EPTHe is a lair, he is purposefully unhelpful, and he is scum.
His play during the night was a calculated move to transition to a non troll state to avoid a policy lynch situation today.
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vaderseven
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He is a lair, he is purposefully unhelpful, and he is scum. His play during the night was a calculated move to transition to a non troll state to avoid a policy lynch situation today. | ||
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The bottom line is that, gasp, every single night the scum will attempt to hit, you guessed it, town. Seeing as they know who the scum are its really not hard for them to choose a correct target. Any other speculation on thier choices is wifon to the largest degree. | ||
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vaderseven
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Again, toad, you are trying to look to closely at the night kills. Scum killed some town players. End of (useful) story. | ||
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vaderseven
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What do you have to say about the timing of your FAKE CLAIM yesterday? You were being opertunistic in asking for the notes of a player that had a wagon formed. Had my notes made people sour you would have been able to let every one continue to jump on me and if they checked out no skin off of your back. I am accusing you of attempting to create additional evidence on me because you saw a chance to lynch someone that had an iffy case at the time. People said my corrupt vote was a bandwagon and you wanted to see if tou could expand that case. ##vote palmar | ||
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Palmar's stlye is very easy to play defensivily as he can always say I was wrong about that one thing I was focused on. By changing his approach to how he does his single minded focus he is able to say 'I am not doing ___ anymore.' Palmar has nothing to lose by pressuring very specific issues in an extremely hard fashion and it trully serves to help focus the entire town in on very useless pieces of info. Annul was shot and protected DOESN'T confirm a dang thing about anything. Me saying that my notes are sloppy, incomplete, and not really formatted to be read by everyone in thread says nothing about my alignment. Yet these are the things he is focusing every player onto. When he isn't stating his focus he is asking every player to talk about what he is focused on rather than anything else. He is very willing to point out the logical holes or incoorect meta/setup theory when it isn't about what he is focused on. He is narrowing our focus onto wifom'able and inconclusive items and poking holes into everything else. The only time he deviates from that is to lie, troll, defend himself, and call every point that isn't his dumb. He is scum. | ||
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On December 08 2011 03:22 Mattchew wrote: vader cant you just dayvig again and shoot palmar? No, once I have used an ability I can't use it again. Toad I really am not emotional. I started that post as a look at annul cuz he is the vote leader and it just led to the fact that the case on him by palmar is a distraction and nothing more. | ||
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vaderseven
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Uh, I don't know. I wish I had done it in the first place ocer soap but what you are asking isn't possible so I haven't considered it. I guess not right now is the answer I have. | ||
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vaderseven
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Assuming the alignment of an unclaimed role and/or determining the algnment of someone by assuming the alignment of an unclaimed role is rediculous. Annul claims he was shot and protected. Annul is not confirmed scum by this and a doc protecting him confirms nothing. As a town we need to stop basing huge conckusions off of ALMOST 100% unconfirmed data. You want to know what an easy case for scum to jump on looks like? One that is based in assumed facts that are just not confirmable. I have no idea what annuls alignment is but I can certwinly say there is nothing about his claim of being protected in no way suggests any one single conclusion let alone confirming one. | ||
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I have a neutral to slightly scum read on lanaia's posting style but nothing that helps me to feel good about a case so i have her marked as 'cant tell.' I have you marked as being full of bad ideas and questions (not bad questions) (also no hate!!!) but un readable as of now beyond that. Redff strikes me as scummy and I plan to present that later on. His style is so differrnt though that I reserve saying anyhing beyond that he strikes ne as such till I comb his filter and look at some items. Prplhz I couldnt decide on things after reading some of his stuff. I do feel like the most important issue we face right now is palmar and via proxy annul. We are being led on half facts and assumptions into a tunnel vision esk discussion. I'll flesh my thoughts on those I just mentioned as well as maybe some others tonight over a cup of coffee. For now I can give you this. | ||
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While what you suggest is possible, that is assuming enough things that you don't know that it is like one of probably 10,000 possible scenarios. Pretending that one of them is likely is a trap that makes you ignore the real items at hand. If palmar and I are scum and we did all that as a gambit we had it planned to a T. Like, he had to asks for my notes right as I get to work, claim dayvig and deadline me a time line that doesnt allow me to be at home, do rapid fire back and forth, suggest a target to me, me shoot said target. Do you remember last game where I tried to organize a straight forward vote swap at the last second? Simple gambits like that are hard enough. I mean, lighting can strike someone three times in one year but that doesnt mean you should waste time thinking about it till you find out he lives at the top of the only tree in town lol. | ||
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I think my vote at the end of today will help people to know my alignment. (/jokepost) Mattchew, I think I want to see you try to rethink things and come up with a logical less out there idea. I don't know how to say that better. I completely accept your retraction of asking doc to claim, I am pretty sure on re-reading your filter that you are just not uber experienced with mafia and closed setups in particular. Shit, even I am not experienced enough in non themed closed setups (I feel dumb about the jack thing). | ||
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We gotta break that pattern now. | ||
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I still think Palmar is more likely scum than not, but not in a damning huge sense. I really dislike his choice of play on day 1 if he is town (I think that is obv) but I cant conclusively say it was a 100% scum style. I want to, but I can't. What I hate most right now about that situation is that if Palmar flips scum I will hate it even more if I ever backed down. Too bad thats a horrible reason to tunnel someone and ignore everything else. You have to take one for the team ego wise sometimes. about annul- I don't really think that his claim of being hit and protected or his asking prplhz to clarify a possible 'blueslip' are very good evidence. I can see a town player doing those things. He has added basicly nothing to the thread though. His filter as a whole is scummy. At this point, I feel he is a better choice to lynch then palmar. ##unvote Palmar ##vote Annul about me- Ya I have played years of forum mafia. I also historically hate and misplay blue roles. I am much more comfortable as a green. I excel as a green. Give me a gun and I just get nervous and ancy I guess. | ||
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