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vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 17 2012 19:31 GMT
#25
/in if possible
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 24 2012 22:43 GMT
#95
this looks fun cant wait for role PMs etc
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 26 2012 01:40 GMT
#124
/confirm

I was taking a nap and woke up to the my phone's email alert of a TL message.

Seems appropriate given the game name.

vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 26 2012 02:05 GMT
#127
You heard it here first, blazinghand is the mod designated vote counter.

<3
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 26 2012 05:55 GMT
#182
I have no idea how to read all that stupid-ness about how to properly term a read. WTF was that. It wasn't useful thats for sure.

Lets try to get a bit more on track than debating something insanely useless like that.

I actually find Navillus a bit squirmy but I have never played with him and thats like the barest of gut reads on the last few posts of his.

I hate day 1.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 26 2012 18:39 GMT
#241
I hate all of you and you are ugly!

I like the combo of blazinghands case and the fact that cwave is very clearly (at least thus far, prove me wrong cwave) bonkers as a day 1 lynch. I personally think the 5 words part was in fact one of the very few true scum slips. I will be voting him when I get off work and get home.

I want navillus to weigh in on some things (take your pick as to what) as your tone and posting pre page 10 gave my gut a twinge. Has he played in other games I can look at?
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 26 2012 19:16 GMT
#243
Look I see the idea behind this limiting the reads we make but it hamstrings us too much. IMO the negatives of this 'plan' far out weigh the positives.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 26 2012 20:01 GMT
#250
On January 27 2012 04:25 Zephirdd wrote:
Let me summarize the plan for you guys.

Don't worry about semantics, just try to not create leaders. This way scum won't have a solid target.

Why is it so hard to understand something that simple?


Well put.

This is also why its a bad plan. Setting out on day 1 with a game plan of never allowing 'leaders' to emerge is an amazingly bad plan. How often does one or two players end up contributing way more than others? This plan would be to ignore those types of players and to silently cheer them on.

I refuse. This is not a good way to play. We can't cut our own head off just to maybe confuse the mafia a tiny bit.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 26 2012 20:08 GMT
#253
He isnt saying not to make lists and not to sheep. That is totally different in effect.

If thats then plan then I support it. This does not mean you cant agree with people though and that needs to be clear.

There is always going to be a gray area between sheeping and agreeing and we shouldnt cut out our tounges just to avoid maybe crossing that line.

Take my post where I agreed with Blazinghand. Do people see this as a post that heps the scum?
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 26 2012 21:47 GMT
#261
I think cwave isnt a weak town player. With things like JUMPING on radfield for giving scum a rating system (seriously it is cwave who clearly made this a ratinf system...) and saying that scum have 5 words when the rules make it obv that it is an unkoen amount ANNNNNNND his attempt to abuse the intent of calling him a VI....

There is a difference between bad town and scummy.

He is by far the best lynch canidate thus far.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 26 2012 22:06 GMT
#264
Ok i follow you on cwave that makes sense.

Who do you think is the scummiest at this point then?
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 26 2012 22:18 GMT
#266
Ahhhh a keyboard. Hate posting via phone.

This is a ridiculous argument. In no way does anyone get ignored and in no way do leaders not emerge. Leaders don't become leaders because a bunch of people call them town. Leaders become leaders and THEN a bunch of people call them town. Just keep your townreads to yourself, at the very least early on in the game(Day 1/2)


Ok... and then what are we to do when you think a player is contributing really good things is about to get lynched? Saying I think they aren't scum vs I think they are town...

WHATS THE DIFFERENCE?

Really, I see this 'plan' in regaurds to this issue as not very useful I guess. Maybe it isn't a bad plan (you are right that players offer things and then get called town) in the sense that it hamstrings us (though it does limit the language we can use to discuss things which, if it really serves no greater purpose, DOES hurt our ability to play) but what advantage does it really offer?

I totally see the point about lists that makes 100% sense. But please help me here, the difference between calling someone not scum vs town....

I just see every math teacher in teh world laughing at that statement.


Consider this vader. If mafia restriction is not 5 words, then mafia now are almost certain Cwave is townie and a good person to push to lynch(As an aside, just like # of mafia, no one should be speculating on # words or characters).


You are ignoring the fact that they can in fact talk out side of the thread I realized. Anything can be a breadcrumb because we will never see the full meaning of things that are intended to have double meaning.

I read it as he said 5 words for one of 3 reasons:

1. Scumslip
2. He isn't lieing and he pulled it from a previous game
3. It is part of a fake out that we can't see fully because of hidden messages.

I just see more ways that him saying that fit with a scum pattern than a town pattern. I see him as scummy for this statement and though I see your point it falls apart as solid evidence the more I think about it.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 26 2012 22:22 GMT
#267
On January 26 2012 14:02 redFF wrote:
I think the key and best part about it is that it leaves out varying degrees of townieness so that we don't have 6 people in the thread calling one person very town and then that person gets killed.


oooo

I can accept this as logical.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 26 2012 22:41 GMT
#268
On January 26 2012 10:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Depending on power roles, I'd say there are about 4-5 mafia? Leaning 5 and town having some blues.


Whoa this post...

Why are you leaning 5 and town having some blues.

Explain the logic behind this post.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 27 2012 02:35 GMT
#276
##vote Cwave

Forgot to do that.

@Radfield

I still think he is being scummy as all heck compared to everyone else. He gets my vote unless a better candidate comes up.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 27 2012 06:43 GMT
#279
Read my posts following that one. I see the point of it now etc.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 27 2012 06:44 GMT
#280
On January 27 2012 13:00 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:35 vaderseven wrote:
##vote Cwave

Forgot to do that.

@Radfield

I still think he is being scummy as all heck compared to everyone else. He gets my vote unless a better candidate comes up.

Navillus is a far better lynch.


I disagree, he seems not as scummy as Cwave to me.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 27 2012 14:44 GMT
#293
Cwave, that is really what I was looking for. Can you link me to any game where you played scum in the recent past?

##unvote
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 27 2012 14:53 GMT
#294
Rdfield your play reminds me of your day 1 play in 48. Remind me, what were you in 48?

At this point I dont favor a lynch on any particular person at all. When is the deadline?
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 27 2012 15:29 GMT
#299
Lanaia def needs to like join the discussion. 100% agree there.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 27 2012 16:17 GMT
#305
On the topic of lurkers:

Is it valid to say that lurking as scum has alot appeal bbecause it not only puts you under the radar of getting but also under the radar of getting night killed?

The more I think about that idea the more I conclude that at least one scum will probably try something like that.

tl;dr - Lurkers stop lurking now because it is 2x as scummy as a it is in a normal game and doing something acummy that gets you under the radar is way to valid of a scum tactic in this setup.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 27 2012 16:32 GMT
#307
I personally feel better about lynching him or lanaia today than radfield or cwave.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 27 2012 18:56 GMT
#318
I agree 100% on lanaia there. The reason I hadnt voted her yet is her meta is fairly lurker like on day 1 no matter her alignment. I am holding my vote for now and would really appreciate it if she would step in and talk bout shit beyond just a token bandwagon post.

I would note that her post about cwave really rubs me wrong even in light of her meta.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 27 2012 19:22 GMT
#320
On January 28 2012 03:39 Radfield wrote:
Lynching lurkers is not a strat I normally agree with, but it seems quite a bit more viable(Day1) in this setup(given that we can't effectively trace mafia votes Day 1.


And lurking as scum in theory makes for safety at night. Lurking is the 'most accepted' anti town move in so far as it goes unpunished more than other anti town moves.

With all of that in mind, lurking is way scummier or at least way more anti town with this setup than it is normally.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 27 2012 20:54 GMT
#332
On January 28 2012 05:43 Lanaia wrote:
Now that I fully understand what rad was trying to say, I agree. However, if he'd actually said "don't call people town" I probably would have understood more quickly. Not touching his wagon with a 20 foot pole. I do not want him lynched today.


Not touching his wagon? What do you mean?
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 27 2012 21:14 GMT
#336
I really distrust the tone of I will not touch his wagon. Thats purely a tone based on voting in a way that only cares how you look in the end.

I feel good about this vote now.

##vote Lanaia
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 27 2012 21:25 GMT
#340
Nav you should vote lanaia imo because your case is based on a conclusion that she is being VERY scummy.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 27 2012 21:47 GMT
#343
So thats her last post after seeing herself leading the votecount (tied for at least) on a basis of being a lurker???


vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 27 2012 21:48 GMT
#345
oh tied for 2nd same idea though
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 28 2012 01:51 GMT
#436
-_-
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 28 2012 14:51 GMT
#453
Can you guys stop scum hunting and posting 'found breadcrumbs' during the night WHEN THE SCUM WHO DONT KNOW WHO SCUM ARE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHO TO KILL
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 28 2012 21:14 GMT
#461
Deadline? ITS NIGHT.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 28 2012 22:51 GMT
#473
On January 29 2012 07:51 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 07:46 Blazinghand wrote:
On January 29 2012 07:17 redFF wrote:
On January 28 2012 08:56 Blazinghand wrote:
On January 28 2012 08:55 Hesmyrr wrote:
Number of people here will be enough to push anyone present, including Lanaia just saying. Also Blazinghand, I don't think I saw you specifically making a post why you think Radfield is scummy? In this game where mafia can team-kill each other scum will try hard not to look like town leader, which is exactly what he has been doing.


The case on Bum is nonexistent and meaningless. He handwaved a bit in a fashion consistent with his previous posting. The case on Radfield is based on some suspicious posting he made, and is also pretty shitty, but not nearly as shitty as the Bum case.

I'm alarmed that people aren't lynching MZ. Alarmed.


CALLS CASE ON RAD SHITTY
SAYS HE WANTS MEAPAK LYNCHED
VOTES RAD

DING
DING
DING


Ah yes you're right I should have voted Bum instead? Or wasted my one vote on the nonexistent Meapak lynch? dude you're right that's a much more useful thing I could have done


Someone give this man a medal


Why dont you take care of it.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 28 2012 23:05 GMT
#474
Am i right that the day post would be 'due' to be up in about 1 hour?
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 29 2012 00:59 GMT
#482
Meapak_Ziph REPLACED by
redFF
Radfield DEAD
bumatlarge
GGQ
Mr. Wiggles
Hesmyrr
Navillus
vaderseven
Refallen
Jackal58
Blazinghand
Zephirdd
Lanaia
CWave

I think thats the players right now. Im gaming now but Ill post some tonight.

FOS at Bum.

Redff, what is your case on Blazing I dont get it.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 29 2012 01:00 GMT
#484
+ Show Spoiler +
Meapak_Ziph REPLACED by Slardar
redFF
Radfield DEAD
bumatlarge
GGQ
Mr. Wiggles DEAD
Hesmyrr
Navillus
vaderseven
Refallen
Jackal58
Blazinghand
Zephirdd
Lanaia
CWave


err

thats the player list in complete formating i started
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 29 2012 01:04 GMT
#486
On January 29 2012 00:37 iGrok wrote:
Meapak has been replaced by Scamp


You are right.

That slardar guy posted in the same page that the replacement happened.

Stupid S names.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 29 2012 01:05 GMT
#487
Which also brings up, hey Scamp weigh in asap on everything you think is worth talking bout yo!
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 29 2012 01:40 GMT
#491
I have him as not scum so far. What is bothering you and red about him?

Hes playing very much like he has in other games he played as town.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 29 2012 01:59 GMT
#495
On January 29 2012 10:47 Lanaia wrote:
We will not lynch him. Ever. Well, I won't but I will actively fight against it.
had pegged him as scum but things change.


I dont understand what you are trying to say.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 29 2012 04:02 GMT
#500
On January 29 2012 11:23 Lanaia wrote:
Def want to hear from scamp. Will try to postbefore workbut no promises. Need sleep.

Anyone know if there's a refresh function on the android system?


Press the button that brings up settings screens or what not (usually a physical button) and refresh should be an option.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 29 2012 06:43 GMT
#504
I took a look through everyone's filter looking for one specific thing.

Who, if anyone, didn't touch the lurker issue at all?

Why did I look for this? Cuz a scum player would surely see attacking lurkers as an ultra risky strat, especially day 1.

redff never mentions lurking once.
Refallen never mentions lurking once.
Jackal58 never mentions lurking once.
Zephirdd never mentions lurking once.
Cwave never mentions lurking once.

On January 26 2012 14:04 GGQ wrote:
About finding mafia, we can't rely so much on finding scum by linking players together. Even if scum gets lynched, we can't be sure whether their defenders were scum or misguided town because scum don't know (at least not 100%) who their partners are.

So the primary way of finding mafia is just by lynching players who aren't contributing to the town but aren't completely lurking. Scum will be the players trying to ride the line between been too scummy and getting lynched or being too towny and getting shot. Town, on the other hand, shouldnt be afraid of shots so they'll be the towniest towns.


GGQ is outright saying that scum arent lurkers.

On January 28 2012 08:46 Lanaia wrote:
All you have on Meapak is that he's been lurking. That says shit all for his alignment. I am not moving my vote onto meapak, at least not today. We have about 15min to deadline. It's highly unlikely to get the lynch you want at this point in time.
You're tunneling. Why didn't you do this earlier in the day? Your logic doesn't feel completely sound to me.
Holy hell you are tunneling so badly. You should have been pushing him all day. I don't like how you're acting and it actually really frightens me.

How. The. Fuck....
How is MZ hustling?


Lanaia feels that lurking doesnt say a thing about align.

So I count that as a FOS worthy fact especially at GGQ and Lanaia.

Lurking has EXTREMELY clear plus sides for a scum player in this setup and there is HUGE plus sides for a scum player to establish that it is ok to lurk or that saying lurking isnt a good scum strat.

Lurking is probably the only non breadcrumb way (at least day 1) for the scum to say IM SCUM day 1. It prevents them, from killing each other. This point has already been made but it deserves to be in this post next to these players names.

Once again:

redff never mentions lurking once.
Refallen never mentions lurking once.
Jackal58 never mentions lurking once.
Zephirdd never mentions lurking once.
Cwave never mentions lurking once.
GGQ says that lurkers are not scum because the scum will not want to lurk.
Lanaia says that lurking is a null tell on alignment.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 29 2012 06:49 GMT
#505
Now for a closer look at one lurker in particular-

GGQ.

You have 15 total posts in this thread.
Your first 4 posts have nothing to do with this game.

You have filler posts like this in there:
On January 26 2012 14:05 GGQ wrote:
We actually have no confirmation of any medics, and it looks like there's only one KP so there might not be a medic at all.

On January 27 2012 04:34 GGQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 04:25 Zephirdd wrote:
Let me summarize the plan for you guys.

Don't worry about semantics, just try to not create leaders. This way scum won't have a solid target.

Why is it so hard to understand something that simple?


<3

On January 27 2012 04:48 GGQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 04:34 Jackal58 wrote:
On January 27 2012 04:34 GGQ wrote:
On January 27 2012 04:25 Zephirdd wrote:
Let me summarize the plan for you guys.

Don't worry about semantics, just try to not create leaders. This way scum won't have a solid target.

Why is it so hard to understand something that simple?


<3

And there is another one.


Jackal and logic have never gotten along well together.

On January 28 2012 09:11 GGQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 09:03 Blazinghand wrote:
On January 28 2012 08:59 Lanaia wrote:
On January 28 2012 08:55 Blazinghand wrote:
On January 28 2012 08:53 Lanaia wrote:
On January 28 2012 08:48 Blazinghand wrote:
On January 28 2012 08:46 Lanaia wrote:
All you have on Meapak is that he's been lurking. That says shit all for his alignment. I am not moving my vote onto meapak, at least not today. We have about 15min to deadline. It's highly unlikely to get the lynch you want at this point in time.
You're tunneling. Why didn't you do this earlier in the day? Your logic doesn't feel completely sound to me.
Holy hell you are tunneling so badly. You should have been pushing him all day. I don't like how you're acting and it actually really frightens me.

How. The. Fuck....
How is MZ hustling?


Oh yes you're right i should have pushed my massive case on MZ with his 2 posts of filter.

OH NO WAIT HE HAS ONLY 2 POSTS OF FILTER. You know I sort of thought my original one-paragraph case was self-evident. I kinda figured other people would be like "hey you know what this guy is lurking pretty hard and trying to lead us by the nose" but it turns out all we are are sheeple in here and we are getting hustled

what did you want some freaking phd thesis on the two posts MZ has written? God you're terrible


1. You don't need to be rude.
2. All you have is "oh, he hasn't been active and therefore is scum" which is not something that logically follows. If it applies to him, it has to reply to everyone.
3. You're being unnecessarily aggressive. Calm down. Why didn't you try to push this earlier then? How do you know he's trying to lead us anywhere? Real life stuff can pop up. Just saying the same thing over and over and over isn't going to get people to listen to you.


1) ??
2) yes it does, and it applies to everyone, and he is the most egregious example
3) I wasn't here in the thread earlier, and i come back and everyone's wagoned onto some BS lynches. We only have 5 minutes left so a voteswitch isnt' happening. I'd like to say more about MZ but it turns out... hey! he's like got no content to analyze.

Why are you defending him so much mr scumbuddy

Well, I suppose I might as well lock in the lesser of two evils.

##Vote: Radfield


Scum doesn't know who other scum is. You just called me scum. Why aren't you voting me?
If you keep trying to get people to go on your wagon, and if they do, they'll still be sheeple as you so politely call them.

Refallen, you have literally one minute.


You know what scum does day 1? They don't know who other scum is so they try to be unhelpful and push crappy lynches and crappy arguments (see: your entire idea on the bum lynch and massive attempts to derail MZ switch) or the lurk (MZ).


How ironic

On January 29 2012 06:15 GGQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 05:39 redFF wrote:
On January 29 2012 00:59 Cwave wrote:
Ahhh man..... Fail that radfield was our Leo....

you cunt


Seriously, bud, stop being such an asshole. It's completely unnecessary regardless of your alignment.

I might not be back before lynch, so if I die I suspect bumatlarge, Cwave, and blazinghand. After that look at redFF, refallen and lanaia.


Some of those aren't completely unrelated to the game but they are at best comments on things already said that do not help in the least in finding scum.

So 5 throw away filler posts, 4 posts not about the game and 6 real posts.

You are lurking so hard and you have also claimed that the scum won't be lurkers even though it is very VERY clear (and was pointed out a long time ago) why the scum will want to lurk.

Scum.

Found.

##vote GGQ
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 29 2012 06:59 GMT
#506
The tl'dr of my case on GGQ:


Hey guys, Lurkers aren't scum don't worry look for people that aren't lurking and lynch them.

BRB I need to lurk a shit ton.


He literally said that.

Literally.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 29 2012 06:59 GMT
#507
Ok not literally.

G'Night thread see you guys tomorrow.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
January 29 2012 17:17 GMT
#521
On January 30 2012 00:20 Zephirdd wrote:
@V7

wtf bro
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303792&currentpage=16#314

Of course I mention lurkers, what I don't do is to copy-and-paste the thoughts that Lurking is REALLY scummy this game, because it was said two or three times already.

@redFF
What the fuck? õ_o
Considering Greymist is a host, I'd assume it's a role in the terms of "I can only investigate someone who voted me" from Steamship Liquida, did I hit it spot on? :D



VOTECOUNT
Show nested quote +
Cwave(2): redFF, bumatlarge

bumatlarge(2): Lanaia, Navillus

GGQ(1): vaderseven

redFF(1): Refallen

Refallen(1): Jackal58



Bah sorry I was reading too fast then last night.

My vote and points and still valid.
vaderseven
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January 29 2012 19:52 GMT
#530
On January 30 2012 02:18 Scamp wrote:
Well this is just awesome, I wake up to a smattering of votes. While four of you have it right, I'm now suspicious of vaderseven, Refallen, and Jackal58. Don't pretend that the Radfield debacle isn't important or a good source of information.

Refallen may get a reprieve here depending on what happens with redFF, but I personally don't get what he's doing at all. If he has some kind of power that activates when people vote him, then why doesn't he ask for everyone to vote him? The rules don't actually say anything about when the lynch ends, I think it's just at the end of the day. I don't think there's any kind of majority hammer.

Also this seriously caught my eye.

Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 13:38 Navillus wrote:
1. While I would love a CWave lynch and think the Wiggles shot also points to him being scum, I also think the Wiggles shot was probably them fishing for blues.


How exactly do you figure this?


??

Whats your suspicion of me based on? I dont like random FOS at people, give reasons!

I think that the radfield lycnh is ofc a valid source of info but I think GGQ is getting away with some seriously scummy shit here. I would be doing such a huge disservice to notice that shit and not comment on it.

GGQ says that lurkers arent scummy and that scum will post enough to not be called lurkers. With the setup in mind, lurking is so pro scum that I dont even know how he felt able to say that except in order to cover for the scummy move of lurking... which he is doing.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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January 29 2012 23:34 GMT
#547
On January 30 2012 08:25 GGQ wrote:
No time to chat, Cwave is scum, see you all tomorrow.


This guy cant seriously get away with this can he?
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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January 29 2012 23:35 GMT
#548
And are you saying that lurking is trully something that only town would do??? You said that earlier. Defend that position.
vaderseven
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January 29 2012 23:46 GMT
#551
On January 30 2012 08:44 Lanaia wrote:
Red doesn't feel like how he normally feels when I think he's scum and when I think he's scum he's usually town so I think he's probably actually scum right now. But we'll see eventually.


Dear god game solved gg.

(joking ofc)
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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January 30 2012 20:24 GMT
#599
I will weigh in on the vote leader when I get off work. This game day kinda slipped by me and I feel like the thread has really just moved past where I am...

Anyways, ill be posting in like 2 hours.
vaderseven
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January 31 2012 03:17 GMT
#626
food poisoning

sick
vaderseven
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January 31 2012 18:27 GMT
#637
Apperently some food worker didnt wash his hands when he made my salad for luncg yesterday. Me and 3 coworkers all have mild salmonellosis. I feel alot better but fucking dead tired. In my sick state I havent checked the thread but for like 10 minutes and I see bum flipped green. I say get GGQ. Im going to take a nap I'll check in tonight.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 01 2012 15:39 GMT
#700
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303792&user=38664


....



-_-


##vote GGQ
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 01 2012 18:02 GMT
#710
On February 02 2012 02:07 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 02:04 Hesmyrr wrote:
Jackal. If you are so certain Refallen is scum, why aren't you voting him, or in fact excluded him on your scum-list?
Also still waiting for your response Refallen.

My scum list was 3 I hadn't voted for. And my vote is going to go on Refallen. redFF seemed to be begging for another vote. Fwiw I don't really see red as scum. I'm just calling him scum to piss him off. Cause that's like a hobby of mine.


This post will probably be the reason I end up voting you over GGQ. A hobby of yours? Wtf man so your hobby is to post lies to piss people off?
vaderseven
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February 01 2012 21:53 GMT
#715
Seeing as the OP makes no mention one way or the other I think there is no way to answer that Lanaia.

Is GGQ up for being modkilled at this point for inactivity?
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 02 2012 00:25 GMT
#723
Jackal, be useful and respound to that post instead of posting stupidness.
vaderseven
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February 02 2012 16:38 GMT
#770
So scamp, refallen, and ggq might expire today?

I think that sounds just fine!
vaderseven
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February 04 2012 00:10 GMT
#845
Alright. I have sat back, died, slept off the feeling of death, and then sat back a bit more. Apathy took over me and stayed my hand for a bit but as I start to really feel better I find myself overwhelmed by two feelings. Bewilderment and Anger.



There is constant accusations of associations and how loud player X is scum or loud player Y is dumb and X isn’t scum but loud player Z is actually the scum. People are ignoring a lot that has been said in favor of calling each other names and the like.



Basically, I think this town, no this whole thread, has become completely filled with useless conjecture that isn’t based in sound logic concerning the setup and the actions of the people in it. I am going to make an effort to bring the discussion back to that now.



Some conclusions that I am operating on that the people in this thread need to at least consider: The mafia are going to act very independently this game. With that in mind the mafia players are each going to act WAY more self serving than even in a traditional game. They have to. Another thing, saying if one person is scum/town then another is scum/town is a stupid course of action in this setup. Yes stupid.



The reason that we haven’t lynched a single scum AND that scum haven’t killed one of their own is simply because the scum are laying low. I pointed this out before and I even found the single player that is abusing this idea to the highest level. This was ignored in favor of lynching a person who claimed to not have had time to read for very long before vote was required or he would be mod killed. As if it would make any sense for a scum player that is playing to win to pop in and last second vote AND to draw huge amounts of attention to it. Such a gambit would only make sense in a setup where the mafia has access to power roles that manipulate night actions (framer roleblocker) (if you think the mafia DOES have such PRs say so, I take it as a balance issue for them not to… did the previous sleeper cell game have mafia power roles?).



The mafia don’t know who each other are and they don’t want to be lynched. Starting with the start of day 2, it became clear that lurking was going to be largely acceptable because we had ‘better’ targets to lynch. With the loud players voting off other loud players and the mafia killing off loud players… it seems the only ones that have an easy way to live out their days is the silent lurkers. Starting with today, I will be pressuring everyone to justify GGQ’s actions as anything that isn’t anti-town because I cannot see a single reason for a player to play like he is except one of a self preserving nature.



So the primary way of finding mafia is just by lynching players who aren't contributing to the town but aren't completely lurking.




GGQ said that on day 1. I brought this up before, but it needs to be brought up again. This is a complete scum post. It outlines a way of lynching players that are not lurkers as a primary goal.



Other than that, GGQ only deems it worthy to post one liners and to randomly throw FOS out at multiple people at a time with no evidence. He is creating confusion while adding nothing at all to any case. He also posted a one liner calling a case on him shit.



HE goes inactive for a long time and then drops in to say and I quote:



Did you think I was joking when I said I had no time to chat?



Sorry but I think it’s honestly pretty obvious at this point. The people that are scummiest are the people that everyone is talking about lynching.




My god. How did you guys let him get away with this?



The most he gives us to add to a discussion yesterday is that his gut instinct is to vote meapak/scamp. He does this after a sheep vote on refallen gets called scummy. That was also a last minute vote.



If you have NOT read his filter, you are being a lazy moron. Its short and boring and adds nothing new about anything other than the fact that it confirms that he is lynching and sheeping his way out of every lime light.



Come on guys, it’s the town’s job to prevent the scum from lurking a way to victory and in this setup we should be MORE wary of it not less.



That or we can go back to seeing which loud case about a loud player generates the most votes from the people that post small tidbits and then all sheep onto that person. That seems to be working out pretty well (for the scum).



##vote GGQ
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 04 2012 00:21 GMT
#846
If you have NOT read his filter, you are being a lazy moron. Its short and boring and adds nothing new about anything other than the fact that it confirms that he is lurking and sheeping his way out of every lime light.

edited part in bold
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 04 2012 00:30 GMT
#849
Lanaia, comment on GGQ before I explode.
vaderseven
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February 04 2012 00:31 GMT
#850
On February 04 2012 09:29 GGQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 09:21 vaderseven wrote:
If you have NOT read his filter, you are being a lazy moron. Its short and boring and adds nothing new about anything other than the fact that it confirms that he is lurking and sheeping his way out of every lime light.

edited part in bold


How many limelights are there? Look at vaderseven's filter and explain to me why it's better than mine.


Dude you lurk so hard that savior cant get you to start doing shit.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 04 2012 00:45 GMT
#852
I have a mostly neutral lead slightly leaning scum but I dont trust that because I suspect it is more anger at his attitude than his actual actions...

I dont know really.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 04 2012 00:46 GMT
#853
I do know that his play style this game does not fit with how I feel scum should play given the towns lax attitude towards lurking and lieing low.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 04 2012 00:49 GMT
#855
I really feel like we cant get good cases built on people like red (if he is scum) until we deal with the outliers in this game like GGQ.

They are sheeping and last second voting and are really in control over this game as much as you or I but without allowing their words to be committed to posts.

What really gets me is how this style makes them an easy DONT SHOOT ME target at night because they are leading the town to any lynches or making cases etc.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 04 2012 00:50 GMT
#856
On February 04 2012 09:49 Lanaia wrote:
Vader, do you think he'd be hiding by doing what he's doing if he is scum?


100%.
vaderseven
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February 04 2012 00:52 GMT
#857
On February 04 2012 09:49 vaderseven wrote:
I really feel like we cant get good cases built on people like red (if he is scum) until we deal with the outliers in this game like GGQ.

They are sheeping and last second voting and are really in control over this game as much as you or I but without allowing their words to be committed to posts.

What really gets me is how this style makes them an easy DONT SHOOT ME target at night because they aren't leading the town to any lynches or making cases etc.


edit in bold
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 04 2012 00:53 GMT
#858
On February 04 2012 09:49 Lanaia wrote:
People I am willing to lynch today:
GGQ
Heymyrr
Zeph
Possibly redff.


I agree minus the strike out.

GGQ is the most likely of these to flip scum based on my reads.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 04 2012 01:00 GMT
#861
GGQ first!

You actually just made me more sure of it!
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 04 2012 01:04 GMT
#863
I know right?

at least you dont get the same mispelling for year after year...

Since I choose the name vaderseven back like 15 years ago people read it and say vander.

:G

Lanaia should die for the transgression.

Is no one else on?
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 04 2012 01:16 GMT
#870
Red do me again!

More ways that im bad!!!!

Do tell!
vaderseven
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February 04 2012 01:22 GMT
#876
I didn't say that red, I never said he's "not scum."

I just flat out know with the whole of my mafia playing mind that GGQ is scum. Get rid of this cancer first pls then we can have a better discussion that doesnt end with last minute vote changes from the silent scum player.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 04 2012 01:27 GMT
#884
On February 04 2012 10:24 Hesmyrr wrote:
Red, it's 5-5 today.


Scum slip!?!?!?!?
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 04 2012 01:39 GMT
#897
pls show crumbs
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 04 2012 01:42 GMT
#900
Im not moving off GGQ bar a scum claim ala TL mafia 47
vaderseven
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February 04 2012 01:42 GMT
#902
On February 04 2012 10:42 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 10:41 Hesmyrr wrote:
LOL. If you seriously prioritize "scum-tell" over scuminess I'll be sad. Note how GGQ immediately jumped in here with accusation against me the moment he got something to throw against me?

I think you've been scummy too.

This is an overreaction.


Agreed it is.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 04 2012 02:01 GMT
#923
On February 04 2012 11:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 10:34 redFF wrote:
On February 04 2012 10:29 redFF wrote:
On February 04 2012 10:26 Lanaia wrote:
Intelligence agent, my sanity test came back sane. Each night I inspected the person who either I thought was most scummy or town seemed to think was most scummy.
Night one, Blazinghand.
Night two, CWave.
Night three, Jackal.

They were all either green or blue.
I won't attribute who was what to protect a fellow blue.

What does sanity test mean, when did you receive the results of it.

I wouldn't naturally assume that cop's were told their sanity, as it defeats the point of cop sanities...

I'm actually thinking you botched a fakeclaim here up :/

Explain why you checked who you checked.


lanaia actually already claimed detective earlier in this thread, and also claimed that I was not town.


Clear this up lanaia. Show the breadcrumbs.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 04 2012 03:28 GMT
#965
On February 04 2012 11:58 Blazinghand wrote:
It could be so that the mafia don't know how many cops there are? or maybe on the flip sanities aren't revealed, or something? this is definitely an "ask igrok" question


Good calls and I guess it does really match the OP and the breadcrumbs are legit etc.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 04 2012 04:16 GMT
#970
On February 04 2012 12:32 redFF wrote:
what do you think of naia's claim vader?


I think its legit. Why do you think otherwise?
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 04 2012 04:18 GMT
#971
On February 04 2012 12:31 redFF wrote:
somebody please vote and unvote me


Whats this about or is it like just not a good thing to talk about? Don't even respond if thats the case.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 04 2012 04:43 GMT
#975
so...

Have you guys looked at GGQ lately?
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 04 2012 19:45 GMT
#1000
On February 05 2012 01:50 redFF wrote:
people checked by a cop are not confirmed. I thin the chance of a gf in this game is reasonably high.

I think we should lynch scamp as I'm almost positive he'll flip scum.


What did the first SC game have PR wise for scum. I was assuming that there wasn't PRs that aren't in the OP then I read closers and realized its written in a way that there actually can be.

I took a look at scamp and jackal this morning with a fresh mind etc.

I think GGQ > scamp >> jackal as far as chance to flip scum.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 04 2012 21:45 GMT
#1004
When is the deadline, ill change to him if the ggq thing doesnt happen to help prevent any last second BS.
vaderseven
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February 07 2012 03:42 GMT
#1072
##vote redFF
##unvote redFF
vaderseven
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February 07 2012 19:24 GMT
#1087
On February 08 2012 03:58 Hesmyrr wrote:
##Vote: Hesmyrr


On February 08 2012 03:02 Hesmyrr wrote:
Why don't you kill me and find out
Jesus Christ this town.


Da Fuck?

I was at a lose as to how to approach today as it is lylo or lylo -1 at best (4 or 5 scum... I can't see 3 scum in this setup especially after looking at the sleeper cell 1 setip) and noone has really listened to me even though I made it VERY CLEAR that voting GGQ is the ez choice for nailing scum.

You just made it easier I think.

You litterally aren't allowed to 'ruin the game' which I think self voting as town would do.

Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to):
...
2. Ruining the game
...


There is no hammer in this game so there is no reason for me to hold my vote while you come to your senses. You are either claiming scum or trying to set the town up to lose on purpose.

##vote Hesmyrr

If you grow up and decide to try to play the game out do let us know because I would love to see how this all plays out without someone emo quiting at this point.

>=/

I mean really, we have all invested time (some of us got sick enough that we thought death was possible during the game and still played it out... just sayin) and its just not fair no matter the team you are on to pull this stunt.

I also tend to find it is scum players that pull this kind of stunt. Especially this late in the game.

If Hesmyrr is scum like he pretty much just confirmed he is, that means RedFF has some explaining to do. I am fairly sure that means you are scum. Explain this vote / unvote thing please. At this point, it isn't a matter timing it is a matter of you are pretty much confirmed scum and you have been shady about something in the thread. Now I have to call you on that and find out whats up.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 07 2012 19:32 GMT
#1088
BTW, if anyone wants to wake up and realize how simple of a matter it is to lynch GGQ as scum I will be down for that ANYTIME.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 07 2012 19:33 GMT
#1089
On February 08 2012 04:32 vaderseven wrote:
BTW, if anyone wants to wake up and realize how simple of a matter it is to lynch GGQ as scum I will be down for that ANYTIME.


Poor wording

BTW, if anyone wants to wake up and realize how simple of a matter it is to lynch GGQ, as he is scum, I will be down for that ANYTIME.

Bolded edit
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 07 2012 20:25 GMT
#1092
I noticed its legal nature in the rules as well. Is this something we should WORRY about? Is this self vote a wierd trigger for something?

The only other reason that I can see for that rule is some connection to redff requesting votes.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 08 2012 05:07 GMT
#1098
Red, Im reacting to the reads given by our dead DT and idea of 4 scum.

If I have to scream till Im blue in the face that GGQ is scum I will but at this point no one seems to give a flying fuck.

I am very willing to move on to self voters in situations where apathetic town would just go afk instead of putting on the drama.

Notice how I have mentioned that GGQ is obv scum like every other post for fucking ever.

Notice how no one cares?

Would you keep that pressure on for that long when there is other scummy as fucks around?

But lol at you posting that me talking about anything else makes me scummy ;D

I mean, jeez, its not like the guy didn't ask for it. He self voted and emo quit the game during my lunch break.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 08 2012 05:08 GMT
#1099
BTW i like how you are willing to down one obv scum and then move on to these chain lynches that seem to avoid the most obv scum of all game which IS ggq.

GG QQ.
vaderseven
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February 08 2012 21:31 GMT
#1113
Omg GGQ's post count in the thread just like doubled whoaa.
vaderseven
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February 08 2012 23:44 GMT
#1118
lol jackal awesome
vaderseven
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February 08 2012 23:59 GMT
#1119


code s games almost done ahhh i want the night post before i go ladder
vaderseven
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February 09 2012 03:54 GMT
#1143
When EXACTLY will the day start?
vaderseven
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February 09 2012 04:16 GMT
#1146
I want to post something in case I die but I dont want it to influence night kills.
vaderseven
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February 09 2012 06:31 GMT
#1153
On February 09 2012 14:13 redFF wrote:
why in christ's name would you die


God what possible purpose does your question serve man? I feel like you read every post of mine lately with the preconceived notion that I am scum and justify your conclusions from that point on.

Assume im town and posted that. Why would a town player post that and then answer the question you posted? Get my point?
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 10 2012 05:07 GMT
#1236
Red are you there?
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 10 2012 05:18 GMT
#1238
Ok, I was going to hold off on claiming this but I got a very interesting result last night. I really hope red is around to comment on this.

I am a Detective. I did not breadcrumb anything except a brief mention of turning blue in the face about GGQ. I am fairly nervous that the mafia have some kind of power role that will have sniffed me out by now and my result for last night's scan has doubled that fear. Until last night, my death would have made it CLEAR what my results were (GGQ is scum) but now I have a very weird and unexpected result.

scanned GGQ n1 sleeper agent
scanned n2 didn't submit an action
scanned Hesmyrr n3 sleeper agent
scanned redff n4 no result

I didn't get told I was roleblocked last night. I was specifically told there was "no result." I do not know if this was because of something targeted at me, something targeted at redff, some ability of redff, or something else.

Redff, did you get any message or confirmation of some unnamed ability? Are you untargeteable as long as someone votes and unvotes you? Can you offer us anything here?

I don't really have a strong read on you one way or the other. I think you are tunneling and aggressive and might be suffering from confirmation bias on and off this whole game but I don't really have anything in my notes that says anything more than that. When I applied light pressure to you yesterday you just went into a tunnel-ish (though much shorter lived than say your tunnel on jackal) confirmation bias-ish omgus. With that in mind, and I think the rest of us have at least similar feelings about you, can you add some light to my result for last night?

GGQ needs to die today before I just explode.

Let me make that clear.

I am a sane Detective and I have a SCUM RESULT on GGQ. Lynch him now.

##vote GGQ

BTW, I think today is Day 6 not Day 5. I just went and checked through all my results and notes to make sure because I was confused and thought I was off a bit but no this HAS to be day 6 lol... right???
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 10 2012 05:21 GMT
#1239
I shouldn't have to make it clear that we should be very worried about the tricks the mafia team should have up thier sleeves with the roles that the town has in this game. Sadly, I *think* GGQ is a 'normal goon' type based on my result. The ONLY acceptable discussion for a different lynch (and honestly it is probably still only worth discussing) is some indication of a found scum power role.
vaderseven
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February 10 2012 05:24 GMT
#1240
edwop:

scanned GGQ n1 sleeper agent
scanned n2 didn't submit an action
scanned Navillus n3 Honest Citizen
scanned Hesmyrr n4 sleeper agent
scanned redff n5 no result


Sorry to many windows open as I was looking through notes and being confused by the day post saying day 5 for today.
vaderseven
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February 10 2012 05:27 GMT
#1243
I was dieing n2.
vaderseven
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February 10 2012 05:28 GMT
#1244
On February 10 2012 14:26 Blazinghand wrote:
So aside from "no result" on redFF your claim is worthless and you forgot you use your action n2


Saying that is worthless is kinda short sighted. I mentioned lynch GGQ and Blue in the face in the same line and suddenly my scan stopped working.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
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February 10 2012 05:30 GMT
#1246
On February 08 2012 14:07 vaderseven wrote:
Red, Im reacting to the reads given by our dead DT and idea of 4 scum.

If I have to scream till Im blue in the face that GGQ is scum I will but at this point no one seems to give a flying fuck.

I am very willing to move on to self voters in situations where apathetic town would just go afk instead of putting on the drama.

Notice how I have mentioned that GGQ is obv scum like every other post for fucking ever.

Notice how no one cares?

Would you keep that pressure on for that long when there is other scummy as fucks around?

But lol at you posting that me talking about anything else makes me scummy ;D

I mean, jeez, its not like the guy didn't ask for it. He self voted and emo quit the game during my lunch break.

vaderseven
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February 10 2012 05:30 GMT
#1247
God damn enter key, that was supposed to be at the end of this post.

On February 10 2012 14:18 vaderseven wrote:
Ok, I was going to hold off on claiming this but I got a very interesting result last night. I really hope red is around to comment on this.

I am a Detective. I did not breadcrumb anything except a brief mention of turning blue in the face about GGQ.


From my claim moments ago. Ill find that blue in the face post.

On February 08 2012 14:07 vaderseven wrote:
Red, Im reacting to the reads given by our dead DT and idea of 4 scum.

If I have to scream till Im blue in the face that GGQ is scum I will but at this point no one seems to give a flying fuck.

I am very willing to move on to self voters in situations where apathetic town would just go afk instead of putting on the drama.

Notice how I have mentioned that GGQ is obv scum like every other post for fucking ever.

Notice how no one cares?

Would you keep that pressure on for that long when there is other scummy as fucks around?

But lol at you posting that me talking about anything else makes me scummy ;D

I mean, jeez, its not like the guy didn't ask for it. He self voted and emo quit the game during my lunch break.

vaderseven
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February 10 2012 05:32 GMT
#1250

On February 10 2012 14:18 vaderseven wrote:
Ok, I was going to hold off on claiming this but I got a very interesting result last night. I really hope red is around to comment on this.

I am a Detective. I did not breadcrumb anything except a brief mention of turning blue in the face about GGQ.


The night I scanned Hesh was the night before he got lynched. Red commented how I seemed to be very easy going about moving my vote over to him and that is why.
vaderseven
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February 10 2012 05:36 GMT
#1251
Im heading to bed in like 5 minutes so ill f5 once more before bed so if you are dieing to get some reply out of me do so nowww.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 10 2012 05:47 GMT
#1253
BTW as one last point that I thought I had in my post but again I am a disorganized multi tabb'd mess...

I know that as we approach the end game claims and the like become harder and harder to confirm just because there is less time left in the game. With the lynch of GGQ ****finally**** on the table and center stage I wanted to explain my scans and the reasons of my actions in the game while there was a flip left to be done from my scans. With the very real possibility of me getting blocked or whatever happened for the rest of the game it would be impossible to do so if GGQ is lynched.

g'night

vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 10 2012 05:48 GMT
#1254
edwop:

With the very real possibility of me getting blocked or whatever happened for the rest of the game it would be impossible to do so if GGQ is lynched before I claim.

added bold.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 10 2012 16:20 GMT
#1261
I was using the word tunnel in the sense that you tend to focus COMPLETELY on one very specific person at a time when you had not looked at them at all before. Like I said, tunnel-ish. I lacked a better word.

I am downright puzzled at how this setup is balanced. I don't doubt that it probably is relativity balanced... but a scum team with communication nerfed and the list of power roles for town...

o_O

Is there like a lynch proof scum or some BS?
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 10 2012 16:21 GMT
#1262
Whats with the vote/unvote thing?
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 10 2012 16:24 GMT
#1264
On February 11 2012 01:21 Blazinghand wrote:
i would be very surprised if there was a lynch proof scum, since town doesn't have KP roles, it seems.


I was half joking and half afraid that the idea is that the scum have to kill that scum... meaning checkmate if he is last dead.

I don't really believe that (if its the truth we can't really plan for it or counter it) but this town is full of power roles.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 10 2012 16:31 GMT
#1265
On February 10 2012 09:29 Jackal58 wrote:
iGrok said he might be late.
I have no interest in lynching redFF if I'm alive at the next day post. Nobody else should either.
However if red cannot or will not or gives a bogus explanation for his vote/unvote bs after tomorrow I will have no problem killing him over whoever else is remaining. I strongly urge which ever of us is remaining from Lanaia's pool of townies to take the same approach to red.


I basically can't find fault with this even with your claim in mind red.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 10 2012 16:43 GMT
#1269
Thats it in a nutshell yes. Good point about the 'win condition mod.' That seems to make some sense. I still am honestly nervous about red but like...

From Scummiest to Not as Scummiest -

GGQ (99.9999% confirmed)
Zeph
RedFF

I keep thinking about Hess saying 5 scum.

I want to just turbo through these days now.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 10 2012 16:44 GMT
#1270
For reference:

On February 04 2012 10:24 Hesmyrr wrote:
Red, it's 5-5 today.

vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 10 2012 16:47 GMT
#1272
On February 03 2012 09:48 GreYMisT wrote:
Mafia wins when they outnumber Town and Town has no killing roles remaining.


On February 03 2012 10:02 iGrok wrote:
Mafia Wins when nothing can prevent them from winning. GreYMisT is dumb.

:p



That REALLY supports your theory BHands.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 10 2012 16:48 GMT
#1274
ok g2g for now, ill check the thread tonight but I think we are mostly in a wait and see mode
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 10 2012 18:33 GMT
#1297
Ya bh that makes sense.

Zeph you want to vote the claimed BP over the scanned scum?
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 10 2012 18:55 GMT
#1300
vote yes for 24/24 cycles
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 10 2012 19:17 GMT
#1301
Man my scan tonight is so worthless. I can scan red, zeph, or re scan one that lanaia scanned.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 10 2012 19:53 GMT
#1306
I scanned hes cuz i really didnt want a mislynch and if had shown up green I woulda claimed and said hes is green and ggq is red dont fuck this up...

That was my reasoning.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 10 2012 20:14 GMT
#1309
I didnt want to be labeled blue by the scum. Simple as that. Thats why i said after hes self voted that he made things alot easier for me.

My day 2 actions were to pressure some people so I could get some reactions before I settled in on ggq. I also needed time to make a solid logical case so that it would conceal the fact that i had extra info on his align.

vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 10 2012 21:16 GMT
#1312
Rofl he doesnt even dispute the results. Just says worst claim. It kinda implies that he believes the claim even through thats me reading between the lines of a one line post.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 10 2012 21:30 GMT
#1315
BH can post the exact same you just posted but replace all instances ggq with zephirdd?
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 10 2012 21:34 GMT
#1317
I think his actions today and his interaction with red last night or whenever are pretty good pieces of evidence. What makes you not as sure though? Would rather discuss that than anything else right now.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 10 2012 21:39 GMT
#1319
oh so you mean 95%<99.99%

gotcha
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 10 2012 22:46 GMT
#1321
Its more for post game talk but really I saw no advantage at all of holding my cards any longer.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 10 2012 22:47 GMT
#1322
It makes me roll my eyes and sad that you would agree with that way before you agree with any of the posts I made that pointed out the very obvious reason that GGQ is scum.

</3
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 12 2012 01:13 GMT
#1341
I found out my sanity when I got my first scan result.

I didn't scan n2 because I was incredibly sick and very out of it and just plain forget to do it.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 12 2012 20:04 GMT
#1353
I stand in awe at the mass decission to go for a discussion about who is the best night kill, at night, in a setup where scum co communication is haphazard at best. If there is more than one scum alive at this point you guys are being stupid pls stop.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 12 2012 20:46 GMT
#1363
Seriously guys stop giving the logic needed to group think scum actions at night. Save your feelings about my claim etc till the post game THEY BELONG THERE.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 13 2012 01:21 GMT
#1378
On February 13 2012 09:09 redFF wrote:
so erm lets hear v7s check



DRUMROLL PLS
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 13 2012 01:21 GMT
#1379
*drum roll*
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 13 2012 01:22 GMT
#1380
Zeph is a 'sleeper agent'.

##vote Zephirdd
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 13 2012 01:25 GMT
#1381
btw red i think you are voting me it looks like cuz u never unvoted in vote thread.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 13 2012 01:34 GMT
#1384
On February 13 2012 10:33 redFF wrote:
LOL WHY DID YOU NOT KILL HIM


I keep running different ideas through my head and non are actually logically all the way out to their conclusion. The ones taht make the most sense assume he is BAD at the game and didnt get it OR that there is a GF.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 13 2012 01:49 GMT
#1389
On February 13 2012 10:42 Zephirdd wrote:
mb I"m miller


Maybe?
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 13 2012 02:24 GMT
#1390
I highly doubt you are a hidden miller.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 13 2012 21:47 GMT
#1400
*yawn*
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 01:17 GMT
#1409
On February 14 2012 10:14 redFF wrote:
if its just scum shooting themselves trololol then i will be so mad

vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 01:19 GMT
#1410
x2 if its your red.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 02:15 GMT
#1413
:o
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 02:16 GMT
#1414
omg faster
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 02:20 GMT
#1415
5 mins was 5 mins ago qq
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 02:21 GMT
#1417
OMG i f5'd so i could get tghat vote in and win the game fuck.






FUCK
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 02:22 GMT
#1419
I made a big write up at work that i didnt send to myself cuz I thought game would be done tomorrow.

I need to learn to read. Tech I won by the OP rules but I agree with this decision even before its explained.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 02:23 GMT
#1423
On February 14 2012 11:22 iGrok wrote:

[2/12/2012 5:32:18 PM] Jack "iGrok" Dickerson: if red votes first and vadar doesn't vote, red dies (becuase thats his role)


Was not going to happen.

I was sitting f5ing the main thread while mouse was over the post button in a different window. I wondered if something like this was the case but I couldn't confirm this.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 02:24 GMT
#1426
On February 14 2012 11:22 Blazinghand wrote:
Good work, gents. V7 your story really didn't add up, and I had you on my shit list, but unfortunately I wasn't able to get you. Good work, though. Well played. Also what is Attention whore.


Honestly the scum team was well... it lurked to the endgame.

I actually had no confirmation about Hess or GGQ but I could just tell they were scum.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 02:27 GMT
#1428
One thing that was really throwing me off as made my fake claim was how some scum flipped Sleeper Agent and others flipped Cell Agent. I was scared about having to explain that when i called em all Sleepers.

GG red.

btw, I bet im the only player on TL right now that has an undefeated record as scum without having won a game as scum while still having played scum 2 times.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 02:28 GMT
#1430
On February 14 2012 11:25 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 11:24 vaderseven wrote:
On February 14 2012 11:22 Blazinghand wrote:
Good work, gents. V7 your story really didn't add up, and I had you on my shit list, but unfortunately I wasn't able to get you. Good work, though. Well played. Also what is Attention whore.


Honestly the scum team was well... it lurked to the endgame.

I actually had no confirmation about Hess or GGQ but I could just tell they were scum.


GGQ was pretty clear. That was a really solid bus.


BTW you fucked me up. You planted in my head the notion that end game with red vs 1 scum was an auto tie. Thats what I began to shoot for as things were just not going to go any other way because there was too many obvs scum. I could make myself last right till 1 + me left with the claim I had done. Little did I know if I had read how the lynch works I could have voted redff yesterday before Cwave got on and we would have won.

I am a fucking noob.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 02:29 GMT
#1431
On February 14 2012 11:28 Zephirdd wrote:
What, GGQ even broadcast "QisSleeper", how wouldn't you realize he was scum, being the only "Q" ingame? D:

What bugged me was Hesmyrr being scum and bum not.


o didnt even take that one in. Wait till people see the night messages. Shit was kinda bad.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 02:30 GMT
#1434
On February 14 2012 11:29 GreYMisT wrote:
My question is why, with rad dead, you guys didnt just look at your player number and broadcast #1 is scum or #7 is scum or something, you could have all confirmed yourselves before night 2


Or they could have just did what I did and said things like DARTH#isME or V7isSCUM or whatever I did first two messages.

I did that first message btw to try to find the inception agent out... LOL that wasn't needed.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 02:44 GMT
#1444
What was with the Sleeper Agent vs Cell Agent thing?
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 02:52 GMT
#1450
fyi my TL record as playing as scum is now this:

0 wins
0 loses
2 ties

lol
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 02:54 GMT
#1454
ty hosts I had a good time!

I didn't like when I realized how ties in votes were handled... I realized that on page 70 after Cwave voted Zeph. If I had realized it just a few hours earlier I would have won the game nice and simple right then.

I personally do not like how an even number of scum vs town (especially in the 1v1 situation) could end up coming down to things like speed of posting a vote but tbh I could have avoided that completely had I read the rules more carefully.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 03:03 GMT
#1464
People often let people claim things they shouldn't because "oh hes bad and doesnt know how to play."

I abused that because that attitude was already in play from red and I just let that flow.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 03:06 GMT
#1466
haha Hess, for proof that I knew what to do on the final day check the vote thread and note how I was for sure f5ing this thread while waiting to hit post in that one.

I saw the day post and voted for red before I had even a chance to read it. I wanted as good a chance as possible to not lose.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 03:06 GMT
#1469
Red, if you had voted for me before I voted for you on the final day town would have won. There was tech a way for you to win. I don't like that way, but there was a way.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 03:08 GMT
#1474
I think the gimmick for scum to win is for there to be no town left. You could lynch with less than a majority especially since we tried to hit you and that didn't work. With an even number of players and equal count of scum and town there was no side that controlled the lynch just through numbers.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 03:12 GMT
#1484
All things being equal I had several advantages over Red going into the final day post. I knew I needed to vote him and he couldn't 100% be sure that I would be the one he needed to vote. That might have given me say 3 seconds after the day post went up before he was making his vote post. I was f5'ing and post already written for my vote for many minutes. I think it was going to be pretty hard... but possible.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 03:17 GMT
#1490
Depending on the timing of it and the setup I might join it grey.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 03:18 GMT
#1494
On February 14 2012 12:17 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 12:12 vaderseven wrote:
All things being equal I had several advantages over Red going into the final day post. I knew I needed to vote him and he couldn't 100% be sure that I would be the one he needed to vote. That might have given me say 3 seconds after the day post went up before he was making his vote post. I was f5'ing and post already written for my vote for many minutes. I think it was going to be pretty hard... but possible.

this is the perfect summarization of how fucking stupid this game was

Its a summation of my one criticism of the setup but I think it was for sure not a defining part of the game.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 03:20 GMT
#1497
Oh i didn't realize the power jackal had fuck-

SENATOR: You are a Senator up for re-election. Because you are a politician, you are corrupt as shit. You can completely ignore your constituents and cancel the lynch of the day, substituting your own target. Of course, if you do this, you will be impeached and will be unable to do this again. (You will not be modconfirmed, its just a 1-shot power with flavor).
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 03:24 GMT
#1509
red smile or something. You are really mad right now we all get it but venting at everyone isn't well, nice.




gg.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 03:34:08
February 14 2012 03:31 GMT
#1514
Red are you saying they should over turn the tie and mark town as the loser? You DID just get out of a lose you know. I had the vote timing down to im pretty sure the half second to line up to the day post so if they hadn't just ended the game like that I would have voted you before you could vote me. It was a pretty for sure scum win.

just say gg, make your opinion known (I think it is >_>) and BREATHE.

To be clear, I submitted a night action to kill Cwave so yes the game was going into the who votes for the other first race and I was ready and being gay (f5'ing like 2 times per second with my vote written up and mouse on the post button). I was playing to win in a situation that turthfully had a method for either side to win. It just was something you would have to have predicted perfectly and also been approaching in the same manner in order to have a chance.

Im glad its a tie, the scum team deserves that for the fail to lynch you when it was 4 players total (before that its a bit more gray IMO as to town 'had lost'). If it wasn't a tie though, I'm pretty sure scum would have won cuz I was ready.

Keep in mind it is a tie.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 03:34 GMT
#1518
Dang red... I'm out of this thread. Go grab a beer or whatever calms you down.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 06:29:57
February 14 2012 06:21 GMT
#1526
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 13:42 GMT
#1529
On February 14 2012 17:15 Cwave wrote:
Thanks for hosting!

/slap self for thinking Radfield was 100% scum.
/slap self more for not lynching GGQ sooner. I can't believe we let that guy cruise and ultralurk for so long


These were the two largest town mistakes. I really can't believe either happened tbh.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 14:46 GMT
#1535
Having slept on the matter I want to add that IMO this game wasn't a draw because I was playing the end game (last night and last day) 100% correct with the intent to win and it is safe to say that by the timing of my vote I had indeed accomplished creating a situation where in fact scum had a 100% chance to win and town 0%. Im kinda sad that we waited until that moment to end the game in a tie. I kinda feel like the game was allowed to run untill the town had been beaten and the a draw was given.

It doesnt matter though there isnt a ladder or ranking and I had fun. gg
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 14:49 GMT
#1537
On February 14 2012 23:35 Palmar wrote:
Just wanna pop in and say I agree with iGrok's method of running the game. As long as both factions still have a chance to win there is no need to call the game unless the rules explicitly state so.

I mean, I understand it being frustrating to play in a game where you don't think you have a chance at winning, or very little chance, but just try to make the best of it. Or, if you need to, just ask the host to replace you. Then criticize the setup in a constructive manner.


On a seperate note, I agree with this. A careful read of the rules can clearly show how and why eithee side could have won up till the very last second. This game is a good case study in that particular set of rules concerning vote count and lynching but that is a 100% different matter.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 18:35 GMT
#1546
I think the simple solution is you must have more than 50% of the votes to lynch someone or there is a no lyncg. That or change the tie policy.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 19:39 GMT
#1550
Acctually ya zephs idea is the best. The core of this setup is NOT the BP it is the communication that scum use and thw inception agent.

I would say go for town having two dreamer roles that are not identical.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 21:37 GMT
#1556
Some groups play the day vig role where the day instantly ends without a lynch when the day vig shoots. The role is super similae if you are thinking of that kind of day vig.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 21:47 GMT
#1559
On February 14 2012 12:20 vaderseven wrote:
Oh i didn't realize the power jackal had fuck-

SENATOR: You are a Senator up for re-election. Because you are a politician, you are corrupt as shit. You can completely ignore your constituents and cancel the lynch of the day, substituting your own target. Of course, if you do this, you will be impeached and will be unable to do this again. (You will not be modconfirmed, its just a 1-shot power with flavor).

vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 14 2012 21:52 GMT
#1561
Oh. Well thats pretty much what day vig is on like SA. The ONLY difference is flavor and maybe the way it could interact with other roles because it uses different terms.

Im used to that kind of day vig. They shoot day ends as soon as they submit the command and noone lynched.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 15 2012 16:01 GMT
#1577
I was thinking about another aspect of this setup. The leo role is a classic example of a single role that has a heavy influence on the overall balance of the game. That is a risky way to balance because of the fact that he can die at anytime juat like everyone else.

I would suggest a set up where the scum are only each allowed say 3 messages all game long and remove the leo role.his keeps the basic elements of this setup more stable. This setup was not about leo it was about scum not knowing each other. The leo role dieing so fast completely changed that dynamic.

There is probably other ways to accomplish this but the idea is to find a way to let scum do some chatter without them having a 100% safe way to reveal all to each other.

In the case of that wierd 2 vigi 2 scum just add a rule that states there may be additional rules that regulate the victory condition and add the line until your shot is fired you count as 1.5 players when figuring how many scum vs town remain.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 15 2012 16:27 GMT
#1579
If no one else posts them I'll post em when I get home.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 15 2012 17:36 GMT
#1583
Why didnt rad claim? I really think it was a bad move not to.
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