Fact is that you forced things to look like HoD was a goddamn Angel even when he claimed the ONE role he couldn't as an Angel: IF he said a Demon was actually green, the Demons would push him to death because they would know he was an Angel, and we probably wouldn't even realize that. He had a fucking breadcrumb for his target against what others thought yet you still believed that he was an Angel.

This is again utter nonsense and ignores everything that has been said about the topic before.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 21 2012 09:21 GMT

#2601

I can't believe you wasted AoD on palmar on n1, no wonder the puzzle was unsolveable. And it's much easier to catch the scum team when you already know who your own team is. Moreover because he was scum I wouldn't be surprised if he named those 3 rather randomly instead of actually reading the thread

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 21 2012 13:25 GMT

#2607

For future reference don't ever claim VT unless you are being lynched and don't ever out blues, no matter how obvious. My last check was going to be grackaroni until you did that

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 21 2012 16:01 GMT

#2613

On January 22 2012 00:50 Bluelightz wrote:
People hate me in the QT

No one hates you, just the way you played in this game was just frustrating as it didn't seem like you were putting much effort into the game and what you posted didn't make it particularly easy (though I did have a slight town read on you) to determine your alignment. Still, you weren't the only one.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 21 2012 17:26 GMT

#2620

Layabout: you don't know erandorr like I do, the switch wasn't that bad

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 21 2012 17:53 GMT

#2627

RoL still insists that he thought the plan favors angels AND town, so if that is truly his take on it, it's a null tell

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 21 2012 17:58 GMT

#2631

On January 22 2012 02:56 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@Syllo
Who did you attempt to investigate each night?

(Zona usually releases all the actions, but I am impatient!)

N1: I sent in Jackal first but then switched to Tyrran
N2: Tyrran
N3: Grackaroni but switched to Zephirdd when he made that post in which he called me seer. Basically because I knew I was going to die unless HoD really was the angel of death and zephirdd was the third angel

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 21 2012 19:00 GMT

#2643

No, you were lynched because you were an anti-town player with no intention of helping town even when you were in danger of being lynched for the second day in a row. Your defense and the few stances that we forced out of you were inconsistent, nonsensical and overall suspicious. Feel free to keep pretending otherwise, but that is a fact

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 21 2012 19:09 GMT

#2649

I have already admitted that I didn't play well in this game, but those two things aren't mutually exclusive

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 21 2012 19:52 GMT

#2657

I'm not going to waste more time on you as you are clearly not a very self aware person or someone who is interested in re-assessing your own play. Feel free to look at what you said about meta and tyrran to see just one of the things that made you look very suspicious. You also don't appear to understand that your lack of interest in the game alone makes you a good lynch.

Also, there were a lot of good observations made about all the scum, it's just that due to there being so many apathetic townies it was easy to get distracted and not pursue those leads instead.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 21 2012 20:00 GMT

#2661

That post was especially bad considering what he had said about meta previously and besides that it makes no sense at all. He seems to be trying to match his steamship meta? Really?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 21 2012 20:14 GMT

#2665

You made yourself immediately suspicious by a completely nonsensical and anti-town attack on bluelightz, which I noted and layabout built on that. He then also moved on to risk nuke so that's a pretty disingenuous description of the events.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 21 2012 20:25 GMT

#2667

I don't give good people a free pass, I just consider it optimal play not to lynch good players on day 1 unless there are no alternative lynches of similar quality. In the long run this should be better play. I will adjust based on the player pool, so if the game has a bunch of good players, it's much safer to go after one. It's not even just that, I like to keep players who I like playing with around, though this is obviously not a good excuse, but just another incentive.

Anyway, you wrote that wall of text and in the end reached the same conclusion I did

The reason for thinking RoL is scum, was that he spent the entire first day doing nothing but making excuses for not playing. Then, he comes into the thread, and instead of doing the most useful thing he could, and scumhunting, he instead pushes a plan that could be considered anti-town. However, the major point here, is that he spent all his effort into making and defending a plan, instead of finding scum. Then he spends all of day 2 making excuses and saying he'll scumhunt later.

This has little to do with the content of his plan

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

January 21 2012 20:49 GMT

#2670

Holding people to a higher standard is a nice thought but doesn't seem optimal play in a player pool where often a few players win games for town. Also I don't think your case against palmar was quite as strong as you think; palmar genuinely thought even after the game that it was weak, which is one of the reasons why he played like that in TL mafia L (no further discussion about that game, but he has already flipped in it so that's fine). Of course by the end of n1 I was completely certain that he was scum, so had I reached that level of certainty earlier, I would have been fine with lynching him.

I was only "against" lynching RoL on day 2 because when I woke up there was suddenly a new wagon on him, which at the time seemed strange given the events of day 1 and because I thought I had to see risk flip (scum...) to know how to proceed next. I said I found him scummy, but again we can only lynch one a day and the game had 6 scum. If risk and rol had both been scum, as seemed quite possible to me at the time, risk's lynch would have produced much more useful information.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 01 2012 06:32 GMT

#2707

Well obviously I "slipped" by the end of day 2, but that was on purpose. Moreover it was rather obvious that someone who hasn't been able to investigate was the seer by day 3. I don't think it was possible for me to avoid being suspicious of HoD given the way night actions went; while I didn't really have an issue with his posting until day 3, I just couldn't understand what angels were doing with their kills unless HoD was the angel of death. Them attempting to night kill an obvious demon on n1 with the angel of death role was so unlikely. There being so many players I'm unfamiliar with also complicated things.

And yes, I do take these games too seriously but that's better than the opposite. Thanks for the write-up

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