TL Mafia XLVIII - Page 173

Grade: 80/100, B

You played well, the best out of all the townies. Thus, you made a good n1 shot for scum. They knew you were a threat. The other players failed to realize that you had good ideas on day 1, and they additionally failed to realize that only you would've shot annul, and so your death was very bad for town.

However, I chose to grade you at 80 instead of a higher grade because I think your play day 1 was too lazy, and that you telegraphed your hit on annul too much. There was no way you would have known that scum had a medic, so the telegraphing of the hit isn't a big deal, but the laziness on day 1 meant that you didn't play to your full potential. Town could have used your effort in the minimal amount of time you were alive. The Hier lynch wasn't a huge issue, as he was playing somewhat badly, but I think if you had put in more effort you might have seen that it was probably a bad lynch.

Grade: 80/100, B

You had an excellent start by almost immediately suspecting Jackal. I had the impression that you fell off a bit after the events of day 1 and night 1, however, perhaps due to real life obligations you had, or perhaps something else. It didn't look very game-related to me, as it was uncharacteristic of you. You were unable to convince town on day 2, but I think you shouldn't have given up. You should have fought for that lynch as hard as you could have, despite how demoralizing it was to see the rest of town basically flop. This should have been especially true in the night following the lynch, since you knew you'd be a very high priority target. With only 24 hours remaining, you should have hammered in the idea that annul HAD to be lynched.

Otherwise, relatively decent play. Not your best, and I'm sure you'll agree, but the odds were stacked against you.

Grade: 60/100, D

You know as well as anyone that this was not a very good game for you. You turned it around drastically after the mess of day 1, but unfortunately it was too late.

I know that you are the type of player to take big risks in trying to catch scum. It's just not worth it, especially because you look like an idiot if you fail and you lose all credibility for the rest of the game. Even if you succeed, there are still ways you can get shafted, but that's not even important because the number of ways you can fail a gambit far exceeds the possible successes.

Perhaps you didn't think through the consequences of fake claiming dayvig day 1 in a closed-setup game. Perhaps you didn't fully consider alternate options to figuring out vaderseven's alignment. Perhaps you thought that townies would recognize that there wasn't necessarily any alignment-relevant information in the claim you made. Whatever it was, the decision you made day 1 was poor. You were part of the reason a townie died to the vig shot and part of the reason for the very unproductive day 1. You made a valiant effort at redeeming yourself, but the mistake was too big and town refused to listen to you because of it. I cannot fault you entirely for the lack of cohesion among the majority of townies, since some of those who performed toward the better half actually recognized that you were town and that you were right, but in this game, unlike Steamship, you made a destructive impact on town day 1.

Grade: 60/100, D

Plusses: you were the first to correctly and publicly identify annul as scum and Toad as his medic. This is why I put you up there as one of the best new players.

Other than that, though, you didn't do anything. You were never a threat to scum because you had no influence. You were not particularly active nor articulate, and so, despite having a good read, you afforded town no benefit beyond your single vote.

You should definitely post more and attempt to influence town more in future games. This game is about persuasion AND accuracy, not one or the other. Since you weren't vocal at all, I cannot tell if it was a fluke that you caught two scum who played relatively badly while no one else really saw the connection.

Keep up the good reads. If you need confidence, build it by actively pushing your opinions. Support what you think is beneficial for town and crush whatever you think is not.

It's nice to see you improving.

Grade: 60/100, D]

You had some of the same problems a lot of other new players had. You weren't particularly active in the thread, and you sheeped bad lynches. However, for playing your role fairly decently, I think you deserve some recognition. Your protect of Palmar was very good. However, your night 1 protect wasn't so great.

Yes, Drazerk claimed something, that, if it were real, would possibly warrant protection. However, the lesson to be learned here is that you never base an action solely on someone's role, because their role is far less important than their alignment. You always base your protection on behavior first and role second. Your initial night 1 protect was prplhz. This is not a good protect either, but it was probably motivated by behavioral concerns, which is better than role-based concerns. You didn't have much time to consider the claim, but let's think about this from a behavioral perspective now:

Drazerk claimed role-block immune medic that has to claim n1. As someone mentioned (I believe it was Palmar), Drazerk offered no name for his role. The claim itself didn't make sense, and it seemingly had no prior motivation. In what way was it believable? Did Drazerk act pro-town prior to this roleclaim? Would scum believe it? Most importantly, does the timing make sense?

You have to consider all of these things. In this situation, the simple ridiculousness of the claim should suggest to you that Drazerk wants to get shot, and thus is probably a veteran or trolling. Neither of these warrant a protection. If you think the claim isn't ridiculous, it still doesn't make sense because the timing is atrocious. If Drazerk were forced to claim n1 why wouldn't he claim 1 minute before the deadline, so as to avoid getting shot? In this case, he wasn't a medic nor a veteran, he just wanted to martyr himself, and thought it out very poorly. Yes, 80% of this is Drazerk's own fail, but part of the responsibility is on you because you are the agent of the medic protection action.

Night 1 the protection you should've made should have been one on syllogism or Radfield. A syllogism protect would have resulted in success.

I also didn't particularly agree with your roleclaim on day 3 (or whenever it was). This is one thing Mattchew had on you; he remained hidden longer because he did not claim his role despite calls for a mass roleclaim. Remember that, as a medic, you can easily be shot and you cannot rely on there being another medic to save you. Indeed, you can be roleblocked as well, which means that either you or your target will die, and if you get roleblocked you BOTH can die.

Confirmed townies are cool, but if there is no danger of the person you protected being lynched then there's no reason to claim. You only claim in order to save yourself or your target (who you strongly suspect of being town) from lynch.

Beyond that, you played your role decently and I have high hopes that you enjoyed this game of mafia and will continue to improve and play more.

Grade: 60/100, D

Parity cop is a hard role to play. You played okay, though. Failure on your part, along with the rest of town, in actually pushing the lynch of annul to completion, made you look bad. You let a no-lynch on day 2 happen and were the 6th vote on redFF on day 3.

I think your checks could have been a bit better, too. Remember that a parity cop is most useful if you get a “different” check. The easiest way to do this, IMO, is to check the towniest person you can think of n1. If they die, you have a confirmed town check on n1 and you will function like a regular cop from n2 onward. Thus, your target should have been the same as if you were a medic on n1. Syllo or Radfield would have been excellent choices.

On n2 is when you look for the scum and try to check one. After the events of day 2, though, N2 should have been either an annul check or one of the relatively inactive players. A redFF check would've worked too so that a lynch on him the next day could be diverted if he was town or confirmed if he was scum.

Finally, I disagreed with your claim. It wasn't necessary, because neither of the people you picked were in danger of being lynched and you basically called on yourself to be roleblocked/shot.

Overall, as this was (I think, correct me if I'm wrong) your first game as town, you did okay. Hopefully you learned some good things and enjoyed what you could. Hope to see you play more!

Grade: 35/100, F

You've been improving, but this game was a bit of a regression, IMO. You were correct day 2 that annul was mafia (after initially being wrong for quite a bit of time) but you were unable to convince people of that. I attribute a lot of this to your inordinate focus on Radfield. You focused a lot of your attention on Radfield and never actually made a case on annul. If you push Radfield and you think annul is certainly scum but don't post any explanation as to why he is, no one is going to listen to you, and you end up being another sheep.

Your read on Palmar was good but almost everything else was bad. Why push Radfield? What about Radfield's behavior was scum-motivated? It seemed that your entire case on him was “I feel something is wrong about Radfield.” That's not a reason for someone to be scum. That just means you have some subjective reason about Radfield's play being weird, which could be an indication of anything from his dog dying to an impairment of your judgment due to having a sinus infection.

Less hunch, more logic, and you'll do better and probably look less like scum. Annul wouldn't have been able to shoot you if there wasn't a (bad) case on you to begin with.

Grade: 5/100, F

dude....what were you doing all game? Make sure you read the thread.

I really didn't understand the consecutive redFF protects. Jailkeeper functions like a medic; you should protect those who think will get shot. The n2 shots were super obvious and had you protected one of Radfield/Palmar there was a possibility that they would have been completely nullified.

Town couldn't believe there was a town jailkeeper because your roleblocks made no sense. Granted, they should've figured out that redFF wouldn't get blocked by scum either, but as the jailkeeper you need to ensure that you get proper protects off. That's your number 1 priority in terms of night actions.

Forgetting about night actions for a bit, you appeared very scummy in thread and didn't do much of anything to hunt scum. You should forget that you are blue, since that's not as important as finding scum. If all the townies try to find scum, the scum can't effectively blue hunt because there is less difference between the town players. In addition, it makes their job during the day that much harder.

Try to think about behavior and perspective when attacking players in thread. Whose side does your target help more with his/her actions? Answering this question will lead you to what you want to find.

Most importantly though, read the thread.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

Grade: 0/100, F

I forgot you were playing.

You did nothing to help your side and were even a target of a mislynch.

You should try to be more active, since without activity I can't actually suggest anything to you. I can't address the aspects of your play if you actually aren't playing to begin with. Start with reading the thread and posting more.

Grade: 1/100, F

Your reads were phenomenally bad. You had no assertiveness nor confidence, and at no point were you ever a threat to scum, but rather a liability for town.

I think at one point you were right about Palmar being town, and for that I gave you a point. Otherwise, I don't think you did anything.

What's most important is that you analyze behavior, as I have said to others in this post already. Why would annul ever pass his shot off to someone else? Why wouldn't he just shoot who he thought was scum, and take responsibility for it?
Your complacency, along with the complacency and incompetence of the rest of the townies who played like you, cost town the game. Keep this in mind for future games. Don't get discouraged, but don't be so complacent and ignorant of what's going on either. Build cases so that other people can see your logic, and make sure you read read read read read the thread.

Grade: 0/100, F

You pushed Palmar day 1 and then called your own bandwagon bad.

I'm pretty sure every read you ever had in this game was wrong.

Your entire filter was garbage one liner posts that were a pain in the ass to read or deal with.

I received a PM from someone who asked me to modkill you due to excessive spam and distraction.

When pushed as an easy lynch because of your terrible play, you proceeded to post additional one liners in all caps, followed by doing nothing and then dying.

You should read the thread, consolidate your posts, and actually use logic and reason in identifying scum through analysis, rather than defecating on the thread repeatedly because people don't listen to you. Generally, people don't listen to you when you're consistently wrong and bad. Start improving by reading the thread more carefully.

Grade: 10/100, F

There isn't much to say here, neither of you did much, and this grade perhaps is artificially low because Erandorr was sick. Bum, you did okay for replacing someone who more or less did nothing the entire game. However, the game was already lost by that point, and I think you knew that.

I really don't have anything much to say here, neither of you was particularly influential on town affairs, but I don't think I can necessarily fault you for that.

Grade: 5/100, F

What were you doing all game? At no point did I see a post from you that made it apparent that you were making sense.

Make sure you read the thread and think about alignment motivations when you accuse people of being scum. If you haven't done those two things, you're almost guaranteed to be making wrong calls.

Grade: 0/100, F

Dude...dude...dude...I don't really know what to say. I'll keep this as short as possible, since I know you already know most of everything I'm about to tell you.

Your shot day 1 wasn't super terrible. But it wasn't good either, it wasn't even mediocre. It was bad.

It seemed as if you only shot day 1 just to prove to Palmar and everyone else that you actually were a dayvig. Who cares? That's a terrible reason to shoot. You buckled under pressure exactly like scum would, which made it extremely hard for other townies to get a read on you. This, followed by your atrocious day 2 and day 3 play due to your faulty premise that same role = same alignment resulted in more townie deaths.

In addition to being wrong, you were vocal about things you believed with very faulty reasoning. I can say from experience that this is by far the worst thing you can do as a townie. You should have analyzed annul based on BEHAVIOR and behavior ALONE, and not on his role. His role had nothing to do with his alignment, as has been proven by his flip that was 99% identical to yours.

Keep this in mind for next time, and play the actual game of behavioral analysis, instead of relying on roles. Roles are next to useless if you can't actually find the scum to begin with.

Grade: 0/100, F

No idea what you were doing. Your votes were always last in the day and they were always on townies. Even if you were right, you had no chance of lynching who you voted for because every single time you voted near the end of the day on someone that had next to no discussion.

Next time you should participate in town discussion and actually focus on the candidates brought up for lynch. Choosing to vote random people you've been tunneling all game (with no one agreeing with you) is essentially an exercise in the abstention of your vote.

Grade: N/A

You didn't really do much since you died n1. Your death had very little impact on town but you made a good kill for scum because you were making sense.

Nothing really much to comment here, since your time was so short.

Grade: 0/100, F

I don't really know what to say, man. You say you fake claimed because you made a blunder day 1, but that doesn't make any sense. How does making a blunder entice you into making an even bigger blunder to try and fix it?

I don't even know what you messed up day 1 that urged you to try and “fix” it. The claim was so poorly thought out that everyone knew you were crazy. It was so incredibly anti-town that the only reason you didn't get lynched was because annul screwed up and claimed the hit and then proceeded to derp around for a while afterward by shooting prplhz on Toad's orders.

You enticed a new medic to protect you instead of protecting a far more valuable target like syllo. You ruined hours of discussion and helped annul achieve a no-lynch. You even had terrible reads to top it all off, saying annul had to be town with repeated assertions of your opinions without evidence.

Not once were you right, nor did it seem like you had the intention of helping town. Emo trolling is not helpful, it never has, and never will be.

If you are burned out from mafia, definitely take a break. However, in the future, don't gambit so hard when all you have to do is read the thread and post in a way that is coherent and understandable.

So many townies don't do that, it's mind boggling. Chaos helps scum. Fake claiming creates chaos. When you get caught lying, which is inevitable when your claim is “roleblock immune medic that has to claim night one,” you screw yourself and town in one fell swoop.

You're experienced, far more experienced than a lot of the players in this game. But you played like it was your first game ever, with a bunch of meta trolling that was just a slap to the face of many of the townies. Come on, you know better.

Grade: 0/100, F

Long story short, you got shot because you played badly.

Vaderseven should've never taken the shot, and you got a free pass out of a trainwreck of a game. However, had your play been decent on day 1 I don't think you would've been shot.

Hopefully you read the game and saw what not to do, ever. This game was a good learning tool, if a little bit of an embarrassment for the level of play involved. I hope you can join more games in the future and get some experience.

Grade: 0/100, F

Same boat as Soap, man. I know this was only your second game so far, but in both games you've played you rolled town and you looked like scum. You should work on the way you phrase things, you should read the thread more carefully, and you should more carefully think about the logic you use. In general, if people don't make sense in a game of mafia, they will die very early. Day 1 lynches are often hit-or-miss because there isn't enough information to go on a lot of the time, or the information cannot be processed fast enough for town to use it. In these types of situations the players who die most often are the weakest townies.

What is a “weak townie?” Well, it's a townie that tends to play at such a level that he looks like the average scum. On the surface, you made a good lynch because you weren't making sense. The other players can't divine your alignment; you need to prove your alignment to them. You do this through clear reasoning and effective argumentation and scumhunting. If you can't do that, but instead end up looking like scum, you die.