EPTseriously, I'm reporting sinani for playing against his win condition.
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
seriously, I'm reporting sinani for playing against his win condition. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
47 hours and 9 minutes to Next Deadline | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain. If even one of those people are scum, this game is bullshit because they just got away from a day without doing anything. That's blatantly cheating. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
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rgTheSchworz
Romania425 Posts
Though I was trolling at the start, please listen to me next time. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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Lanaia
Canada1142 Posts
Nothing is wrong with the double lynch. I'd willingly support it again. Will post at some point after class. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
Then I see this as evidence against me. On February 16 2012 21:59 froggynoddy wrote: 2. [UoN]Sentinel Claiming to be scum seems like a stupid move, both as scum and as townie. Its probably a slightly stupider move as scum as he was talking to someone who seems to be regarded as townier than most... thats a thin defence though. Why is first Paper and now you voting me for the simple fact that I used sarcasm? Did Paperscraps die? Did Ciryandor say that somewhere and I missed it? Oh jeez, I must be scum, I used sarcasm... on the internet! That is punishable by death through lynching! /sarcasm so you don't go around thinking I'm confessing again. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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Lanaia
Canada1142 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On February 16 2012 08:19 Probulous wrote: Sentinel His first major contribution to the thread was in regards to my request for Prpl’s PMs. Here he writes This rang scummy to me. This is basically stating you support fishing for information from newbs. I have made it clear that I don’t like it (others clearly disagree), but this caught my eye. If I were scum, I'd do my best to deny PMing them in the first place. Now prp was saying "I'm not revealing any other names", but IIRC he didn't even make the slightest attempt of discrediting SpiritClown. Then he goes and says this This is really bad logic. Just because Lanaia defends Prpl’s actions does not mean they are on the same team. Sure it would make Lanaia look scummy if Prpl flipped red but here he says he would straight up vote for her. He would lynch her based off a prpl flip. He takes up the argument in IRC Prpl never defended Lanaia, when asked he says The only thing that Prpl mentions about Lanaia is Which is hardly defending given no-one was attacking Lanaia. Sentinel has made a concerted effort to link Lanaia and prpl such that one’s alignment will confirm the other. And retracted it that same day... weren't you in IRC when I said "I give up?" I mean it's still scummy, I'll admit that, but I've made decisions like this on less evidence. Like when I voted risk.nuke in Hammer Mafia. There was more, but that wouldn't support your "concerted argument for nothing" argument now, would it? Then he goes and undermines my case against zeurg right after I posted it. A vote for someone is worth nothing if you give them an ready made excuse not to reply. This is what Sentinel writes Read the last eight words I wrote in that quote and you'll see why you are wrong. Sentinel supports fishing for information from newbs, tried really hard to link a Prpl flip with Lanaia and actively undermined my efforts to get zeurg to post. "Tried really hard" you give me way too much credit. I logged onto IRC, played with the idea for a few minutes, gave up when I got called out by both of them, and end of story. As for undermining your efforts, sometimes just because you think someone is scum... doesn't mean they're actually scum! Because there's an explanation for almost everything that can point to them being a townie, and mislynching won't do jackshit. Once he gets modkilled we'll see. ##Vote [UoN]Sentinel Sorry bro as much fun as you are, you rolled mafia this game. PS: This is irrelevant to the case so it is in spoilers but I had a giggle + Show Spoiler + On February 13 2012 09:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Idea for IRC since it's being logged: Don't make posts like this where you type individual clauses at a time But rather talk like this, preferably in 1 sentence or more. Even if you're not used to it (I always type in fragments too  ) at least make an attempt for this one.That way it's easier to scroll through and find whatever post you're looking for. Bahahahaha I'm a hypocrite. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
ghost_403 | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
haters gonna hate u gotta sk8 gg | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
I've had my eye on you for a while now, and I've made that known to plenty of people. Two reasons I haven't put it in a "I think you're scum" post before now: 1) I haven't had enough evidence to make a compelling case yet, and 2) I believe it was palmar talked me out of it. In retrospect, palmar had a weak argument, and I finally have the proof I need. AND NOW I PRESENT MY CASE AGAINST [red]PRPLHZ[\red]: 1) You open up the game with role fishing. When I asked you about it, you spent literally an hour and a half running around in circles claiming that there was nothing wrong with it. I asked you if you had a good reason for it, and you decided instead that the burden of proof should be on me to somehow prove that it was scummy. I said what you did was scummy, the burden of proof is on you. Post by ghost_403 2) You're final answer for why you did it was "I was breaking the ice". That's fine. This is a game where you have to interact with people, a lot, in order to figure out what's going on. THERE ARE SO MANY BETTER WAYS TO BREAK THE ICE THAN ROLE FISHING. Next time, I would try something to the effect of "Hey! How's it going?" Works a lot better and tons less scummy. [01:04:58] <derpladee> it doesn't matter if it's an ice breaker or not even though it was primarily meant as such [01:05:07] <derpladee> i didn't push or bully people into giving me their roles or anything [01:05:14] <derpladee> you need to prove [01:05:22] <derpladee> and listen carefully because you are not understanding this because you are terrible [01:05:30] <derpladee> you need to prove not only that scum could have motivation for this [01:05:36] <derpladee> but also that townies could not have motivation for this [01:05:53] <ghost_403> so why don't you just say, "i meant it as an icebreaker, and it was a bad idea"? [01:06:49] <derpladee> because it wasn't a bad idea [01:07:02] <derpladee> i can't account for the entire town being full of morons 3) You still haven't told us the list of people you have PMd. If you were just breaking the ice, why not? What harm is there in saying "Outside of this thread, I talked to these people"? No harm at all. Instead, I see you purposefully hiding the list. What a scummy thing to do. [01:14:56] <ghost_403> and you haven't given me a good explanation as to why you contacted some and not others [01:15:04] <ghost_403> i'm a newbie at mafia, and you didn't contact me [01:15:08] <ghost_403> no ice breaking [01:15:14] <ghost_403> no nothing [01:15:17] <ghost_403> why is that? [01:16:28] <ghost_403> ... [01:17:02] <Sinani206> im kinda siding with ghost here. [01:17:12] <Sinani206> pistachio buddy :D [01:17:23] * ghost_403 high-fives sinani [01:17:28] <ghost_403> :D [01:17:32] * Sinani206 BROFIST [01:17:48] * ghost_403 BROFIST [01:18:19] <derpladee> lol you feeling left out? [01:18:34] <derpladee> i only PMd a few people because i don't think i have time to talk to a ton of people at the same time [01:19:21] <ghost_403> fair enough [01:19:28] <ghost_403> that would have been a decent answer [01:19:33] <derpladee> if you want to PM you can just sent one [01:19:33] <ghost_403> a couple of pages ago [01:19:44] <derpladee> it's just pretty stupid [01:20:25] <ghost_403> it was arbitrary, that's fine [01:20:32] <ghost_403> not impressed, but nothing wrong with that [01:21:15] <ghost_403> don't quite believe you, but i have an answer 4) What have your contributions to this thread been thus far? All of them fall into two categories: A) Defending yourself, and B) advocating the double lynch. You're more than welcome to make the "Oh, well I've been useful on IRC and PMs and Skype", but as of right now, you simply haven't been all that useful. On February 14 2012 22:10 prplhz wrote: Multiple lynches is a good idea. Two or three guys should die today. I don't mind throwing a lurker in there at all. prplhz's filter 5) And now you call me scum in the thread, with NO ARGUMENT WHATSOEVER. That post happened almost 30minutes ago. Unless you're writing a book, you have no excuse for your silence. In the case of "Well, I had to run off to class/work/Mordor", you should have put that in your post. 6) In addition, I am more or less the only person come out and say "I think that you're scum" the entire game. And now, you target me at the very first opportunity. No magnificently scummy of you. TL;DR ##VOTE: prplhz | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On February 17 2012 07:31 ghost_403 wrote: EBWOP: paperscraps also suspected you of being scummy. Callout to paperscraps! And a link to the post. Post by Paperscraps Why is it important that paperscraps has the same opinion/suspicion as you have? | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
On February 17 2012 07:41 phagga wrote: Why is it important that paperscraps has the same opinion/suspicion as you have? I mentioned it merely for completeness. Examining the voting record showed he voted prplhz, then switched his vote. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
 The only consolation for me is that Mattchew was on my townie list so it extra good that he is dead. Ok guys this is simple, we lynch Sentinel today. My case hasn't changed since yesterday and all that he has given is his defense. No attempt in actually helping town, just trying to save his ass. Now before you jump all over me for saying that town could do that as well let me walk you through his defense. On February 17 2012 05:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: If I were scum, I'd do my best to deny PMing them in the first place. Now prp was saying "I'm not revealing any other names", but IIRC he didn't even make the slightest attempt of discrediting SpiritClown. That only works if you are on the same team buddy. Plus I doubt Prpl would listen to you. He seems pretty set in doing what he wants. Note that Sentinel here doesn't even try and deny that he support rolefishing. He just says that he would tell prpl to not do it if he was scum. Then he goes and says this This is really bad logic. Just because Lanaia defends Prpl’s actions does not mean they are on the same team. Sure it would make Lanaia look scummy if Prpl flipped red but here he says he would straight up vote for her. He would lynch her based off a prpl flip. He takes up the argument in IRC Prpl never defended Lanaia, when asked he says The only thing that Prpl mentions about Lanaia is Which is hardly defending given no-one was attacking Lanaia. Sentinel has made a concerted effort to link Lanaia and prpl such that one’s alignment will confirm the other. And retracted it that same day... weren't you in IRC when I said "I give up?" I mean it's still scummy, I'll admit that, but I've made decisions like this on less evidence. Like when I voted risk.nuke in Hammer Mafia. There was more, but that wouldn't support your "concerted argument for nothing" argument now, would it? You only retracted that mate when both Lanaia and I pointed out how stupid it was. You were directly attacking her and when she pushed back you realised you couldn't make the case. That fact remains that you made a real attempt to link the two based off of one's flip. Read the last eight words I wrote in that quote and you'll see why you are wrong. That is your explanation? Seriously? That you expect to hear from him. If you truly wanted him to talk you have just straight up agreed that he needs to post. But no you write this lovely explanation why he doesn't have to post and then cover your ass with you expect him to post? I am sure he was shaking in his boots. You knew the whole point of my case was put a blowtorch under him and you doused it straight away. "Tried really hard" you give me way too much credit. I logged onto IRC, played with the idea for a few minutes, gave up when I got called out by both of them, and end of story. As for undermining your efforts, sometimes just because you think someone is scum... doesn't mean they're actually scum! Because there's an explanation for almost everything that can point to them being a townie, and mislynching won't do jackshit. Once he gets modkilled we'll see. The difference here is that you are scum. Why would you post that as town? On top of these scummy actions you have provided no cases, no content, no mafia for us to lynch. All you have done is subtly undermine me, and prevent me from pushing my cases. That isn't a problem if you provide something yourself, but no you have tried to gain town credit by pointing out the flaws in what I post. Easy way to look active without contributing. TLDR I see no reason to change my position from yesterday. If Sentinel finds me mafia I may reconsider but until then he has my vote. ##Vote [UoN]Sentinel | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 15 2012 08:10 ghost_403 wrote: We've still got plenty of time left before the lynch, so it's too soon for me to cast a vote. Probulous does have good points here, and in two days, I will support his movement. Zeurg, start contributing or my FOS will become a vote. FOS zeurg If you aren't going to support the case then don't say anything because it gives the lurker an excuse not to post. If you have an issue with the case then point it out. If you are going to support the case don't give the guy an excuse not to post. I agree that Prpl's PM thing was a huge distraction (which he blames on me) but that doesn't make him mafia. Besides I agree with Palmar that he actively tried to get sinani to post before Palmar targeted him. That shows he was actively trying to avoid a possible miss-lynch as a mafia prpl would have let him fall. It is a small thing but the way prpl said it in IRC did not seem like he was trying to claim brownie points. So right now you are more suspicious to me than him. | ||
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