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On February 28 2012 07:09 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote:@Jitsu stop spouting nonsense, syllo was 100% the only person who was playing with any sense. By talking about other hits you're just begging to speculate about scum goals. Which, unless you are scum this game, you have zero ideas about. On February 28 2012 04:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:I think Dirkzor/Toadesstern are mafia BC's town hasn't been impressive this game at all. Yes he is (according to everyone else here) a semi-god who plays a sick mafia but his townplay so far has not impressed me at all. Neither did it in L. Not saying it's bad, just not what I expected after everyone yelling "omfg BC top 3 players on TL" (or whatever). Assumption that BC is town. This either means that he knows BC's alignment is town (meaning scum or DT) or that they are both scum and Toades is afraid to say anything suspicious of BC. Dunno. I've actually seen RoL play this badly as town before. I think he ragequit Salem after someone accused him of being scum. It made him so angry that he flamed the shit out of the guy (idr who it was) then roleclaimed and left the game. 100% agree with you, on Toad, that is a massive scumslip. Toad already "knows" BC is town wtf. He'd be a great alternative to a RoL lynch. Dirkzor, however, I have no read on. I don't really know what his meta is and I don't see anything particularly of note in his filter. Can't say much there. @Kita: you've been awful quiet all game. Care to explain what you think right now? @RoL: you're fucking lucky Toad scumslipped so hard, or I'd be pushing you like there's no tomorrow. All you do is lurk lurk lurk and then make excuses for your inactivity. That's exactly what you did when we were teammates in Couples Therapy and it's what you did (IIRC) in Purgatory as well. @VE: You're going on a posting spree because you were inactive for 48 hours, not because you actually want to find scum. The fact that you consider me scum after having played on the same team as me in BC's game is indicative of you having malicious goals. You're not town this game and you need to die as well. TL;DR: kill Toad, RoL, VE. If we ensure that the votes stay between these 3 players I'm confident we will hit only scum today.
##vote Toadesstern I know it's nonsense, but it was all things running through my head, and I wanted to have the ability to bounce my ideas off of others, or at least share them. You said you have a no read on Dirkzor. Is it because there isn't anything that you can point at in particular that you think is null? I still have him as scum. My post about him in the beginning, coupled with things like this: Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 06:10 Dirkzor wrote:
I'll do a short Q&A for you guys.
Q: Is DrH's filter long?
A: There is not a precise answer to that. That depends on game length, game type and what you define as long. But the purpose of this Q&A the answer would be: Yes. 6 pages and counting.
Q: Have DrH called anyone scum?
A: Yes. As a matter of fact he have.
Q: How many have he called scum?
A: Let me see... *counting counting* Lets say more then a handful.
Q: Have DrH made cases for any of these so called scum players?
A: Oh yes. He very much have. He have made 3 big ones at least. On RoL, Dirk and VE.
Q: Have DrH actively pushed for a lynch for any of these people.
A: No.
Q: Why not? If he think they are scum why not try to convince others so they'll hang?
A: No one knows. DrH works alone and in mysterious ways. It would be normal town play to do so.
Q: Is he scum himself then?
A: What a observant questioneer. He might. make him think he's scum. Like, he comes up with this Q&A about DocH. Then, after setting up the entire thing, falls and says he may be red?
@Toad,
You're entire case looks like it's built on the fact that WBG is being too nice this game.
Did you suddenly forget that WBG drove on person out of the game, and got a warning? Maybe I am missing the point of you're post, but regardless, it doesn't look like he's being THAT modest.
No it's about trying to impersonate that style and it's clearly not hard to be a dick. But from time to time his mafia meta shines trough. Again, I had 0 votes d1, 0 people attacking me. Why should he defend me?
Why should he buddy me / Chaoser ?
That's not his usual style. It's like sometimes he's the guy he usually is as town, sometimes he's overdoing it (you already mentioned the warning) and sometimes he's nothing like his town-Meta and that's strange.
However, I'd also be willing to lynch RoL. We had several times a bunch of people on RoL (syllo, myself and a third guy, idk by heart who the third guy was yesterday) but other than that noone was voting him.
That's strange as well because basicly every vet in this game was calling him out and saying he's mafia, still people went for the "noob" who was posting nonsense although we had a bunch of people saying that BH could very well end up being a confused / noob townie.
I'd say RoL and WBG are both mafia, wbg tries to get the next townie hanging (see his posts about RedFF [ok we dont't know his alignment], about BH and now about me) to protect RoL with a counterwagon instead of activly defending RoL. In fact he says he wants to lynch RoL himself. He knows that there's no possibility to defend him other than a counterwagon and needs to list a couple of people. Those people are VE, RoL and myself.
Clearly WBG is not stupid enough to make a list that is 3/3 townies so I'd say it looks bad for RoL as well.
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On February 28 2012 07:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
meta defense = worthless
well because there's nothing in my case other than "OLOLO Scumslip" when I clearly was talking about something else.
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On February 28 2012 07:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
K man, if you guys really want to lynch me go ahead. I'm not arguing a stupid uphill battle anymore against the dumbass town and scumteam when I have school work to do among other things. If you think killing me will help then win then glhf
k
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[QUOTE]On February 28 2012 08:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 28 2012 08:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 28 2012 08:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Let me get this straight VE. In order to be town you must be the first person to ever make a case on someone? I don't recall you doing much of that
if WBG was scum looking to kill RedFF (and had prior knowledge of the noflip) why would he pussyfoot around it when his scum meta is super confident?? [/QUOTE]
Toades publically announced his reluctance to vote for BH based on nothing except for how town might view the vote. Nobody at the time was very concerned with Toadesstern and if BH flipped town I would have immediately rechecked BC and Dirkzor but not Toadesstern. The fact that he was so concerned with how town viewed him and also the fact that he was trivial in the BH lynch/case but yet saw himself as important enough to warrant a town reaction is the kind of implicit guilt and fear that mafia reek of. If you are town and you really suspect WBG is scum keep pressuring him and I'll see what happens, but for now Toades is the best lynch. RoL is uninterested in the game and should just be shot at night, I'd rather not waste a lynch on someone who isn't pressured by it and is too immature to play a game in which some people are suspicious of him[/QUOTE]
wat? That's not why I unvoted him and you know better, at least I hope so oO
Yeah shooting RoL would be a nice idea. I already asked why noone shot him yesterday and think we either got no vigs or the guy got mafia protected because he was the target-to-hit last night. So no I'm not really convinced telling people to "just shoot RoL" is going to solve our problems.
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On February 28 2012 08:26 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 08:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2012 08:14 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 28 2012 08:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Let me get this straight VE. In order to be town you must be the first person to ever make a case on someone? I don't recall you doing much of that
if WBG was scum looking to kill RedFF (and had prior knowledge of the noflip) why would he pussyfoot around it when his scum meta is super confident?? Toades publically announced his reluctance to vote for BH based on nothing except for how town might view the vote. Nobody at the time was very concerned with Toadesstern and if BH flipped town I would have immediately rechecked BC and Dirkzor but not Toadesstern. The fact that he was so concerned with how town viewed him and also the fact that he was trivial in the BH lynch/case but yet saw himself as important enough to warrant a town reaction is the kind of implicit guilt and fear that mafia reek of. If you are town and you really suspect WBG is scum keep pressuring him and I'll see what happens, but for now Toades is the best lynch. RoL is uninterested in the game and should just be shot at night, I'd rather not waste a lynch on someone who isn't pressured by it and is too immature to play a game in which some people are suspicious of him wat? That's not why I unvoted him and you know better, at least I hope so oO Yeah shooting RoL would be a nice idea. I already asked why noone shot him yesterday and think we either got no vigs or the guy got mafia protected because he was the target-to-hit last night. So no I'm not really convinced telling people to "just shoot RoL" is going to solve our problems.
EBWOP
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On February 28 2012 08:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 11:56 Toadesstern wrote:On February 25 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
I feel you Toad; I said the exact same thing about VE earlier.
Generally though if someone is exhibiting both tells I just ignore them until I'm forced to deal with them. BH is nothing but scum and RoL is nothing but lurk so it's easy killings either way. the sad part here is that I'm not getting out here alive no matter what's going to happen, because it's the very same situation we had in L d1 with Palmar. If BH flips town and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?" If BH flips mafa and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me because I was "defending" him. If BH flips town and I vote him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?" If BH flips mafia and I vote vote him everyone is going to rant about how I only voteswitched after I had to. Sad story, isn't it?  However, I'm going to rethink this whole thing when I wake up tomorrow. Should be plenty of time. For now I'm sticking with RoL.
that was an old anecdote, not the reason I unvoted BH. Quite frankly you got the answer within your quote. I ALREADY said that I thought BH could very well end up flipping townie before I did that post. If I hadn't the post you quoted would not refere to anything and people would have quoted that and asked "wait toad, you thinik BH is not 100% mafia? You never said that before oO".
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On February 28 2012 08:54 prplhz wrote:
##Vote wherebugsgo
Funny thing is, I don't even need to make a case.
Burden of proof and all that shit.
were have you been? didn't you say you're going to contribute the next few days?
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On February 28 2012 09:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
I can't justify leaving my vote on Toad when prplhz and VE essentially just outted themselves.
##unvote Toadesstern
##vote Visceraeyes
why not prplhz instead? Why not RoL instead?
We basicly tried to lynch RoL from d2 (or even d1?), he said nothing, basicly claimed mafia recently and we're still not able to lynch him.
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On February 28 2012 09:13 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 09:07 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 09:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
I can't justify leaving my vote on Toad when prplhz and VE essentially just outted themselves.
##unvote Toadesstern
##vote Visceraeyes why not prplhz instead? Why not RoL instead? We basicly tried to lynch RoL from d2 (or even d1?), he said nothing, basicly claimed mafia recently and we're still not able to lynch him. why not prpl-I only have one vote why not RoL-I only have one vote, and VE is more likely to be scum because the case extends beyond simple meta. In fact as of now we may actually be wrong about RoL and he might just be bored inactive town. Why kill someone who's done almost nothing alignment indicative as opposed to someone who is contradicting himself in logic and flailing around in thread? If VE flips scum we should certainly look at both prpl and RoL. If I'm wrong about you (which certainly seems possible now that prpl's shown his ugly face) then there's also some 4th scum out there. I've been asking myself, why did risk.nuke get replaced, in a game with no replacements? We haven't been able to lynch him either, and that's made me wonder for a while.
How does prpl showing up have anything to do with my alignment?
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On February 28 2012 09:17 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 09:13 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 28 2012 09:07 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 09:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
I can't justify leaving my vote on Toad when prplhz and VE essentially just outted themselves.
##unvote Toadesstern
##vote Visceraeyes why not prplhz instead? Why not RoL instead? We basicly tried to lynch RoL from d2 (or even d1?), he said nothing, basicly claimed mafia recently and we're still not able to lynch him. why not prpl-I only have one vote why not RoL-I only have one vote, and VE is more likely to be scum because the case extends beyond simple meta. In fact as of now we may actually be wrong about RoL and he might just be bored inactive town. Why kill someone who's done almost nothing alignment indicative as opposed to someone who is contradicting himself in logic and flailing around in thread? If VE flips scum we should certainly look at both prpl and RoL. If I'm wrong about you (which certainly seems possible now that prpl's shown his ugly face) then there's also some 4th scum out there. I've been asking myself, why did risk.nuke get replaced, in a game with no replacements? We haven't been able to lynch him either, and that's made me wonder for a while. How does prpl showing up have anything to do with my alignment?
uhuh, wait don't answer that one! I found the answer myself:
On February 28 2012 07:33 kitaman27 wrote:Here are my scum power rankings!(anything past 5 may be completely arbitrary) + Show Spoiler [unimportant right now] +1.) prplhz:On February 23 2012 03:38 prplhz wrote:
What the fuck are you talking about. I complained about the redFF lynch and pushed the BloodyC0bbler lynch. On February 24 2012 13:02 prplhz wrote:
I pushed BloodyC0bbler around the time I said that so it's not true when you say that I didn't provide an alternative. On day one, prpl hard defends redff from the lynch, without providing an alternate candidate. He claims to have pushed the BC lynch. Lets take a closer look: On February 23 2012 03:17 prplhz wrote:
I think BloodyC0bbler is more scummy, but I think there might be better targets today that I'm more comfortable with. This is like Responsibility Mafia! where BloodyC0bbler was just gone, but he has been scummy so far. On February 23 2012 03:49 prplhz wrote:
Since we have dropped the BloodyC0bbler lynch I think that Blazinghand is a good lynch for town, especially if I'm the alternative. On February 23 2012 03:54 prplhz wrote:
If BloodyC0bbler is a possiblity then I'm more up for that than anything else. I'm a little unsure of him but he's a ton better than lynching me. On February 23 2012 03:56 prplhz wrote:
Like, I think BloodyC0bbler is scummy but I'm always kinda unsure about my reads (because, allegedly, I'm bad). On February 23 2012 05:24 prplhz wrote:
I really doubt that BloodyC0bbler is going to attract enough votes don't you think there are other alternatives that are more likely to flip scum than redFF and more likely to pick up enough votes than BloodyC0bbler? Is this honestly what prpl considers pushing? A bunch of wishy-washy statements without providing any actual reasoning? He constantly brings up how bad he is as if he is trying to downplay his abilities. Now lets move on to day two: He starts off by voting RoL. Towards the end of the day he changes to blazing. His reasoning: On February 25 2012 18:20 prplhz wrote:
Going to vote Blazinghand. I don't see any reason to believe his claim.
##Vote: Blazinghand The entire game, the strongest reason prpl has believed someone to be scum is because of a Floridian claim. Not once does he even reference his actual posts or behavior. Looking back to day one, prpl was willing to defend red because the claim made sense to him. The next day, a similar claim is provided and he has no reason to believe it. The entire game prpl has responded poorly to pressure and would be a fine lynch candidate. 2.) RebirthOfLeGenD: You can't get frustrated at peoples concerns if they are legitimate points. You've spent more time defending yourself than contributing. You say you're busy. I can understand that, but the game started a week ago and we're still waiting. The only legitimate case you've given us was on DrH. Is there a reason you chose to ignore my concerns with the case? 3.) chaoser: Tough to make a case on someone who hasn't posted since part way through day one. 4.) BloodyC0bbler: As far as I can tell, the only reason people think you are town is because the day one lynch was close. Is this the same day one lynch whose results were covered? Your voting patterns so far have been extremely opportunistic. Rather than commit to a certain scum suspect, you've waited for the bandwagon to become strong and then jump on quoting a random post that suddenly changes your mind. Maybe you could point me towards what makes you town? 5.) wherebugsgo: lol you seriously didn't roll mafia yet again did you? First BH claims scum and now this? Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
@RoL: you're fucking lucky Toad scumslipped so hard, or I'd be pushing you like there's no tomorrow. All you do is lurk lurk lurk and then make excuses for your inactivity. That's exactly what you did when we were teammates in Couples Therapy and it's what you did (IIRC) in Purgatory as well. "gosh darnnit, I'd really love to vote for you RoL, but all these townies are just so easy to push"+ Show Spoiler [unimportant right now] +6.) risk.nuke: Moderately less scummy because his name isn't chaoser. His replacement has a lot of work to do to salvage the game. 7.) dirkzor: On February 23 2012 07:05 Dirkzor wrote:
Hahahahahahahhahahaha... Fuck that was a hilarious "flip" :D Haha: "lol that's annoying" Hahaha: "lol that's really annoying" Hahahahahahahhahahaha: "I didn't have anything to do with that. I swear." 8.) DrH: He has been reasonable in the main thread and questionable in the voting thread. I was really surprised to read that he actually voted for Blazinghand. Looking through his filter, I'm really having trouble find the reasoning for his switch. Could you please point me in the direction? What happened to RoL? You're dropping him for today as well? Why are you ignoring your reads and pushing whoever happens to be the flavor of the day? I'd put you higher if the slots weren't already taken. 9.) VisceraEyes: I'm not reading through his filter. You can't make me. Lets go with 9th. 10.) Toadesstern: Appears to be putting more effort in than any other player. I'll take him to lylo any day. 11.) Tyrran: I'm having trouble finding a scum player out of the newer players. I liked how his opinion on blazing changed from day one to day two. Needs to be more helpful if we wants town to win however. 12.) layabout: I read through his filter last and 12 was the only spot remaining. Congrats. 13.) Jitsu: Seems to be looking for things with a town mindframe. Not really pushing his reads very hard though. 14.) kitaman27: lol the scum team isn't even bothering to try to make this guy look bad. Did they fail a hit on him or something?
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On February 28 2012 09:24 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 09:17 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 09:13 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 28 2012 09:07 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2012 09:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
I can't justify leaving my vote on Toad when prplhz and VE essentially just outted themselves.
##unvote Toadesstern
##vote Visceraeyes why not prplhz instead? Why not RoL instead? We basicly tried to lynch RoL from d2 (or even d1?), he said nothing, basicly claimed mafia recently and we're still not able to lynch him. why not prpl-I only have one vote why not RoL-I only have one vote, and VE is more likely to be scum because the case extends beyond simple meta. In fact as of now we may actually be wrong about RoL and he might just be bored inactive town. Why kill someone who's done almost nothing alignment indicative as opposed to someone who is contradicting himself in logic and flailing around in thread? If VE flips scum we should certainly look at both prpl and RoL. If I'm wrong about you (which certainly seems possible now that prpl's shown his ugly face) then there's also some 4th scum out there. I've been asking myself, why did risk.nuke get replaced, in a game with no replacements? We haven't been able to lynch him either, and that's made me wonder for a while. How does prpl showing up have anything to do with my alignment? bc it is extremely unlikely that all 3 of you are scum, IMO. I guess it's possible that the entire scum team is something like you, prpl, RoL, and VE. In fact I wouldn't be shocked, seeing as I feel like there's no one helping me. However, I think risk.nuke is more likely to be scum based on the replacement and if prpl is scum you can't be.
I actually stopped pushing risk because of the replacement.
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inb4 wbg day-suicidebombing
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I still like a RoL lynch the most
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let's just assume you're town for a second wbg:
Doesn't townie wbg think I am not capable to find mafia?
Doesn't townie wbg think VE isn't capable to find mafia?
Yet you say VE is 100% mafia because of his bullshit case?
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oh no, that was a comment mafia-wbg made
Still think mafia- and townie-wbg think the same in that regard.
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On February 28 2012 10:01 Toadesstern wrote:oh no, that was a comment mafia-wbg made Still think mafia- and townie-wbg think the same in that regard.
EBWOP Was referring to my own post
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On February 28 2012 10:01 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 09:56 Toadesstern wrote:
let's just assume you're town for a second wbg:
Doesn't townie wbg think I am not capable to find mafia?
Doesn't townie wbg think VE isn't capable to find mafia?
Yet you say VE is 100% mafia because of his bullshit case? his case isn't dumb like his normal wrong cases are. His case is MALICIOUSLY wrong. He's stretching to call me scum and he's not backing off when met with reason. He's fallen victim to his own misuse of logic, yet he continues pushing my lynch; which tells me that it isn't bad townie VE, it's scum VE.
Didn't you say the exact same thing about me? I recall you saying I am stretching extremly and being wrong and that as well.
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On February 28 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I didn't say I'd lynch you for claiming - I'll lynch you regardless. I said TOWN would lynch you for claiming - which as you've pointed out, has a pretty decent track-record. you need more than one scumbuddy to lynch me.
why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon?
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he's got more pages in his filter than I have in mine. I'd consider that spamming.
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On February 28 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 28 2012 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I didn't say I'd lynch you for claiming - I'll lynch you regardless. I said TOWN would lynch you for claiming - which as you've pointed out, has a pretty decent track-record. you need more than one scumbuddy to lynch me. why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon?
That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again:
The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies.
However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not.
So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia.
I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to.
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