I was sergeant in real life =/ Is that list in order of who lurks the most? Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 06:10 Dirkzor wrote: I'll do a short Q&A for you guys. Q: Is DrH's filter long? A: There is not a precise answer to that. That depends on game length, game type and what you define as long. But the purpose of this Q&A the answer would be: Yes. 6 pages and counting. Q: Have DrH called anyone scum? A: Yes. As a matter of fact he have. Q: How many have he called scum? A: Let me see... *counting counting* Lets say more then a handful. Q: Have DrH made cases for any of these so called scum players? A: Oh yes. He very much have. He have made 3 big ones at least. On RoL, Dirk and VE. Q: Have DrH actively pushed for a lynch for any of these people. A: No. Q: Why not? If he think they are scum why not try to convince others so they'll hang? A: No one knows. DrH works alone and in mysterious ways. It would be normal town play to do so. Q: Is he scum himself then? A: What a observant questioneer. He might. Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 18:47 Dirkzor wrote: Prplhz why do you want to remove focus from the players who are currently lynchtargets? First you tried with Tyrran and no one supported you so now you want to lynch chaoser? Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 19:04 Dirkzor wrote: You're inconsistent. You say that we should be able to get a decent read. Then you say you can't see any of them as scum. Are they all town then? Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 19:14 Dirkzor wrote: While I was sleeping DrH have accomplished to add 2-3 more page to his filter without saying anything. He have called 6+ player scummy but made no cases or really pushed for their lynch. He called out toad for cluttering up the thread but continued to do so himself the same way he have done earlier. ##Vote DrH I just copy and pasted the entire last page to you're filter. It was painful, but I did it anyway. Save the last two posts (which are attacking a player who is actively contributing to the town) you have given us absolutely nothing. Nothing. All of the shit near the top is fluff. You are speculating (much like I was) but you were building on it. Trying to take off with it and run, and push it deeper into the ground. Looking back, I was lost and trying to contribute to the thread somehow, but you try to almost ENCOURAGE this kind of shit, and make it look like you are at least trying to contribute. Then, when the speculation is over, you stop and disappear. Then you post a fucking Q&A that leads you to the conclusion that you have a null read on DrH. But, the point of the entire thing is to discredit whatever DrH is saying. wat Then later on, you do the same thing, only more boldly. You actually vote for him. With a shoddy case at that. Probably with the worst reasoning possible in my book. Because his filter is long?? You're case is actually based on the fact that his filter...is long. In his "Q&A" he says that he can't get a read on DrH. Then 4 votes later, posts that he thinks that DocH is scum and wants him dead. I asked DrH is he thought that Toades and Dirkzor could be mafia together. I find it a bit humerous that as DrH is attacking Toad, Toad is sitting here defending himself and trying to look at other people...while Dirkzor comes in and tries to discredit and actually votes to lynch DrH. Chainsaw Defense much? Toades Dirkzor I don't know why you don't like me much. Well I have a hunch. Your post is full of misreading, misunderstanding and misrepresentation that it hurts my eyes. I've never said DrH was a null read to me. I never said I couldn't get a read on him. The whole point of my Q&A was to point out what I found scummy about DrH behavior so far. I did so without explicitly stating "I find him scum" "I want him dead". I'm sure if you did not understand that. When have I said he was scummy beacuse is filter is long? I think he is scum because dispite his long filter he haven't really pushed any agenda. He just flows by with weak scumreads. I don't care if toad dies. The fact is that I find it hard to find any town reads this game so everyone can go commit suicide and I'll be happy. Also toad is/was not in any danger of getting lynched (or wasn't) he had what... 1 maybe 2 votes? If i wanted to defend him I would have pushed someone easier to get lynched... I'm not stupid. Regarding RoL: I could get behind lynching him. He is not here. He haven't done anything particularly pro town. He is playing like he did in purgatory: Feigning activity, getting mad when people don't agree and made excuses. | ||
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On February 29 2012 05:18 Tyrran wrote: Okay, so mafia likely has 2 KP, because i dont think any player here is stupid enough to vig shot syllo. Also, with RoL getting modkilled, i moved my vote to prplhz. Stop with the RoL is getting modkilled. We don't know that. Stop saying that. DrH: Why did you bring up your role now a few hours before lynch? It's completely irrelevant and you're not going to get lynched anyway. | ||
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And no this is not a trick question. If player X flipped scum how many other would you be able to see as scum? | ||
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##Vote Prplhz Someone have to be scum... If prplhz is it would explain some things... | ||
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On February 29 2012 04:19 Kurumi wrote: This game is dominated by scum deciding which lynch and when. Sad. What did you mean? Are this happening now? | ||
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1. See you dies. 2. Lynch any who remain. 3. ???? 4. more ??? 5. Profit. Will not explain later | ||
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DrH WBG Layabout BC are scum I'm dead soon and so is DrH GL HF | ||
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March 01 2012 09:07 GMT
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On March 01 2012 18:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm dead soon? If you kill me we lose this game. I'm saying WBG is scum and when he flips I very much want to lynch layabout. Don't be stupid and jump the gun. Well thats too late now.. | ||
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March 13 2012 08:24 GMT
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Sorry for playing less optimal this game and for blowing up DrH. Syllo already slapped me verbally for that =) I think WBG played really well. One of the reasons that I think I played bad was that I didn't wanted to play. It wasn't enjoyable for me to read, respond and scum hunt this game. This is the only game so far that I've wanted to quit mid game. This was due to the town atmosphere which was, imo, destroyed early day 1 by WBG/redFF. So well played by WBG! Any comments or critismn are welcomed... | ||
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