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Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 19 2012 12:49 GMT
#7
Looks really interesting...

Depending on when you start I would like to join. I haven't played in 2 games simultainiously (spelling?) at the same time and I don't know if I have the time. But at the same time Resistance is not that "high maintenance" as other games...

hmm...

can I /in for now? As a newer player =)
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 19 2012 17:47 GMT
#19
I'll just

/in

properly and join this awesome game!
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 20 2012 10:42 GMT
#57
On February 20 2012 19:34 prplhz wrote:
[image loading]


HHAHAHAAH!
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 20 2012 22:03 GMT
#87
If the rest of the game is as stupid as the first 3 post this is going to get ugly...

The positive part is that I already have something to critisize... Good job on starting discussion.

"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 20 2012 22:15 GMT
#102
This was not called Storm mafia without reason...

What a shit storm.

While I agree with VE that spamming not particularly pro town, I think its far to early to vote on anyone for that reason. Also because its anti town does not mean its scum... And I would much rather kill scum then anti town players.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 21 2012 09:44 GMT
#273
RedFF's fast unvote of Tyrran was weird after he had pushed and defended his policy lynch so much.

Kita's vote on (policy?) Tyrran while attacking Toad for defending Tyrran while attacking RedFF for his history regarding policy lynches and then unvoting Tyrran to vote RedFF is weird. Don't know what I should think about it. I like that you can argue with someone while still having the same opinion but this just looks way to double sided.

I see no scummyness from Chaoser's town read on VE. Other people have done similarly things in this game. But chaoser as a whole is a bit flip floppy...
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 21 2012 17:39 GMT
#303
I'll give my honest opinion so far...

I can't wrap my head around this game. Right now I not certain of anything and thus is posting meek and useless shit. I know this. Been reading through filters but nothing really stands out to me (other then the stuff i posted earlier). I went to bed just as the games started last night and woke up to 8 pages of mudslinging.

If I had to point at one player to lynch it would be chaoser. His post are just a wee bit to "jumping whoever everyone else think is scum" for me. He seems overly defensive. Can't make a real case since I'm at work.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 21 2012 20:03 GMT
#348
On February 22 2012 03:44 layabout wrote:
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On February 22 2012 02:39 Dirkzor wrote:
I'll give my honest opinion so far...

I can't wrap my head around this game. Right now I not certain of anything and thus is posting meek and useless shit. I know this. Been reading through filters but nothing really stands out to me (other then the stuff i posted earlier). I went to bed just as the games started last night and woke up to 8 pages of mudslinging.

If I had to point at one player to lynch it would be chaoser. His post are just a wee bit to "jumping whoever everyone else think is scum" for me. He seems overly defensive. Can't make a real case since I'm at work.

I honestly cannot beleive that we are a good 20 hours into the game and you have not even found 3+ scum. These excuses are beyond weak, and are far from what i have come to expect from Dirkzor the townie.

In other news if anyone has any more shit to fling i would ask that you hold it like a man, or fling it quick so that we can clean ourselves up and catch scum.

I am curious about Jackals apparent attempt to "start a bandwagon" by calling toad scum and not elaborating. For me the the town motivation for doing that would be to provoke reactions from players that he could analyse and perhaps find scum. For instance if somebody were to sheep him for no real reason, they would be more likely to be scum (since a townie shouldn't do that but getting away with a sheep vote would be good for mafia). I think that such an action is unnecessary as town but beneficial as Mafia.

My problem with this play is that + Show Spoiler +
I hate calling people scum for no reason, since it can convince players that people are mafia despite the complete absence of evidence.

It is comparable to publicly announcing your town reads on day1, giving mafia additional reasons to shoot at players that you think are town or exploit your read(s) to manipulate you

He could have been trying to get Toad lynched based off of nothing, by attempting to create a dumb bandwagon when the game had barely begun. This is all jackal has done (although we are not far in and he has a tendency to lurk) other than add to the childish bickering/insult hurling so far.


Wat? I'm glad you have that big confidence in my ability as town but I can't magicly make me notice scum... I notice what I notice when I notice it. And when I do I post it. So far this game I got jack.

Jackal seems to be himself. Last/only 2 times I've played with him he was scum and posted exactly like this. Never seen his town play so I don't know but people says he is hard to read either way.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 21 2012 20:18 GMT
#352
Oh right... you asked about that... I just didn't answer because it was a stupid question.

The first 3 posts was bad. And i said they were. That was the critisism. Nothing more. I was trying to be sarcastic but i clearly failed.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 21 2012 20:56 GMT
#366
I want to continue on Toad's case on Chaoser. Because Chaoser is lying!

Read the whole case and chaoser defence here. Below is the end of that post.
On February 22 2012 04:48 chaoser wrote:
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Yeah I agree with you and kita that redFF looked weird but that swap was so out of the blue. One moment he's supporting red and his policy lynch and the next moment it's on redFF?


Once again, not a random swap, once I acknowledged that I misread VE and DrH's posts, I realized VE is 100% correct in not only calling out redFF but also saw that redFF was misrepresenting facts (one of the reasons why I misread/switched VE and DrH's post) Add in his bullshit defense and the vote was justified.



So it was AFTER you realized you had misread that you changed your vote? Not quite.

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 21 2012 08:56 chaoser wrote:
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On February 21 2012 08:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 21 2012 08:29 chaoser wrote:
On February 21 2012 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 21 2012 08:19 redFF wrote:
PEOPLE
PEOPLE
PEOPLE

The game has been going on for an hour, my suggestion of a policy lynch does not mean I don't want anyone to scumhunt. It's an excellent way to generate discussion, which it has.

VE's post is hypocritical because he's calling me scum for pushing a policy lynch when he himself was pushing a policy lynch up until that post, when it arbitrarily became a scum lynch. Consider him my first moderately scummy read.


You're better than this. He never ever said your PL position was bad, but that you are spammy. Please read posts before you start OMGUSing. Considering you have time to spam you should have time to read.


And you need to read better. red is saying VE's vote on him was him pushing for a policy lynch while at the same time he is criticizing him for pushing a policy lynch on tyrran.

Re: Spammy RedFF
Never fails to live up to expectations. Red you really don't have to comment on every little thing with a 1-liner response. My PL on you stands until I get a scum-read on someone.


That is a big problem. Care to respond VE?


No, it's not a problem. I disagree with the policy lynch in general but I really don't see how VE is contradicting himself at all. Supporting a policy lynch does not mean you can't be critical of RedFF posting a lot of one liners and talking about it/defending it so vehemently. He isn't accusing of redFF for being scum for supporting a PL anyway, or even for "pushing" it. He never said those words. It's an invented case.

I'm voting for red.


VE said he was voting for red as a policy lynch. He then criticizes red, not for his one liners, but by saying:

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Putting votes on inactive townies/policy lynches generates almost no real pressure on a player over whether or not they are scum but only creates arguments over whether or not a policy lynch is justified.


That is a direct criticism of red's policy lynch push on tyrran.

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He isn't accusing of redFF for being scum for supporting a PL anyway, or even for "pushing" it. He never said those words. It's an invented case.


I never said that he accused redFF of being scum for supporting a PL, I'm only saying that he's criticizing redFF of doing something that he himself did as well (Putting votes on a policy lynch).

That point is factual. At the same time, I understand the nuanced subtle difference between the two given VE's immediate switch from policy lynch to scum-read. That's just good pressure play. Either way, I want to clarify what actually happened so as to not misrepresent the situation.

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On February 21 2012 08:40 redFF wrote:
Nothing I've done is scummy and this is not going to get off the ground so enjoy your lonely wagon ve and drh.


lol, this is scummy as fuck.

##vote: redFF


In that post you are still arguing with VE/DrH about whether or not VE was being a hypocrite or not.
Also in that post you vote for RedFF.

Next post:
On February 21 2012 09:05 chaoser wrote:
Also, your unvote of tyrran was pretty bad redFF and seemed extremely defensive. His post wasn't a good enough post to un-pressure vote. I would never get off him from my vote because his post was NOT good.


You seems to have changed your mind about RedFF here.

Next:
On February 21 2012 09:08 chaoser wrote:
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On February 21 2012 09:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why are you lumping up DocH's posts with mine? I didn't criticize red for his vote on Tyrran at all. Come on chaoser...


Oh lol, my bad. I went back to check and indeed you did not say that. My fault. sorry lol

This is were you realize something is wrong and you quoted the wrong dude.

Some few post later:
On February 21 2012 10:33 chaoser wrote:
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On February 21 2012 09:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ho boy, the thread died fast. That worries me a little, but that could just be paranoia.

chaoser - so by your correction and apology, should I assume that you're no longer agreeing with red's assessment that I'm being a hypocrite?

kitaman27 - what are your thoughts on chaoser?

Jackal, BC, syllo, WBG, you guys care to weigh in on this? I mean, it's early but I'd have expected to hear what an idiot I am at least twice between those 4 players.


yes. i take it back, i misread. I dunno why WBG is buddying me though. I think I'm playing decently well though, but I think you're doing better (aka I think you're townine ATM).

Now that the mixup have been cleared VE is suddenly a player doing good.

While I admit that its not a huge issue I don't understand why you would lie about it? Why not just "I thought VE was being a hypocrite but then RedFF's posting turned to shit so I voted him. Later i realized I was wrong and VE was right."


"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 21 2012 21:01 GMT
#368
@Chaoser now you're just argueing semantics...

I called what Kita did double sided. I called what you did flip floppy. Basicly the same thing.

And how can you compare my posts that was done 5-15 in into the game with someone made 12 hours later?

You say that I don't take side. That is correct because I found both sides stupid and none of them particularly more scummy then then other.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 21 2012 21:13 GMT
#371
I did not say I did not see any scummyness at you. I said that the point about you being scum for calling VE town wasn't scummy in itself. But other then that I found your play flip floppy... And yes I was noncommital. I already agreed to that. But don't tell me that my 1½ line on you painted you as more red then my 3 lines on kita...

I'm getting tired of argueing useless stuff with you chaoser.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 21 2012 21:18 GMT
#373
RoL seems fine to lynch but a bit to easy. He was AFK a lot in Purgatory aswell where he was Mafia but he did say post game that it was legitimatly busy with whatever.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 22 2012 07:46 GMT
#495
I find it highly unlikely that RedFF is scum. When reading through the thread I had the feeling that the wagon was forming way to fast (just before VE/BH mentioned it in the thread). At the same time we can't just keep RedFF around because he claimed a blue role. Might be an idea to keep alive until day 2 so people with nightactions can do whatever they think with him (vig or dt maybe?)

WBG apparently wants to de-friend everyone in the game and is doing a good job so far.

Blazinghand is being to quite this game and his post are much shorter then they usually are. I know he have wanted to post less then he did his first games but his post usually don't lack this much substance. I would say BH is a good lynch candidate. I haven't read his filter in detail but I will later. Also he haven't used thw word "hustle" at all this game - maybe he is the one doing the hustling?

And yes I still think chaoser is a bit scummy, Jitsu. (Should have been clear when I said he was my lynch target)
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 22 2012 07:54 GMT
#500
While a normal vig kill might be bad a compulsory vig could shoot there... We most likely have to kill him at some point. right? Also the OP states that are some unusual roles.. so who knows what people can do at night?

I just think that lynching him will provide next to nothing going forward so I would rather lynch someone else..
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 22 2012 11:50 GMT
#507
Blazinghand is scum.

All he have done the entire game is trying to start wagons.

His votes have been going like this: RedFF -> Tyrran -> RoL -> RedFF

His first vote on RedFF was when chaoser pointed out how silly RedFF's unvote of Tyrran was. BH sheeped that opinion and voted.

He votes Tyrran with almost no reason. But note that it is after Toad brought him up by saying "I have troubling figuring him [Tyrran] out"

Then he votes RoL after RedFF points out that RoL have been very inactive so far and VE says it was a good catch by RedFF.

Lastly he votes RedFF again. This was after his claim and his vote was the 4th or 5th vote on RedFF.
Read this post and the next 5 posts. He votes. Ve points of the wagon is forming to easy. He instantly agrees. WBG calls him out on it and he says that even if a wagon is forming easy the target [RedFF] can still be scum... wat?

I jsut haven't seen an origional thought out of BH yet. Something he is very capable of doing. He ahve posted 1 liners most of the time (or very short posts). He haven't been in any argument over some useless shit that he usually does. Seems to me like he is holding back.

##Vote Blazinghand
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 22 2012 13:05 GMT
#516
On February 22 2012 21:22 syllogism wrote:
Dirkzor I actually somewhat agree. Besides what you stated, I'm also wondering about Zephirdd's motives when posting those palmar PMs. Due to him being drunk and his play style sometimes being a bit erratic I probably shouldn't read too much into it, but the only reasonable explanation for quoting those PMs is to gain town cred by pointing to the fact that he asked the host questions even before the game began.


I have not put much thought into whast Zephirdd did. You tend to do stuff slightly different when drunk. What seems like a bad idea sober is usually the most epic idea when drunk.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 22 2012 16:49 GMT
#531
Blazinghand you response to my case only enforces the belief that you are scum. You WANT to argue because you are stubborn. You ALWAYS argue because you think you can win the arguement (and most of the time you win - atleast in your own mind).

But what do you do now? Call me bad at mafia. My case is not bad. Its spot on. Why not try to argue your way out of it instead of just dismissing it?
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 22 2012 18:16 GMT
#575
On February 23 2012 02:22 Jitsu wrote:

I could get down with a Dirkzor lynch.
- non-committal early on, staying out of the spotlight for the most part.
- says that chaoser is curious because he is "flippy floppy"
-
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On February 21 2012 18:44 Dirkzor wrote:
RedFF's fast unvote of Tyrran was weird after he had pushed and defended his policy lynch so much.

Kita's vote on (policy?) Tyrran while attacking Toad for defending Tyrran while attacking RedFF for his history regarding policy lynches and then unvoting Tyrran to vote RedFF is weird. Don't know what I should think about it. I like that you can argue with someone while still having the same opinion but this just looks way to double sided.

I see no scummyness from Chaoser's town read on VE. Other people have done similarly things in this game. But chaoser as a whole is a bit flip floppy...


This post makes just about zero sense to me. It's more of the same, with a bit of confusion as well. If I wanted to post something to make it look like a contribution, this would be it.

- says he can't wrap his head around this game, then two posts later, claims chaoser as his primary scumread, and adds a [weak] case about how chaoser is scum.
- doesn't even vote for chaoser, even though it's his target.

Something is up.

##vote Dirkzor


Yeah I was out of the spotlight in the beginning.. I made 2 posts and went to sleep and woke up to 8 pages of shitstorm and mudslinging which I didn't know what do with. I wrote a short post about small things i had noticed because I wanted to contribute.
People pushed me on this post and called it non committal (which it was because I wasn't sure). So I posted saying that I would lynch chaoser since he was the one of the 3 that I thought was most scummy. I did not vote because I wasn't sure.
I still have chaoser on my "to watch" list. But on not screaming "SCUM" from the top of my lungs - I'm not sure!

I am however pretty sure about Blazinghand. Thus why I voted for him.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 22 2012 20:42 GMT
#639
I've thought about the whole RedFF thing. Whatever allignment he is doesn't matter right now. There are no indication that he wants to play. When/if he returns we can take a stance on him. Should we lynch him today we gain nothing going forward anyway so I would much rather lynch someone else.

I'm still want BH to hang. I think my case on him was pretty solid and he have done NOTHING to convince me otherwise.

I'll read up on BC now and the posts made against him. (It is Syllo, prp and who else who have made cases on him?)
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
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