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I was taking a nap and woke up to the my phone's email alert of a TL message. Seems appropriate given the game name. ![]() | ||
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Lets try to get a bit more on track than debating something insanely useless like that. I actually find Navillus a bit squirmy but I have never played with him and thats like the barest of gut reads on the last few posts of his. I hate day 1. | ||
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I like the combo of blazinghands case and the fact that cwave is very clearly (at least thus far, prove me wrong cwave) bonkers as a day 1 lynch. I personally think the 5 words part was in fact one of the very few true scum slips. I will be voting him when I get off work and get home. I want navillus to weigh in on some things (take your pick as to what) as your tone and posting pre page 10 gave my gut a twinge. Has he played in other games I can look at? | ||
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On January 27 2012 04:25 Zephirdd wrote: Let me summarize the plan for you guys. Don't worry about semantics, just try to not create leaders. This way scum won't have a solid target. Why is it so hard to understand something that simple? Well put. This is also why its a bad plan. Setting out on day 1 with a game plan of never allowing 'leaders' to emerge is an amazingly bad plan. How often does one or two players end up contributing way more than others? This plan would be to ignore those types of players and to silently cheer them on. I refuse. This is not a good way to play. We can't cut our own head off just to maybe confuse the mafia a tiny bit. | ||
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If thats then plan then I support it. This does not mean you cant agree with people though and that needs to be clear. There is always going to be a gray area between sheeping and agreeing and we shouldnt cut out our tounges just to avoid maybe crossing that line. Take my post where I agreed with Blazinghand. Do people see this as a post that heps the scum? | ||
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There is a difference between bad town and scummy. He is by far the best lynch canidate thus far. | ||
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Who do you think is the scummiest at this point then? | ||
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This is a ridiculous argument. In no way does anyone get ignored and in no way do leaders not emerge. Leaders don't become leaders because a bunch of people call them town. Leaders become leaders and THEN a bunch of people call them town. Just keep your townreads to yourself, at the very least early on in the game(Day 1/2) Ok... and then what are we to do when you think a player is contributing really good things is about to get lynched? Saying I think they aren't scum vs I think they are town... WHATS THE DIFFERENCE? Really, I see this 'plan' in regaurds to this issue as not very useful I guess. Maybe it isn't a bad plan (you are right that players offer things and then get called town) in the sense that it hamstrings us (though it does limit the language we can use to discuss things which, if it really serves no greater purpose, DOES hurt our ability to play) but what advantage does it really offer? I totally see the point about lists that makes 100% sense. But please help me here, the difference between calling someone not scum vs town.... I just see every math teacher in teh world laughing at that statement. Consider this vader. If mafia restriction is not 5 words, then mafia now are almost certain Cwave is townie and a good person to push to lynch(As an aside, just like # of mafia, no one should be speculating on # words or characters). You are ignoring the fact that they can in fact talk out side of the thread I realized. Anything can be a breadcrumb because we will never see the full meaning of things that are intended to have double meaning. I read it as he said 5 words for one of 3 reasons: 1. Scumslip 2. He isn't lieing and he pulled it from a previous game 3. It is part of a fake out that we can't see fully because of hidden messages. I just see more ways that him saying that fit with a scum pattern than a town pattern. I see him as scummy for this statement and though I see your point it falls apart as solid evidence the more I think about it. | ||
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On January 26 2012 14:02 redFF wrote: I think the key and best part about it is that it leaves out varying degrees of townieness so that we don't have 6 people in the thread calling one person very town and then that person gets killed. oooo I can accept this as logical. | ||
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On January 26 2012 10:40 bumatlarge wrote: Depending on power roles, I'd say there are about 4-5 mafia? Leaning 5 and town having some blues. Whoa this post... Why are you leaning 5 and town having some blues. Explain the logic behind this post. | ||
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Forgot to do that. @Radfield I still think he is being scummy as all heck compared to everyone else. He gets my vote unless a better candidate comes up. | ||
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I disagree, he seems not as scummy as Cwave to me. | ||
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##unvote | ||
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At this point I dont favor a lynch on any particular person at all. When is the deadline? | ||
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Is it valid to say that lurking as scum has alot appeal bbecause it not only puts you under the radar of getting but also under the radar of getting night killed? The more I think about that idea the more I conclude that at least one scum will probably try something like that. tl;dr - Lurkers stop lurking now because it is 2x as scummy as a it is in a normal game and doing something acummy that gets you under the radar is way to valid of a scum tactic in this setup. | ||
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I would note that her post about cwave really rubs me wrong even in light of her meta. | ||
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On January 28 2012 03:39 Radfield wrote: Lynching lurkers is not a strat I normally agree with, but it seems quite a bit more viable(Day1) in this setup(given that we can't effectively trace mafia votes Day 1. And lurking as scum in theory makes for safety at night. Lurking is the 'most accepted' anti town move in so far as it goes unpunished more than other anti town moves. With all of that in mind, lurking is way scummier or at least way more anti town with this setup than it is normally. | ||
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On January 28 2012 05:43 Lanaia wrote: Now that I fully understand what rad was trying to say, I agree. However, if he'd actually said "don't call people town" I probably would have understood more quickly. Not touching his wagon with a 20 foot pole. I do not want him lynched today. Not touching his wagon? What do you mean? | ||
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I feel good about this vote now. ##vote Lanaia | ||
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Why dont you take care of it. | ||
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redFF bumatlarge GGQ Hesmyrr Navillus vaderseven Refallen Jackal58 Blazinghand Zephirdd Lanaia CWave I think thats the players right now. Im gaming now but Ill post some tonight. FOS at Bum. Redff, what is your case on Blazing I dont get it. | ||
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redFF bumatlarge GGQ Hesmyrr Navillus vaderseven Refallen Jackal58 Blazinghand Zephirdd Lanaia CWave err thats the player list in complete formating i started | ||
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On January 29 2012 00:37 iGrok wrote: Meapak has been replaced by Scamp You are right. That slardar guy posted in the same page that the replacement happened. Stupid S names. | ||
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Hes playing very much like he has in other games he played as town. | ||
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On January 29 2012 10:47 Lanaia wrote: We will not lynch him. Ever. Well, I won't but I will actively fight against it. had pegged him as scum but things change. I dont understand what you are trying to say. | ||
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On January 29 2012 11:23 Lanaia wrote: Def want to hear from scamp. Will try to postbefore workbut no promises. Need sleep. Anyone know if there's a refresh function on the android system? Press the button that brings up settings screens or what not (usually a physical button) and refresh should be an option. | ||
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Who, if anyone, didn't touch the lurker issue at all? Why did I look for this? Cuz a scum player would surely see attacking lurkers as an ultra risky strat, especially day 1. redff never mentions lurking once. Refallen never mentions lurking once. Jackal58 never mentions lurking once. Zephirdd never mentions lurking once. Cwave never mentions lurking once. On January 26 2012 14:04 GGQ wrote: About finding mafia, we can't rely so much on finding scum by linking players together. Even if scum gets lynched, we can't be sure whether their defenders were scum or misguided town because scum don't know (at least not 100%) who their partners are. So the primary way of finding mafia is just by lynching players who aren't contributing to the town but aren't completely lurking. Scum will be the players trying to ride the line between been too scummy and getting lynched or being too towny and getting shot. Town, on the other hand, shouldnt be afraid of shots so they'll be the towniest towns. GGQ is outright saying that scum arent lurkers. On January 28 2012 08:46 Lanaia wrote: All you have on Meapak is that he's been lurking. That says shit all for his alignment. I am not moving my vote onto meapak, at least not today. We have about 15min to deadline. It's highly unlikely to get the lynch you want at this point in time. You're tunneling. Why didn't you do this earlier in the day? Your logic doesn't feel completely sound to me. Holy hell you are tunneling so badly. You should have been pushing him all day. I don't like how you're acting and it actually really frightens me. How. The. Fuck.... How is MZ hustling? Lanaia feels that lurking doesnt say a thing about align. So I count that as a FOS worthy fact especially at GGQ and Lanaia. Lurking has EXTREMELY clear plus sides for a scum player in this setup and there is HUGE plus sides for a scum player to establish that it is ok to lurk or that saying lurking isnt a good scum strat. Lurking is probably the only non breadcrumb way (at least day 1) for the scum to say IM SCUM day 1. It prevents them, from killing each other. This point has already been made but it deserves to be in this post next to these players names. Once again: redff never mentions lurking once. Refallen never mentions lurking once. Jackal58 never mentions lurking once. Zephirdd never mentions lurking once. Cwave never mentions lurking once. GGQ says that lurkers are not scum because the scum will not want to lurk. Lanaia says that lurking is a null tell on alignment. | ||
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GGQ. You have 15 total posts in this thread. Your first 4 posts have nothing to do with this game. You have filler posts like this in there: On January 26 2012 14:05 GGQ wrote: We actually have no confirmation of any medics, and it looks like there's only one KP so there might not be a medic at all. On January 27 2012 04:48 GGQ wrote: Jackal and logic have never gotten along well together. On January 29 2012 06:15 GGQ wrote: Seriously, bud, stop being such an asshole. It's completely unnecessary regardless of your alignment. I might not be back before lynch, so if I die I suspect bumatlarge, Cwave, and blazinghand. After that look at redFF, refallen and lanaia. Some of those aren't completely unrelated to the game but they are at best comments on things already said that do not help in the least in finding scum. So 5 throw away filler posts, 4 posts not about the game and 6 real posts. You are lurking so hard and you have also claimed that the scum won't be lurkers even though it is very VERY clear (and was pointed out a long time ago) why the scum will want to lurk. Scum. Found. ##vote GGQ | ||
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Hey guys, Lurkers aren't scum don't worry look for people that aren't lurking and lynch them. BRB I need to lurk a shit ton. He literally said that. Literally. | ||
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G'Night thread see you guys tomorrow. | ||
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On January 30 2012 00:20 Zephirdd wrote: @V7 wtf bro http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303792¤tpage=16#314 Of course I mention lurkers, what I don't do is to copy-and-paste the thoughts that Lurking is REALLY scummy this game, because it was said two or three times already. @redFF What the fuck? õ_o Considering Greymist is a host, I'd assume it's a role in the terms of "I can only investigate someone who voted me" from Steamship Liquida, did I hit it spot on? :D VOTECOUNT Bah sorry I was reading too fast then last night. My vote and points and still valid. | ||
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On January 30 2012 02:18 Scamp wrote: Well this is just awesome, I wake up to a smattering of votes. While four of you have it right, I'm now suspicious of vaderseven, Refallen, and Jackal58. Don't pretend that the Radfield debacle isn't important or a good source of information. Refallen may get a reprieve here depending on what happens with redFF, but I personally don't get what he's doing at all. If he has some kind of power that activates when people vote him, then why doesn't he ask for everyone to vote him? The rules don't actually say anything about when the lynch ends, I think it's just at the end of the day. I don't think there's any kind of majority hammer. Also this seriously caught my eye. How exactly do you figure this? ?? Whats your suspicion of me based on? I dont like random FOS at people, give reasons! I think that the radfield lycnh is ofc a valid source of info but I think GGQ is getting away with some seriously scummy shit here. I would be doing such a huge disservice to notice that shit and not comment on it. GGQ says that lurkers arent scummy and that scum will post enough to not be called lurkers. With the setup in mind, lurking is so pro scum that I dont even know how he felt able to say that except in order to cover for the scummy move of lurking... which he is doing. | ||
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On January 30 2012 08:25 GGQ wrote: No time to chat, Cwave is scum, see you all tomorrow. This guy cant seriously get away with this can he? | ||
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On January 30 2012 08:44 Lanaia wrote: Red doesn't feel like how he normally feels when I think he's scum and when I think he's scum he's usually town so I think he's probably actually scum right now. But we'll see eventually. Dear god game solved gg. (joking ofc) | ||
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Anyways, ill be posting in like 2 hours. | ||
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.... -_- ##vote GGQ | ||
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On February 02 2012 02:07 Jackal58 wrote: My scum list was 3 I hadn't voted for. And my vote is going to go on Refallen. redFF seemed to be begging for another vote. Fwiw I don't really see red as scum. I'm just calling him scum to piss him off. Cause that's like a hobby of mine. This post will probably be the reason I end up voting you over GGQ. A hobby of yours? Wtf man so your hobby is to post lies to piss people off? | ||
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Is GGQ up for being modkilled at this point for inactivity? | ||
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I think that sounds just fine! | ||
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There is constant accusations of associations and how loud player X is scum or loud player Y is dumb and X isn’t scum but loud player Z is actually the scum. People are ignoring a lot that has been said in favor of calling each other names and the like. Basically, I think this town, no this whole thread, has become completely filled with useless conjecture that isn’t based in sound logic concerning the setup and the actions of the people in it. I am going to make an effort to bring the discussion back to that now. Some conclusions that I am operating on that the people in this thread need to at least consider: The mafia are going to act very independently this game. With that in mind the mafia players are each going to act WAY more self serving than even in a traditional game. They have to. Another thing, saying if one person is scum/town then another is scum/town is a stupid course of action in this setup. Yes stupid. The reason that we haven’t lynched a single scum AND that scum haven’t killed one of their own is simply because the scum are laying low. I pointed this out before and I even found the single player that is abusing this idea to the highest level. This was ignored in favor of lynching a person who claimed to not have had time to read for very long before vote was required or he would be mod killed. As if it would make any sense for a scum player that is playing to win to pop in and last second vote AND to draw huge amounts of attention to it. Such a gambit would only make sense in a setup where the mafia has access to power roles that manipulate night actions (framer roleblocker) (if you think the mafia DOES have such PRs say so, I take it as a balance issue for them not to… did the previous sleeper cell game have mafia power roles?). The mafia don’t know who each other are and they don’t want to be lynched. Starting with the start of day 2, it became clear that lurking was going to be largely acceptable because we had ‘better’ targets to lynch. With the loud players voting off other loud players and the mafia killing off loud players… it seems the only ones that have an easy way to live out their days is the silent lurkers. Starting with today, I will be pressuring everyone to justify GGQ’s actions as anything that isn’t anti-town because I cannot see a single reason for a player to play like he is except one of a self preserving nature. So the primary way of finding mafia is just by lynching players who aren't contributing to the town but aren't completely lurking. GGQ said that on day 1. I brought this up before, but it needs to be brought up again. This is a complete scum post. It outlines a way of lynching players that are not lurkers as a primary goal. Other than that, GGQ only deems it worthy to post one liners and to randomly throw FOS out at multiple people at a time with no evidence. He is creating confusion while adding nothing at all to any case. He also posted a one liner calling a case on him shit. HE goes inactive for a long time and then drops in to say and I quote: Did you think I was joking when I said I had no time to chat? Sorry but I think it’s honestly pretty obvious at this point. The people that are scummiest are the people that everyone is talking about lynching. My god. How did you guys let him get away with this? The most he gives us to add to a discussion yesterday is that his gut instinct is to vote meapak/scamp. He does this after a sheep vote on refallen gets called scummy. That was also a last minute vote. If you have NOT read his filter, you are being a lazy moron. Its short and boring and adds nothing new about anything other than the fact that it confirms that he is lynching and sheeping his way out of every lime light. Come on guys, it’s the town’s job to prevent the scum from lurking a way to victory and in this setup we should be MORE wary of it not less. That or we can go back to seeing which loud case about a loud player generates the most votes from the people that post small tidbits and then all sheep onto that person. That seems to be working out pretty well (for the scum). ##vote GGQ | ||
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On February 04 2012 09:29 GGQ wrote: How many limelights are there? Look at vaderseven's filter and explain to me why it's better than mine. Dude you lurk so hard that savior cant get you to start doing shit. | ||
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They are sheeping and last second voting and are really in control over this game as much as you or I but without allowing their words to be committed to posts. What really gets me is how this style makes them an easy DONT SHOOT ME target at night because they are leading the town to any lynches or making cases etc. | ||
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On February 04 2012 09:49 Lanaia wrote: Vader, do you think he'd be hiding by doing what he's doing if he is scum? 100%. | ||
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On February 04 2012 09:49 vaderseven wrote: I really feel like we cant get good cases built on people like red (if he is scum) until we deal with the outliers in this game like GGQ. They are sheeping and last second voting and are really in control over this game as much as you or I but without allowing their words to be committed to posts. What really gets me is how this style makes them an easy DONT SHOOT ME target at night because they aren't leading the town to any lynches or making cases etc. edit in bold | ||
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On February 04 2012 09:49 Lanaia wrote: People I am willing to lynch today: GGQ Heymyrr Zeph I agree minus the strike out. GGQ is the most likely of these to flip scum based on my reads. | ||
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You actually just made me more sure of it! | ||
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at least you dont get the same mispelling for year after year... Since I choose the name vaderseven back like 15 years ago people read it and say vander. :G Lanaia should die for the transgression. Is no one else on? | ||
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More ways that im bad!!!! Do tell! | ||
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I just flat out know with the whole of my mafia playing mind that GGQ is scum. Get rid of this cancer first pls then we can have a better discussion that doesnt end with last minute vote changes from the silent scum player. | ||
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On February 04 2012 10:24 Hesmyrr wrote: Red, it's 5-5 today. Scum slip!?!?!?!? | ||
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On February 04 2012 10:42 redFF wrote: I think you've been scummy too. This is an overreaction. Agreed it is. | ||
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On February 04 2012 11:00 Blazinghand wrote: lanaia actually already claimed detective earlier in this thread, and also claimed that I was not town. Clear this up lanaia. Show the breadcrumbs. | ||
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On February 04 2012 11:58 Blazinghand wrote: It could be so that the mafia don't know how many cops there are? or maybe on the flip sanities aren't revealed, or something? this is definitely an "ask igrok" question Good calls and I guess it does really match the OP and the breadcrumbs are legit etc. | ||
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On February 04 2012 12:32 redFF wrote: what do you think of naia's claim vader? I think its legit. Why do you think otherwise? | ||
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On February 04 2012 12:31 redFF wrote: somebody please vote and unvote me Whats this about or is it like just not a good thing to talk about? Don't even respond if thats the case. | ||
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Have you guys looked at GGQ lately? | ||
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On February 05 2012 01:50 redFF wrote: people checked by a cop are not confirmed. I thin the chance of a gf in this game is reasonably high. I think we should lynch scamp as I'm almost positive he'll flip scum. What did the first SC game have PR wise for scum. I was assuming that there wasn't PRs that aren't in the OP then I read closers and realized its written in a way that there actually can be. I took a look at scamp and jackal this morning with a fresh mind etc. I think GGQ > scamp >> jackal as far as chance to flip scum. | ||
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On February 08 2012 03:58 Hesmyrr wrote: ##Vote: Hesmyrr On February 08 2012 03:02 Hesmyrr wrote: Why don't you kill me and find out Jesus Christ this town. Da Fuck? I was at a lose as to how to approach today as it is lylo or lylo -1 at best (4 or 5 scum... I can't see 3 scum in this setup especially after looking at the sleeper cell 1 setip) and noone has really listened to me even though I made it VERY CLEAR that voting GGQ is the ez choice for nailing scum. You just made it easier I think. You litterally aren't allowed to 'ruin the game' which I think self voting as town would do. Cheating: Cheating includes (but is not limited to): ... 2. Ruining the game ... There is no hammer in this game so there is no reason for me to hold my vote while you come to your senses. You are either claiming scum or trying to set the town up to lose on purpose. ##vote Hesmyrr If you grow up and decide to try to play the game out do let us know because I would love to see how this all plays out without someone emo quiting at this point. >=/ I mean really, we have all invested time (some of us got sick enough that we thought death was possible during the game and still played it out... just sayin) and its just not fair no matter the team you are on to pull this stunt. I also tend to find it is scum players that pull this kind of stunt. Especially this late in the game. If Hesmyrr is scum like he pretty much just confirmed he is, that means RedFF has some explaining to do. I am fairly sure that means you are scum. Explain this vote / unvote thing please. At this point, it isn't a matter timing it is a matter of you are pretty much confirmed scum and you have been shady about something in the thread. Now I have to call you on that and find out whats up. | ||
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On February 08 2012 04:32 vaderseven wrote: BTW, if anyone wants to wake up and realize how simple of a matter it is to lynch GGQ as scum I will be down for that ANYTIME. Poor wording BTW, if anyone wants to wake up and realize how simple of a matter it is to lynch GGQ, as he is scum, I will be down for that ANYTIME. Bolded edit | ||
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The only other reason that I can see for that rule is some connection to redff requesting votes. | ||
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If I have to scream till Im blue in the face that GGQ is scum I will but at this point no one seems to give a flying fuck. I am very willing to move on to self voters in situations where apathetic town would just go afk instead of putting on the drama. Notice how I have mentioned that GGQ is obv scum like every other post for fucking ever. Notice how no one cares? Would you keep that pressure on for that long when there is other scummy as fucks around? But lol at you posting that me talking about anything else makes me scummy ;D I mean, jeez, its not like the guy didn't ask for it. He self voted and emo quit the game during my lunch break. | ||
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GG QQ. | ||
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![]() code s games almost done ahhh i want the night post before i go ladder | ||
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On February 09 2012 14:13 redFF wrote: why in christ's name would you die God what possible purpose does your question serve man? I feel like you read every post of mine lately with the preconceived notion that I am scum and justify your conclusions from that point on. Assume im town and posted that. Why would a town player post that and then answer the question you posted? Get my point? | ||
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I am a Detective. I did not breadcrumb anything except a brief mention of turning blue in the face about GGQ. I am fairly nervous that the mafia have some kind of power role that will have sniffed me out by now and my result for last night's scan has doubled that fear. Until last night, my death would have made it CLEAR what my results were (GGQ is scum) but now I have a very weird and unexpected result. scanned GGQ n1 sleeper agent scanned n2 didn't submit an action scanned Hesmyrr n3 sleeper agent scanned redff n4 no result I didn't get told I was roleblocked last night. I was specifically told there was "no result." I do not know if this was because of something targeted at me, something targeted at redff, some ability of redff, or something else. Redff, did you get any message or confirmation of some unnamed ability? Are you untargeteable as long as someone votes and unvotes you? Can you offer us anything here? I don't really have a strong read on you one way or the other. I think you are tunneling and aggressive and might be suffering from confirmation bias on and off this whole game but I don't really have anything in my notes that says anything more than that. When I applied light pressure to you yesterday you just went into a tunnel-ish (though much shorter lived than say your tunnel on jackal) confirmation bias-ish omgus. With that in mind, and I think the rest of us have at least similar feelings about you, can you add some light to my result for last night? GGQ needs to die today before I just explode. Let me make that clear. I am a sane Detective and I have a SCUM RESULT on GGQ. Lynch him now. ##vote GGQ BTW, I think today is Day 6 not Day 5. I just went and checked through all my results and notes to make sure because I was confused and thought I was off a bit but no this HAS to be day 6 lol... right??? | ||
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scanned GGQ n1 sleeper agent scanned n2 didn't submit an action scanned Navillus n3 Honest Citizen scanned Hesmyrr n4 sleeper agent scanned redff n5 no result Sorry to many windows open as I was looking through notes and being confused by the day post saying day 5 for today. | ||
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On February 10 2012 14:26 Blazinghand wrote: So aside from "no result" on redFF your claim is worthless and you forgot you use your action n2 Saying that is worthless is kinda short sighted. I mentioned lynch GGQ and Blue in the face in the same line and suddenly my scan stopped working. | ||
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On February 08 2012 14:07 vaderseven wrote: Red, Im reacting to the reads given by our dead DT and idea of 4 scum. If I have to scream till Im blue in the face that GGQ is scum I will but at this point no one seems to give a flying fuck. I am very willing to move on to self voters in situations where apathetic town would just go afk instead of putting on the drama. Notice how I have mentioned that GGQ is obv scum like every other post for fucking ever. Notice how no one cares? Would you keep that pressure on for that long when there is other scummy as fucks around? But lol at you posting that me talking about anything else makes me scummy ;D I mean, jeez, its not like the guy didn't ask for it. He self voted and emo quit the game during my lunch break. | ||
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On February 10 2012 14:18 vaderseven wrote: Ok, I was going to hold off on claiming this but I got a very interesting result last night. I really hope red is around to comment on this. I am a Detective. I did not breadcrumb anything except a brief mention of turning blue in the face about GGQ. From my claim moments ago. Ill find that blue in the face post. On February 08 2012 14:07 vaderseven wrote: Red, Im reacting to the reads given by our dead DT and idea of 4 scum. If I have to scream till Im blue in the face that GGQ is scum I will but at this point no one seems to give a flying fuck. I am very willing to move on to self voters in situations where apathetic town would just go afk instead of putting on the drama. Notice how I have mentioned that GGQ is obv scum like every other post for fucking ever. Notice how no one cares? Would you keep that pressure on for that long when there is other scummy as fucks around? But lol at you posting that me talking about anything else makes me scummy ;D I mean, jeez, its not like the guy didn't ask for it. He self voted and emo quit the game during my lunch break. | ||
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On February 10 2012 14:18 vaderseven wrote: Ok, I was going to hold off on claiming this but I got a very interesting result last night. I really hope red is around to comment on this. I am a Detective. I did not breadcrumb anything except a brief mention of turning blue in the face about GGQ. The night I scanned Hesh was the night before he got lynched. Red commented how I seemed to be very easy going about moving my vote over to him and that is why. | ||
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I know that as we approach the end game claims and the like become harder and harder to confirm just because there is less time left in the game. With the lynch of GGQ ****finally**** on the table and center stage I wanted to explain my scans and the reasons of my actions in the game while there was a flip left to be done from my scans. With the very real possibility of me getting blocked or whatever happened for the rest of the game it would be impossible to do so if GGQ is lynched. g'night | ||
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With the very real possibility of me getting blocked or whatever happened for the rest of the game it would be impossible to do so if GGQ is lynched before I claim. added bold. | ||
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I am downright puzzled at how this setup is balanced. I don't doubt that it probably is relativity balanced... but a scum team with communication nerfed and the list of power roles for town... o_O Is there like a lynch proof scum or some BS? | ||
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On February 11 2012 01:21 Blazinghand wrote: i would be very surprised if there was a lynch proof scum, since town doesn't have KP roles, it seems. I was half joking and half afraid that the idea is that the scum have to kill that scum... meaning checkmate if he is last dead. I don't really believe that (if its the truth we can't really plan for it or counter it) but this town is full of power roles. | ||
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On February 10 2012 09:29 Jackal58 wrote: iGrok said he might be late. I have no interest in lynching redFF if I'm alive at the next day post. Nobody else should either. However if red cannot or will not or gives a bogus explanation for his vote/unvote bs after tomorrow I will have no problem killing him over whoever else is remaining. I strongly urge which ever of us is remaining from Lanaia's pool of townies to take the same approach to red. I basically can't find fault with this even with your claim in mind red. | ||
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From Scummiest to Not as Scummiest - GGQ (99.9999% confirmed) Zeph RedFF I keep thinking about Hess saying 5 scum. I want to just turbo through these days now. | ||
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On February 04 2012 10:24 Hesmyrr wrote: Red, it's 5-5 today. | ||
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On February 03 2012 09:48 GreYMisT wrote: Mafia wins when they outnumber Town and Town has no killing roles remaining. On February 03 2012 10:02 iGrok wrote: Mafia Wins when nothing can prevent them from winning. GreYMisT is dumb. :p That REALLY supports your theory BHands. | ||
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Zeph you want to vote the claimed BP over the scanned scum? | ||
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That was my reasoning. | ||
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My day 2 actions were to pressure some people so I could get some reactions before I settled in on ggq. I also needed time to make a solid logical case so that it would conceal the fact that i had extra info on his align. | ||
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gotcha | ||
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I didn't scan n2 because I was incredibly sick and very out of it and just plain forget to do it. | ||
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On February 13 2012 09:09 redFF wrote: so erm lets hear v7s check DRUMROLL PLS | ||
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On February 13 2012 10:33 redFF wrote: LOL WHY DID YOU NOT KILL HIM I keep running different ideas through my head and non are actually logically all the way out to their conclusion. The ones taht make the most sense assume he is BAD at the game and didnt get it OR that there is a GF. | ||
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On February 13 2012 10:42 Zephirdd wrote: mb I"m miller ![]() Maybe? | ||
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On February 14 2012 10:14 redFF wrote: if its just scum shooting themselves trololol then i will be so mad | ||
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I need to learn to read. Tech I won by the OP rules but I agree with this decision even before its explained. | ||
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On February 14 2012 11:22 iGrok wrote: [2/12/2012 5:32:18 PM] Jack "iGrok" Dickerson: if red votes first and vadar doesn't vote, red dies (becuase thats his role) Was not going to happen. I was sitting f5ing the main thread while mouse was over the post button in a different window. I wondered if something like this was the case but I couldn't confirm this. | ||
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On February 14 2012 11:22 Blazinghand wrote: Good work, gents. V7 your story really didn't add up, and I had you on my shit list, but unfortunately I wasn't able to get you. Good work, though. Well played. Also what is Attention whore. Honestly the scum team was well... it lurked to the endgame. I actually had no confirmation about Hess or GGQ but I could just tell they were scum. | ||
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GG red. btw, I bet im the only player on TL right now that has an undefeated record as scum without having won a game as scum while still having played scum 2 times. | ||
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On February 14 2012 11:25 Blazinghand wrote: GGQ was pretty clear. That was a really solid bus. BTW you fucked me up. You planted in my head the notion that end game with red vs 1 scum was an auto tie. Thats what I began to shoot for as things were just not going to go any other way because there was too many obvs scum. I could make myself last right till 1 + me left with the claim I had done. Little did I know if I had read how the lynch works I could have voted redff yesterday before Cwave got on and we would have won. I am a fucking noob. | ||
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On February 14 2012 11:28 Zephirdd wrote: What, GGQ even broadcast "QisSleeper", how wouldn't you realize he was scum, being the only "Q" ingame? D: What bugged me was Hesmyrr being scum and bum not. o didnt even take that one in. Wait till people see the night messages. Shit was kinda bad. | ||
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On February 14 2012 11:29 GreYMisT wrote: My question is why, with rad dead, you guys didnt just look at your player number and broadcast #1 is scum or #7 is scum or something, you could have all confirmed yourselves before night 2 Or they could have just did what I did and said things like DARTH#isME or V7isSCUM or whatever I did first two messages. I did that first message btw to try to find the inception agent out... LOL that wasn't needed. | ||
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0 wins 0 loses 2 ties lol | ||
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I didn't like when I realized how ties in votes were handled... I realized that on page 70 after Cwave voted Zeph. If I had realized it just a few hours earlier I would have won the game nice and simple right then. I personally do not like how an even number of scum vs town (especially in the 1v1 situation) could end up coming down to things like speed of posting a vote but tbh I could have avoided that completely had I read the rules more carefully. | ||
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I abused that because that attitude was already in play from red and I just let that flow. | ||
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I saw the day post and voted for red before I had even a chance to read it. I wanted as good a chance as possible to not lose. | ||
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On February 14 2012 12:17 redFF wrote: this is the perfect summarization of how fucking stupid this game was Its a summation of my one criticism of the setup but I think it was for sure not a defining part of the game. | ||
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SENATOR: You are a Senator up for re-election. Because you are a politician, you are corrupt as shit. You can completely ignore your constituents and cancel the lynch of the day, substituting your own target. Of course, if you do this, you will be impeached and will be unable to do this again. (You will not be modconfirmed, its just a 1-shot power with flavor). | ||
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![]() ![]() ![]() gg. | ||
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just say gg, make your opinion known (I think it is >_>) and BREATHE. To be clear, I submitted a night action to kill Cwave so yes the game was going into the who votes for the other first race and I was ready and being gay (f5'ing like 2 times per second with my vote written up and mouse on the post button). I was playing to win in a situation that turthfully had a method for either side to win. It just was something you would have to have predicted perfectly and also been approaching in the same manner in order to have a chance. Im glad its a tie, the scum team deserves that for the fail to lynch you when it was 4 players total (before that its a bit more gray IMO as to town 'had lost'). If it wasn't a tie though, I'm pretty sure scum would have won cuz I was ready. Keep in mind it is a tie. | ||
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On February 14 2012 17:15 Cwave wrote: Thanks for hosting! /slap self for thinking Radfield was 100% scum. /slap self more for not lynching GGQ sooner. I can't believe we let that guy cruise and ultralurk for so long ![]() These were the two largest town mistakes. I really can't believe either happened tbh. | ||
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It doesnt matter though there isnt a ladder or ranking and I had fun. gg | ||
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On February 14 2012 23:35 Palmar wrote: Just wanna pop in and say I agree with iGrok's method of running the game. As long as both factions still have a chance to win there is no need to call the game unless the rules explicitly state so. I mean, I understand it being frustrating to play in a game where you don't think you have a chance at winning, or very little chance, but just try to make the best of it. Or, if you need to, just ask the host to replace you. Then criticize the setup in a constructive manner. On a seperate note, I agree with this. A careful read of the rules can clearly show how and why eithee side could have won up till the very last second. This game is a good case study in that particular set of rules concerning vote count and lynching but that is a 100% different matter. | ||
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I would say go for town having two dreamer roles that are not identical. | ||
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On February 14 2012 12:20 vaderseven wrote: Oh i didn't realize the power jackal had fuck- SENATOR: You are a Senator up for re-election. Because you are a politician, you are corrupt as shit. You can completely ignore your constituents and cancel the lynch of the day, substituting your own target. Of course, if you do this, you will be impeached and will be unable to do this again. (You will not be modconfirmed, its just a 1-shot power with flavor). | ||
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Im used to that kind of day vig. They shoot day ends as soon as they submit the command and noone lynched. | ||
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I would suggest a set up where the scum are only each allowed say 3 messages all game long and remove the leo role.his keeps the basic elements of this setup more stable. This setup was not about leo it was about scum not knowing each other. The leo role dieing so fast completely changed that dynamic. There is probably other ways to accomplish this but the idea is to find a way to let scum do some chatter without them having a 100% safe way to reveal all to each other. In the case of that wierd 2 vigi 2 scum just add a rule that states there may be additional rules that regulate the victory condition and add the line until your shot is fired you count as 1.5 players when figuring how many scum vs town remain. | ||
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