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On December 19 2011 19:35 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 19:33 vaderseven wrote:
I agree that my play was too role focused. It is actually an insightful statement for not because the concept is new but because my play usually lacks as a blue were it is generally good as green or red.
I've never understood this, there is exactly no difference in playing as blue or green, it's 100% exactly the same. Anyone who disagrees is dumb.
I agree.
I am sure this has been touched on but can I get a clear bit of insight on the one item that has botherrd me:
Annul was called scum by many for his claim of being med protected. To me, there is not really a clear logic connection here as it assumes that there wasnt a simple bad med call protecting him.
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On December 19 2011 20:12 vaderseven wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 19:35 Palmar wrote:On December 19 2011 19:33 vaderseven wrote:
I agree that my play was too role focused. It is actually an insightful statement for not because the concept is new but because my play usually lacks as a blue were it is generally good as green or red.
I've never understood this, there is exactly no difference in playing as blue or green, it's 100% exactly the same. Anyone who disagrees is dumb. I agree. I am sure this has been touched on but can I get a clear bit of insight on the one item that has botherrd me: Annul was called scum by many for his claim of being med protected. To me, there is not really a clear logic connection here as it assumes that there wasnt a simple bad med call protecting him.
That alone didn't make him scum.
My entire case was why he was scum, I still think it's the most clear case I have ever written in mafia.
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On December 19 2011 20:12 vaderseven wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 19:35 Palmar wrote:On December 19 2011 19:33 vaderseven wrote:
I agree that my play was too role focused. It is actually an insightful statement for not because the concept is new but because my play usually lacks as a blue were it is generally good as green or red.
I've never understood this, there is exactly no difference in playing as blue or green, it's 100% exactly the same. Anyone who disagrees is dumb. I agree. I am sure this has been touched on but can I get a clear bit of insight on the one item that has botherrd me: Annul was called scum by many for his claim of being med protected. To me, there is not really a clear logic connection here as it assumes that there wasnt a simple bad med call protecting him.
Uh just like with everything else in mafia, one scenario is more likely than the other.
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On December 19 2011 20:12 vaderseven wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 19:35 Palmar wrote:On December 19 2011 19:33 vaderseven wrote:
I agree that my play was too role focused. It is actually an insightful statement for not because the concept is new but because my play usually lacks as a blue were it is generally good as green or red.
I've never understood this, there is exactly no difference in playing as blue or green, it's 100% exactly the same. Anyone who disagrees is dumb. I agree. I am sure this has been touched on but can I get a clear bit of insight on the one item that has botherrd me: Annul was called scum by many for his claim of being med protected. To me, there is not really a clear logic connection here as it assumes that there wasnt a simple bad med call protecting him.
There were a lot of other reasons he could've been scum.
However, he was CERTAINLY scum after only one person died n2.
Think about it this way; would you have protected annul n1 as a medic? Do you think scum would have shot annul over other players such as Radfield, or Zephirdd, or Palmar, or you?
Now combine these three things:
syllo found annul to be scummy before dying.
syllo flips vig.
annul claims a hit, in conjunction with the hit actually not making sense from a town perspective.
Okay, fine, annul lives day 2.
On n2, only one person dies, giving much more credence to the 2 KP theory. Only one person claims a hit.
Why was annul not automatically lynched day 3 for that alone?
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That makes sense wbg. Especially the part a out day 3 / night 2. My attention to detail was beyond shitty this game.
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The day two case, IMO, was strengthened immensely by annul passing his shot off to the person who was "most townie."
The fact that Toad wasn't willing to pick his own scumread was even more damning of both of them. Neither player ultimately "chose" the target; Toad used Radfield's read on prpl to try and absolve himself of responsibility.
People don't do that as town. If you were in Toad's position, would you have picked annul's target? If yes, would you have picked annul's target by choosing someone else's scumread over your own?
If you were in annul's position as town, would you have passed your shot off? (clearly no, as you didn't pass it off day 1)
Annul essentially claimed scum by not choosing who to shoot.
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That was a move I ignored for horrible reasons that palmar nailed already.
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Yeah I still don't know how that move worked. Annul thought it might work while the rest of us thought that it's probably not going to work and we risked it because we're going to shoot a townie in both scenarios while the one with me picking has the less scary townie involved but therefor involves a chance of saving annuls butt :p
The most important thing I got from this game is, if you think something is not going to work you probably should not do it as mafia :p
I think I had a good chance getting in late game if I had not gotten myself involved in all that annul shit. And yes what wbg said really was the one thing I was worried about. I was dodging to pick targets several times while townie-Toad would be way more agressive and would be fosing people without being scared of getting attention. However I felt I got a decend chance in looking like a nooby townie who puts in some effort and it actually worked. If rad would have seen one of my townie games he probably never would have thought I'm a townie I guess but since he did not he thought I'm a new guy that's putting some effort in this game and got no defined reads because I'm new.
Also since most people who are mafia for the first time are lurking quite a bit I tried to be vocal. Sure vocal like a nooby would be to roll with my image but that probably got rad thinking I'm not a mafia as well because my mafia buddies probably would have told me to not be vocal in my first game as mafia.
To sum it up: The reason people thought I was townie was because I looked like a nooby without actually giving the sry-I'm-noob-excuse because noone likes that. Yeah what wbg and incog pointed out about me would have been an insta-lynch if it happened to more experienced players (and palmar already pm'ed me that he IS going to lynch me the next time that happens) but half the town did the same (lanaia for example quoted that one answer I was giving to rad wbg quoted and said exactly the same) so it really looked like a normal new townie that still does a couple of mistakes imo.
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yes, I always assume people are terrible.
I've found through experience that if I don't assume people are terrible, I end up lynching a fuckton of townies.
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On December 19 2011 20:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
The day two case, IMO, was strengthened immensely by annul passing his shot off to the person who was "most townie."
The fact that Toad wasn't willing to pick his own scumread was even more damning of both of them. Neither player ultimately "chose" the target; Toad used Radfield's read on prpl to try and absolve himself of responsibility.
People don't do that as town. If you were in Toad's position, would you have picked annul's target? If yes, would you have picked annul's target by choosing someone else's scumread over your own?
If you were in annul's position as town, would you have passed your shot off? (clearly no, as you didn't pass it off day 1)
Annul essentially claimed scum by not choosing who to shoot.
I would have shot Palmar in the face as scum or town. Just because. 
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Also, I think it does bear pointing out that many people in my situation day 1 would have shot you palmar. I think your play was brilliant day 2 on but day 1 I trully think your decision making was not of the best calibur. Especially choosing to focus on a player like myself who has played enough mafai to be agreesive/assertive but uas not played on TL enough to know the meta of the various players.
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On December 19 2011 19:32 syllogism wrote:This was the highlight of the game for me Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 01:04 prplhz wrote:On December 08 2011 00:54 sandroba wrote:
Pretty damn obvious that syllo shot annul and no retard in his right mind would protect him night1. VOTE ANNUL RIGHT NOW IF YOU VOTE ANYONE ELSE YOU MAFIA. Holy fuck. ##Vote annul Sandroba does his compulsory bussing post with as little effort as possible and immediately convinces a townie e: well actually there was a funnier post but I don't want to be mean
Hah well I was actually convinced by Palmar but I thought this post was funnily out of character for sandroba so I quoted that for the lolz It should probably have made me suspicious of sandroba instead.
Also, thanks for the amazing analysis Incognito and wherebugsgo.
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On December 20 2011 00:20 vaderseven wrote:
Also, I think it does bear pointing out that many people in my situation day 1 would have shot you palmar. I think your play was brilliant day 2 on but day 1 I trully think your decision making was not of the best calibur. Especially choosing to focus on a player like myself who has played enough mafai to be agreesive/assertive but uas not played on TL enough to know the meta of the various players.
I used my 4k post to give jackal a heart. That's pretty nice of me.
I'm not really sure what you mean, my decision making is completely irrelevant. The correct response from you would've been simply not to shoot. You can't allow yourself to be influenced by other players.
You should've just said "my notes are at home, I'll post them when I'm off from work"
But instead you went "OH NO I HAVE TO ROLECLAIM" and in addition you just shot someone for no reason whatsoever.
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On December 20 2011 00:21 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 19:32 syllogism wrote:This was the highlight of the game for me On December 08 2011 01:04 prplhz wrote:On December 08 2011 00:54 sandroba wrote:
Pretty damn obvious that syllo shot annul and no retard in his right mind would protect him night1. VOTE ANNUL RIGHT NOW IF YOU VOTE ANYONE ELSE YOU MAFIA. Holy fuck. ##Vote annul Sandroba does his compulsory bussing post with as little effort as possible and immediately convinces a townie e: well actually there was a funnier post but I don't want to be mean Hah well I was actually convinced by Palmar but I thought this post was funnily out of character for sandroba so I quoted that for the lolz It should probably have made me suspicious of sandroba instead. Also, thanks for the amazing analysis wherebugsgo.
that's exactly how I took prplhz's post, I assumed he agreed with me, and decided to sarcastically jump on sandroba's wagon.
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On December 20 2011 00:23 Palmar wrote:
I used my 4k post to give jackal a heart. That's pretty nice of me.
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I played a really shitty game as jailkeeper.
I actually had a solid amount of scum on my list from day 1 (jackal, viscera, and sand) I got distracted by last games palmar vs ace battle in which both were town and just causing distraction. Redff I thought was town on day1 and then started suspicions day 2 into thinking he was scum day 3. It was basically my own tunnel vision that did me in on red.
Need to learn how to scumhunt better and come up with better cases.
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On December 20 2011 00:24 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 00:21 prplhz wrote:On December 19 2011 19:32 syllogism wrote:This was the highlight of the game for me On December 08 2011 01:04 prplhz wrote:On December 08 2011 00:54 sandroba wrote:
Pretty damn obvious that syllo shot annul and no retard in his right mind would protect him night1. VOTE ANNUL RIGHT NOW IF YOU VOTE ANYONE ELSE YOU MAFIA. Holy fuck. ##Vote annul Sandroba does his compulsory bussing post with as little effort as possible and immediately convinces a townie e: well actually there was a funnier post but I don't want to be mean Hah well I was actually convinced by Palmar but I thought this post was funnily out of character for sandroba so I quoted that for the lolz It should probably have made me suspicious of sandroba instead. Also, thanks for the amazing analysis wherebugsgo. that's exactly how I took prplhz's post, I assumed he agreed with me, and decided to sarcastically jump on sandroba's wagon.
another funny sidenote: When you claimed dayvig and v7 claimed dayvig as well annul claimed dayvig as well but noone even mentioned it 
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I don't like how there is no longer a filter button.
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