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If it comes to you choosing me to be in or out based on that just let me know and I will drop the coaching thing. | ||
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On December 04 2011 08:53 wherebugsgo wrote: Done, but you'll have a post restriction in which you have to constantly praise my awesomeness. And he has to post as much as you I do added together. | ||
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My comp is mid reformat/windows install. Give me a few more hours and I will be jumping into the game then. If anyone would like me to comment or talk about any post/player/issue post so now and I will start with that. | ||
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On December 05 2011 05:56 Radfield wrote: New discussion topic: + Show Spoiler [ Jackal's first post] + On December 04 2011 23:57 Jackal58 wrote: Good morning. Role confirmed. Game on. Random lynch on day 1 seems counterproductive to me. On day anything really. What would you perceive as a benefit to doing that Palmar? Posting lists right out of the box about players who are likely on the scum team due to the hosts balancing reminds me a bit of Zodiac lists that have been posted in previous games. More often than not those lists were posted by scum. At least in the games I've seen them used in. You scum Palmar? The only way to 100% establish your innocence is to die. The last few games I've been trying to watch how scum players enter the thread. It's something I've always found a little difficult as scum. You have to somehow establish yourself in the thread, while simultaneously not draw attention... or at least that is the inclination. This post jumped out at me, and I'm wondering if it jumped out at anyone else. The tone, the touching on every subject, the shifting of attention back onto Palmar(twice). Anyone else or am I seeing things? Not to be funny by jumping in after you talk about jumping in but I have to say I agree with lists like that are not useful. From a pure game design / theory point if players are choosen for roles like that then you quickly set it up for the town to reading the mod to win instead of the town. That isn't the goal of the mod so that is a fallacy that either would be avoided or will in the future. From a more factual point of view, in my experience, mods will Eng the role/player list and if they want to tailor it they Eng several times until they like it. From a personal philosophy point of view I don't trust or even really care about approaches like this because they aren't based on anything a town player should have via confirmed info but is something scum could know. There is just so little chance for a town player to post trully useful lists like that day 1. It is just something to publicly ignore. Windows 60% done and then I can read the thread. | ||
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We need everyone to vote and explain every reason they have for their vote because this the one thing Mafai have to lie about everyday. Even bussing is a lie in a sense. Voting no Lynch is voting to hide relationships, motives, and information. | ||
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Windows done. At work I can browse TL kinda but I cannot login (blocked login server but the forum itself itsnt blocked) (the worst part about that is you have to be logged in to read a filter). So yes, I was phone posting AND reading the thread via phone this time but when I am work I read via a comp and then post via a phone. Let me go visit ninite to grab some programs, grab a cup of coffee, and then read the thread and start my notes. | ||
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Annul pointed out and I agree that they are wifom bait at best. It is also true that they can be a tool of the mafia to lead the town. There is nothing to be gained from them. Talk about other things instead of posting them as that is way more useful to the town so we can get reads. ---------------------------- On December 05 2011 00:57 TruthBringer wrote: Also, I've been out of the TL mafia loop for awhile, so if it comes to day 1 lynching, I'll be completely worthless as I can't read any of you at all. This bothers me because it is a pre flip scape goat. No one expects your vote to be 100% accurate day 1 as town. There would be no way for it to be. Town has no information beyond their PM which at most has some mason allies if they are in the game or some such. It is a closed setup so take anything anyone says about role related stuff with a grain of salt but to you will be completely worthless day 1 because you can't read people is irrelevant. You seem to push either the no lynch or the 'my vote will be bad and worthless so please ignore it / don't be mad about it' route thus far. ----------------------------- On December 05 2011 01:14 syllogism wrote: "Zodiac" lists are fine as a guideline for medics, especially in a game with newer players or players who are otherwise unsure as to who is a likely n1 target. Even if they decide against following it, it will discourage mafia from shooting into it. Given the recent success rate of TL medics, I think the main early game function of medics is to discourage mafia from being overly bold with their shots rather than to actually save someone. I swear we need a TL Mafia strat forum or something because it seems like things like this clutter up the games. This is not productive to talk about or discuss when it is a discussion amoung town players that can't tell who is the good guys and mafia players who can discuss things in private and add carefully selected pieces of input. If you think you have a good understanding of starts for blue roles then write a guide or something that is generic and post it in the forums so that people can read it and come to own, safer/hidden, conclusions about how to play their role. On December 05 2011 01:14 syllogism wrote:A strong player surviving until day 3 is just one of the things that should be taken into account when determining his alignment. It doesn't automatically make him scum, but rather is something that depends on other circumstances; ie. who else has died and such. The str of a player does not make him scummier or not. Plain and simple. I challenge you to provide some prof that is evidence based that says otherwise. With that in mind, i never advocate adding suspension based on things that are not scummy. So, with all that in mind, you can see why I will be ignoring this advice and will encourage others to as well. I just imagine this situation where a town vet is alive on day 4 and gets lynched because he isn't a new player. How awesome does that sound (o wait). ------------------------------- Ok that covers some random posts and issues. I have read the whole thread as of now. I like redFF's case on Palmer. It is decent for a day 1 poke and the response that Palmar has made is bothersome to me. I really want to read Palmar's next post because as of now I think him saying the case is terrible with not even a one sentence fragment statement of why is actually scummier than the points redFF brought up. Corrupt, could you go ahead and just name the player you think is scummiest, link us to or quote the post(s) that made you think so, and then provide the logical thinking you used to come to a conclusion? We all know its not a 100% thing (especially day 1) but you have added nothing and your play is coming off, as of now, as an attempt to fit in without adding anything at all. Lanaia why you gotta be a hater? I.E. what is scummy about my play thus far lol? I actually think that was just a stone throw at me for no reason and I don't like that because it doesn't add anything useful. Annul is a very logical player (points out RNG hate by Radfield followed by RNG vote; states directing power roles is stupid ; points out zodiac lists are giant wifom bait), I like his points about mafia in general thus far. What do you think about some of the players positions or contributions Annul (spefically the redFF/Palmar situation, Corrupt, and Radfield). Let me just cut and paste my notes on one player: My notes on Radfield day1- Opens with a random vote on prplhz (rng). Too safe a vote that provides nothing. Even calls it bad. Really searching for ways that are not scum hunting to find a day1 lynch. Plays off of syllogism and says we need to make the town innocent so we can see scum. Suggest no-lynch after this. Says he likes zodiac lists. Says he doesn't like directing roles via lists. Says no-lynch is good cuz it makes us all get along. Thus far, I find Palmar, Corrupt, Redfield to be the players I would be most interested in seeing flip. I find Radfield to be the scummiest of those. ##vote Radfield Does anyone want me to look back at anything else that has happened thus far? | ||
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That is scummy. | ||
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I read my PM etc before I made any posts once the day had started (just to be clear that I am aware of my role align in all of my posts etc etc). | ||
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Prplhz, in the post where you said, "Just want to sit around and wait for power roles to do our job," where you intending for the word our to be concerning alignment and thus mean, "Just want to sit around and wait for power roles to do the town's job." I am not saying that you are saying that is the blue's job to win the game or anything I am just trying to clear it up that you intended for that sentence to imply that the blue roles will do their job and your choice of pronoun was a result of blues sharing alignment with greens. Correct? | ||
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Opens with a random vote on prplhz (rng). Too safe a vote that provides nothing. Even calls it bad. Really searching for ways that are not scum hunting to find a day1 lynch. Radfield even agrees that he says RNG lynch is bad and then votes via a RNG. I get that you are saying vote != lynch but I refuse to not hold someone accountable (which would mean not take note of) for their votes. At the very least, he has made a vote that is clearly prestated to be worthless and that alone is scummy. You can't even use such a vote to pressure someone as the scum will just ignore worthless votes. He goes then to On December 04 2011 23:18 Radfield wrote: What about no lynching? That is an option in this set-up. Where would you rank it? So now we have RNG vote that he made sure to preamble with how worthless such a vote is followed by bringing up no-lynch. My feelings of his scummyness are based completely on his RNG way of having a throwaway vote that he is now safely hidden behind (on a player that for a bit was softclaimed as blue) and his then push to no lynch. I really dislike this post about the no lynch idea- On December 05 2011 01:33 Radfield wrote: If we end up no-lynching today, that is ok(although non-optimal). Keep in mind our Day 1 goals: 1. Create a positive atmosphere. Clarity, no arguing, etc. 2. Get everyone's votes and thoughts down on paper. Force scum to bullshit about who they want to lynch and why. 3. Establish baselines of activity for players for use in future days. Again, a no-lynch is not the end of the world, but we don't want to enter the day with a mindset of no-lynching. We want to enter the day planning to find scummy players, and gather a majority. You don't need to be able to 'read' anyone. Support people making sense, lynch people who are playing poorly. Past experience with players is useful, but not essential by any means. Even if you don't think you can find scum, contribute and make sure you don't get mistaken for one(assuming you are town). He mentions some truth and not so good things in a mixed up manner here. No lynches make day 1 worthless and the daytime is the time that the town has power. The town is an uninformed majority (or else the game is over) and a majority controls the lynch. In his list of 3 goals for day 1 I find goal 1 to be one that is there to just discredit aggressive players, point 2 is 100% correct and the only real goal, and point 3 is a neutral fall back thing to state as any alignment. He says a no lynch isnt the end of the world but then makes it clear how we should never start of thinking it is a goal. I really think he is trying to subtlety push this option. He doesn't want to get labeled as pushing it but is trying to bring up every small detail that can be viewed as positive for such a end to the day. His 2nd goal, the one that matters the most and is the most correct, is the one that he is not doing himself. I find that to be scummy as hell. He KNOWS the reasons for needed votes and cases and yet has a RNG vote (that he declared before making was worthless via stating that RNG isn't useful). | ||
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Do you disagree? | ||
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All my concerns were addressed with that post by Radfield. | ||
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I have to agree that what I call slap fights are awful for the town but aggression is good. I agree with your clarifications on all the matters. What a joy to have someone that responds quickly (luck there most likely, you are around and I am around), without saying 'u dumb/bad', and logically. I see where syllo is coming from now saying that you are a good player. | ||
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Not only will and has your play not provided any information that will help clue everyone on in to something that needs looked at (which would be the case if you made a case on someone instead of just posting a vague gut feeling) but your play is going to lack any links to reasons/evidence/motives and thus will be impossible to scum hunt in. We will be at most able to note your level of activity, your vote pattern, and your refusal to help. What BOTHERS me is that I have seen enough players that fit that description end up flipping town and the thread has to shake their collective fists and curse "bad townie." You are on notice now via my vote and this post. Change it up. ##vote Corrupt | ||
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On December 05 2011 08:26 Radfield wrote: I've always been of the opinion that anything I can see, mafia can see. My god I wish more players understood this. In the last game on TL I was able to hide behind this fact as scum because people kept ignoring it. I was able to 'fill some space' by just pointing this point out again and again. To be clear this isn't linking saying that to scum slip or what not, I am stating that when players forget this point and post without being aware of it (by posting 'zodiac lists' and doc target lists etc) they give the scum players an easy way to post a 100% true and 100% pro-town post that doesn't set their team back. There is so many reasons not to do things like that is the point of this post. ^_^ | ||
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The lack of votes makes the conversation more abstract. | ||
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That is the one thing he is doing right now that bothers me. | ||
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you hit the quote button | ||
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The reason that is a bad thing to do is it doesn't help town players to get a read on you. Read some posts and just make a call on how they make you feel or something. | ||
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By posting style I mean that I have played with people that post short 1-2 liners and then don't scum hunt while voting in a randomish fashion. I was hoping you would vote and put down some real reasons if pressured. At least you joined the conversation. ##unvote I was waiting for Palmer to post his defense before I pointed out the fallacy of the case (his list was an answer to a question) and I like his defense. I hate his current vote. Redff- So your case on Palmer is defunct and was based on a missreading of things. You are now voting corrupt in what I would say was the first true bandwagon vote of the game. I think you are acting scummy with this set of actions. About me- I don't really get the case on me. If someone would spell it out ill reply to it. Let the day of posting via phone begin (aka good morning thread). Oh and ##vote redff | ||
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Are you srs about the dayvig claim? | ||
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A dayvig is something breaks most setups if scum but that doesn't rule one out. | ||
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Someone tell Mr mod if he is on irc to check thread. | ||
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I think soap wasn't going to add anything and the Meta on him is weak cuz there isn't thing townhouse about his play last game except his flip. I think his play last game was a fine motivation for choosing him. | ||
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 Instead of being like ya post notes you don't have with or die to his vig post that instead. | ||
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On December 06 2011 02:14 prplhz wrote: This is a closed setup. I don't think a town dayvig would just shoot so rashly like that and then into a guy he has no read on. Palmar said that you needed to shoot a scum and then you just shoot a random useless lurker. Why didn't you wait for other people to show up and support you against Palmar? This all seems like you felt vulnerable and threatened and like you needed to get your shot off in a hurry and that you didn't care if it hit a townie, even though you were asked to hit a scum. I already found you suspicious and this didn't help at all. This post bothers me. Do you think that soap was greater than 50% chance gonna town? I know the stats for 6/25 but when you look at one person its either or (unless there is 3rd party). I don't see him helping, ever, and I don't see him posting things that will help to ID him as town. You seem to think that soap is confirmed town or somewhere close to that. Palmar stop trolling and explain your losing if possible. | ||
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Someone get the mod here! I want to see this flip. | ||
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On December 06 2011 03:05 syllogism wrote: So you are saying palmar is scum, vader is town and palmar used his psychic powers to determine that vader is a town day vig and would shoot Soap instead of, say, himself? GENTLEMEN. THE GAME IS SOLVED. | ||
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On December 06 2011 04:27 redFF wrote: the whole point of palmar saying he was a day vig was to find out if vader was actually keeping notes. That's retarded. Lieing to see if someone is lieing doesn't help to clarify anything. | ||
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All he has done is troll, lie, and call people bad. | ||
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Lieing to uncover a POSSIBLE lie is beyond flaw and contrasts to what I have seen you say in the past (Lynch all liars). | ||
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Next time pressure vote instead of pressure lie imo. + Show Spoiler + 1. StimilantE 2. prplhz day1- Calls turthbringer out for saying no lynch is good (scummy) but hates zodiac lists (proving he isnt noob) and then saying his vote will be worthless. SOFTCLAIMED POWER ROLE DAY 1 "Just want to sit around and wait for power roles to do our job? " Denies and clarifies softclaim. 3. Refallen day1- Claims not a smurf. 4. Radfield day1- Opens with a random vote on prplhz (rng). Too safe a vote that provides nothing. Even calls it bad. Really searching for ways that are not scum hunting to find a day1 lynch. Plays off of syllogism and says we need to make the town innocent so we can see scum. Suggest no-lynch after this. Says he likes zodiac lists. Says he doesn't like directing roles via lists. Says no-lynch is good cuz it makes us all get along. Makes it clear that he is actually not for a no-lynch 5. Palmar day1- Opens with a list of vets and says 2 of these are scum if the mod balanced in a smart way. List was a reply to a request for a list. Says lists are dumb. 6. Erandorr 7. hyshes 8. Zephirdd day1 - Fishes for a smurf claim on Refallen. 9. Drazerk 10. Jackal58 day1- Opens by saying random lynch is bad, lists are bad, and list makers often flip scum. Says the only way to confirm alignment is to die. 11. sandroba 12. syllogism day1- Opens by trying to say he wants to appear innocent via people questioning him. Likes zodia lists to direct medics. Declares that he will be looking at vets that live too long because that is scummy. 13. TruthBringer day1- advocates a no lynch and doesn't like zodiac lists. Says his vote is worthless. possible scummy post-http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=149&topic_id=291212 14. Toadesstern day1- Pops into the thread and says we should lynch a summy player or a lurker. 15. annul day1- Points out that Radfield doesn't like RNG and then RNGs. Says directing power roles is stupid. Points out how zodiac lists are wifom bait. 16. kingjames01 17. Corrupt Noob. day1- 18. Soap 19. Lanaia day1- Says I am scummy first post. 20. Risen 21. VisceraEyes day1- Opens by voting Palmer for wishy washy setupd speculation and no opinions. 22. vaderseven 23. Mattchew 24. Hier 25. redFF day1- Starts off by saying nolynch is bad till later in the game and really bad day 1 for good reasons. Then says palmar is scummy with no reasons and votes him. Posts his case when poked that its the useless list, followed by saying lists are useless. Ignores the reason for list posted in first place. Semi-weak case and probably wrong. | ||
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I am down with either a Palmar or Lanaia lynch at this point. ##unvote | ||
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On December 05 2011 23:17 Palmar wrote: [center]FOR GLORY ---img removed--- ##Vote Drazerk Oh boy RNG vote is helpful. + Show Spoiler + On December 05 2011 23:21 Palmar wrote: Do you have an issue with lynching Drazerk? On December 05 2011 23:25 Palmar wrote: Isn't Glory a reason? On December 05 2011 23:36 Palmar wrote: I am a kite. I went to v7's filter and I can't tell if he's scum or not, I think the rng on Drazerk is stronger. On December 05 2011 23:47 Palmar wrote: Cause my homeboy Soap told me so. Brofield, get in here and tell me what you think about v7. On December 06 2011 01:02 Palmar wrote: ok I'm a dayvig. Post your notes, every single one, unedited in the next 1 hour or I kill you. Ok... Tunnel in on me without making a case at all and then you use the lie of a claim in order to get a reaction from me. + Show Spoiler + On December 06 2011 01:42 Palmar wrote: Ok awesome. Now you have to shoot someone. May I suggest you kill Drazerk? On December 06 2011 01:42 Palmar wrote: oh wait, even better. since we're gonna hang you anyway, shoot someone, and if you hit scum we'll let you live for the night. Pick your own target! It's like a perverted russian roulette with random victims. Now you have basiclly set it up so that I am either a liar and need lynched, I shoot town and should be lynched, or i shoot scum and live. Nice added bonus that you are a liar about the same claim. You then through out a random lets lynch redff. You are now in full defense mode. You are either lieing to town, trolling, or defending yourself. I asked you once to scum hunt and you ignored that. The only that thing that gets you to stop trolling and lieing is to make it clear that you will get lynch. To bad you wont be the real type of useful and scum hunt. Your filter is damning to me. Linaia's is nowhere near as scummy as yours. | ||
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I still will default to lynching him cuz he is scummy. | ||
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He has pushed for some random lynches (and not pushed for anything besides random lynches) He hasn't scum hunted at all. | ||
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I posted those with out even reading them over again as a good faith thing. I was home for like 1.5 mins before they were up. | ||
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*rolls eyes* I said I dont want to post my notes cuz they are short, full of shorthand that I use, and not really helpful becuase they lack conclusions. Palmar said he would shot me in the face if i didn't post them and that started everything. I didn't write them up intending to share them. | ||
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On December 06 2011 08:01 Zephirdd wrote: My point is that he made a fucked up move, and that tells me that he is more town than scum. Scums at least think thoroughly their steps, they won't go fuck up like that day 1. Especially NOT Palmar, because I do know that he is smart enough for that. Fuck, there is no way to argue for his defense without meta. It's just... he isn't red, he doesn't feel red to me. Sorry, but I got nothing. Honestly, that doesn't say anything that defends his scummy actions. You are basiclly saying that Palmar only does town actions. He didn't play that way today regaurdless of everything else so why should we apply meta like that at this time. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291212¤tpage=19#368 was around when I stopped 'playing' last night and I don't send my notes to work usually. Thats why it was silly to post them. I only did so cuz I was "on notice" to do so. | ||
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NOTHING he has done today is pro town. Take any of his posts and you will find either abstract game theory filler, defense, RNG based pushes, trolling, or lieing. THIS ISN'T PRO TOWN PLAY SUPERSOFT. THIS IS PLAY THAT DOES HELP THE SCUM. get it? | ||
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This is why I dont like to post my notes palmar. | ||
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On December 06 2011 08:23 supersoft wrote: if she's a real girl, thats not a scumtell. Sorry folks. Girls contradict themselves all the time. even so i am going to read her filter of her last scumgame... I'd like to have a little bit more than just Radfields verdict. On December 06 2011 07:17 vaderseven wrote: I like the case on Lanaia ALOT. It really does fit especially with her posting style last game. The asap posting about things when called out is pretty dang fishy to me too. I am down with either a Palmar or Lanaia lynch at this point. ##unvote I read her and posted an agreement with Radfield fyi. | ||
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On December 06 2011 08:27 flamewheel wrote: why u so many page Rolling dice and shooting guns. | ||
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My thoughts. Palmer has acted scummy in multiple ways (Lies, Trolling, Randon Votes instead of Scum Hunting, and only posts in a srs way when defending himself). More info here - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291212¤tpage=39#776 Your entire post boils down to a, "u bad bro." I don't think it is decided if Palmar is innocent or a good lynch. The votes will decide that. Rash behavior would include posting big pictures of dice to RNG vote people when there is ~12 hours left in the day. Rash behavior would include fake claiming. Everything Palmer has done today has been unhelpful yet he is posting alot. The best defense that people are posting is that he isn't dumb enough to act like that as scum. I ask who thinks it is smart to act like that as town? Just because a move is a dangerous move as scum doesn't make it pro-town. Each action needs to be looked at and understood on its own. RNG instead of scumhunting. I call that scummy. Fake Claim instead of a pressure vote (especially given the timing of people starting to question my vote on corrupt because I had been out of the thread asleep for awhile; he did this as a small wagon was starting on me). I call that scummy. Trolling after events happen and adding nothing productive until he defends himself. I call that scummy. Consider if I had posted the notes he wanted me to post when he asked. I said I don't want to post the notes they are not helpful. He then lies and tries to force the notes out of me. Had he gotten me to post those he could have been like ya I did to get him to post look at me Im really good at this, oh and his notes are just a giant list lynch this guy. I see this as a minor day 1 gambit that I did not play the part he imagined I would play. He was trying to setup a decent case that already had some people voting on in a way that would be seen as a 'cool move' even if it didn't work. I see no town motivation to lie about a claim in order to get someone to post something that they say isn't helpful in the first place. Its just an over allocation of risk for too little gain. I think he wanted to use my notes to build a case on me based on the fact that I myself said the notes are not helpful. | ||
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On December 06 2011 08:40 Palmar wrote: Someone is going to notice this sooner or later, so I might as well claim it anyway. I have an extra vote, (the role name is floridian) that means the anonymous vote that will show up on the voting chart is mine. I don't see any reason as for why I should not claim this role, as an anonymous vote will probably confuse people more than it helps to keep it concealed. Just curious here, why did you not claim this when you placed your first vote? I was assuming that the vote counts were out of date or some such. | ||
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On December 06 2011 08:41 Refallen wrote: As for v7 I can't see him as scum either, though I think it was retarded he immediately cc-ed dayvig without just waiting for people to defend himself from Palmar's retardedness. I'm assuming mafia can talk at day among themselves too right? Think if he was scum his buddies would probably tell him that claiming dayvig against palmar's claim is stupid. Lastly, I think there are better people to lynch, for example, Hier, for reasons aforementioned above Traditionally, at least, mafia can talk in private during the day and night. I have something to add to this. I was trying to test his claim as it was my role as well. My role name is "Jack." On December 06 2011 01:29 vaderseven wrote: Listen Jack, you don't have to shoot me. On December 06 2011 01:29 vaderseven wrote: Wtf Jack=palmar On December 06 2011 01:38 vaderseven wrote: Thaw all you have to say about everything from the last page palmar? On December 06 2011 01:40 vaderseven wrote: I stand by everything I posted. On December 06 2011 01:45 vaderseven wrote: I now highly doubt your claim palmar. Do you stand by your claim? I was trying to confirm his claim in a way that would help him to see my claim was true and thus have him not shot me. | ||
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If I had dropped the Jack name and got no reaction out of you I could have shot you right then. I considered doing that but didn't feel as good at the time about you flipping as I did soap. If I could go back in time and help myself out, I would have done just that. | ||
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On December 06 2011 08:58 Drazerk wrote: we are not no lynching stop suggestion it. It is horrible in this situation If we dont have a majority we no-lynch. I am saying that I will activly avoid that situation if I am able to apply control to it. Palmar I reread page 25 and page 26. On December 06 2011 01:39 Palmar wrote: Do you stand by your dayvig claim? On December 06 2011 01:40 vaderseven wrote: I stand by everything I posted. On December 06 2011 01:42 Palmar wrote: Ok awesome. Now you have to shoot someone. May I suggest you kill Drazerk? You do realize that with the amount of 'meta-respect' you are pulling on this forum that you have basically drawn a line in the sand there right? Those 3 posts were back to back to back and your offer seemed way more to set me up to be "a liar" if I backed off my claim. I really should have shot you. It would have made a lot more sense. | ||
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On December 06 2011 07:08 wherebugsgo wrote: You may not vote for a no-lynch, so this vote is void. No-lynch only occurs with the lack of a majority. Every player must vote for a specific player to be lynched. | ||
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On December 06 2011 09:19 Zephirdd wrote: "Majority" could be either "More than half" or "Most votes", depending on interpretation. Can someone clarify that, or am I just bad at English? :| Actually your are more correct than I was in reading this. Now I want clarification. I was assuming things there based on what in my mind was the single meaning. Good job, your English is serving you well! | ||
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5. This game follows Extended Majority Lynch Rules. Majority = #of players remaining in the game/2) (rounded down) + 1. Unlike in traditional majority lynch, the lynch is NOT decided the moment majority is reached. Instead, only the final vote count matters. If there is no majority at the deadline, the day ends with a no lynch. Non-voters will be modkilled for failure to vote. So with 24 players in the game its= 24/2 = 12 12+1 = 13. If noone has 13 or more votes there is a no lynch. | ||
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##Vote: Hier I am going to go to do non mafia things but will try to check the thread before lynch. Moved my vote in case I am not back before deadline. | ||
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Your choice of calling soap homeboy mildly influenced the choice as like a small wifom chance of being scum with palmar. The main reason I choose soap was because I believe, as was kinda pointed this night, that his present Meta after the last game would make it possible for him to play the lurkiest most unhelpful scum. On the chance that he was town he was going to be just as helpful as he was last game. The only two uses he was going to have was to be a decoy for scum and to add 1 to the town count.. I think the change of votes on heir that forced the votes of several of us onto him from Palmer was ill timed and a poor decesion. | ||
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It really bothers me that you would even suggest that your suggestion of draz was a real piece of input. | ||
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How much stupidier one player or the other is than me is useless and details. That is all. | ||
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That is why my spammy self has posted at 5% my usual rate this real life day. | ||
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Posting in thread helps to strengthen coordinated actions. At night the coordinated actions are those of scum and at day the coordinated action is that of the lynch (which is town controlled in that town outnumbers scum). | ||
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Sorry Incognito, I truly do try to keep those to a min but I am actually probably the worst post on this sub forum as far as not realizing all I want to say AND in making typos that confuse things horribly. I am trying to pay attention to it! | ||
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By all means scum hunt! Just post it in the morning. | ||
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On December 07 2011 07:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Keep in mind that I think you're full of shit v7 and I'll scumhunt anytime I want. :D v7, what is the basis of your suspicion of Palmar? Pretty much what I have said over and over throughout the day yesterday. His play was based on RNG, Lieing, and trolling and none of those things are good for the town. They create situations that are good for the scum. | ||
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On December 07 2011 10:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Define 'overdoing it' Toads. If by overdoing it you mean 'airing all of my thoughts completely before day breaks' then yeah, guilty as charged.  OFF WITH YOUR HEAD. + Show Spoiler + Not a scum claim if you end up dead. + Show Spoiler + Or is it?+ Show Spoiler + IT IS A MYSTERY!!!! How long until the day starts? | ||
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There is an old semi meme i see around a lot of "don't wifom the night kills." I am going to bed, I'll post tomorrow morning when possible. | ||
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He is a lair, he is purposefully unhelpful, and he is scum. His play during the night was a calculated move to transition to a non troll state to avoid a policy lynch situation today. | ||
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The bottom line is that, gasp, every single night the scum will attempt to hit, you guessed it, town. Seeing as they know who the scum are its really not hard for them to choose a correct target. Any other speculation on thier choices is wifon to the largest degree. | ||
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Again, toad, you are trying to look to closely at the night kills. Scum killed some town players. End of (useful) story. | ||
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What do you have to say about the timing of your FAKE CLAIM yesterday? You were being opertunistic in asking for the notes of a player that had a wagon formed. Had my notes made people sour you would have been able to let every one continue to jump on me and if they checked out no skin off of your back. I am accusing you of attempting to create additional evidence on me because you saw a chance to lynch someone that had an iffy case at the time. People said my corrupt vote was a bandwagon and you wanted to see if tou could expand that case. ##vote palmar | ||
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Palmar's stlye is very easy to play defensivily as he can always say I was wrong about that one thing I was focused on. By changing his approach to how he does his single minded focus he is able to say 'I am not doing ___ anymore.' Palmar has nothing to lose by pressuring very specific issues in an extremely hard fashion and it trully serves to help focus the entire town in on very useless pieces of info. Annul was shot and protected DOESN'T confirm a dang thing about anything. Me saying that my notes are sloppy, incomplete, and not really formatted to be read by everyone in thread says nothing about my alignment. Yet these are the things he is focusing every player onto. When he isn't stating his focus he is asking every player to talk about what he is focused on rather than anything else. He is very willing to point out the logical holes or incoorect meta/setup theory when it isn't about what he is focused on. He is narrowing our focus onto wifom'able and inconclusive items and poking holes into everything else. The only time he deviates from that is to lie, troll, defend himself, and call every point that isn't his dumb. He is scum. | ||
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On December 08 2011 03:22 Mattchew wrote: vader cant you just dayvig again and shoot palmar? No, once I have used an ability I can't use it again. Toad I really am not emotional. I started that post as a look at annul cuz he is the vote leader and it just led to the fact that the case on him by palmar is a distraction and nothing more. | ||
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Uh, I don't know. I wish I had done it in the first place ocer soap but what you are asking isn't possible so I haven't considered it. I guess not right now is the answer I have. | ||
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Assuming the alignment of an unclaimed role and/or determining the algnment of someone by assuming the alignment of an unclaimed role is rediculous. Annul claims he was shot and protected. Annul is not confirmed scum by this and a doc protecting him confirms nothing. As a town we need to stop basing huge conckusions off of ALMOST 100% unconfirmed data. You want to know what an easy case for scum to jump on looks like? One that is based in assumed facts that are just not confirmable. I have no idea what annuls alignment is but I can certwinly say there is nothing about his claim of being protected in no way suggests any one single conclusion let alone confirming one. | ||
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I have a neutral to slightly scum read on lanaia's posting style but nothing that helps me to feel good about a case so i have her marked as 'cant tell.' I have you marked as being full of bad ideas and questions (not bad questions) (also no hate!!!) but un readable as of now beyond that. Redff strikes me as scummy and I plan to present that later on. His style is so differrnt though that I reserve saying anyhing beyond that he strikes ne as such till I comb his filter and look at some items. Prplhz I couldnt decide on things after reading some of his stuff. I do feel like the most important issue we face right now is palmar and via proxy annul. We are being led on half facts and assumptions into a tunnel vision esk discussion. I'll flesh my thoughts on those I just mentioned as well as maybe some others tonight over a cup of coffee. For now I can give you this. | ||
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While what you suggest is possible, that is assuming enough things that you don't know that it is like one of probably 10,000 possible scenarios. Pretending that one of them is likely is a trap that makes you ignore the real items at hand. If palmar and I are scum and we did all that as a gambit we had it planned to a T. Like, he had to asks for my notes right as I get to work, claim dayvig and deadline me a time line that doesnt allow me to be at home, do rapid fire back and forth, suggest a target to me, me shoot said target. Do you remember last game where I tried to organize a straight forward vote swap at the last second? Simple gambits like that are hard enough. I mean, lighting can strike someone three times in one year but that doesnt mean you should waste time thinking about it till you find out he lives at the top of the only tree in town lol. | ||
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I think my vote at the end of today will help people to know my alignment. (/jokepost) Mattchew, I think I want to see you try to rethink things and come up with a logical less out there idea. I don't know how to say that better. I completely accept your retraction of asking doc to claim, I am pretty sure on re-reading your filter that you are just not uber experienced with mafia and closed setups in particular. Shit, even I am not experienced enough in non themed closed setups (I feel dumb about the jack thing). | ||
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We gotta break that pattern now. | ||
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I still think Palmar is more likely scum than not, but not in a damning huge sense. I really dislike his choice of play on day 1 if he is town (I think that is obv) but I cant conclusively say it was a 100% scum style. I want to, but I can't. What I hate most right now about that situation is that if Palmar flips scum I will hate it even more if I ever backed down. Too bad thats a horrible reason to tunnel someone and ignore everything else. You have to take one for the team ego wise sometimes. about annul- I don't really think that his claim of being hit and protected or his asking prplhz to clarify a possible 'blueslip' are very good evidence. I can see a town player doing those things. He has added basicly nothing to the thread though. His filter as a whole is scummy. At this point, I feel he is a better choice to lynch then palmar. ##unvote Palmar ##vote Annul about me- Ya I have played years of forum mafia. I also historically hate and misplay blue roles. I am much more comfortable as a green. I excel as a green. Give me a gun and I just get nervous and ancy I guess. | ||
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On December 09 2011 01:33 Radfield wrote In addition Palmar being the floridian gives him a large amount of townie points if you look objectively at the set-up. Well, objectivily, almost every player in the game is unknown. To say we conclude how one role, that traditionally can be with either side, is a townie role based on setup is to draw a very large conclision on extremely incomplete data. | ||
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Declaring you will not allow a no lynch is fine. Declaring that you wont push to lynch is scummy and will juat bandwagon is scummy. Vote what you think is right and worry about no lynch avoidance when the time comes. All truhbringer said is if he is voting someone that wont get lynched and there is no majoritt he will change his vote. That is fine and even normal/common. | ||
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This really makes me believe erandors 'im sick' defense and I send him a fell better wish via this post. IMO, this brings us back to annul/palmar. I was getting into the case on erandor but now his defense seems too good to just ignore like I was preparing to. I know that is pretty meta but it just seems rash to lynch a guy that replaced in like this considering he nature of the case leading up to now. tl;dr - replacement is a soft confirmation of real life making it impossible to play and that soft confirmation really destroys alot of the case in my eyes. | ||
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I also dont think any line was crossed enough to warrent a mod forced replacement. | ||
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1. Me. Beyond that, let me think, I'll answer soon. 2. I don't have a strong opinion on that. And I am around as of now. | ||
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On December 09 2011 09:42 vaderseven wrote: 1. Me. Beyond that, let me think, I'll answer soon. 2. I don't have a strong opinion on that. And I am around as of now. I think Mattchew is probably the single most likely to flip town outside of myself ofc. | ||
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On December 09 2011 09:48 Palmar wrote: 2. I am leaning town on him at the moment, the way he argues with an open mind seems pretty towny to me, but I wouldn't bet my life on it. I agree with this. Overall I have little read one way or the other but his posting lately rubs me like that. | ||
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On December 09 2011 09:52 Jackal58 wrote: Wtf is iNcontrol? I love that the mafia forum here is awesome enough to have a 3k post count person that doesn't know him. Hes a sc2 person. | ||
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He is hyping an announcement. Get it? | ||
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sorry was in a game of hon. I can confirm that anul is telling the turth. | ||
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##vote Palmar ill brb but wanted to not vote the guy that obv is not lieing. | ||
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THINK PEOPLE THINK. | ||
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Unless he read my PM he knows EXACTLY what a jack can do. This jack role is not a scum role, read the claim. | ||
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Palmar is the scummiest IMO. | ||
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Town win condition: You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated. Mafia win condition: You win when you control majority of the voting power in the Town or when nothing can stop you from outright killing everyone. I just took this in. Palmar's role sounds fucking town now. ##unvote | ||
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##vote redff redff is teh best choice and I can accept a no lynch over him if desired but Palmar and annul are not good choices. | ||
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Traditional is 50% of the players. This specifically states control the vote. | ||
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Honestly I feel BETTER about a no lynch but you are the one I feel best if we lynch. First time I have ever said that EVER. | ||
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On December 09 2011 12:17 redFF wrote: so how does that make palmar's role town exactly??? doesn't it also make it scummy, as it helps further scum's wincon if he's scum??? Combo that with the mafia count and you see where I am coming from? | ||
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Its not product and PURE defense | ||
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:/ Redff has a posting style justs really isn't helpful at times (the one liners) and his defense seems very much a scummy defense. | ||
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Ok? So did everyone today. | ||
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Much to talk about tomorrow Im thinking (real life tomorrow). | ||
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Stop with insults before you get modkilled bro, I can care less if you call me an idiot but there has been several blue posts bout that. | ||
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I stated something that SHOULD have received a certain reaction if he has the exact same role as mine. When I asked about he INSTANTLY said exactly what he should have said. This verified that he knows the correct powers that the jack role has access to. | ||
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I used no ability last night. I am pretty sure that most of the loud parts of this game have actually all been town. I am going into this day thinking that both annul and palmar are town. | ||
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Now that we have that thrown in the open suddenly... Do you know if Palmar was attacked? Does your message of success/failure indicate that? | ||
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On December 10 2011 14:15 Refallen wrote: I protected palmar last night and I protected drazerk on day one. I thought I should claim now as several people think I'm scummy. For future reference, I think you probably shouldn't have claimed unless you were starting to lead a vote count and it was looking like you would be the lynch. At least this early in the game. | ||
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Annul, you are squirming. On December 09 2011 14:31 annul wrote: mason means PM rights with a person. alignment is irrelevant. if i use mason on someone i get to PM them for one cycle, nothing more. Is it day or night. Super important. It IS specific. | ||
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I didn't know I was crossing that line at all so I am just gonna avoid that discussion. | ||
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On December 11 2011 08:22 annul wrote: the mods are making some really questionable calls this game ;\ nothing you said breaks any rules whatsoever. "be specific about the ability you claim to have" is not at all violating any rule. you can say "my role PM says X" and as long as you do not actually post the PM or screenshot or something, you are fine. in any case, any more traps or tricks you wanna throw my way before you realize im not lying? I think you arent lieing and what you said about that rule is what i have always understood. Its not my game though so its not my place to make rules. I don't know how to pass on my feelings about your not being scum at this point. | ||
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Annul has shown VERY much so that he has the exact same role that I do. I won't be voting for annul even it is to avoid a no lynch. | ||
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Zeph I dont think that case will have time to get enough exposure/discussion to come about. I think redff is a way better lynch. | ||
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this post was supposed to be in the last one. STOP TALKING BOUT NIGHT SKILLZ AT NIGHT. | ||
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Option 1 on Refallen? You choose to be a vet and target someone? LYNCH. ##vote annul GOD i hate being played. | ||
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Read that post and his 2 posts that are right after. I ask what did he do and he says he targeted Refallen with option 1. Option is to make yourself a vet. gg. | ||
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On December 14 2011 05:55 Toadesstern wrote: how is it my fault I said I'm not going to vote Annul as long as V7 says Annul HAS TO BE town because of his weird role. So what's this all abut now? Someone care to explain or do I still have to blindly trust V7 now changing his mind? Its not blind, Annul is claiming to have used an ability that is a self target on Refallen. He has no reason to do that if he wasn't lieing about his role because it would just create this situation. | ||
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On December 14 2011 07:04 Mattchew wrote: You couldn't say those 4 ablities? fuck I would have lynched Annul so much faster had I known that was it. All of those are town/scum neutral Thats the abilities I have in the correct order. | ||
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The possible bonus is we can catch people in lies especially when people are made to claim what they did on X night. | ||
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I am fairly sure that the JOAT is a town role. Abilites: Vet for one night Med for one night Mason for one day/night day vigi I just think having that on a scum team wouldn't make sense. | ||
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You have resorted to an OMGUS as soon as a claim falls apart to a counter claim and that is a very standard mafia tactic. Seeing as I have pretty much destroyed by virtue of calling you out on a lie in your claim Splitting the hair about your claim of able to go bulletproof vs mine to go vet for a night is misdirecting the conversation away from the fact that I claimed and breadcrumbed my role way in advance and you did a copy cat style play to establish yourself. Don't think that I have forgotten how it was when everyone was putting myself in their 'probably town' lists that you went established your copy cat claim. Also, your analysis of bulletproof vs vet as 'more town' operates under an assumption that the town has a max of 1 KP per night. That being said, I don't believe you are a jack or any multi ability user. I think you are a mafia single shot day vig. You found a great way to get your shot off without being insta lynched for it and you are riding that all the way to the present moment. I was stupid in this game up till now about this whole issue but it is actually so clear now. Thank you for slipping up in your claim. The fact of the matter is, you are not the same role as I. I am a town [color=blue]Jack[/color] and you have claimed to be the same thing. Your abilities do not match mine. You are lieing about the name of your role and the only reason to do so is if you are not town aligned. I am extremely glad that you claimed to have protected Refallen last night as this is what started the matter. You made a small slip and said you used your first option on Refallen and then that mistake expanded into admitting to not knowing what the Jack role has as its abilities. Palmar, I'm sorry. | ||
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The combo of my itchy trigger finger day 1 and my willingness to believe the claim of annul has totally derailed the focus of the town and has probably doomed us to a lose. Annul, you are going to die at the very least. Vote for annul for the lynch gents. | ||
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You see that I have found a fault in your claim. The ONLY logical course of action for someone in my place is to conclude that you are lieing. I would therefor, logically, vote you. Stop splitting hairs and avoiding the issue of your claimed in a way to take advantage of current events in order to get a free shot off and then as your claim was slowly looked at a couple of cracks appeared. I think this is where I first started to really suspect something was up with your claim: On December 13 2011 15:07 vaderseven wrote: Annul did you use an action last night. On December 13 2011 15:34 annul wrote: yes. On December 13 2011 16:20 annul wrote: on refallen. On December 13 2011 16:25 annul wrote: option 1 On December 14 2011 04:00 vaderseven wrote: Annul, you are a LIAR. Option 1 on Refallen? You choose to be a vet and target someone? LYNCH. ##vote annul GOD i hate being played. On December 14 2011 05:30 annul wrote: no? option 1 that has a chance of being targeted at refallen. as in not the option that can be used at day or night. On December 14 2011 06:38 vaderseven wrote: Annul, go ahead reveal to the thread all your abilities. Its just more lies now. -_- On December 14 2011 06:41 annul wrote: as you wish ability 1: bulletproof ability 2: day vig ability 3: medic ability 4: mason "option 1" obviously refers to me using medic and not mason. Ok. Thats where it becomes some backpedaling. OPTION 1 among 4 abilities that are supposed to be common between us would be ability 1. You even number them. This clearly makes it obvious what the common understanding of option 1 would be. | ||
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If you were my role and had medic'd Refallen last night you would have said, I used my 3rd ability on Refallen. Simple. Clear. Thats what you go for in claims like this. The fact that you said option 1 implies that you thought that was a simple and clear answer. Maybe you ARE a multi ability mafia role and you just assumed your abilities matched mine. @ Refallen - Did you get any notice of any night actions that targeted you? | ||
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On December 14 2011 15:52 annul wrote: B. HOW CAN I BE A MAFIA ONE SHOT DAY VIG IF I PULLED MEDIC, MASON, DAY VIG, AND (X) OUT OF MY ASS? those ARE your four abilities, after all. like honestly how the fuck would i know these things? this is so disingenuous its absurd. This is the one thing I think that is true. You are right, you are some other variation of a multi-ability role and you were assuming your abilities matched mine. It is likely that you are a scum variation of my role. ive also taken the liberty of removing the bold blue text, since i fucking hate when people do that, as if it implies authority of a mod confirmation when it is bullshit. people should stop using any colors in text except green for official mod questions. LoL. Chill. That's actually hilarious because it is the first time I have ever done that in a game of mafia ever (in ~5 years of mafia). | ||
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On December 14 2011 15:52 annul wrote: as you wish ability 1: bulletproof ability 2: day vig ability 3: medic ability 4: mason "option 1" obviously refers to me using medic and not mason. FIVE HOURS LATER, YOU CONFIRM THIS On December 14 2011 11:32 vaderseven wrote: Abilites: Vet for one night Med for one night Mason for one day/night day vigi [/QUOTE] I see what you did there. Took me a second. Do you bother to mention why I say you should claim? It is because I said option 1 makes no sense as that is the option that makes you a vet. You then go into to saying I am a liar. Here is the timeline without the omissions: On December 14 2011 04:00 vaderseven wrote: Annul, you are a LIAR. Option 1 on Refallen? You choose to be a vet and target someone? LYNCH. ##vote annul GOD i hate being played. I clearly have called you out for saying that used option one on Refallen and I name the real option 1. On December 14 2011 05:30 annul wrote: no? option 1 that has a chance of being targeted at refallen. as in not the option that can be used at day or night. That is your first reply. On December 14 2011 05:31 annul wrote: also, the first listed option altogether is NOT veteran. Now you are correcting your error and doing a subtle attack onto my claim (of first ability), which DID occur first thank you. Your counter claim of bulletproof over vet and the whole bulletproof is more pro town is a result of me claiming vet as an ability. Simple. As. That. On December 14 2011 05:55 annul wrote: are you dumb? you are going to make me reveal every power we have to prove it to you? i would imagine you would want me to keep it secret for obvious reasons Our next posts. I make it CLEAR as hell that you are lieing based on your claimed ability usage and claimed role. Only then do I post: On December 14 2011 06:38 vaderseven wrote: Annul, go ahead reveal to the thread all your abilities. Its just more lies now. -_- And from there you put up your list. Your list isn't the magical first list that your big post trys to make it out to be. My list that came 5 hours after yours was a simple information based list to help make it clear what I was calling you out on. I await your next twisting of my words my worthy foe. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/funny-pictures-bravo-bunny.jpg) You really had me scratching my head for a second with that 5 hours later you post the 2nd list of Jack abilities. I had to re-read both of our filters to make sure that I wasn't crazy and that I really had named that Vet was an ability before you named bulletproof. | ||
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On December 14 2011 15:52 annul wrote: what a horrible defense you have put up. all game i stand firm to the pressure and survive two full days of onslaught of people saying there cant be two town jacks. the REAL mafia jack gets a couple of posts of pressure by me and completely disintegrates. Dang you are good at playing scum. That is an awesome buddying up to a large case vs you in an attempt to create a case out of thin air on me. You even couple that with an image of me having no logical place to stand saying that you are lieing. You said that you used option 1 on Refallen and I said uh option is to become a vet. You then backpedal and quickly go from being pro-me to anti-me. I finally caught you in a slip up that proved you were not the same role as me. With that you have no choice other than to OMGUS me. You have claimed town jack and so have I. The moment our claims don't match it is 100% the moment that we know each of our alignments, that of opposites. You recognized this and ASAP began to find ways to make a case that your claim is more town than mine. It is the most classic scum OMGUS (not town OMGUS) in that you realized at the same instant as I that your alignment had been revealed to me via your claim vs mine. | ||
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Imagine a 3 player game. 1 mafia, 1 cop, 1 VT. The cop and the mafia both say I AM THE COP. They then both vote each other. They are both OMGUSing each other. | ||
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On December 14 2011 16:26 Refallen wrote: Vader, I did not receive any such notification, except for the one which said I got roleblocked. Did other medic'd peeps get a message about being protected? | ||
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On December 14 2011 15:52 annul wrote: the difference between BP and vet is everything, it is so crucial because it shows how i am town and you are mafia. to deflect AWAY from this is to play defense when for the first time in the game i can be totally confident in my ability to play offense on somebody else. there is zero chance whatsoever that i am wrong here. zero. It is everything? The difference or the ordering of the claims? I don't get how thats everything. Vet and Bulletproof are common roles that can be on either side of mafia/town. OHH I get it. It is everything meaning that it is the crucial thing that forced your hand and, as such, has to be a part of everything you say concerning you vs me from this point on. I said vet was option 1 and then you said thats wrong and posted your list. You are counterclaiming bulletproof to my vet and saying that vet is anti-town. I say that vet is a fine town ability (lol at saying it isn't, nice use of comparison to create an abstract negative view of something that in reality is a positive). I also say that your counterclaim of bulletproof to my vet is a smoke screen to take attention off the fact that you LIED and said you used option 1 on Refallen. I called you out on that and said option one is a vet and then voted for you. Funny how that difference is 'everything.' I think the lie that you got caught in is everything. | ||
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When I claimed DAY VIG it was because Palmar was going to 'shoot me' or so he claimed. I was intrigued by his claim and basically asked him if he was a jack as I am. He didn't react to that at all and now I had a claim in the thread. I shot a worthless lurker that I thought might just be scum. I tried to cover my tracks of being a Jack but apperently that is a super common role on TL. I was hopping that it would be very easy to avoid mafia attention at night if they didn't know I had another possible set of actions to choose from. When you claimed Jack it was when you were leading the vote count. You claimed it and then you and I played a bit of cat and mouse with me trying to get you to confirm your abilities to me. The other things that were going on in the game up till that point were all focused on me/palmar. Palmar trolling and then getting an over reaction out of me. Those items very much so flavored the timing of your claim. I had set a pattern of it being acceptable for a player to shoot when under pressure and then be called "very towny" by alot of the players. You tried to set up a copy of that exact situation. The problem is you were in no why trying to hide you other abilities. You went ahead and said I AM A JACK LIKE V7. I felt for sure that you were a Jack at that point. A more town move in your case would have been to establish a mason link with someone and use that to establish your alignment. You instead made sure that you got one more town player killed. Going through my notes I see that the only reason I was fairly sure about your claim at the time was that you mentioned the ability to mason someone which I had not mentioned in the thread and when I mentioned the night option to cop someone and then asked you if you caught any issues with what I said you said there was something concerning night actions that wasn't correct. [hey palmar read that, thats why i defended him for so long] That made me willing to overlook your stupidly anti-town way of going about your claim. Now it is clear that you do not have the same abilities and that you were copying my claim pattern in an effort to confirm yourself to the same level as I had that you are towny. It is only now that your claim has fallen apart, as I knew it would if you were not telling the truth and I continued to ask about your role, that you are turning to attack me. I was of great use to you and now that that has ended I must die right? I should have listened to everyone that pointed out the scummyness of your play instead of trying to read into the rules/setup/roles. Now that you have proven that the only reason for you being alive, that of you having the same role as me, is in fact not true, I see you hanging. I rest my case, time for bed! | ||
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On December 14 2011 16:50 annul wrote: you named vet 5 hours AFTER i named bulletproof. not the other way around. Look again bro! On December 14 2011 04:00 vaderseven wrote: Annul, you are a LIAR. Option 1 on Refallen? You choose to be a vet and target someone? LYNCH. ##vote annul GOD i hate being played. On December 14 2011 05:31 annul wrote: also, the first listed option altogether is NOT veteran. On December 14 2011 06:41 annul wrote: as you wish ability 1: bulletproof ability 2: day vig ability 3: medic ability 4: mason "option 1" obviously refers to me using medic and not mason. On December 14 2011 11:32 vaderseven wrote: I am 100% sure that annul is a JOAT. I am fairly sure that the JOAT is a town role. Abilites: Vet for one night Med for one night Mason for one day/night day vigi I just think having that on a scum team wouldn't make sense. Stop trying to confuse the issue. This is a factual list of the ordering of posts. also On December 14 2011 07:12 Lanaia wrote: Vader, can I ask, did you do anything last night? I understand if that is out of line. I just noticed this. It is 'out of line.' | ||
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VEyes, I don't know what to say. I am not trying to defend myself, should I? I am making a case on Annul after defending him for the entire game. Not the other way around. | ||
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You didn't even bother to comment on the time line once I clarified it. Care to do so? | ||
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On December 14 2011 17:04 annul wrote: saying "so you choose to be a vet and target someone" is not claiming vet. i make a direct claim of powers and five hours later you claim the same powers except youre a vet and im a BP. maybe in some extremely twisted sense of logic you "named" vet here, but it certainly is not a claim, since you have "named" powers that we have had in the past by subtle drops like this that we do not actually have. I made it clear the one time I did that. I was trying to test your claim at that time shortly after you first made it. I was 100% transparent on that. Extremely twisted logic? Annul, you are a LIAR. Option 1 on Refallen? You choose to be a vet and target someone? LYNCH. ##vote annul GOD i hate being played. I clearly, CLEARLY, state that the first option is to become a vet. I make it clear that I am voting you at that point because vet isn't an aimable ability. It does takes some insane twisted logic to say that option 1 != 1st listed ability. You are squirming so hard. You are trying to twist every point I am making. For a bit there your case was based on me saying Vet 5 hours after you said bulletproof. Where did that go? Oh its insane logic not to understand what I cleared stated in that post I quoted (in this post). Makes sense coming from the person that says Option 1 = 3rd ability. | ||
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On December 14 2011 17:05 annul wrote: the fact you saw it cool to type "##vote annul" without any other content before i managed to type a multiple paragraph case does not make you the aggressor. i think itll be pretty clear to those who read this debate who is the one failing at proper defense. You are a manipulative one about this whole me vs you thing aren't you? I saw it cool to type that after you stated you used option 1, an unaimable option, on Refallen. Annul, you are a LIAR. Option 1 on Refallen? You choose to be a vet and target someone? LYNCH. ##vote annul GOD i hate being played. | ||
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On December 14 2011 17:07 annul wrote: pinpoint what specifically you want me to comment on Comment on your choice to shoot and claim jack after what had happened with me on day 1. Comment on your choice to say option 1 and then call everyone retarded that says 1 does not equal 3. Please take the time to specifically comment on as to why you choose to say this, if it was indeed not a lie, in the most insanely stupid way so that anyone that was checking their role vs your claimed actions would instantly feel as if you had lied. Comment on to why me saying Vet and then you saying Bulletproof 2 hours and 41 minutes later is not important yet you posting a list that states bulletproof and then me posting a list that says vet 5 hours later is important. Keep in mine that the first of these two events happened first. Comment on how you are turning this into a lynch Vader not me is in fact not a defensive measure when you are leading the vote count in a huge way. | ||
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I also at that time had not noticed that you claimed bp vs vet. I was just solely voting you at that time based on the Option 1 = ability 3 bullshit. When you posted a stupid but understandable (as in, I could follow what you said) explanation I knew that you were going to post garbage like that in reply to every point that would be brought up. Also, you say On December 14 2011 17:11 annul wrote: why not immediately pounce on it, the way i immediately pounced on you when i learned you had vet and not BP? I did? On December 14 2011 13:24 vaderseven wrote: Hum mine is vet for one night. On December 14 2011 13:45 annul wrote: hmm. that is quite interesting. On December 14 2011 13:46 vaderseven wrote: yes it is. On December 14 2011 13:46 vaderseven wrote: ##vote annul Also what lie? Thats the abilities I have in the correct order. I said that on December 14 2011 07:35 and I noticed upon alot of reading your BP over vet thing at December 14 2011 13:24. At that time I realized you had in fact posted a list that did not match my list. This was the nail in the coffin for you in my mind. If I make a mistake and read your list of abilites that is damn near close to mine and see Bulletproof where I expect to see Vet I am sure you can see why I would ignore that. Especially since the issue I was focus'd on at the time was ability 1 being a non targetable ability. --- I actually didn't notice the other ordering issues with your claim until you just pointed that out until I wrote this out. lol. Thanks for pointing that out. | ||
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On December 14 2011 17:18 annul wrote: the case against vader BEGAN as that, but in the last couple hours it has morphed so far beyond that it is absurd. the style of defense he employs is tragic. full of flaws, fallacies, and diversions. he goes off the deep end when i put any form of pressure on him that theres no way in hell hes not red. Where did that happen? I am just here pointing out that you lied and then went nuts and claimed I am scum and then every time I point out the truth and facts of the events you scream louder and louder that I am nuts. | ||
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If you post anymore manipulative statements and half truths about your claims tonight I'll address them tomorrow. gg sir for fooling me this long and gg at this die hard defense. I am a fan of that but it IS easy to see through. | ||
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On December 14 2011 17:27 annul wrote: 3. you said the WORD vet whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooop dee doo for you sir, you also said "cop" a few times too; were you claiming cop? were you "naming your powers" then too? you didnt actually claim; i did, then you echoed my claim much later. also note that regardless of what you want to straw man with SAYING THE WORD vet earlier... i am still the first one to say medic! and mason! but like "WHO SAID IT FIRST" is not really important other than to disprove YOUR framework of the case where you tried to argue that i was not actually a jack. *SIGH* quick fact check- I mentioned cop once as a ability shortly after you claimed. I then asked if you had any issue with things I said and you mentioned that something about our night abilities was wrong. (BTW, why didn't you call me out on that? If you are a town Jack and a claimed Jack claims a power you don't have you just let it slide?) I did this once as a test. Notice how the post where I did that I wasn't making a case on someone and voting them. When I mention vet it is specifically because I am calling you out on a lie and naming the lie. On December 14 2011 17:27 annul wrote:HEY TOWN, READ THIS! thats where the importance of this entire argument line comes from: v7 legitimately put in his case against me that he HONESTLY THOUGHT i was not a jack. I know you aren't the role that I am. I am a Town Jack. the word "anymore" is poorly used here; it implies ive posted any manipulative statements or half truths in the first place, which i havent. but i would love to see you address my important substantive issues, since you havent really done so yet Ok... the word "anymore" is poorly used here; it implies ive posted any manipulative statements or half truths in the first place, which i havent. but i would love to see you address my important substantive issues, since you havent really done so yet Vague statement that has no factual evidence. what a horrible defense you have put up. all game i stand firm to the pressure and survive two full days of onslaught of people saying there cant be two town jacks. the REAL mafia jack gets a couple of posts of pressure by me and completely disintegrates. An effort to flip pressure on you onto me that ignores a large amount of the cases that were made on you. Manipulative. im voting you because your slate of abilities is tailored for mafia whereas mine is tailored for town. that is my rationale Scummy and manipulative. Scum have to find rationale for voting. It is their entire way of playing. Town finds evidence. The tone of this post is one that states Vader has scum abilites (you are saying VET = SCUM). You discussion of BP vs VET is worthless because of this fact. The evidence is weak or not there. The evidence that you 'have brought up' is that BP is more towny than Vet. This is based on a given that I am either lieing or telling the truth and that you are telling the truth. It fails as a logical fallacy as such. Thats why you say rationale. you named vet 5 hours AFTER i named bulletproof. not the other way around. Incorrect and not based on a factual account of things. holy shit you need to solidify your theory of the case it looks like your last post is going back to the whole "im not really a jack" theory. LOLOLOL. You are not the same role as I and I am a town jack. saying "so you choose to be a vet and target someone" is not claiming vet. I made it crystal clear that I was saying that my first ability is to become a Vet. the fact you saw it cool to type "##vote annul" without any other content before i managed to type a multiple paragraph case does not make you the aggressor. i think itll be pretty clear to those who read this debate who is the one failing at proper defense. Telling others how think and saying that my vote was too look cool. Manipulative. pinpoint what specifically you want me to comment on; perhaps i have mistakenly missed something. but given how bad your case has been so far, it certainly was not intentional and i will pounce on any chance i get to disprove something of yours You are the only one to say my case is bad. The other person voting me, VEyes, is voting me for 'squirming and sheeping." My case on you is rock solid and based on facts. This is, again, a manipulative statement designed to influence the reader that reads through this large amount of posts tomorrow. the style of defense he employs is tragic. full of flaws, fallacies, and diversions. he goes off the deep end when i put any form of pressure on him that theres no way in hell hes not red. We get it, you think I am 'crazy' and thereful should be ignored. Well, I say that you are trying to jam that opinion into everyone's mind for consideration as a defensive way to make people dismiss the points I have before they even take them in. That is known as manipulating someone. you said the WORD vet whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooop dee doo for you sir, you also said "cop" a few times too; were you claiming cop? were you "naming your powers" then too? I made it clear at that time what I was doing. I was testing your claim to see if you would go along with whatever ability I named. This is clearly contrasted by me asking if you used an ability last night, me asking which one, and you say option 1 at Refallen. Manipulation. this is obviously bullshit. this is the rationale? lololol Why is that bullshit? You never actually state evidence and just instead tell people how to think about things. Manipulative. AKA "YOU CAUGHT ME, DAMN IT, I HOPE NO ONE NOTICES THAT ANNUL IS RIGHT HERE IF I AM CORDIAL ABOUT IT" It is a very valid scum tech to point out the half truths that are missed by town players. The fact that your claim matches up even less to my claim might have escaped me at first because my focus was on just the first ability but the fact that your claim matches up even less changes absolutely nothing. It just means the reasons for me voting you were actually stronger than I originally realized. | ||
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On December 14 2011 17:39 annul wrote: also, something to note here: v7 keeps harping on the "option 1" thing and tried to characterize my clarifications as "scrambling to save a scumslip" or some such shit. how can i possibly be scumslipping if it is proven -- and v7 even acknowledges -- that i did what i claimed to do? remember: the SUBSTANTIVE claim was that i used medic at refallen. he cannot dispute this. he knows i have medic. he even admits that HIS ordering of abilities is incorrect. there is no issue with me here: it's not like i am not a jack. it's not like i dont have this ability to use. by continuing to harp on it, he is implying something untrue: that i had to lie about what i did. when you are intentionally trying to convey information to one person without it reaching anyone else, sometimes the cryptic texts are misinterpreted. there is no basis in fact or logic that can explain my gameplay and my divining of the jack powers unless i actually had what i said i had. THEREFORE, since we agree on 3/4 of the powers, the sole difference is the self-defense power. nothing else. UHHHH. My abilities are listed in the correct order. I just didn't notice the incorrectness of your list. Substantive claim? WTF? How is is substantive? I know you said you protected someone that wasn't targeted for a night kill. I aksed for this to be clarified and that was what I was told (that unless the doc'd player is target to be killed he won't know about being protected). I don't trust your ability list at all! I know you had a day vig power. Beyond that I have no idea. I know you aren't my role yet are claiming to be my role. Thats all I know. | ||
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If this guy flips scum they need to start issueing bans for doing that in thread. I have never seen gloating like that allowed, I read that as him liking my joke about hitler and vader. Totally though, that looks like a scum claim. | ||
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There is 6 mafia left right now, assuming a worst case and there is 6 voting for San right now that last minute change AND annul is actually town (which a red flip on San would most certainly support), they could bring that to 6 on San and 12 on annul. ##unvote Annul ##vote sandroba That brings us to 11 on San and 5 on annul, worst case vote changing can bring that to 7 on San and 11 on Annul. What is the needed for a lynch? | ||
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On December 15 2011 12:05 bumatlarge wrote: That's not a completely unrealistic situation. Annul could be on the scum team with sandroba. Sandroba does this stunt, buts annul certain immunity, and almost guarentees an eventual mislynch with vader? Highly unlikely, but don't throw your scum analysis of annul into the trash. (nah hes probably town, im just mad that im wrong) Important thing is taking our lynch when we can. THe thing that makes this suck and not true is that would be making it possible for scum to lose in order to allow a maybe win OVER just winning. It makes no logical sense. If San flips red then annul has confirmed himself as well as he can for the time being. | ||
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This is scarey. Its a rock and a hard place now. If we are wrong about annul and he is red then we have to listen to Palmar till the end of times. If we are right then god damn it sorry annul. Fuck. Nervous. | ||
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This fucking sucks. This game is in the hands of scum. If the scum are co-ordianted and at least one of annul/san is town, the scum win. Horse shit. | ||
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If the mafia goes for that this game, they can auto win. There simply is not enough time to react as town because we are dissorganized. I guess its possible, but the real life situation is that the mafia control the lynch as long as 3 town players are still voting for which ever of the two is town. 3+6=9=lynch. | ||
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thats even easier. FUCK YOU GUYS. /end gg mafia wp I guess (i posted that in vote thread by accident, mods, if you want i can edit it out) | ||
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Now, apologize for day 1. | ||
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On December 15 2011 13:04 bumatlarge wrote: I no longer have an inkling of a clue as to what is going on. Check the vote thread and notice the mass vote change at the last second that leads to a no lynch. Mafia just won. I cant believe i found this thread in shambles with votes in an obv state of mafia gets to choose when I got here. I changed to San just because if he was red at least we had a chance to win if we moved enough votes. With annul wagon, collapsing, again, the mafia had full control of the lynch. Let this be a lesson for town players: Changing votes this late in the day gives control to the mafia. When and if every town vote is on one player then the town controls the lynch. Only then. When we split the votes near deadline the only option is to try to go with the new wagon and hope it is right. Majority is pro town. Close vote races are pro mafia. | ||
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6 mafia = 3 kills. 16-3=13. Mafia you guys are fucking dumb. game. isnt. over!? | ||
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Ok math... now. 10 town vs 6 mafia. day. 07 town vs 6 mafia. lynch one. 07 town vs 5 mafia. night kills. 05 town vs 5 mafia. or 04town vs 5 mafia. I think we cant win without saves. Our medic claimed. Lets assume one awesome save tongiht. now. 10 town vs 6 mafia. day. 08 town vs 6 mafia. lynch. 08 town vs 5 mafia. night kills. 06 town vs 5 mafia. lynch. 06 town vs 4 mafia. day. 4v4 gg. I dont think we can win unless we have two medics that can save every night. Ever additional one shot prolongs us a day assuming perfect play. | ||
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On December 15 2011 13:18 annul wrote: also, my powers arent exactly what i told you they were. =P no shit lol option 1 my ass. I knew it the moment you said that. | ||
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On December 15 2011 13:22 annul wrote: we have ways of knowing what your powers are And yet you made your list wrong.  | ||
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Sorry town. | ||
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On December 15 2011 13:24 annul wrote: and yet you think this wasnt our plan all along If you went into the day trying to bait me into re-niging on supporting you and then have a fellow scum claim in thread right before deadline in order to get a no lynch then I must say gg wp. | ||
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I wonder if town can get their stuff in the next hour. | ||
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On December 15 2011 13:27 annul wrote: i went into the day with the plan of engaging somebody in a protracted debate that prevented town from getting reads or analysis done on anybody else. we knew we needed only 2 town to vote with us in the end and i thought at least 2 people would be willing to switch onto you. when we noticed this was unlikely, and that town would rather see a lynch of any type rather than nolynch (which is game over), we concocted this plan. My hat is off. Good lylo play. | ||
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This is the one thing i just cant figure out with what is known so far. I think you MUST have. | ||
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* - Note that normal mod kills for PMing players that you have no permission to PM concerning the game still apply. | ||
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I was helping you fuckers all along anyways. | ||
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Ok... now do that hail marry 100% correct town. | ||
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On December 15 2011 13:39 Mattchew wrote: im not scum v7 lol i know, im just playin | ||
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On December 15 2011 13:40 annul wrote: BS Prove it. | ||
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On December 15 2011 13:42 annul wrote: we know all roles that exist in the game right now. as i said, the math is astronomical... but still possible. What do you know? I would like to know now lol. | ||
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On December 15 2011 13:44 sandroba wrote: Bum has to rb someone then we are golden. Is he online? | ||
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Now, annul, you were about to tell us, well um, everything... | ||
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flawless victory my pale white ass bitch! | ||
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I was roleblocked. :D | ||
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On December 15 2011 13:54 Refallen wrote: So was I... they have 2! BLAH | ||
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On December 15 2011 13:55 sandroba wrote: k townies we have no clue what the fuck happened lol I KNO RIGHT. *HUGE GRIN* | ||
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Get rid of him first, he isnt just a a normal goon. | ||
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On December 15 2011 13:57 xsksc wrote: Oh yeah, Annul's mafia vig or some shit. Who's most likely to flip rb? I am pretty dang sure that he is a JOAT for the mafia. I think he can mason people, day vig, and 2 other things. KEY POST- On December 15 2011 13:18 annul wrote: also, my powers arent exactly what i told you they were. =P | ||
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On December 15 2011 13:18 annul wrote: also, my powers arent exactly what i told you they were. =P Notice the underlined word that ends in an S. Kill annul, hes the for sure non vanilla goon. | ||
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There is still one amoung us that is of the scum align that hasnt been outed. | ||
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On December 15 2011 14:01 xsksc wrote: it's possible they could have a RB and a scum dayvig or jack or whatever the fuck he is. I know thats possible. He might also have some type of ability that can trully fuck us. We will be guessing if we choose amoung the others. We know he has powers. Kill him first. Its the safe/conservative move. | ||
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##unvote annul For now the heathen can live. I shall go to bed now. We can discuss the matter at length tomorrow. | ||
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Well WELL well. I shall see thee in hell annul, gg. | ||
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On December 15 2011 14:09 annul wrote: its not me. im dead. they need to post my death already. YOU WILL BE DEAD WHEN I SAY YOUR DEAD! TELL ME WHAT YOU FUCKING KNOW! ![[image loading]](http://www.wearechange.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/jack_bauer_torture.jpg) | ||
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Come on baby, give me those lucky 7s! | ||
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On December 15 2011 14:13 annul wrote: REMEMBER THAT POST VADERSEVEN. WHICH POST? TELL ME WHICH POST YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! WHAT DO YOU KNOW? Hes... dead. FUCK. | ||
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On December 15 2011 14:19 annul wrote: mafia team has submitted our actions. You're dead, you can help you team any more correct (by that I mean oot as well)? | ||
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On December 15 2011 14:24 kingjames01 wrote: You don't have 6 night powers... annul is dead. You caught him in a lie. GENTLEMAN. WE HAVE FOUND ONE OF THE SCUMS. IT IS... Toadesstern. | ||
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On December 15 2011 14:30 Toadesstern wrote: btw I still think this shit is imbalanced We got 4 mislynched in a row, we even got townies dayvigging each other, we even got mafias protecting each other day1 from town dayvigs. And STILL it's close as it can get. I am inclined to agree but that is based on hugely incomplete information. I enjoy the math behind balancing mafia games as well as the theory and we can discuss that over coffee later...when you are all dead. | ||
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On December 15 2011 14:23 Toadesstern wrote: he can't do a thing but we agreed with wbg and incog that he does one big pm with our kills + 6 night powers instead of 6 pms. He just keeps pm'ing WOW. 6 night powers. | ||
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We litterally got the most worthless of them it looks like. If the mafai has been smart, the one not revealed to us is the roleblocker. | ||
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Tomorrow we face a major choice. Go for the roleblocker or lynch a confirmed. Sadly we lose if we misslynch OR get a roleblocked medic (and the medic must hit correct in he first place). At least annul died. | ||
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I feel like a gambler that has hit a sick streak but could lose it all. | ||
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<3 (thats a joke to be clear) | ||
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^5 fellow dumbass | ||
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Finally. | ||
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On December 17 2011 07:14 kingjames01 wrote: Nice! I hope it's as good as it sounds. =) LoL its not like I havent posted my ability list in this thread. =) | ||
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ya thats a single role | ||
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Over NINE ThOuSaNd!!!!!!!! | ||
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IM NOT MOCKING. | ||
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I will vote for hyshes, hyshes vote for jakal, jakal vote for drez, and drez vote for me. Anyone that does different is asking for a scum win. ##vote hyshes | ||
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Fucking noob play by me day 2. | ||
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On December 19 2011 07:36 Jackal58 wrote: A bit of advice for the hosts. If you are running a game that has had the time constraints removed from it don't post the day post seconds after mafia sends in their night actions. When Incog did that I knew that town had no night actions remaining. All I had to do was hope for a vote on somebody that wasn't me at that point. It wasn't really fair to town. You should have waited an hour or two before posting. At least call for night actions. You outed town. Ya I noticed that the fast night prolly ment that a smart mafai would know that means I had no action. | ||
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I tried to recover a bit of use out of my role via wifoming a few RBs at myself. That at least worked. I made blunderous errors on day regaurding annul thay I personally believe amount to the single most significant mistake of a town player this game. I wont justify that beyond I accidentally was operating on assumed things that were clearly not reasonable in any way to assume. My bad. I think that raw 6 to 19 numbers of the start played into he mafai being able to risk as many members as it did and still have a viable smart path to victory. In my opinion this didnt come into play due to that they coulda risked one less member and still won but talking balance this high number of riskable players at that point in time offsets the roles given to the game. I am way too lazy to look at it from a math % chance to win given logical ways it can play out but my mind thinks that number of starting players is as big a deal as the number of blues. I will be sitting a game or two out as I am moving soon irl and will activily follow whatevwr games occue durinf that with a full obs mode mindset. gg wp jackal/scum | ||
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I agree that my play was too role focused. It is actually an insightful statement for not because the concept is new but because my play usually lacks as a blue were it is generally good as green or red. Look at my playstyle as scum in the 80 person game that was before this and you will see a playstyle 100% focused on behavior with a bit of helpfullness thrown in. I have no fear or shame about playing again, I have gotten past that with gaming over a decade ago. So I lost and it was vecause I persinally played poorly. Great! Just means I have a clear path to mentally take to improve. I very much look forward to playing this game much better on my next run here on TL. | ||
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On December 19 2011 19:35 Palmar wrote: I've never understood this, there is exactly no difference in playing as blue or green, it's 100% exactly the same. Anyone who disagrees is dumb. I agree. I am sure this has been touched on but can I get a clear bit of insight on the one item that has botherrd me: Annul was called scum by many for his claim of being med protected. To me, there is not really a clear logic connection here as it assumes that there wasnt a simple bad med call protecting him. | ||
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On December 20 2011 01:17 Mattchew wrote: I don't like how there is no longer a filter button. Yes there is? | ||
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On December 22 2011 04:55 Radfield wrote: Big thanks to Incognito and Wherebugsgo for hosting this. For my part at least, this was an extremely well run game, and I had a blast. Thanks guys. Yes, tyty! | ||
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