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On February 17 2012 19:50 Bluelightz wrote:I think ghost is scum. Reasons: Let's look at his post's, Take a look at his filter, then take a look again at his filter but ignore his post's about prp let's see what it leaves, Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 12:46 ghost_403 wrote:
Great, looks like I have to learn to use IRC. :/ Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 20:53 ghost_403 wrote:On February 13 2012 17:01 Blazinghand wrote:On February 13 2012 13:33 Kenpachi wrote:On February 13 2012 12:46 ghost_403 wrote:
Great, looks like I have to learn to use IRC. :/ its not much to learn. /join #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT thats all you need I'm gonna conserve you some time here and say ghost_403 is definitely scum if he can't figure out how to use some sort of chat program, irc, skype, something On February 13 2012 06:51 ghost_403 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I agree with prplhz in that using the 'Rabid Fanboy' trait is inherently scummy. It's basically a 'Vigilante' trait that steals an action from the town. In addition, using that trait means the next in line receives it, meaning there is a chance that it will get passed down to scum, a doublewhammy against the town. ghost_403 on skype. Leave a message if I'm not on, and I'll (probably) get back to you. Clearly, I'm scum. Can't believe everyone missed it. /sarc. Off to work ATM. Should be back around 5EST, at which point I'll learn to IRC. Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 06:09 ghost_403 wrote:
I'll support a double lynch, but only if I'm sure that both are scum. We really need to be careful to avoid mislynches given that we're already down a townie and a blue with almost nothing to show for it.
I've yet to see any good arguments for anyone being scum in this thread, although I would like to hear Sinani defend himself. I'm sorry, pistachio loving bro, but phagga does bring up some good points. Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 08:10 ghost_403 wrote:On February 15 2012 08:00 Probulous wrote:
I don't know what to think about sinani so I am going to propose a different candidate for lynch
zeurg
He is actively lurking and refusing to contribute. [...]
We've still got plenty of time left before the lynch, so it's too soon for me to cast a vote. Probulous does have good points here, and in two days, I will support his movement. Zeurg, start contributing or my FOS will become a vote. FOS zeurg Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 04:27 ghost_403 wrote:On February 16 2012 04:12 SpiritClown wrote:
To mattchew
[...]
Saying I'm not scum or say I'm town it's very different... yeah -.-
And I'm not afraid to post my opinions... honestly about you I think either u are scum and are just trying to make me lynch using my errors to save a shot or either u are a towny trying to find me scum and make other people lynch me. Probably the second one i would think but i'm not sure... something about your behaviour and animosity it's making me think u might be scum, but that might be because you're attacking me
And saying I'm town in a MP it's the obvious thing to do... saying "i won't say to you" or say "i'm town" it's the same thing because everyone would say that.
Things you have contributed in this post: 1) Either Mattchew is a townie or he isn't. 2) ... This is a contentless post that does nothing to help us find scum. If you don't want to be lynched, you should suggest a better lynch. There are two good lynches on day 1: people who are scum and people who contribute nothing to the town. I am not convinced you are the first, but you definitely fit the second. You've got a few hours left to change my mind. ##Vote: SpiritClown Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 07:07 ghost_403 wrote:On February 16 2012 07:03 Kenpachi wrote:
##vote phagga
SO WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? AND WHO DO YOU THINK I AM?
well not a legitimate question cause you are a newbie. You don't accuse me of being scum. you just dont.
Im Kenpachi. you dont do that Not sure if troll? Remind me why you're voting to lynch phagga again? Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 08:37 ghost_403 wrote:@lanaia It's certainly a good point that you bring up. The exact same one that paperscraps brought up a few hours before you on IRC. Because most of us don't have the time to scrape through the logs, here is the interesting part for you. <Paperscraps> ghost_403 stop bing scummy and have an opinion [19:46:57] <ghost_403>  [19:46:59] <Paperscraps> none of this "i dont want to do anything d1 unless i am 100%" [19:47:11] <Paperscraps> time to man up [19:47:25] <ghost_403> i think spirit is a good lynch day 1 [19:47:34] <ghost_403> pretty sure i said that on the thread [19:47:59] *** Joins: Blazinghand (~blazingha@c-76-126-243-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) [19:48:20] <ghost_403> prplhz and lanaia have felt a bit scummy to me, but not enough to do anything about it yet [19:48:34] <ghost_403> i don't like how he fished for roles (oh sorry, breaking the ice) [19:48:48] <ghost_403> then wasted my time while i tried to figure out why [19:48:57] <ghost_403> but i don't think that that is a good enough reason to lynch him [19:49:15] <ghost_403> lanaia follows just because she was the only one on irc defending him [19:49:22] <ghost_403> but again, that's a bad reason to lynch someone [19:49:42] <ghost_403> in the meantime, spirit contributes nothing, and does smell of scum for the reasons mattchew pointed out in thread [19:50:01] <ghost_403> i think he's a good lynch for the time being [19:50:33] <ghost_403> ./man up [19:50:42] <Paperscraps>  Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 09:39 ghost_403 wrote:On February 16 2012 05:09 phagga wrote:
My top 3 lynch candidates (in alphabetical order):
Kenpachi
Sinani206
Spiritclown
Other suspicious ppl:
zeurg: actively avoiding participation
mderg: barely active, only posting excuses, no content On February 16 2012 08:51 phagga wrote:
##vote [UoN]Sentinel On February 16 2012 09:05 phagga wrote:
##unvote [UoN]Sentinel
##vote sinani206 Hey phagga. What's up? Take a look at those, over half of those post's are useless. Conclusion? He is being useless and keeps on tunneling prp for reasons. Also this, his 3rd point against prp 3) You still haven't told us the list of people you have PMd. If you were just breaking the ice, why not? What harm is there in saying "Outside of this thread, I talked to these people"? No harm at all. Instead, I see you purposefully hiding the list. What a scummy thing to do. Why is not telling the list of people he PMed scummy? PMs are " Private Message" amiright? So, ##Vote: ghost_403
This is terrible, terrible hypocrisy. For blatant sheeping and no attempt at even trying to provide some insight you go onto my naughty list. You have added nothing all game so to call someone out for making a case is too much.
Naughty
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Reasons I don't like ghost_403
ghost_403 has done nothing but tunnel a single player this entire game. That player is incidentally me, but that's unimportant.
ghost_403 is fluffy.
ghost_403 is hypocritical.
That can be said about a ton of people though so ...
Reasons I dislike ghost_403
On his case against me, ghost_403 famously said on IRC after the whole prplhz-PM-controversy:
[19:33:34] <ghost_403> prplhz feels scummy to me, but not enough to even warrant a post against him
Now he is making an entire post, just with PM-controversy related things in it. The only thing he adds is that I wrote his name in big red letters and didn't provide any analysis at that point.
Look at this from IRC:
00:07:07< Lanaia> I'm reading someone's filter and I actually am having a hard time keeping a straight face.
00:07:11< Lanaia> hahahahah
00:07:37< Mattchew> who
00:07:42< ghost_403> do tell...
00:08:04< Lanaia> heheheh
00:08:07< Lanaia> someone in this channel
00:08:41< Lanaia> because HYPOCRISY
00:09:48 * ghost_403 starts to sweat
00:09:53< ghost_403> i hope it's not me!
If this little exchange isn't ripe with fear and guilt then I don't know what.
This continues with:
01:52:19< ghost_403> i hate irc, waaaay too many convos happening at the same time
01:52:29< derpladee> yea i know
01:52:42< derpladee> but what do you mean there aren't enough votes to seal the deal?
01:52:51< ghost_403> to actually lynch spirit
01:54:28< derpladee> okay
01:54:30< derpladee> he'll need
01:54:31< derpladee> 4 votes
01:54:33< derpladee> to tie with sinani
01:54:35< derpladee> and secure a lynch
01:54:40< derpladee> there aren't 4 votes in this game?
01:54:59< ghost_403> that's it? wow, did not know that
01:55:04< ghost_403> right now, it's at two
01:55:26< Lanaia> There are still several people who haven't voted, correct?
01:55:33< derpladee> that sounds very right
01:55:41 * Lanaia sighs.
01:56:06< derpladee> it sounds like you're just saying stuff ghost_403
01:56:09< derpladee> like, just saying stuff
01:56:18< derpladee> it sounds like this: "blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah"
01:56:21< Lanaia> for the sake of saying stuff?
01:56:21< ghost_403> dundunDUUUUNNNN
01:56:41< derpladee> meh
01:56:47< ghost_403> ...
01:56:51< Probulous> I would be happy adding phagga to the lynch list
01:56:56< ghost_403> and now i'm trying to figure out what i was trying to say...
01:57:00< ghost_403> IGNORE ME
He thinks that SpiritClown is scum but he gives up on having him lynched because ..... he is missing 4 votes. He then calls out for people to straight up ignore him. He never figures out what he "was trying to say" and never returns. Do any of you guys want to be ignored? Or is that just a scum who doesn't like people looking at him. I don't really mind people looking at me, it's just a waste of their time. ghost_403 seems to be very afraid of what they'll find.
The guy acts like he's under immense pressure and the fear and guilt should be pretty obvious to everybody.
##Vote: ghost_403
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See, I agree with that case on ghost and it's more eloquent than I could have put it.
My vote remains. I'll try to say something more before work but I'm not 100% I'll be able to.
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ghost_403, this is about you. And as you can see from the color, you are probably not gonna like it.
A lot has already been said about you that I agree with, there is no need to repeat it here. But the following things stuck out for me, which is why I will present them here:
You always just refer to points someone else made or just use arguments someone else already made. Some Examples:
- When Probulous questioned prplhz for his PMs, you jumped on the train + Show Spoiler +On February 14 2012 10:00 ghost_403 wrote:It's because he won't give us a straight answer regarding why he did it. He makes the claim that it was an "icebreaker", which is thoroughly unimpressive: there are a lot better ways to break the ice. In addition, he only targeted a few newbs (that we know about). Why these people? We had a nice little chat in IRC about this, feel free interpret his motives for asking as you wish. (As a note, these IRC logs have not posted to palmar.org as of the time of writing. Hopefully, they will post soon. If not, I will have to rely on the witnesses present to defend my account of the conversation.) + Show Spoiler +01[19:31] <ghost_403> so who else did you pm? 01[19:32] <ghost_403> kind of curious if you had any rhyme or reason, or just picked people at random to "break the ice" 02[19:33] * froggynoddy (webchat@cpc1-lewi6-0-0-cust270.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Quit: Page closed) [19:33] <Probulous> prpl you don't say who you PM'd, just a bunch of people. Well that bothers me. The only person who has come forward was a blatant newb who luckily had the knowledge to knock you back. What is so hard about posting who sent PMs to? Even if they are just to break the ice. 01[19:34] <ghost_403> well, if he's not going to give us an answer, i suppose we can work in reverse 01[19:34] <ghost_403> prplhz did NOT send a PM to me [19:34] <Probulous> ROFL, that could take a while... [19:35] <Lanaia> doesn't matter [19:35] <Lanaia> it wasn't a bad thing he did [19:35] <Lanaia> it was a thing. [19:35] <Lanaia> just a thing 01[19:35] <ghost_403> absolutely, but things don't just happen, and mafia is a game about motives [19:36] <derpladee> lol [19:36] <Lanaia> the hell kind of motive do you think he has [19:37] <Probulous> My issue is not him asking for roles. It is him asking NEWBS for their roles. I mean this would be an easy way for mafia to persuade new guys to go along with them. Now I know that I am basing the newb thing off of one data point, that is why I asked him for the list. He won't provide it. Can you see my problem? [19:38] <Lanaia> Not entirely [19:38] <derpladee> did you even read the thread? [19:38] <derpladee> did you read what i post? [19:38] <derpladee> it's not enough to explain that something could be done by a scum [19:38] <derpladee> you have to explain why it wouldn't be done by a townie too [19:39] <Probulous> A townie would send a PM to everyone, or put it in the thread. Why did you choose him over everyone else? [19:39] <Grackaroni> You are jumping on mattchew for assuming that you wanted to direct blues but what is a good motivation besides that? shooting at them? I'm sure there are other ways to "break the ice" besides rolefishing [19:39] <derpladee> lol i'm not role fishing 01[19:39] <ghost_403> -_- [19:39] <derpladee> i was just saying [19:39] <derpladee> "what's your role?" [19:39] <Lanaia> he'd've harassed me more if he were rolefishing. [19:39] <Grackaroni> role asking? [19:39] <derpladee> and then they said "town, what do you think about X or Y?" 06[19:39] * ghost_403 facepalms [19:39] <Grackaroni> I guess thats a better description [19:39] <derpladee> and then we were on to other topics [19:40] <derpladee> the motivation is that i want to know their role, but i'm probably not getting it so i'm just asking for the lulz Whole thing is (hopefully) available at http://www.palmar.org/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120214.log. On February 14 2012 10:32 ghost_403 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 10:22 Probulous wrote:On February 14 2012 10:02 prplhz wrote:
@Probulous
Why don't you want to post about an argument if you think it is valid? I'm saying "Stop using meta argument because it's quite bad at this stage of the game" and you're saying "I will posting about it but I will still use it because it's a good argument". That makes no sense at all, why wouldn't you want to post about an argument that you think is good?
You didn't even read my defense did you?
What does this "evidence" point at? It is easy to say "He is very lightly role fishing at SpiritClown and this is something scum could have a motivation for doing" but you're not done with your case before you've also said "and townie wouldn't very lightly role fish at SpiritClown". And you can't say that because that isn't true.
I'm not posting in the thread who I have PM'd and who I haven't PM'd so stop asking. It's between me and them, and I hope they don't say anything either. For those not reading IRC, I went over this with Prpl in there. He is correct that the actions could be motivated by a townie so there is no real case against him by me. I still think the actions are scummy and are not worth the chaos it has caused but that doesn't make him mafia. Second. I can't prove that it's scummy, but he still won't admit that it might not have been the best idea. + Show Spoiler +[20:01] <Probulous> Mmm those four are the only communication you had? [20:03] <Probulous> Cause nowhere in there does it say that it is meant to be an icrebreaker. [20:03] <derpladee> i talked to other people too [20:03] <derpladee> jesus christ [20:03] <derpladee> it doesn't matter if it's an ice breaker or not even though it was primarily meant as such [20:04] <derpladee> i didn't push or bully people into giving me their roles or anything [20:04] <derpladee> you need to prove [20:04] <derpladee> and listen carefully because you are not understanding this because you are terrible [20:04] <derpladee> you need to prove not only that scum could have motivation for this [20:04] <derpladee> but also that townies could not have motivation for this 01[20:04] <ghost_403> so why don't you just say, "i meant it as an icebreaker, and it was a bad idea"? [20:05] <derpladee> because it wasn't a bad idea [20:06] <derpladee> i can't account for the entire town being full of morons 01[20:06] <ghost_403> okay, so why was it a good idea? [20:06] <derpladee> every itme i say something [20:06] <derpladee> why was it a bad idea? [20:06] <derpladee> you can't just say that it was a bad idea if i cannot conclusively prove that it was a good idea [20:06] <Grackaroni> you must not account only for what it was not a bad idea, but also why it must be a good idea [20:06] <Grackaroni> damn [20:06] <Grackaroni> I wanted to copy you 01[20:06] <ghost_403> well, it's done nothing but get you into trouble thus far 01[20:06] <ghost_403> and you have no new information to show for it [20:06] <derpladee> because town is full of morons apparently 02[20:07] * Sinani206 (~Sinani206@pool-71-105-80-90.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) Quit (Ping timeout) [20:07] <derpladee> i have new information, not about roles though 01[20:07] <ghost_403> "everyone else sucks" is a bad argument for "my idea was a good idea"
- When I made a case on Sinani, you said I had good points + Show Spoiler +On February 15 2012 06:09 ghost_403 wrote:
I'll support a double lynch, but only if I'm sure that both are scum. We really need to be careful to avoid mislynches given that we're already down a townie and a blue with almost nothing to show for it.
I've yet to see any good arguments for anyone being scum in this thread, although I would like to hear Sinani defend himself. I'm sorry, pistachio loving bro, but phagga does bring up some good points.
- When Probulous attacked zeurg, you said he had good points+ Show Spoiler +On February 15 2012 08:10 ghost_403 wrote:
We've still got plenty of time left before the lynch, so it's too soon for me to cast a vote. Probulous does have good points here, and in two days, I will support his movement. Zeurg, start contributing or my FOS will become a vote.
FOS zeurg
Lanaia called you out on this behaviour:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 16 2012 08:19 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 04:27 ghost_403 wrote:On February 16 2012 04:12 SpiritClown wrote:
To mattchew
[...]
Saying I'm not scum or say I'm town it's very different... yeah -.-
And I'm not afraid to post my opinions... honestly about you I think either u are scum and are just trying to make me lynch using my errors to save a shot or either u are a towny trying to find me scum and make other people lynch me. Probably the second one i would think but i'm not sure... something about your behaviour and animosity it's making me think u might be scum, but that might be because you're attacking me
And saying I'm town in a MP it's the obvious thing to do... saying "i won't say to you" or say "i'm town" it's the same thing because everyone would say that.
Things you have contributed in this post: 1) Either Mattchew is a townie or he isn't. 2) ... This is a contentless post that does nothing to help us find scum. If you don't want to be lynched, you should suggest a better lynch. There are two good lynches on day 1: people who are scum and people who contribute nothing to the town. I am not convinced you are the first, but you definitely fit the second. You've got a few hours left to change my mind. ##Vote: SpiritClown You also fit the second, hun. Just thought I'd let you know that. Upon reading your filter in the IRC... I can't say you've contributed much else. You've told me you haven't pm'd with anyone. So essentially, you have done nothing anywhere. Prod people, provide your own opinions, probe probulous, I don't care. Just please, do something more than what you've been doing before you accuse someone of doing basically the same thing you're doing.
To which you reacted:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 16 2012 08:37 ghost_403 wrote:@lanaia It's certainly a good point that you bring up. The exact same one that paperscraps brought up a few hours before you on IRC. Because most of us don't have the time to scrape through the logs, here is the interesting part for you. Show nested quote +<Paperscraps> ghost_403 stop bing scummy and have an opinion [19:46:57] <ghost_403> [19:46:59] <Paperscraps> none of this "i dont want to do anything d1 unless i am 100%" [19:47:11] <Paperscraps> time to man up [19:47:25] <ghost_403> i think spirit is a good lynch day 1 [19:47:34] <ghost_403> pretty sure i said that on the thread [19:47:59] *** Joins: Blazinghand (~blazingha@c-76-126-243-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) [19:48:20] <ghost_403> prplhz and lanaia have felt a bit scummy to me, but not enough to do anything about it yet [19:48:34] <ghost_403> i don't like how he fished for roles (oh sorry, breaking the ice) [19:48:48] <ghost_403> then wasted my time while i tried to figure out why [19:48:57] <ghost_403> but i don't think that that is a good enough reason to lynch him [19:49:15] <ghost_403> lanaia follows just because she was the only one on irc defending him [19:49:22] <ghost_403> but again, that's a bad reason to lynch someone [19:49:42] <ghost_403> in the meantime, spirit contributes nothing, and does smell of scum for the reasons mattchew pointed out in thread [19:50:01] <ghost_403> i think he's a good lynch for the time being [19:50:33] <ghost_403> ./man up [19:50:42] <Paperscraps>
After that, this noteworthy dialog happened in IRC:
[23:40:15] <Lanaia> I'm not sure how to reply tot hat.
[23:40:39] <ghost_403> you don't really have to, i'm not making an argument
Why not? Did you not just post a Defense? Did you not just try to show that you have your own opinion? If not, then why did you post it? Did you hope someone else would defend you? It seems you posted this in hope that people think you have your own opinion, but at the same time you stand away from any argument that could get you in trouble. Instead, you try hard to blend in.
And as you are finally going to add a case on prplhz, you still have the need to not stand out to much, and refer to paperscraps.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 17 2012 07:31 ghost_403 wrote:EBWOP: paperscraps also suspected you of being scummy. Callout to paperscraps! And a link to the post. Post by Paperscraps
You are scared to stand alone, to stand out. As a townie, you would not care about that.
##vote: ghost:403
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In order that the people posted their comments:
@prplhz:
Point 1) Fair enough. You bring up a good point, that earlier I said that I didn't have enough for a post, then I post pretty much that thing. I've already admitted that I overreacted (ghost_403, pg24 p479). I should have waited until I had more to say.
Point 2) I was shooting the breeze on IRC. No one is talking during that time. I think that if I was really guilty, I would have simply kept my mouth shut.
Here's the rest of that. Friendly banter, nothing more.
+ Show Spoiler +[23:07:15] <Lanaia> I'm reading someone's filter and I actually am having a hard time keeping a straight face.
[23:07:18] <Lanaia> hahahahah
[23:07:45] <Mattchew> who
[23:07:49] <ghost_403> do tell...
[23:08:12] <Lanaia> heheheh
[23:08:15] <Lanaia> someone in this channel
[23:08:49] <Lanaia> because HYPOCRISY
[23:09:56] * ghost_403 starts to sweat
[23:10:00] <ghost_403> i hope it's not me!
[23:14:04] <Lanaia> so, ghost_403, may I ask, have you been pming with anyone? Just out of curiosity, of course.
[23:14:29] <ghost_403> fair question
[23:14:31] <ghost_403> i have not
[23:14:39] <Lanaia> Okay.
[23:14:50] <ghost_403> all of my communication has happened here or on the thread
[23:14:50] <Lanaia> So the entirety of your contribution to the game is here and in thread?
[23:14:54] <Lanaia> okay
[23:15:46] <ghost_403> now you have me curious
[23:15:53] <Lanaia> I was just wondering.
[23:16:09] * ghost_403 looks at lanaia with shifty eyes
[23:16:31] <Lanaia> Care to hazard a guess at whose filter I was reading?
[23:16:59] <ghost_403> i'm guessing mine, but i don't know what you found that made you laugh
[23:17:07] <Lanaia> you shall see!
Point 3) Saying that my IGNORE ME quote is proof that I'm scum is just dumb. It's a reference to an episode of the Venture Brothers (obscure, I know. Link at the bottom  ). I say that anytime I put my foot in my mouth. Again, full logs of that convo are below.
+ Show Spoiler +[00:56:26] <derpladee> it sounds like this: "blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah" [00:56:29] <Lanaia> for the sake of saying stuff? [00:56:29] <ghost_403> dundunDUUUUNNNN [00:56:49] <derpladee> meh [00:56:55] <ghost_403> ... [00:56:59] <Probulous> I would be happy adding phagga to the lynch list [00:57:04] <ghost_403> and now i'm trying to figure out what i was trying to say... [00:57:08] <ghost_403> IGNORE ME [00:57:28] <Probulous> ^^ ??? [00:57:29] <derpladee> would be great if you could just say that and it would happen, wouldn't it? [00:57:41] <Lanaia> /ignore ghost_403 [00:57:43] <ghost_403> yes it would, yes it would... [00:57:52] <ghost_403> someone pass that on to lanaia [00:57:59] <Lanaia> oh, webchat won't let me use that [00:58:00] <Lanaia> [00:58:12] <ghost_403> lol [00:58:24] <ghost_403> @prob i'm waiting for a response for his voting pattern
Again, just friendly banter. Your final conclusion that I'm a better lynch target than anyone else is just wrong.
Also, I notice that you haven't responded to any of the arguments that I presented against you. Curious.
@phagga
Point 1) I did not jump on that train, I happened to start on the same train. The entire reason that I came to IRC in the first place was to talk to prplhz about the PM incident. He just so happened to post in the thread first, and I didn't/don't see any point in reiterating his arguments.
Litterally my first lines on IRC.
+ Show Spoiler +[23:58:46] *** Joins: ghost_403 (ghost_403@cpe-75-179-146-117.woh.res.rr.com) [23:58:52] <ghost_403> o/ [23:59:07] <Probulous> I'm still here brother! [23:59:25] <ghost_403> lol, good to hear [23:59:41] <ghost_403> hey derp, you on? [00:00:15] <Probulous> Slap him, slap him good :-) [00:00:24] * ghost_403 slaps derp [...] [00:22:15] <Lanaia> i think his asking about roles is null at the most. [00:22:23] <Probulous> he just posted his defense... [00:22:28] <Grackaroni> Palmar did it too but I think if he is doing it secretly its scummier [00:22:30] <Lanaia> oh, really [00:22:38] <Lanaia> he did it to me in channel here [00:22:39] <ghost_403> wait [00:22:41] <Lanaia> don't see a hge deal [00:22:41] <Grackaroni> palmar did it as a troll in thread [00:22:45] <ghost_403> prplhz posted his defense? [00:22:52] <Probulous> Mmm that is news to me [00:22:55] <Grackaroni> prlhz is secretly pming new players to give them their roles expecting they wont know better [00:23:07] <ghost_403> i was just going to ask him about that [00:23:11] <ghost_403> and now i dont have to! [00:23:13] <ghost_403> fantasic
Point 2) I stand by what I said again. I wasn't making an argument with anyone. When someone does something scummy, I'm going to call them out on it. Until then, there really isn't a reason to argue with them. Arguing without good reason distracts everyone from doing important things, like hunting down scum.
Point 3) I'm not scared to stand alone. This is the second time you have asked me that same question. I responded
On February 17 2012 07:48 ghost_403 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 07:41 phagga wrote:On February 17 2012 07:31 ghost_403 wrote:EBWOP: paperscraps also suspected you of being scummy. Callout to paperscraps! And a link to the post. Post by Paperscraps Why is it important that paperscraps has the same opinion/suspicion as you have? I mentioned it merely for completeness. Examining the voting record showed he voted prplhz, then switched his vote.
Otherwise, someone could easily have presented the argument "Well, paperscraps thought prplhz was scum first, why didn't he call him scum."
I'm still baffled why I'm the only one to think that the rolefishing thing wasn't horribly horribly scummy.
+ Show Spoiler +Unrelated, but Venture Brother's rock. My "IGNORE ME" comment was supposed to be read in the following fashion:
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So, this game is weird. It's nice playing with new people because they actually bother to post in the thread and establish their innocence.
Paperscraps is in my eyes basically confirmed town.
Probulous is playing the most pro-town game of anyone here.
froggynoddy is almost definitely town given his play in both thread and IRC on day one.
bluelightz responded completely incorrectly to my pressure in the thread, but he seems to have done it in a very towny way.
rgTS is a troll, but meh, he's probably town
grackaroni is very towny based on his reactions to my pressure on day one.
prplhz seems to be putting the effort into this game now that I'd expect him to. I'm least certain on him on this list.
So, what is left is to find the scum in the following.
phagga, sentinel, nisani, ghost, lanaia, mderg
And I mean... we have probably at least 4-6 scum left, so fuck it. Just lynch into this list. If we have vigis, might as well shoot into it too, because why not. Chances of hitting scum are ridiculously high.
gg no re
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Okay lets not lynch ghost_403
Who do else did you guys have in mind?
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So today we are lynching
lanaia
and
[UoN]Sentinel
lanaia is filler and only opinionated when provoked. She is more curious about what other player's reads are, than providing content herself. She has been diplomatic this whole game and reactionary. Her vote on ghost_403 and the reasoning behind it is weak. The ensuing bandwagon on ghost_403 is too easy.
[UoN]Sentinel is obvious scum. He hasn't provided any content worthwhile. His filter is scummy and reaction to being called scum is bad. His last post is him pretty much giving up. Any real townie would fight.
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On February 18 2012 08:41 Palmar wrote:
So, this game is weird. It's nice playing with new people because they actually bother to post in the thread and establish their innocence.
Paperscraps is in my eyes basically confirmed town.
Probulous is playing the most pro-town game of anyone here.
froggynoddy is almost definitely town given his play in both thread and IRC on day one.
bluelightz responded completely incorrectly to my pressure in the thread, but he seems to have done it in a very towny way.
rgTS is a troll, but meh, he's probably town
grackaroni is very towny based on his reactions to my pressure on day one.
prplhz seems to be putting the effort into this game now that I'd expect him to. I'm least certain on him on this list.
So, what is left is to find the scum in the following.
phagga, sentinel, nisani, ghost, lanaia, mderg
And I mean... we have probably at least 4-6 scum left, so fuck it. Just lynch into this list. If we have vigis, might as well shoot into it too, because why not. Chances of hitting scum are ridiculously high.
gg no re
Ok lets lynch [UoN]Sentinel (obviously) and Lanaia, less obvious but more to come.
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prplhz, you're such a troll
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On February 18 2012 09:04 Paperscraps wrote:
So today we are lynching
lanaia
and
[UoN]Sentinel
lanaia is filler and only opinionated when provoked. She is more curious about what other player's reads are, than providing content herself. She has been diplomatic this whole game and reactionary. Her vote on ghost_403 and the reasoning behind it is weak. The ensuing bandwagon on ghost_403 is too easy.
[UoN]Sentinel is obvious scum. He hasn't provided any content worthwhile. His filter is scummy and reaction to being called scum is bad. His last post is him pretty much giving up. Any real townie would fight.
WTF? This is the most stupid thing ever.
You have no case against Lanaia and your case against Sentinel is very weak. You're simply bouncing off of the momentum Palmar is giving you.
Palmar, what do you think of bluelightz?
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On February 18 2012 09:23 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 09:04 Paperscraps wrote:
So today we are lynching
lanaia
and
[UoN]Sentinel
lanaia is filler and only opinionated when provoked. She is more curious about what other player's reads are, than providing content herself. She has been diplomatic this whole game and reactionary. Her vote on ghost_403 and the reasoning behind it is weak. The ensuing bandwagon on ghost_403 is too easy.
[UoN]Sentinel is obvious scum. He hasn't provided any content worthwhile. His filter is scummy and reaction to being called scum is bad. His last post is him pretty much giving up. Any real townie would fight. WTF? This is the most stupid thing ever. You have no case against Lanaia and your case against Sentinel is very weak. You're simply bouncing off of the momentum Palmar is giving you. Palmar, what do you think of bluelightz?
You should read
On February 18 2012 08:41 Palmar wrote:
bluelightz responded completely incorrectly to my pressure in the thread, but he seems to have done it in a very towny way.
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I can't say no to that [UoN]Sentinel lynch.
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@Paper you haven't provided a single good analysis. Neither have I, but you actually tried to build a case out of your shit evidence.
I'm giving up because there's no good way to convince anyone otherwise. But I'm still going to vote for you.
Your first argument against me was a sarcastic comment I made in IRC. Your second argument against me is that I'm not defending myself. I did defend myself, and when I ran out of options, I surrendered myself to my fate. I've done this in Hammer and Normal Mafia and I was town in both games.
On February 17 2012 11:59 Paperscraps wrote:
EBWOP: I think that either ghost_403 or prplhz is scum.*
You didn't take sides here.
On February 17 2012 11:58 Paperscraps wrote:
I think there either ghost_403 or prplhz is scum.
I am not sure what to make of the Probulous vs [UoN]Sentinel ordeal as of yet. Leaning towards Sentinel being scum and not joking this time.
There is scum somewhere in Lanaia, Bluelightz and Grackaroni.
And you barely took a side here. This kind of neutrality after spiritclown and sinani died.
And then you posted this:
On February 18 2012 09:04 Paperscraps wrote:
So today we are lynching
lanaia
and
[UoN]Sentinel
lanaia is filler and only opinionated when provoked. She is more curious about what other player's reads are, than providing content herself. She has been diplomatic this whole game and reactionary. Her vote on ghost_403 and the reasoning behind it is weak. The ensuing bandwagon on ghost_403 is too easy.
[UoN]Sentinel is obvious scum. He hasn't provided any content worthwhile. His filter is scummy and reaction to being called scum is bad. His last post is him pretty much giving up. Any real townie would fight.
The support to lynch me is gathering, so once again you post not only your intentions of lynching me, but also a weak justification to make it look like you're not a bandwagon. Everything you've said about me has already been said, Paperscraps.
Die.
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On February 18 2012 10:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:@Paper you haven't provided a single good analysis. Neither have I, but you actually tried to build a case out of your shit evidence. I'm giving up because there's no good way to convince anyone otherwise. But I'm still going to vote for you. Your first argument against me was a sarcastic comment I made in IRC. Your second argument against me is that I'm not defending myself. I did defend myself, and when I ran out of options, I surrendered myself to my fate. I've done this in Hammer and Normal Mafia and I was town in both games. Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:59 Paperscraps wrote:
EBWOP: I think that either ghost_403 or prplhz is scum.* You didn't take sides here. Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:58 Paperscraps wrote:
I think there either ghost_403 or prplhz is scum.
I am not sure what to make of the Probulous vs [UoN]Sentinel ordeal as of yet. Leaning towards Sentinel being scum and not joking this time.
There is scum somewhere in Lanaia, Bluelightz and Grackaroni. And you barely took a side here. This kind of neutrality after spiritclown and sinani died. And then you posted this: Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 09:04 Paperscraps wrote:
So today we are lynching
lanaia
and
[UoN]Sentinel
lanaia is filler and only opinionated when provoked. She is more curious about what other player's reads are, than providing content herself. She has been diplomatic this whole game and reactionary. Her vote on ghost_403 and the reasoning behind it is weak. The ensuing bandwagon on ghost_403 is too easy.
[UoN]Sentinel is obvious scum. He hasn't provided any content worthwhile. His filter is scummy and reaction to being called scum is bad. His last post is him pretty much giving up. Any real townie would fight. The support to lynch me is gathering, so once again you post not only your intentions of lynching me, but also a weak justification to make it look like you're not a bandwagon. Everything you've said about me has already been said, Paperscraps. Die.
1. Sentinel is giving up as I said he would.
2. Sentinel is playing defensive and reactionary.
3. He at least provided foses in his previous games and wasn't playing scared like this game.
4. There is one vote on Sentinel and thinks that he is already dead. A ghost lynches seems more likely, why is he scared?
5. The tone of "Die" at the end of the quote is pure scum.
Changing my vote to sentinel.
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Also here is a nice quote from IRC. I think people will enjoy this, haha.
5:54p <[UoN]Sentinel> sorry bout that
5:54p <[UoN]Sentinel> anyways
5:54p <[UoN]Sentinel> i'm dead
5:54p <[UoN]Sentinel> but i'm pulling paperscraps down with me
5:54p <[UoN]Sentinel> because he's moronic enough to be scum
5:55p <derpladee> meh
5:55p <derpladee> pull all you want
5:59p <[UoN]Sentinel> if paper gets lynched
5:59p <[UoN]Sentinel> bury him upside down
5:59p <[UoN]Sentinel> with his pants pulled to his knees
6:00p <[UoN]Sentinel> so i can torture him in hell
6:00p <derpladee> u dead mate
6:00p <[UoN]Sentinel> i know
6:00p <[UoN]Sentinel> i'm not questioning that
6:00p <[UoN]Sentinel> i just want paper to come with me
6:00p <[UoN]Sentinel> one day
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1. I'm not questioning that.
2. I do that a lot.
3. I got nothing there.
4. Because even before that vote, there's already growing support for lynching me and diminishing support for ghost. I'm scared because this means people are preparing to unvote/vote because the vocal minority (prplhz, prob, etc.) says I'm scum.
5. No, it's disappointment. I'm disappointed that you didn't come up with anything of your own, piggybacking on others' opinions and providing nothing substantial.
I don't care about getting lynched anymore. But for my two cents, for what it's worth, Paperscraps is a scummy player.
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EBWOP: You didn't put prplhz's reply to my statement. I'm disappointed in you for that too.
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I'm going to trust Sentinel and vote for Paperscraps today. From what I've been reading, paperscraps has been using a lot of empty arguments that don't point to scumminess.
##Vote: paperscraps
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On February 18 2012 11:51 Nisani201 wrote:
I'm going to trust Sentinel and vote for Paperscraps today. From what I've been reading, paperscraps has been using a lot of empty arguments that don't point to scumminess.
##Vote: paperscraps
Keyword to note here:
"trust"
It is valiant that you are trying to save your mafia brethren, but you are going to get yourself lynched now.
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