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On February 16 2012 14:00 sinani206 wrote:
I'm voting for phagga because he's mafia.
He's only analyzed "easy" targets so far, me and Kenpachi, and is pretending to contribute by making these his main posts, when either everyone else has already said something similar or it unnecessary for him to say it. This play is very scummy, and enough to earn a Day 1 vote.
##Vote: phagga
Do you have any further interest in playing this game?
Have you read through the IRC logs? What do you think of the people there. Do you agree with my sentiment that it's less likely scum would be active in instant communication channels?
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I have no reason to believe phagga is scum. I'd much rather lynch either sentinel or spiritclown.
I guess spiritclown would be my primary choice for a secondary candidate. In addition, we need to consolidate our votes on two people.
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For Player Reference:
Vote count as of 7:35 PM KST (4 Hours and 25 minutes to deadline)
5 Votes:
sinani206 - rgTheSchworz, Lanaia, Palmar, phagga, Bluelightz
3 Votes:
Spiritclown - Mattchew, ghost_403, Paperscraps
2 Votes:
phagga - Kenpachi, sinani206
1 Vote:
[UoN]Sentinel - Probulous
zeurg - [UoN]Sentinel
Bluelightz - Grackaroni
NOT VOTED
Spiritclown, Hufy, prplhz, zeurg, froggynoddy, mderg
Please PM your Night Actions/Orders before the deadline.
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@Ghost_403
While in the IRC yesterday, I was under the impression that we were reaching a consens on a double lynch, and on the exact targets. It later turned out that I was wrong, hence i switched back to the person that I have made a case on and that I want to get hanged, Sinani206.
I have pasted below the relevant lines from the IRC log. There was a lot going on, so I cut out some stuff to show which strain of the communication was deciding.
+ Show Spoiler +[23:25:57] <Palmar> I think we should kill sentinel and sinani [23:26:47] <Lanaia> can't say I disagree. [23:26:57] <phagga> so doublelynch sentinel and sinani then? [...] [23:27:23] <Probulous> Well that satisfies me. I don't really care about sinani, he isn't doing anything. Does he ever contribute? [...] [23:46:48] <Probulous> I don't think Ghost is a decent lynch today. So he has at least another day to put something together. I think the targets we have are better. [23:49:00] <Probulous> @Palmar, just checking, the only way we can vote two or more players off at once is if we have a tie right? [23:49:13] <Palmar> that's how I understand it probulous [23:49:58] <Probulous> Ok, so then it would be good to get the votes aligned as soon as possible and watch for people switching off...
This line from Probulous was the reason I wanted to go voting. I was under the impression that several people were going to coordinate a doublelynch. I counted the current votes and saw 3 on Sinani, 1 on Sentinel. I knew I had a case on Sinani, but thought since we want to align our votes I'm going for Sentinel to get them both to equal counts. In hindsight, this was a bad decision, as there were some many more people to still vote that it would not have mattered if I just went for Sinani.
+ Show Spoiler +[23:50:16] <phagga> k, then I'm gonna vote now too [...] [23:51:49] <phagga> voted on Sentinel [...] [23:52:35] <Probulous> @phagga, Why? did you post your reasoning in thread? let me check...
This confused me, because not 3 minutes ago, Probulous said himself that he thought we should align our votes.
+ Show Spoiler +[23:52:49] <phagga> eeeh? [23:53:00] <phagga> you guys said we're gonna vote on sinani and sentinel [23:53:03] <phagga> i agreed with that [23:53:09] <Lanaia> you still should say something in the thread. [23:53:12] <phagga> there are 3 votes on sinani, and 1 on sentinel [23:53:14] <Lanaia> or people will go omghesscum. [23:53:17] <phagga> so I went for Sentinel [23:53:22] <phagga> hmm, true [23:53:58] <Probulous> you have not mentioned sentinel once, that's why [23:54:10] <phagga> that is absolutely true [23:54:21] <phagga> ok, sorry, stupid error from me [23:54:23] <phagga> I'll fix it
Here I realised that I had interpreted to much into that one sentence. I started to make a case vs Sentinel, but then thought it was stupid to make a case vs a person that I originally dit not have on my radar. I tried to get more information out on how commited people were to make a coordinated double lynch.
+ Show Spoiler +[23:58:18] <phagga> I guess it's ok if I mention in the thread that we decided to double lynch? [...] [23:58:33] <Palmar> we should be double lynching [...] [00:03:22] <phagga> Ok, seriously folks, do we now agree on doublelynching sinani and sentinel? [...] [00:03:50] <Probulous> why do you need to know phagga, make up your own mind
At this point I realised that it was an error to vote on Sentinel for the reasons that I did. I wrote on last time:
+ Show Spoiler +[00:04:49] <phagga> because I thought we wanted to make an organised doulbe lynch
But got no answer. So I switched my vote to Sinani206.
Why Sinani206? I made a case on him, that stuff is still valid: Did not contribute, no content, interrupted an ongoing discussion. Since then he also attacked prplhz, his arguments:
+ Show Spoiler +20120215.log:[01:21:38] <Sinani206> holy fuck prpl is obvscum 20120215.log:[01:21:41] <Sinani206> also im not 20120215.log:[01:21:48] <Sinani206> so dont be up for a sinanilynch 20120215.log:[01:22:01] <Sinani206> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=1351443820120215.log:[01:22:18] <Sinani206> matt is so right 20120215.log:[01:22:26] <Sinani206> (not about me)
He just refers Mattchews case. But wait! there is more!
+ Show Spoiler +20120215.log:[01:23:01] <Sinani206> also this: On February 11 2012 06:45 prplhz wrote:
20120215.log:[01:23:03] <Sinani206> I'm going to play exactly like I usually do.
20120215.log:[01:23:03] <Sinani206> If I deviate in any way I should be summarily lynched.
20120215.log:[01:23:22] <Sinani206> and then proceeds to spam the shit out of every living thing
Or not. This was already posted by Probulous almost one day earlier:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 14 2012 06:30 Probulous wrote:Besides this whilst he has a page of posts they collectively say nothing. He stated before game Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 06:45 prplhz wrote:
I'm going to play exactly like I usually do.
If I deviate in any way I should be summarily lynched. Compare this play to his previous game Click me where he shot nisani206 night one and was actively leading town.
So no own opinion. Mind you, this was at a time where most people were no longer thinking of prplhz as scummy. So he accusing a player of being mafia and does not have a single own reason or analysis about it.
Combined with the other points above:
##Vote Sinani206
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On February 15 2012 13:25 Paperscraps wrote:Read on Sinani = Null I don't have a read on Sinani. I don't know the meta. Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 09:13 sinani206 wrote:On February 15 2012 09:13 Bluelightz wrote:
I feel like I'm Instant delurking but :/
Anyway,
Townie List:
Palmar
Probulous
Mattchew
prplhz
Scummy:
Sinani - Not a lot of contributions
townie lists are bad i honestly dont care if you think im scummy because no one else does This is a good point. The scum teams know who the majority of the town is, but they don't know who is on the other scum team, so keep town reads to a minimum. By not making town lists we increase the chances of scum hitting each other.
On February 16 2012 14:34 Paperscraps wrote:
I changed my vote over to Spiritclown
People I would be ok with lynching today:
Spiritclown
phagga
Sinani206
[UoN]Sentinel
Preferably two of the above.
What made you change your mind?
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Let's go for the double lynch on spiritclown/Sinani.
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So we keep them at 5 votes each, do not vote any more on either candidate. Just vote randomly for someone that hasn't got votes.
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Hello all, sorry Its been a bit of a while, had a bball game yesterday and was too tired to do anything but have a bath and crash, will be on IRC this pm though.
Right, my reads:
Scummy
Firstly I would like to say I'm finding it really difficult to differentiate scummy with bad/noob play. That, and the fact that its Day 1 does not give me much confidence in my reads.
In no particular order:
1. Spiritclown
[20:45:53] <SpiritClown> since we want u to suffer we will not shoot or lynch u Schworz ^^
Similar to what Paperscraps said this does not sit well with me. Again this could be language issues or just finding the game difficult (God knows I am). But both these factors could induce a slip-up though. His rather weak response seams to go in that direction also:
And prob the thing about shooting i was referring to town blues and it was also a joke -.-
Could still be just an honest slip up but this early in the game any evidence seems to be worth acting on.
2. [UoN]Sentinel
Claiming to be scum seems like a stupid move, both as scum and as townie. Its probably a slightly stupider move as scum as he was talking to someone who seems to be regarded as townier than most... thats a thin defence though.
[01:39:43] <Paperscraps> sentinel you town bro? [01:39:54] <[UoN]Sentinel> no [01:39:55] <[UoN]Sentinel> i'm scum [01:39:59] <Paperscraps> k [01:40:03] <[UoN]Sentinel> in fact i'm going to kill you tonight
People I think might not be scum but aren't helping town much:
1. Sinani 206: As said previously you just don't seem to care. That hurts town as it makes you a suspect.
typical game with me in it:
i die day one.
town wastes a lynch.
then town loses.
also, kenpachi is right over the last few pages about a lot of stuff
and also i hate bandwagons. a lot.
cause im bad
Time to rethink your style of play perhaps?
2. Grackaroni: Ever since people have stopped suspecting you you have taken a back seat (apart form your tunnelling of Bluelightz.)
3. Zeurg: Inactivity hurts town. Looks like scum, makes us waste a lynch if not scum.
4. Kenpachi: Apart from defending yourself, being a bit dickish and telling everyone how much IRC sucks I don't see much substance. Obv nothing meriting a scum read yet but I don't like you. Saying that you are unpredictable as both scum and townie means that you cause as much chaos as a person can do. You would therefore not be a loss to town.
People I'm Worried about:
Palmar: I'm worried mainly due to your reputation and your relatively weak case against sinani:
+ Show Spoiler +Palmar Iceland. February 16 2012 08:39. Posts 4747 PM Profile Blog Report Quote #
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So, I think we should kill sinani206. The reason is quite simple. He has refused to contribute in to the thread in a manner that might actually help us find scum. Yet he's fine with hopping into the thread to call some random play bad. That's just posting for the sake of posting.
On February 15 2012 09:13 sinani206 wrote:
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townie lists are bad
i honestly dont care if you think im scummy because no one else does
This post serves no purpose in the thread. It's not even correct, while lacking any reasoning these lists aren't terribly useful, they at least give me an idea of how the player posting them is approaching the game.
On February 15 2012 09:54 sinani206 wrote:
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i'd rather not hide any facts. i don't have any opinions.
Normally when townies are cocky it's because they think they're right, but sinani is actually being cocky without even attempting to be right. Like being cocky isn't a scumtell in itself, because usually it's townies that are assholes. But the way in which sinani is doing it is very scummy.
The fact is, it's now very late in the day because of the strange deadline. And sinani has shown no interest in the game at all. The way in which he has shown and described complete disinterest in the game makes him very likely to flip scum.
I suggest we make him at least one of our kills for today.
##Vote sinani206
which is pretty weak, saying nothing about others players who are equally damaging to town. I realise this may be purposeful but... am worried. The only thing that makes me less worried is you said this pretty early on:
I think we should murder sinani206. At worst nothing of value will have been lost.
Still, not liking someone does not make them scum, otherwise I would vote Kenpachi.
I have opinions about other players but this post has gone on for long enough.
Due to the above and current vote standings, and Town seems to want a double lynch I am therefore:
##Vote Spiritclown
PS: You have a great name. Small consolation I know.
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Difference is Kenpachi is being stubborn asshole in a townie way, sinani206 is being a stubborn asshole in a scummy way.
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On February 16 2012 21:59 froggynoddy wrote:Hello all, sorry Its been a bit of a while, had a bball game yesterday and was too tired to do anything but have a bath and crash, will be on IRC this pm though. Right, my reads: ScummyFirstly I would like to say I'm finding it really difficult to differentiate scummy with bad/noob play. That, and the fact that its Day 1 does not give me much confidence in my reads.In no particular order: 1. Spiritclown Show nested quote +[20:45:53] <SpiritClown> since we want u to suffer we will not shoot or lynch u Schworz ^^ Similar to what Paperscraps said this does not sit well with me. Again this could be language issues or just finding the game difficult (God knows I am). But both these factors could induce a slip-up though. His rather weak response seams to go in that direction also: Show nested quote +And prob the thing about shooting i was referring to town blues and it was also a joke -.- Could still be just an honest slip up but this early in the game any evidence seems to be worth acting on. 2. [UoN]Sentinel Claiming to be scum seems like a stupid move, both as scum and as townie. Its probably a slightly stupider move as scum as he was talking to someone who seems to be regarded as townier than most... thats a thin defence though. Show nested quote +[01:39:43] <Paperscraps> sentinel you town bro? [01:39:54] <[UoN]Sentinel> no [01:39:55] <[UoN]Sentinel> i'm scum [01:39:59] <Paperscraps> k [01:40:03] <[UoN]Sentinel> in fact i'm going to kill you tonight People I think might not be scum but aren't helping town much:1. Sinani 206: As said previously you just don't seem to care. That hurts town as it makes you a suspect. Show nested quote +typical game with me in it:
i die day one.
town wastes a lynch.
then town loses.
also, kenpachi is right over the last few pages about a lot of stuff
and also i hate bandwagons. a lot. Time to rethink your style of play perhaps? 2. Grackaroni: Ever since people have stopped suspecting you you have taken a back seat (apart form your tunnelling of Bluelightz.) 3. Zeurg: Inactivity hurts town. Looks like scum, makes us waste a lynch if not scum. 4. Kenpachi: Apart from defending yourself, being a bit dickish and telling everyone how much IRC sucks I don't see much substance. Obv nothing meriting a scum read yet but I don't like you. Saying that you are unpredictable as both scum and townie means that you cause as much chaos as a person can do. You would therefore not be a loss to town. People I'm Worried about:Palmar: I'm worried mainly due to your reputation and your relatively weak case against sinani: + Show Spoiler +Palmar Iceland. February 16 2012 08:39. Posts 4747 PM Profile Blog Report Quote #
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So, I think we should kill sinani206. The reason is quite simple. He has refused to contribute in to the thread in a manner that might actually help us find scum. Yet he's fine with hopping into the thread to call some random play bad. That's just posting for the sake of posting.
On February 15 2012 09:13 sinani206 wrote:
Show nested quote +
townie lists are bad
i honestly dont care if you think im scummy because no one else does
This post serves no purpose in the thread. It's not even correct, while lacking any reasoning these lists aren't terribly useful, they at least give me an idea of how the player posting them is approaching the game.
On February 15 2012 09:54 sinani206 wrote:
Show nested quote +
i'd rather not hide any facts. i don't have any opinions.
Normally when townies are cocky it's because they think they're right, but sinani is actually being cocky without even attempting to be right. Like being cocky isn't a scumtell in itself, because usually it's townies that are assholes. But the way in which sinani is doing it is very scummy.
The fact is, it's now very late in the day because of the strange deadline. And sinani has shown no interest in the game at all. The way in which he has shown and described complete disinterest in the game makes him very likely to flip scum.
I suggest we make him at least one of our kills for today.
##Vote sinani206 which is pretty weak, saying nothing about others players who are equally damaging to town. I realise this may be purposeful but... am worried. The only thing that makes me less worried is you said this pretty early on: Show nested quote +I think we should murder sinani206. At worst nothing of value will have been lost. Still, not liking someone does not make them scum, otherwise I would vote Kenpachi. I have opinions about other players but this post has gone on for long enough. Due to the above and current vote standings, and Town seems to want a double lynch I am therefore: ##Vote SpiritclownPS: You have a great name. Small consolation I know.
WTF is this... you hang tomorrow
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Vote count as of 10:20 PM KST (1 Hours and 40 minutes to deadline)
6 Votes:
Spiritclown - Mattchew, ghost_403, Paperscraps, Grackaroni, prplhz, froggynoddy
5 Votes:
sinani206 - rgTheSchworz, Lanaia, Palmar, phagga, Bluelightz
2 Votes:
phagga - Kenpachi, sinani206
1 Vote:
[UoN]Sentinel - Probulous
zeurg - [UoN]Sentinel
NOT VOTED
Spiritclown, Hufy, zeurg, mderg
Please PM your Night Actions/Orders before the deadline.
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On February 16 2012 22:21 Mattchew wrote:
##unvote: Spiritclown
##vote: Qatol
making the count 5 to 5
leaving this here to counter any last minute scum shanigans
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Not sure you can actually vote people outside of the game
Just vote me or something.
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4. You may vote for yourself. You may vote for anyone dead or outside the game; BUT IT WILL HAVE CONSEQUENCES.
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Oh wait you can, suit yourself.
4. You may vote for yourself. You may vote for anyone dead or outside the game; BUT IT WILL HAVE CONSEQUENCES.
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WTF is this... you hang tomorrow
Why???
+ Show Spoiler +Vote count as of 9:20 PM KST (2 Hours and 40 minutes to deadline)
6 Votes:
Spiritclown - Mattchew, ghost_403, Paperscraps, Grackaroni, prplhz, froggynoddy
5 Votes:
sinani206 - rgTheSchworz, Lanaia, Palmar, phagga, Bluelightz
2 Votes:
phagga - Kenpachi, sinani206
1 Vote:
[UoN]Sentinel - Probulous
zeurg - [UoN]Sentinel
NOT VOTED
Spiritclown, Hufy, zeurg, mderg
Please PM your Night Actions/Orders before the deadline.
This makes things difficult. As I was posting we needed votes on SC to double lynch. Spirit Clown is yet to vote. If I take off my vote, he can vote for Sinani and save himself. Unless you guys have worked it out better than I have I will keep my vote on him, as his best chance is to vote for sinani and convince others to do so also. If he does and they don't, we have a double lynch, if he votes on random 3rd party, then he could be protecting Sinani, which at least gives us something to work with.
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On February 16 2012 22:27 froggynoddy wrote:Why??? + Show Spoiler +Vote count as of 9:20 PM KST (2 Hours and 40 minutes to deadline)
6 Votes:
Spiritclown - Mattchew, ghost_403, Paperscraps, Grackaroni, prplhz, froggynoddy
5 Votes:
sinani206 - rgTheSchworz, Lanaia, Palmar, phagga, Bluelightz
2 Votes:
phagga - Kenpachi, sinani206
1 Vote:
[UoN]Sentinel - Probulous
zeurg - [UoN]Sentinel
NOT VOTED
Spiritclown, Hufy, zeurg, mderg
Please PM your Night Actions/Orders before the deadline. This makes things difficult. As I was posting we needed votes on SC to double lynch. Spirit Clown is yet to vote. If I take off my vote, he can vote for Sinani and save himself. Unless you guys have worked it out better than I have I will keep my vote on him, as his best chance is to vote for sinani and convince others to do so also. If he does and they don't, we have a double lynch, if he votes on random 3rd party, then he could be protecting Sinani, which at least gives us something to work with.
If this happens, our vigilantes will know exactly what to do.
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Hang on, am being an idiot, Sinani has a vote to. Will unvote and hope they both vote for each other. Apologies.
##Unvote Spiritclown
##Vote [UoN]Sentinel
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EBWOP: Ignore last post. Just seen that Mattchew switched. Am so sorry, complete facepalm moment.
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froggy pay attention.
vote spirit
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