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Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 08 2012 19:18 GMT
#901
On January 09 2012 04:06 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 04:01 Palmar wrote:
yeah, this needs to be done now, or not. I'd rather go with not.

This is palmar scum claiming. He has been trolling for a while now but this is as close at is gets


If I had written that would you take that as scum claiming?
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 08 2012 19:30 GMT
#902
You are still pretending that the case against risk was purely meta and it most certainly was not. You are repeating the same misrepresentations that risk used, making you look worse. Moreover the case against Erandorr was pure meta and you were fine with voting for him based on just that. A lot of things were even said about risk.nuke since you made that post. What do you think about him now?

Anyway, we will certainly want to see risk flip first and you have a chance to step up regardless, but I do believe your stance regarding risk nuke has been suspicious
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
January 08 2012 19:32 GMT
#903
On January 09 2012 04:30 syllogism wrote:
You are still pretending that the case against risk was purely meta and it most certainly was not. You are repeating the same misrepresentations that risk used, making you look worse. Moreover the case against Erandorr was pure meta and you were fine with voting for him based on just that. A lot of things were even said about risk.nuke since you made that post. What do you think about him now?

Anyway, we will certainly want to see risk flip first and you have a chance to step up regardless, but I do believe your stance regarding risk nuke has been suspicious

I am not pretending it is pure meta. I am saying his meta confuses the shit out of me so I am not confident in my read on him. And my post said what I think of him now.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 08 2012 19:32 GMT
#904
On January 09 2012 04:18 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 04:06 syllogism wrote:
On January 09 2012 04:01 Palmar wrote:
yeah, this needs to be done now, or not. I'd rather go with not.

This is palmar scum claiming. He has been trolling for a while now but this is as close at is gets


If I had written that would you take that as scum claiming?

No, but you aren't a player who I talk extensively about the game, in and out of the game. It's extremely unlikely that he would say that as town and I'm pretty sure that when he wrote that he knew very well how it would look like to me; he has by this point realized that there is little he can do to avoid being lynched so might as well have some fun.
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 08 2012 19:45 GMT
#905
See, all i have is your word for it.

But i guess we can lynch him and if he flips town we lynch you...
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
January 08 2012 19:47 GMT
#906
On January 09 2012 04:45 Dirkzor wrote:
See, all i have is your word for it.

But i guess we can lynch him and if he flips town we lynch you...

That's dumb.Lynching Palmar is fine, but if he flips town that doesn't mean you lynch syllo.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 08 2012 19:48 GMT
#907
On January 09 2012 04:45 Dirkzor wrote:
See, all i have is your word for it.

But i guess we can lynch him and if he flips town we lynch you...

I don't really care at all if you take my word on it or not; there is a good case against him anyway and that comment was more addressed to Palmar.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
January 08 2012 19:50 GMT
#908
On January 09 2012 04:32 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 04:18 Dirkzor wrote:
On January 09 2012 04:06 syllogism wrote:
On January 09 2012 04:01 Palmar wrote:
yeah, this needs to be done now, or not. I'd rather go with not.

This is palmar scum claiming. He has been trolling for a while now but this is as close at is gets


If I had written that would you take that as scum claiming?

No, but you aren't a player who I talk extensively about the game, in and out of the game. It's extremely unlikely that he would say that as town and I'm pretty sure that when he wrote that he knew very well how it would look like to me; he has by this point realized that there is little he can do to avoid being lynched so might as well have some fun.

Imo a town Palmar would respond to that with a pretty huge post declaring why the plan is dumb alternativly if he approved of the plan he would write additional thoughts or/and reason further why it is a good plan.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
January 08 2012 19:57 GMT
#909
On January 09 2012 04:16 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Are people seriously trying to implicate me on the basis of "soft-defending" risk by voting Erandorr instead?

Well..
i made a slight error here (RoL had said he would vote for erandor here but he never voted)
-HoD makes it 6-6 risk/eran with just over 3 hours to go to avoid a no lynch he votes for Eran which makes 6-6 whilst a risk vote would have made it 7-5
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13044935

Erandor had four votes when HoD voted: Grackaroni, Blazinghand, Tyrran and Cwave
Risk.nuke had 6 votes:syllogism, Refallen, Dirkzor, Zephirdd, layabout, Erandorr,
@HoD
your primary reasoning was to that to avoid a no-lynch you would vote for Erandorr because you were "fine with lynching him"
in light of all of the pressure of risk.nuke why didn't you comment on it?
if you wanted to avoid the no-lynch why did you vote Erandorr rather than voting for risk, who had the most votes?
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 08 2012 19:59 GMT
#910
On January 09 2012 04:45 Dirkzor wrote:
See, all i have is your word for it.

But i guess we can lynch him and if he flips town we lynch you...

And after he flips angel or demon we lynch you because you'll be the same.
Life can only kill you once.
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 08 2012 20:02 GMT
#911
Oh I love your cases Jackal. Oh well thought out and in depth they are.

/Sarcasm end
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
January 08 2012 20:03 GMT
#912
On January 09 2012 04:57 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 04:16 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Are people seriously trying to implicate me on the basis of "soft-defending" risk by voting Erandorr instead?

Well..
i made a slight error here (RoL had said he would vote for erandor here but he never voted)
Show nested quote +
-HoD makes it 6-6 risk/eran with just over 3 hours to go to avoid a no lynch he votes for Eran which makes 6-6 whilst a risk vote would have made it 7-5
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13044935

Erandor had four votes when HoD voted: Grackaroni, Blazinghand, Tyrran and Cwave
Risk.nuke had 6 votes:syllogism, Refallen, Dirkzor, Zephirdd, layabout, Erandorr,
@HoD
your primary reasoning was to that to avoid a no-lynch you would vote for Erandorr because you were "fine with lynching him"
in light of all of the pressure of risk.nuke why didn't you comment on it?
if you wanted to avoid the no-lynch why did you vote Erandorr rather than voting for risk, who had the most votes?

...because I was leaning scum on Erandorr and was not on Risk. I didn't comment more on it because I was busy yesterday as I had to get shit ready for my girlfriend's birthday party/then was at it. For those wondering why I had a null read on risk, here is what Syllo said about him earlier this game:
Where is the active and opinionated and aggressive risk.nuke of Election mafia who posted a lot and certainly didn't just repeat what others had said, right or wrong?

Here is me asking about him in Steamship:
@risk.nuke
Last game I played with you you were extremely aggressive early on. This game you haven't attacked anyone yet, or even directly addressed someone. Any particular reason why you were active and aggressive last time, and are thus far being passive this game?
Notice any similarities? Fun fact, he was town in steamship.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
January 08 2012 20:23 GMT
#913
Fun fact: risk nuke was agressive day 1 in steamship
On November 17 2011 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:
##Vote Forumite

I'm not okey with you not responding to a direct vote against you.

assertive vote for a clear reason
On November 17 2011 02:21 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 01:36 Forumite wrote:
On November 17 2011 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:
##Vote Forumite

I'm not okey with you not responding to a direct vote against you.

Please clarify, do you agree with the other votes and vote for that reason, or do you think me not responding is the scummy part?

Neither and both. You're FoSing two people on nothing. And then there is a similar thing on Sabini. Add to that letting the vote on you slip by without a hint of defense from your side. I don't know what you are doing but it is not pro-town play and that is why I vote for you.

attacks Forumite for a reason

On November 17 2011 06:32 risk.nuke wrote:
Okey, but isn't this exacly one of those situations where we connected two people and should not lynch both of them incase they are town.

##Vote Kenpachi

throws around his vote

On November 17 2011 06:47 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 06:34 GreYMisT wrote:
On November 17 2011 06:32 risk.nuke wrote:
Okey, but isn't this exacly one of those situations where we connected two people and should not lynch both of them incase they are town.

##Vote Kenpachi


perhaps, but why choose to lynch kenpachi over the guy who anti-voted him?

If kenpachi is green, then lanaia probably isn't scum.
If kenpachi is red we got a scumkill even if that doesn't necessarily mean lanaia is his buddy.

If lanai is green that means nothing for kenpachis alignment.
If lanai is red then kenpachi is scum.

I think we learn more from knowing kenpachis alignment.

gives some reasoning

On November 17 2011 08:40 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 08:31 sinani206 wrote:
scumbuddies

##Vote: Lanaia
##Vote: Kenpachi

##Vote: Sinani206

makes his second vote because of sinani's vote
(kenpachi and sinani got lynched and both flipped blue, risk was town)
So i actually this compared to this game risk nuke was aggressiv in attacking players even if he was relatively inactive.

So your meta reason is bollocks
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
Spaackle
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States153 Posts
January 08 2012 20:29 GMT
#914
@RofL While I agree that we need a plan for day 2, yours is not the one I would go with. Mass claiming like that will only paint a target on our blues for the scumteams. We'll lose our blue powers so fast that we'll get almost no use out of them, and where will we be then?

@risk
On January 09 2012 04:50 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 04:32 syllogism wrote:
On January 09 2012 04:18 Dirkzor wrote:
On January 09 2012 04:06 syllogism wrote:
On January 09 2012 04:01 Palmar wrote:
yeah, this needs to be done now, or not. I'd rather go with not.

This is palmar scum claiming. He has been trolling for a while now but this is as close at is gets


If I had written that would you take that as scum claiming?

No, but you aren't a player who I talk extensively about the game, in and out of the game. It's extremely unlikely that he would say that as town and I'm pretty sure that when he wrote that he knew very well how it would look like to me; he has by this point realized that there is little he can do to avoid being lynched so might as well have some fun.

Imo a town Palmar would respond to that with a pretty huge post declaring why the plan is dumb alternativly if he approved of the plan he would write additional thoughts or/and reason further why it is a good plan.


I thought you hated meta arguments?
Friendship is Magic!
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
January 08 2012 20:33 GMT
#915
On January 09 2012 05:29 Spaackle wrote:
@RofL While I agree that we need a plan for day 2, yours is not the one I would go with. Mass claiming like that will only paint a target on our blues for the scumteams. We'll lose our blue powers so fast that we'll get almost no use out of them, and where will we be then?

@risk
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 04:50 risk.nuke wrote:
On January 09 2012 04:32 syllogism wrote:
On January 09 2012 04:18 Dirkzor wrote:
On January 09 2012 04:06 syllogism wrote:
On January 09 2012 04:01 Palmar wrote:
yeah, this needs to be done now, or not. I'd rather go with not.

This is palmar scum claiming. He has been trolling for a while now but this is as close at is gets


If I had written that would you take that as scum claiming?

No, but you aren't a player who I talk extensively about the game, in and out of the game. It's extremely unlikely that he would say that as town and I'm pretty sure that when he wrote that he knew very well how it would look like to me; he has by this point realized that there is little he can do to avoid being lynched so might as well have some fun.

Imo a town Palmar would respond to that with a pretty huge post declaring why the plan is dumb alternativly if he approved of the plan he would write additional thoughts or/and reason further why it is a good plan.


I thought you hated meta arguments?

He doesn't hate them he just ignores meta arguments against himself by default!
He is still allowed to use them you just can't use them against him, why can't you understand that?
Also don't try to hold other players up to standards.
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
January 08 2012 20:37 GMT
#916
On January 09 2012 05:23 layabout wrote:
Fun fact: risk nuke was agressive day 1 in steamship
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:
##Vote Forumite

I'm not okey with you not responding to a direct vote against you.

assertive vote for a clear reason
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 02:21 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 17 2011 01:36 Forumite wrote:
On November 17 2011 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:
##Vote Forumite

I'm not okey with you not responding to a direct vote against you.

Please clarify, do you agree with the other votes and vote for that reason, or do you think me not responding is the scummy part?

Neither and both. You're FoSing two people on nothing. And then there is a similar thing on Sabini. Add to that letting the vote on you slip by without a hint of defense from your side. I don't know what you are doing but it is not pro-town play and that is why I vote for you.

attacks Forumite for a reason

Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 06:32 risk.nuke wrote:
Okey, but isn't this exacly one of those situations where we connected two people and should not lynch both of them incase they are town.

##Vote Kenpachi

throws around his vote

Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 06:47 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 17 2011 06:34 GreYMisT wrote:
On November 17 2011 06:32 risk.nuke wrote:
Okey, but isn't this exacly one of those situations where we connected two people and should not lynch both of them incase they are town.

##Vote Kenpachi


perhaps, but why choose to lynch kenpachi over the guy who anti-voted him?

If kenpachi is green, then lanaia probably isn't scum.
If kenpachi is red we got a scumkill even if that doesn't necessarily mean lanaia is his buddy.

If lanai is green that means nothing for kenpachis alignment.
If lanai is red then kenpachi is scum.

I think we learn more from knowing kenpachis alignment.

gives some reasoning

Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 08:40 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 17 2011 08:31 sinani206 wrote:
scumbuddies

##Vote: Lanaia
##Vote: Kenpachi

##Vote: Sinani206

makes his second vote because of sinani's vote
(kenpachi and sinani got lynched and both flipped blue, risk was town)
So i actually this compared to this game risk nuke was aggressiv in attacking players even if he was relatively inactive.

So your meta reason is bollocks

Eventually he became aggressive, but he wasn't right off the bat. If my meta reason is bollocks, then what, did I magically post that in a prior game to cover my ass in this one? Don't be dense.

Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 06:32 risk.nuke wrote:
Okey, but isn't this exacly one of those situations where we connected two people and should not lynch both of them incase they are town.

##Vote Kenpachi

throws around his vote

Also, if you were in this game, you would know that this is his vote being "thrown around" is the farthest thing from the truth. Lanaia had anti-voted kenpachi, immediately drawing intense suspicion to both of them and in most people minds requiring at least one of them to be flipped to settle the matter. Also, you could vote multiple people in that game, so he wasn't shifting his vote around.
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
January 08 2012 20:40 GMT
#917
Edit, sentence fail:
Also, if you were in this game, you would know that calling this his vote being "thrown around" is the farthest thing from the truth.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 08 2012 20:44 GMT
#918
On January 09 2012 05:02 Dirkzor wrote:
Oh I love your cases Jackal. Oh well thought out and in depth they are.

/Sarcasm end

It doesn't take a 3000 word essay to point out the obvious.
/No sarcasm.
Life can only kill you once.
Spaackle
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States153 Posts
January 08 2012 20:51 GMT
#919
@Jackal Hypothetically, let's say I'm a complete noob and I don't know how to play this game. Explain to me: why is it obvious? Could you please give a little bit more reasoning, even if it is things that others have already pointed out?
Friendship is Magic!
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
January 08 2012 20:55 GMT
#920
Eventually he became aggressive, but he wasn't right off the bat. If my meta reason is bollocks, then what, did I magically post that in a prior game to cover my ass in this one? Don't be dense.

Your reasoning this game fir him being not scummy is that:
In a previous game you felt he wasn't being aggressive at a certain point during day1 and that this might have made him scummy.
He turned out to be town.
In this game at a point near the end of day 1 risk nuke hadn't been aggressive
and conclude that he isn't scummy, or completely dismiss the difference in play style.

There is a difference in his play style and it was apparent when you voted.
In this game he had had an awful lot longer to be aggressive but he wasn't (and still hasn't been).
This means that actually his meta was different
There were numerous other reasons that had been pointed out which you completely disregarded.

Also, if you were in this game, you would know that this is his vote being "thrown around" is the farthest thing from the truth.
By "throw around" i mean used for pressure. In that game he was exercising he voting power and using it to get reactions out of people, in this game he hopped on erandor at the brink to save himself.
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