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Let's make it better. | ||
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Read the OP. Except for Batman-Catwoman, ppl from different factions shouldn't collaborate if they know their partner's role. IMO, it's a really interesting setup, with 4 parties that are seemingly balanced, and Name-based dynamic adds another slice of skill, but also some randomness. Batman/Catwoman should really use DT as well, he doesnt benefit as much as a SK from killing random targets. If this lasts 7 game days or so, it'll be epic most likely, with 3 factions having a chance to win entering the last stretch. | ||
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Their wincons are, however stated: Batman: Wins if Hugo strange and Joker dead. Catwoman:Wins if Two face and Penguin dead | ||
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Please read. Batman won, neither town nor scum with him | ||
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You gotta kill 2 ppl, one scum one not. Out of say 40, do you know the odds of shooting 2 specific ppl? DT helps as well because you find allies sometimes, which is helpful when playing on your own basically. Between kill X and DT X, kill X if it's late in the game,DT if early. Why? Because if you find town blues or Red power roles early, you benefit from following their train of thought, then deducing your targets by exclusion. For example, you find Hugo Strange as Catwoman, you look for whom he may have protected, those are scum and therefore not your targets, as you have to kill 2 blues. Better, you find a town DT. From his thread presence you deduce whom he has investigated, and shoot amongst those he confs as town. DT is useful, it only delays your kill count by 1, and you don't end up killing players that make other player's win condition easier to achieve. Else you may end up killing scum and lose because eventually town wins. You're a bluehunter basically. From the 4 targetsof BM/CW, only 1 is red. | ||
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Anyone who claims being town or any blue D1 should be considered for a lynch.It's stupid,useless,and full of WIFOM-Helps scum a ton. For the lack of a proper Random Voting Stage, I vote Kenpachi. Considering the current situation, it's justified and if it goes through, we'll have info at least. There's no mayoral elections so setup chat and strategies shouldn't make scum stick out too much in the thread. This, instead will. I feel Day 1 someone always gets lynched for beingcarelessandthat someone is almost always a townie.So, it doesn't do any harm at all to ramp the pressure now instead of later in the day when we will be hard-pressed for time and are likely to make hasty decisions. | ||
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It's a random vote. Random votes don't help scum. They help us get info from reactions to that random vote I can't possibly know at this stage if Kenpachi is scum, but I voted him to get things going. | ||
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Lemme explain better: He claims green. This is sub-sub-optimal blue play, as it puts him into spotlight too early and is basically useless. He could as well stay hidden. So, either he's green or scum- at least that's what I think Either way, scum know his role. They know that he's not lying about being green or they know he's scum and perhaps the GF himself. Why else claim green? Either way, Town has to lose from his claim.I'm not advocating a straight-away lynch, we still have time to debate. But a first vote is completely justified, it will certainly make scum take a stance instead of sitting around while you lazy-asses talk about Batman Batman doesn't help town. He has to kill ONE scum only. Why would he scumhunt once the Joker is dead? He won't. He'll sit back, trying to apear moderately town, while he's DT-ing ppl who look scummy. Then he'll kill Hugo once he finds him. He won't scumhunt. He'll manhunt | ||
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On February 06 2012 18:41 Kenpachi wrote: .This post is an atrocity. RANDOM VOTING STAGE? REALLY? fucking dumb. Its detrimental to blow any KP you get for mere information.[ Fun Fact: Town loses when i get lynched. (100% of the time) Oh and im not hinting anytihng. i shouldn't give a vibe when i claim townie. Ive claimed townie when i was Mafia, Veteran, Vigilante, Doctor and etc. From my standpoint, i have no opinion on Sheth, however im now deadset on this fool Ooh, this is what I was looking for. OMGUS+Saying that he claiming town doesn't mean anything. Then why do you claim town? To look interesting? I'm not yet advocating blowing any lynches not KP, cuz KP are scum's property right?Very minor scumslip here. You get all jittery and angry when I vote you. FoS : Kenpachi Also ##Unvote Guess it was random after all, contrary to what some believe. RVS over. I'll look into ppl's responses to my posts and analyze them.Point was and still is to get ppl off setup talking. Posting analysis as I go. May double or triple post | ||
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On February 06 2012 22:51 -_-Quails wrote: Did you read the rest of that post? For your benefit: Explicit reasons: Objective: rgTheSchworz recycled an argument in order to attack KenPatchi. This is not a pro-town thing to do. Subjective: rgTheSchworz reacted to the vanilla claim in a way that raised my hackles, as did Sheth but Sheth used his own reasoning rather than recycling and so is less suspicious. Objective: That quote. player A knows -> mafia knows -> player A is mafia Please explain what you're meaning about quote. player A knows -> mafia knows -> player A is mafia. I did not recycle any Sheth opinions, except from the fact that I think that VT claiming is bad. I provided my own arguments in that as blue it would make no sense, he sticks out and if he's scum he has a high chance of being the GF, thus the utility of the claim. Plus, he knows his own meta well, so why not do this?. He'll be overlooked, then DT's will perhaps check him if they read the thread closely. Now, you Mr, you first stealthvote, to bolster a wagon. Definitively not random, and not on a lurker. That smells red. Then you basically sheep after CC, who said what you state ages before you. You give Objective/Subjective sides, yet they differ in 1, 1 single statement: Schworz reacted in a way that raised my hackles. USELESS You are trying to hide, you are trying to look like you contribute without doing so. You, sir are Scum | ||
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I am not talkinng setup anymore, if you haven't realised that. I think you understand quite clearly what I meant, but are so stubborn/stupid not to reconize. Look, ppl are still talking Setup/Strat, things on which you cannot accuse anyone, because bad plans may just as well be bad townies' brainchildren. And bad townies abund, WBG you are one of them. Repeat, for the last damn time: Voting kenpachi was a Random vote/Pressure Vote-For just claiming townie D1, I cannot hope to reasonably accuse someone. So why keep my vote on Kenpachi? He's responded, some say in his trademark fashion, I have thrown my ideas around, but it seems Kenpachi's meta looks just like that. How could I miss a pg39 post of 2 lines in a Mafia L thread that had 160+ pages?Seriously, how could I? By posting like I did, I hoped to attract some attention, maybe some votes on me.But what I did not expect was no lynch candidate after 24+ hours, and now I am myself a lynch candidate. If Kenpachi is scum how do they know his role? He could be really a green. He could really be a blue. HIS CLAIM SAYS NOTHING ABOUT WHAT HE IS. This bit shows your stupidity or that you joined my wagon in a hurry. If Kenpachi is scum, scum obv know who is scum. I'll not defend myself further.Waste of time. If, at the end of D1, they're still votes piling on me, I'll straight out claim. | ||
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You aren't helping no one right now-neither town nor scum. At least not visibly. Or I did FoS 2 scum and you're overreacting, as scum.Not counting on the last assumption. Makes me wonder who you actually are. On the other hand I see Dr.H has been posting gallons of shit. He says setup talk shouldn't continue into day 2, which seems reasonable, but he agrees with it day 1. That means only 1 thing: He doesn't mind a mislynch day 1, as he has also changed votes 3 times. Two of those times he joins a wagon( on me and CC respectively) Note the timing of the votes: He votes for me after i have 4-5 votes, and after WBG, a vocal person speaks. Then he leaves my wagon when some people start to say I am town, Forumite unvotes me, and places the 3rd vote on CyberCheese. Moving on to Cyber_Cheese: Cyber_Cheese's points about Catwoman are wrong. Or maybe it was Tunkeg? Someone said "catwoman should just shoot the most pro-town people", that's not true either. Catwoman should DT until she finds her target then kill them. She doesn't win with scum. If scum win before two-face/penguin are dead then Catwoman loses. Shooting the most pro-town looking people will probably just result in red and green deaths. If you even broadcast that advice or assumption why would two-face and the penguin put themselves in the spotlight? Now Catwoman is in a WIFOM situation where she has to guess what her target is thinking and shooting randomly is unsafe, puts her at a higher risk of losing the game. With the combined full force KP of batman/catwoman/mafia all shooting into "town" (except batman/catwoman don't know who town is, although you guys seem pretty confident they will know implicitly) the game will likely end with scum winning and town with both third parties losing. I'm not going to crunch numbers because I can't do math but I'm guessing of at least one of each candidate surviving to endgame in this scenario are pretty high. I hope that clears things up. I think Cyber_Cheese is either mafia or, more obviously, Batman. I don't know why I didn't put it together before but the player trying to get the Joker offered up scot free with no clear pro-town motives seems like a pretty good bet for me. If he's not third party or scum I'd be pretty shocked. Can anyone link me to some games in which Cyber_Cheese was a town aligned player in memory? After looking at that I might switch votes. I dislike voting for players who attack me because I am very defensive and often in mafia games I get tunnel vision when I'm attacked. But just as often as I've been wrong, I've been right and ever since letting Pandain slip through my grasp in Insane Mafia I've tried to be more confident. WBG that was on point, pushing the easiest lynch with no commitment, wishy washy, good call. Voting RG Then he votes CC. So, what made him change his opinion of me?What caused him to unvote me after he said I was pushing the easiest lynch with no commitment(I assume he meant Kenpachi) and that I was certainly Wishy-washy to have changed for whom I voted 1 time. That was wagoning for no purpose. Dr. Helvetica, you are Wishy-Washy, you continue talking trash about the setup, you want to hide behind your walls of text hoping we don't lynch you day 1. What distracted him from VE? | ||
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Well done, bad townies and scum. You have driven me nuts with your pointless accusations. If it will get me lynched at least you'll have more info than is available and can be obtained through the people you want dead now. | ||
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I sense that I am about to be lynched, if not today maybe tomorrow. Also the atmosphere is turnin mafia-favored rapidly. Votes flying left and right, dispersed votes makin it easy for scum to lynch town today. Due to that, I am claiming: I am a Detective .Unless people insist that I claim my name, I won't do it due to obvious reasons : I may or may not be Catwoman's target. I have not had the chance to investigate yet. I will probably be roleblocked.untill we can find the roleblocker. | ||
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Second and third will almost hammer me and will 90 % be red. | ||
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I am Two-Face the Detective. I can Investigate someone and get in addition of guilty/not guilty the fact that I can survive vigi shots. | ||
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It can still be towny play,trying to absorb shots, but since he claims immortality, i dont see why. To me Toad is looking more and more 3rd party. | ||
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I seriously think that some scum or 3rd party have infiltrated the blueclaims hardcore. | ||
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BM s claims seems the most real of them all. Thats because he regularly does shit like this and is insane. Palmar- In my opinion its just trolling | ||
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I m not bullshitting. CW should have a ton of WIFOM this night. | ||
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There was no other way to point out that Toad is lying except claiming. Toad chose a role that was unlikely to be counterclaimed, in the person of Two-Face. But I really do mind about it. | ||
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Leaning towards CW atm, because you claimed at a point where some claims happened and sneaking in the ,,blues,, as a VT|Vet makes a tiny bit of sense, but not much, as there were a ton of targets for scum and CW. | ||
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I honestly dont know why they didn t kill me or RB me or why I am still alive now. Will be posting more after 6 h or so. | ||
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I posted in a hurry because it's f...ing FREEZIN in my country atm and i had to go to school. 20 pg+ since I went afk. Please explain Toad why i'm not Two-Face. | ||
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She prolly DT'ed me thou gh. I'm Catfood tonight barring Catwoman being a lurker/inactive. Don't medic me tonite. Useless | ||
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Why are you so sure He's blue though? I'll look to see what he crumbed. | ||
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Does he do that usually? | ||
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He says DocH, which would be Clayface, knows about his role PM. Toad claimed vig, and that he shot Kenpachi. Catwoman didn't shoot last night if Toad tells the truth. Why? 2 mafia kills.I have been Medic'd and saved. By Ockam's Razor this accounts for all the scum KP. SO IF I DIDN'T SHOOT TOAD LAST NIGHT, WHY WOULD I BE CATWOMAN? | ||
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And why you want to lynch a blue? You're supposed to lynch scum goddamnit | ||
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I m also up for lynching sheth, mainly because he posts fluff and irrelevant stuff. QT is full of scum. I do not fear getting lynched, anyways I know what to do Night 2. If im getting lynched because Clayface does not want to claim so be it. Medics get off me ASAP. Toad doesn t understand I ll be catfood tonight. When I flip, please lynch this liar= DocH. I understand that BM got roleblocked. I strongly trust BM at this point, I believe him to be the most town. So, 2 kills without any prot. Scum single-stacked Jackal, because they RB BM. Rad claimed hit, but I don t believe he s a vet since he claims DT. So, most likely one of our vigs hit him,else hes a Veteran. Therefore , I m inclined to think CW didnt shoot. Therefore she DT ed me. Therefore I die tonight. Bye, Bye, Bye | ||
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Also , FYI , i m not insane, as in role pm insane. Maybe I am RL insane, though. | ||
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We´re lynching only one guy today, anyways. I also must remind myself to post some thoughts as soon as I catch up with the thread and figure out Toad´s role | ||
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She is also incredibly good at fooling people with her Allure and access to materials to make the perfect disguise. As such she can appear to be any role in the game. She wins when two face and penguin are eliminated. Catwoman/Batman got all the role PM s in the game. They are not playing without info. Therefore Toad is 90 %CW, not town. He set up this thing with DocH, who probably is Clayface. Toad, if you are town, please aswer this: Do you know anything about Harley Quinn? Scum aren t being very active and are probably confused themselves right now. If Sheth flips red, it would certainly explain some things. Even better if he flips Strange. | ||
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Why don t you please go through my filter, and believe me? It would make both our livesand town s job easier | ||
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CW is my humble opinion. I think you thought I was extremely stupid to claim Two-Face, and you would put it beyond noobiness or whatever and FORGOT even to DT me in your efforts to appear town. So now, I am not even sure if I die tonight. | ||
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You want to make me a liar so you can lynch me Day 3. I’m not having this. Do your own job Catwoman, and have the guts to kill me tonight. I actually think you‘re afraid I am the wrong target and you‘ll miss. | ||
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So, I have to post in case these are my last posts | ||
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Seems Doc is a temporary shield for Toad or Toad s a vet himself. | ||
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For what its worth, I know exactly what role Toad is, what his special power was and why it was that way. Hence why I'm far more inclined to believe him and DocH, unless a counterclaim was to come forward. I'd bet on your role right now. I followed word for word for 3 hours, rereadig twice what those 2 said. I am smart(enough) if 2 ppl out of 30 found it, I am able to find it. I haven t played arkham city, but have read the wiki to understand the relationships between the characters. If it‘s that obvious, and you don‘t wanna out it,then why the hell do it? Hell, If I didnt know better, I d have said JayJay and Adam are scum. | ||
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Seriously I dont understand the Doc/Toad relationship. | ||
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What is CC? | ||
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Direct me if you will not help me figure out the situation. I ll do whatever you tell me at night. I dont care if I m lynched, I just don t want to end up a useless blue because some guys have something between them that prevents collaboration. | ||
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I have an explanation for why I am not dead already. Toad is CW, and he thought i wasn t stupid enough to have Trueclaimed. Either he DT ed me, and I m dead tonight, or he ll hit me next. | ||
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He would be so exposed to CW. | ||
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For the time being I am Two-Face. WIFOM about mebeing Two-Face kept me alive last night. Let s double up. | ||
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I dont mind it at all, since I am not third-party and still have a chance to win. Maybe the info gained after my lynch will sort things out. | ||
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I m also town. Don t g too far with assumptions | ||
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Read my damn posts. I simply stated that I got guilty on you. Simple thing to get ppl reacting. It's not town to say "I don't care if I get lynched cause I can still win." So can scum I agree. But im not CW or BM. | ||
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I am Two-Face Guy doesnt claim a DT check tomorrow Lynch ensues | ||
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On February 11 2012 02:23 RayzorFlash wrote: I think the whole Schworz drama will likely clear itself out tonight, or at least give us more concrete information instead of like, 7 people throwing out either what they think, or random claims that don't make sense... I was working on an analysis of Chaoser, and his actions on Day 1 don't seem that scummy to me, but the hard Day 2 push to set up a lynch after Sheth is lynched seems reallyyyyy scummy... I don't have a solid opinion on that yet, and I still think we lynch Sheth today to verify Radfield. Oh and, I don't think anyone's mentioned this, but Palmar can't POSSIBLY be as crazy as he's posting with randomly not remembering stuff he did the previous day. Methinks he has some sort of role text restriction that gives him split personality disorder / lunacy... The characters that might work well with such a restriction (disregarding other peoples claims, and actual logic) are: Joker, Harley Quinn, Scarecrow (different night personality than day maybe?), Two-face, Calendar Man, and Clayface... None of the mafia power-roles seem to logically work with this restriction, so I'm inclined to lean very slightly towards Palmar being town (or i'm totally off-base with my logic... lol) Scummy post detected. He tries to dismiss a situation that has an enormous amount of WIFOM, but also some info to be snatched. Then he says that Chaoser setting up a chain lynch is really scummy. Notice how he doesn t agree or disagree with Palmar. He wants to keep safe, not taking sides. He then states that Sheth should still be lynched today, to verify radfield. But if Palmar is town, which he certainly seems now, Radfield is black, or the scum DT, Ra s. Ra s is a very important role for scum, he wouldnt put himself at risk by claiming DT. So no desperate need to confirm Rad, we can vig sheth anyways. Then this poster speculates insaneness and whatnot. Clearly bullshit. | ||
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Gonna add my vote to the pile. ##Vote Liquid'Sheth Hiro, you haven t been on lately. Please inform us of your most recent scumreads. | ||
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It would be damn time. Lynch this scum: Jaybrundage. No, town is not gonna lynch an ally. | ||
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Oh wait of course you would because your not mentally retarded. And yes information if fucken great this game is all about information. If we can determine if Radfield alignment and nail scum why wouldn't we lynch Sheth. I'm going to vote for Sheth because he would give us a good bit of info and give us some info on Radfield too He seems totally focused on gathering information BUUT he doesn t go to accuse ppl openly.Except for me, of course, but I deduced that I can t give reliable data to anyone yet. So, why does he wanna lynch me? Yes, I have been causing chaos and devastation, but lately I have put that on halt.You gave no argument why I am scum except that I prematurely claimed( wasn t going to be on for the lynch). Yes, I lied, but scum can lie as well as townies. In this case, as Scum, I would have no reason to claim DT. It seems like an awful lot of trouble just to get a mislynch. Hes so focused on getting information and sorting things out, yet he s still clueless. At least he wants us to believe that. He s scum but not in the KILL HIM WITH FIRE category. Bullets should do though. | ||
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On February 11 2012 02:00 Toadesstern wrote: you know what I was referring to. Jackal shot DocH. DocH is the only one within the circle of people who are either dead or claimed a hit and at the same time are on the gay-phone-session. Jackal can only shoot people on his gay-phone-session. He called me a liar and maybe found out what was meant to be for docH. Anyways I'm pretty sury Jackal shot DocH. Do you mean all 4? | ||
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Even if you think i m scum because I lied,then you should shoot Palmar because he lied too. Can t say that I agree with chaoser defending me. Trusting what you think on first impulse is bad. On the other hand, how can you explain my actions, in a way that I end up scum? Reasonably, I should ve been scumcoached by now.would they allow me to endanger their team? | ||
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I ll explain. Catwoman didnt shoot N1 and I know it. | ||
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But he voted sheth from Day1, he doesnt post utter trash, He claimed a vig. Risk/Reward for lynching Kurumi is very low right now. | ||
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That means 4 hits unnacounted for. Scum have 3 and I KNOW CW didnt shoot. Rad is assumed to be BM, and he has DT ed. Someone s lying here. | ||
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On February 11 2012 19:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You mean the thing Kurumi is saying would be impossible in order to defend you???? Lynching Kurumi would be a waste right now. Heck, I ll be pushing my own lynch rather than lynch Kurumi.It s just too risky atm. And he Voted Sheth when both wagons were equal in size. That at least makes me look twice when someone accuses Kurumi. I would like to hear more from this player however. | ||
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Someone lies. | ||
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SOmeone is lying here. | ||
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On February 11 2012 19:35 Palmar wrote: I got hit last night. Look, are you trying to troll us all this game? If you re not dead tonight I suppose you re somewhere on my lynch list. | ||
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I have been hit. Lynch me if I lie on this one. | ||
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Does Palmar Die this night? | ||
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JayJay, I can be town: The real 2-face, OR poison Ivy, Or a random Vet/VT. Read the thread closely | ||
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If Palmar is batman he already knew I'm batman way before DocH told everyone. And I am pretty sure Palmar knew I am joker before n1 deadline which again makes it more likely that he's not the badman. But maybe I misinterpreted something idk Ok, please make sense. | ||
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JayJay might well be scum with all his bluehunting. | ||
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I did lie about the DT check, everyone knows about it. | ||
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Anything I claim wouldnt be believed, not today at least. Let the night be gone, I try to help town as much as I can. If you seriously want me that dead try arguing that tomorrow. | ||
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Kita has been writing things such as these On February 09 2012 03:32 kitaman27 wrote: Why is there a decent chance the joker will die tonight? Seems just as likely as any other vig. Either he hasnt been figuring out things or he doesnt want the joker to fire. I dunno, but vig targets do abound and we do have a shitton of vigs anyway. Also, he has dissapeared d2 and n2. Seems suspicious to me. | ||
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me neither | ||
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He s been scummy as fuck. | ||
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Btw how the F does his actions make sense as scum? | ||
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He s trolling a lot. | ||
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Joker is protected and for some reason im still alive as Two-Face. Forumite, you re scummy. Better be prepared to defend your case tomorrow. | ||
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I did retract my check though. | ||
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Even then you cant determine his alignment, scum have vets, town has immortal roles and vets, and BM/CW are still possibilities. Did you shot Radfield? | ||
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If he dies tonight you re 3rd party Palmar. | ||
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He won't be killed by scum at any point though regardless of his alignment. Why is so? | ||
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Who vigged WBG? CW/BM didn t shoot WBG. Look at what he posts. He sticks to Kurumi and Rad/Me.He defo wanst Joker or any kind of vig/DT. More scum than anythig else. Kurumi s town btw, there s no way these 2 are scum together. Maybe Rad killed him, I would assume that only if Rad does not post his check or posts that he checked a completely random townie. | ||
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He claimed medic and a roleblock n1. He was in favor of a mass claim(which would only benefit mafia btw). He dissapeared d2 and n2 when all this shit was going on. I´m starting to ask some questions. Stop trolling, we know you´re town by now. | ||
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Mafia had a clear RB target n1, that was me. I had not lied by that point. So, if no one claims being RB n1, his claim and actions still stand as believable. That´s why I would be reluctant to lynch him. Today we lynch JayJay or Jaybrundage, with a preference for the latter. Seriously, how is he not scum? JayJay has not been useful this game, I still believe he was fishing, and he fits the scum profile of having lurked while the conflict between me/Toad/Doc/Palmar/Chaoser was going on. Chaoser also has been moderately scummy, but his actions can somewhat be explained by him being town. | ||
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Also, lying about a DT check cannot be a town move, in any occasion. You should die for this. Think again. Lying about something doesn´t make you bad, scum , town nor anything. I haven´t been hit tonight. Probably because scum focused on DocH to get to Toad. I cannot explain who shot WBG. I still think CW hasn t shoot tonight either. | ||
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I still don´t think he s as scummy as Jaybrundage or JayJay. | ||
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Remember, scum not believing and not wasting shots on me is good. Dt-ed last night- Chaoser. | ||
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I gave enough clues already. DO not LYNCH BATMAN. He´s helping us Atm. Wait for his check. He can t claim RB. Palmar claimed it. If Rad claims RB, then he is Batman. Else Palmar is Batman. | ||
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Right now scum like JayJay can Very easily talk about it. It won t be believed. Im keeping it for when there is a night action that can demonstrate my role. Since scum decided not to focus on me, so be it. They want to lynch me, wasting a day. They re getting uncovered atm. Stop listening to scum. | ||
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Tell me and I will do it. Right now, no one will believe me. Either I die, which seems not to be the case atm, or you will have them. Its preetty obvious if I strongly oppose a lynch. And there are certain night-flips that can confirm my role. | ||
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I am not going to make someone life easier, especially when that someone hasnt been extremely active so far and starts shitposting after confusion has been dispersed. | ||
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You will have to be either VERY lucky, or both you and Chaoser have to be scum, for you to be able to fake a rolecheck. Wrong. If he´s scum, he will deny it. That only works if chaoser has a PR, if he´s vanilla he won´t claim scum, if he is scum he´ll claim vanilla. Your arguments are wrong. | ||
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I might be Batman, it would make sense. I would have claimed two-face and if I KNEW all Role-Pm´s like I think BM and CW do, I would have known you were the Joker from what you posted. Since you were confident you were immortal, I should have figured out that I got to get DocH lynched to get you killed. Figure, DocH is dead now.What you gonna do? What you gonna do when Batman comes for you? It makes sense to fake the first claim as Batman. I´d also say it makes sense to state that I did DT chaoser last night. Why release the result if I´m Batman?No sense. Make up your mind. Either I have DT ability or I´m scum. Those two are mutually exclusive now. | ||
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I think scum are revealing themselves. | ||
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1. Why do that? 2. You´re quoting scum. They post in the thread to get you to mislynch, remember?They´re not the type of guys to stick out and say,,Hey I am scum!!,, | ||
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Theoretically town gains not lynching Chaoser today, which is what we should be doing. However I have no faith that you are actually a dt, so I see no need to listen to your check. I´m not releasing the results of the checks till my role can be confirmed at night. No one will believe me anyway, and scum will be hopping on my wagon along with everyone. This way, scum at least have something to figure out. | ||
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Please confirm. | ||
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Perhaps this is more WIFOM to confuse scum. Yes, it is.Chaoser isn´t going anywhere tomorrow, we still have to lynch 4 scum if chaoser is indeed scum. If he´s VT, same thing. Let´s keep scum guessing a little bit. If he is scum then this act would deter town vigis from shooting at chaoser but could bait 3rd party in checking/shooting him. By this point I am not scum. I don´t know how any people could think that. All my actions would be incredibly gutsy as scum,and would have no purpose.None at all. Plus scum doesn´t have any DT´s left, so you assume scum investigated Kurumi n1.That˙s a big if. I also think I know your role by now. If I am right, you need to cut off this. | ||
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Shot Schworz N1 WTF is that. I haven t been shot tonight. I have been Medic saved n1. | ||
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I think BM´s lying. Because that would make 3 medics-One who protected me, One who protected him, One BM. Harley´s off the medic list. That means there˙s still 3, but chances are running pretty low | ||
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I´d be dead if Kurumi was CW. | ||
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Thats how laya and me deduced that we ve been medic protected. | ||
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The fact that he said i took a hit last night my role would not allow me to survive said hit. what i would then conclude: i must have been medic protected (but i have not been told that directly) shows that he did get hit. I searched the thread for similar information that you don t get the announcement that you ve been protected by a medic.Nada If Bugs was killed in one night, which is so if none of our Vigis claim, then laya´s statement must be true? Or BM and Laya are scum together and BM is Hugo. Thing about the PM s coming in late seems weird. Also why BM would protect laya? Who then protected me? | ||
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If Rad is Batman, he also has interest in checking BM anyway. Hugo, Hugo where are you? | ||
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Assuming No one shot WBG N1. | ||
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Either they re both scum or both town. | ||
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BM scum laya not doesnt make ANY sense. BM not scum, laya scum either. I | ||
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Toad Palmar Kurumi rgTheSchworz Radfield I haven t heard from Katina, chaoser,Tyran,Hiro, nuke, qualis, evantrees, jaybrundage, tunkeg. Tobberath is gonna get modkilled. There are too many Lurker extraordinaire´s this game. I still support a Jaybrundage lynch.Most scummy of them all. | ||
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On February 13 2012 03:56 Jayjay54 wrote: rg, use your logic. Say BM thinks layana is good town, he protects him two times. What does that have to do with lanaya's real alignment. Also why can't BM just lying about protecting him. Lanaya only gets notified when he was hit, he was alive so BM knew he wasn't killed. (I find that unlikely, but it's possible as well) So no, everything is possible. Especially a scum lanaya and town BM should not be counted out. [This has nothing to do with me seeing lanaya as scum, I just want to argue with that "Both town or both scum" idea] Ok, yeah say BM thinks laya is good town. Bm s not scum then lol. That would be the only case when i´m wrong. Because of laya´s message i´m finding it HIGHLY UNLIKELY that he claimed hit when he was not hit. If BM is scum, he wouldnt protect laya. Not one bit, if they werent scumbuddies. No one CC ed Hush.I m finding it very probable that BM is a medic. And say BM didnt prot him, and hes lying as scum. SO WHOS THE FOOL WHO PROTECTED LAYA? | ||
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So, I doubt that he´s alone in that unless he´s town. | ||
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One confirms the other. | ||
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I dont think that you re fakeclaiming. Not at all. But I want to confirm BM. He s been confusing this game. Meanwhile, let s lynch Jaybrundage. | ||
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im going to bed, will catch up tomorrow - i'm surprised im alive ... i must have a medic on me Maybe this?? | ||
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On February 13 2012 04:51 Kurumi wrote: The thing is not protect itself, but the TIMING. If hosts forgot about a protect (mind, You're only informed of a save when You're actually hit) he would be.. DEAD. Thanks to this, we know he's LYING. Add that the hosts weren't even around him claiming he "just got the pm" and TADAAM. That˙ s almost too scummy to be scum. When did you get the PM layabout? | ||
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Jackal Palmar Me If he did protect laya, who saved me? | ||
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On February 13 2012 05:00 Kurumi wrote: Anyway, I am up for suggestions who should be checked by me next night. I'll kill Bill Murray anyway. Why are you claiming third party. Are you claiming thirdparty or does your role involve checking and killing? | ||
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Basically all that he said was resuming the thread and making bad comments | ||
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That means that Rg is a Vet, and cant be a Detective. Why he is keeping up the bullshit about DT? I dont know pretty anti town in my opinion But I think it makes the most sense. Given this information i think we should completely ignore his DT checks cause there bullshit. Kurimi had to agree with the Harley Quinn guess it was a guess. How could you know? Why is Kurumi Catwoman? Because he claimed JOAT? Seems pretty Harley-esque to me. The part about hoping I won t be wrong is I was in a situation where if I gave false results I died. I was hoping they werent any mis role-displaying mechanics in the game. Guess what, its not the case. | ||
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So RG is a Vet not a DT and not two face if he was twoface he would be dead. I hope we can move foward as town and from now on Ignore his DT checks because there complete bullshit. This Does mean as well tho that he is town. : ( Given that i will have to reread the filters to find someone else i think is scummy D: BTW RG i still think your anti town as fuck. Just not scum Toad, it s the case for all three. DocH was right. | ||
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I´m no DT, I faked the checks. Since I am gonna stay in the game I have to start playing decently. TL-ers are a bunch of non-believers. I seriously though someone would have picked up on what I was trying to do and not disrupt it. It would have worked then. Palmar s the Bat, clearly. He cant claim so he fakes 5 claims or so.Riiight. His actions make sense as the Bat. Rad´s not scum either. | ||
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Rad isnt lynchable right now, because heck, Palmar s not playing for Town. He s Batman. You are the Joker. He is trying to get someone he didnt check lynched.. That way he has a ton of chances of finding Hugo. | ||
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Well, we have one lynch target thats clearly scum. After JayBrundage that is. That is Forumite. | ||
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Forumite or me? | ||
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Rad is town because he gave us sheth. Then he was RB when it was obv for him to be RB(aka after he gives us scum) Makes sense to me. Palmar ´s accusations only make sense if he´s Batman. His play only makes sense if he s Batman. With his role he wants to lynch random people. Or rather : HE WILL ANALYZE THE VOTE LIST ON RAD AFTER HE IS LYNCHED AND FLIPS DT. All scum will be there. Down to the last one. He has the Joker. He lets him shoot, while he kills people on his list of Rad-Voters. Town still has 1 mislynch. But if Town lynches Rad and then Palmar, we will lose. Rad will 100% flip DT. Earth to TL: Do not get manipulated by Batman. Lynch Forumite today. I guarantee you will not be dissapointed. | ||
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My bad. But I can t believe Batman. Rad seems legit. Let s see what he turns up with tonight. My shooting still stands | ||
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Forumite already revealed himself. See that quickvote along with little contributions despite being active. Trust me, I am not wrong on this one. | ||
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Prove it. Medic wont claim lol and so you want to avoid getting lynched. No, worries, you aren t getting lynched. Youre not scum nor anti town after Joker is gone. | ||
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All those who propose to lynch Batman are anti-town right now. There s never a reason to get rid of a player that is 100% Not Scum. Especially as Batman can kill Hugo. I will call Palmar Batman from now on. | ||
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Stop. Batman, you know you aren´t getting lynched. Because then the town would be at LYLO. They certainly wouldnt lynch Batman at LYLO. Medic is NOT gonna claim. Medic is smart and doesnt expose himself for nothing. | ||
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Yes, we re not lynching a townie, we re lynching a blue with radfield. Please state your argument instead of ,,feeling,, | ||
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No, it put Rad firmly ahead. Had he voted chaoser, scum would have had a chance of derailing the Rad wagon. He is not scum because if he was he certainly would have put his vote onto chaoser. RayzorFlash is scum. | ||
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We have 4 scum. 4 We have a 1/2 chance of lynching Hugo or Deadshot, bringing their KP down. And you propose to lynch a confirmed non-scum. Keeping a vote around just for you, my dear. | ||
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I CRUMBED VECTOR- AKA VICTOR VICTOR FRIES-MR FREEZE | ||
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I have crumbed 2 times I wanted to get shot SO BAD!!!! | ||
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Lynch Forumite. If Hugo, things are dandy. If simple scum, lynch nuke. If he Mr Freeze, LYNCH ME!! | ||
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1. If hes Hugo, then our DT is confirmed, 3 scum left, they have 2kp. Also, medics know who to protect.We win 90% here. 2.If hes not Hugo, then lynch our ˝DT´´ and Quails. 2 scum left. 3. If he´s Mr Freeze, which he can t be, then lynch me. If anyone here really believes I am lying when I can seal the deal for town, then they re mad or scum. | ||
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Lynch Forumite, then Batman dissapears. Then we know the scum, because DT will confirm 2 ppl, Bat will be another one. | ||
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If he wastes it by shooting, it both leaves Hugo and Deadshot live a night longer, Extra KP for scum, and it wastes my life for nothing. | ||
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For one, what would be your alternate lynches besides forumite?Someone who is scum for sure. Secondly, if Palmar isnt Batman, then he gets lynched cuz hes scum. It gives us a lot of benefit and info, that forumite lynch. | ||
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I am no one s bodyguard. He claimed freeze was his own. | ||
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I suggest strongly he claims. We lynch nuke and forumite. | ||
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Kurumi is Ivy. Question to nuke: What is Two-Face s relation to Mr freeze according to you? | ||
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I am not lying. Not this time. I had my reasons to lie last time namely: I wanted to get hit. Toadsstern was so bad revealing Clayface s relatonship with the Joker. I wanted to test if DrH was scum: If he showed signs of being town, I could, at anytime, claim a misDT due to Two-Face´s role ability. | ||
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On February 17 2012 00:44 risk.nuke wrote: Well that's the clever part from his side. It's to fool scum, But I am 99% they won't fall for it so right now he's just confusing townies and spamming. I mean don't you think mafia finds it a bit odd that if he were freeze why he choose not to just say. Oh I'm the last medic and absorb bullets which is his job rather then shouting all over the thread how he is freeze. The bad part on his behalf is he just blew away any wifom. I don't see how there can be any damn confusion. I am confirmed two-face if noone else claims. And if scum tries to claim, well I don't know what will happen. schwors I'm not allowed to answer that question. It is pm-flavor. Is it the same thing that Joker and Clayface have? | ||
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He did this to save my butt, I think. Lynching a vet who might have been a BG was very likely at that point. Nuke seriously has to come and refer to his relationship with Freeze. Cuz, the way I see it, Two-Face hasnt hired anyone. He has 1 life, and now is afraid to claim. IMO, not nuke. | ||
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Well that's the clever part from his side. It's to fool scum, But I am 99% they won't fall for it so right now he's just confusing townies and spamming. I mean don't you think mafia finds it a bit odd that if he were freeze why he choose not to just say. Oh I'm the last medic and absorb bullets which is his job rather then shouting all over the thread how he is freeze. The bad part on his behalf is he just blew away any wifom. Don t you find this rather odd? I already explained how my actions as Freeze made and still make sense. I have pre-crumbed Freeze. And this guy tells me that I am Ivy trying to confuse town. Sure, bad townies exist, but this is SCUM: 1.Why the metric ton I would claim medic?That would bring more confusion, and my lynch probably.Medics dont claim DT and expose themselves day1. Medics dont fake DT checks. Scum would not believe me, Town would not believe me. Heck, everyone would vote for me. 2.Wifom about me having an ability to shoot? I wouldnt have faked a DT check if I could shoot. I would have shot. Lastly, I wouldnt claim Freeze as Ivy because I am playing to win, not to confuse town. Every townie must vote Nuke now I highly suspected forumite but after this post and refusal to claim relationship between Two-Face and Freeze....... Also, Forumite might be townie somehow still, but I dont see how Nuke is town or 3rd party now. | ||
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Nuke wants us to believe Mr.Freeze is Forumite. | ||
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On February 17 2012 01:11 risk.nuke wrote: None of rg, forumite and myself are scum. This is law from now untill either the game ends or someone else claims two-face. In which case it will ceace to be a law for the abruptly 15 seconds it will take to prove that the fake-claimer is scum and that I am the real two-face. Then my actions dont make sense and I am Blind and didnt read my role PM. No mention of Two-Face I have been given. Not in the slightest. Joker-Clayface was stated in Clayface PM. | ||
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He said that Freeze was Twoface s BG. I said it´s crap. | ||
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So risk lied. So he s scum | ||
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Lynch CW when we got scum? How the hell is nuke not scum? He´s lying it´s obvious. As 3rd party it wouldnt make sense, and if hes CW you got your wish. I have crumbed my role waaay before nuke showed up with his claim. Other explanations find above. Vote Nuke. | ||
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And risk is. | ||
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Gl losing, because you wouldnt kill deadshot or Hugo. Calling the scum team right now: Forumite Risk.nuke Hiro JayJay54 See you in post game talk. | ||
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Then I will laugh at the other townies. | ||
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Why lie the first time? | ||
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I messed up big time this game, i ll admit it. But why claim as Penguin and Two-Face? Scum will shoot them, and from what I see DT info from Risk speaks nothing. I could have told you that quails was not blue.If hes red hes happy to be painted green. If hes green he couldnt care less. Kita everyone knew. Rest is on Forumite, and these 2 have started a wagon on Kurumi. I think scum needs this mislynch today and only this one to win. So, its not that much of a risk to claim what they claimed. | ||
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Shoot evantrees, good call Forumite. I have dissapointed. | ||
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I dont think Pal shot anyone other than VE. Jaybrundage is bullshitting and hiro is defending him. Adam-still null. I seriously think scum are pushing too hard for evantrees lynch, which would lose us the game Crossing my fingers and ##vote hiro protagonist | ||
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If hes a vet he should survive. Hiro can also be scum regardless of JB s alignment. | ||
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How do you want to confirm me? I breadcrumbed 2 times, called for nuke s lynch because he was f...ing lying and not helping town. I seriously thought another 2 face would come of. If I was In a scum team, Wouldnt I tell one of my team to claim 2 face? Town, think. I have been honest with you since day 2 on. Perhaps too honest. | ||
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Are we LYLO next day? | ||
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I killed Forumite because of my ability. We are 4vs2 with evan and me confirmed. | ||
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I think it would make no sense as scum. JayJay is pretty much scum this game. Sry,we are actually 3v2. Doesnt change much. We have to call the team now. | ||
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None of the last ones. I took a shot N1. My ability was still on. I assumed I was med-protected. Forumite said he would hit me. Well, look at what happened to him. Anyone else wanna hit me? I am confirmed. I survived a shot. I am a vet since there isnt any medic in the game anymore. Believe me or lynch the wrong person. BTW, were at LYLO, so 1 town must vote town and were doomed. You have to choose. | ||
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So that leaves the 2 townies that are left.Which are currently against me. I propose a massclaim. It is time. | ||
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I thought Forumite said that he shot me... That was 2 pages before he said he will shoot Hiro NVM | ||
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I found it really odd that 4 ppl died. Ok, well, I havent got anything to say in my defence. I blundered. JayJay is scum, Adam-still null, but it probably wont matter since Im dead and so are town s chances of winning. | ||
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Shame on me really. I recently saw he shoot hiro, so all that I said is basically trash. | ||
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I should´nt have lied or I should have lied much more. My reads have been bad, except for JayJay and JB, who btw, should have been lynched D3 instead of Kurumi. D3 lynch decided the game, I had no credibility whatsoever in the endgame. Should have pushed that much more for JB D3, if he had gotten lynched, we would have won. | ||
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I expected DocH to question my DT check, but not to reveal the whole hocus-pocus. | ||
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