EPTI'm saying he's thinking higher of his case than it actually is.
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I'm saying he's thinking higher of his case than it actually is. | ||
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On December 09 2011 00:25 Toadesstern wrote: wat? I just said I think palmar is a stubborn townie that tries to get back in a leading position by delivering a scum. I'm saying he's thinking higher of his case than it actually is. EBWOP: That was meant to be a response to what Jackal said | ||
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On December 09 2011 00:35 Palmar wrote: Explain where the case is awful. And would you be more comfortable voting annul if the wagon was faster? I'm asking because normally I hear people throw around ideas that fast-building wagons are scummy, but now you say slow building wagons are scummy? Say, what rate would you prefer the wagon to get going at? Or did you just throw that in there to justify your vote on me? The problem is that it went incredible fast early on (the first 6 votes) and stopped there for 24 hours. Do you really think 4 people are sheeping you that hard to just vote like this without an explanation? Don't you think mafia would have hoped on that wagon sometimes yesterday no matter annuls alignment? If you're really right with your case I would not want to touch annul with a pole from here to whereever he lives. If you're wrong mafia would love to get on that wagon to see a townie dead without doing a thing (that is if you're town) and would have hoped on there not right from the beginning but surely sometime. Because I can't see one of that happening I'm saying that there's already 1 or 2 mafias who hopped on that wagon from the very beginning along with some sheeping townies. | ||
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On December 09 2011 00:49 Palmar wrote: As I explained earlier, looking at things like this has no value towards the case. Mafia could bandwagon a fellow mafia to get exactly this reaction from you. I say it once again, you cannot deduce anything about anyone by looking at the reactions of someone else, you should read the person, and only that person. Read the case, agree or disagree with it. Ignore everything but exactly the content of the case. I'm more than fine with you pushing your own case, but at the end of the day, if you fail to secure enough support for your case, you should take a firm stance towards the leading two cases. If for some reason the annul lynch fails, I will myself be forced to look at alternative cases. However, at this rate I don't expect it to. First of all I kind of agree with what you said about looking into people rather that what other people think about people. I still think my wifom example is right and actually it kind of shows it. However I still think you're overconfident right now and you're makeing a bigger deal of it than it is in reality. But yeah at the end of the day I will look at what we got and decide where my vote is most useful. I hope you're doing the same. Secondly I do not think mafia would bus a mafia buddy just to make them me think what I said, but that's another box to open that's not going to help here :p | ||
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On December 09 2011 00:58 Palmar wrote: That's a fair opinion, because now you're using the correct mindset to disagree with me. If you genuinely think the case doesn't prove annul is scum, I don't have a problem with it. What I have a problem with is throwaway reasons like "this wagon is bad", because that doesn't address the situation at hand. And yes, as I said, if this falls apart I am forced to look at other options. However, remember that I am awesome and almost always right. Fair enough, I admit the sideswipe (looked this up on a translator, hope it's right lol) after what I said about your mindset. | ||
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On December 09 2011 03:37 Zephirdd wrote: I just had this random thought, as we seem to be in this fight between Erandorr or annul's lynch. Ask yourself which flip gives you the most. - If Erandorr flips scum, congrats we got scum. - If Erandorr flips town, fuck our lives. - If annul flips scum, we can disregard his protection claim or assume it exists; either way, we got a scum and that also should increase Palmars credibility(which seems to be worrying a lot of people) - If annul flips town, Palmar's credibility goes downhill BUT we confirm that there is at least one town-aligned medic other than the supposed Drazerk claim. either way, annul's flip should provide us much more information than Erandorr's flip. The problem I have with that is that I'm not exactly willing to lynch for information. I am reading the case on annul again right after this post. A couple hours I thought it's weaker than my cae but who knows what sticking my nose into that case might make me see what I did not see earlier. | ||
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On December 09 2011 03:53 Mattchew wrote: As an almost neutral party (I favor the lynching of eran straight up) the cases presented are close enough where the information becomes a tipping point for me. I am going to quote palmar here because he at least made me agree to that one: On December 09 2011 00:49 Palmar wrote: As I explained earlier, looking at things like this has no value towards the case. Mafia could bandwagon a fellow mafia to get exactly this reaction from you. I say it once again, you cannot deduce anything about anyone by looking at the reactions of someone else, you should read the person, and only that person. Read the case, agree or disagree with it. Ignore everything but exactly the content of the case. I'm more than fine with you pushing your own case, but at the end of the day, if you fail to secure enough support for your case, you should take a firm stance towards the leading two cases. If for some reason the annul lynch fails, I will myself be forced to look at alternative cases. However, at this rate I don't expect it to. That's the reason I'm even considering to vote for annul because before palmar mad this clear I was never ever going to vote annul with people like Drazerk, Erandorr, Sandroba, prplhz, Refallen (<--at least a null for me, which is not a good sign among those guys) on him. That's literally every scummy player in this game therefore I said this wagon looks like the Worst wagon ever. Not because of what palmars case was because of what people are voteing it. If that's not a reason to not-vote for annul because I am only supposed to look at the case, the possible information gain is not something I'm going to take as an argument. Saying what I said is bad because you only have to look at the case when it hurts palmars case but when it's supporting his case it's okay? | ||
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That's the reason I'm even considering to vote for annul because before palmar made this clear I was never ever going to vote annul with people like Drazerk, Erandorr, Sandroba, prplhz, Refallen (<--at least a null for me, which is not a good sign among those guys) on him. That's literally every scummy player in this game therefore I said this wagon looks like the worst wagon ever. Not because of what palmars case is about but because who is agreeing to it / voteing. If that's not a reason to not-vote for annul because I am only supposed to look at the case, the possible information gain is not something I'm going to take as an argument. Telling me what I said is bad ("not voteing for annul because of scummy voters") because you're only supposed to look at the case and not who is sticking to it if it's hurting palmars case but as soon as its helping palmars case it's ok to look at other things, too? (information gain) Rephrased a lot. That happens when I try to construct a sentence out of multiple sentences I had before while deleting other parts of the sentence. Works fine in german but the moment I try doing that in english I end up fwith stupid bullshit or german grammar :p | ||
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On December 09 2011 04:22 Mattchew wrote: EBWOP: upon more re-reading of that, you may want to re-read my filter, never did I claim that who is voting for a person should not be taken into account when making your decision. Yeah but palmar claimed that one. If you believe in what you said and are voteing annul because of out-of-case-information perhaps you should take a look at the voteing thread and tell me if you like the names that are next to annul. Especially the first 7 names from the left. Do you really think it is a good idea? | ||
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On December 09 2011 04:43 Erandorr wrote: Oh shit. Someone is making sense! By the way, I actually didn't sheep Palmar, I came to that conclusion on my own. It was just kinda funny ^.^ hey there, glad you're back in here answering those questions you told you'd answer, staying active and all. Oh wait you're last post was on page 72? At least you did another quality post here... oh wait. GUYS, are you kidding me? | ||
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On December 09 2011 04:50 Toadesstern wrote: hey there, glad you're back in here answering those questions you told you'd answer, staying active and all. Oh wait you're last post was on page 72? At least you did another quality post here... oh wait. GUYS, are you kidding me? I am just quoting myself because everyone is ignoring it. Palmar answer this one: You think erandorr is a bad case based of what he does and based of what I said so far? It's AGAIN the same thing. He made that one post 13 pages ago that made everyone think "oh that poor little guy, he even thinks Toads case is good, can't be mafia". And he instantly went into lurkingmode again just to come out now to make a single post that got 2 posts of nothing. I will be sitting there post game telling you that I told you erandorr was a good case, I even told you what erandorr is going to to and he did it twice now. And he's ignoring it again. Yell yeah, that's the way a townie is playing this game, let's all withdraw our votes from erandorr... | ||
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On December 09 2011 05:54 Drazerk wrote: I live in Europe that's just being unrealistic I am as well but 16:52 tl time is just not that late for guys from europe, is it? | ||
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On December 09 2011 05:57 Drazerk wrote: Well he has already said there is no role claim involved and personally I would take Annul's role claim less serious than my own and not treat him any different unless he could confirm his own role or something so you agree that you're a liar and I was right about you all along? | ||
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On December 09 2011 05:59 Drazerk wrote: You really need to understand my meta better -.- it's hard because this is the first game we're playing together I think. I mean I shot you last game on n2 with my awesome vigpower but other than that I don't know much about your meta. | ||
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On December 08 2011 06:44 Toadesstern wrote: I think we might have someone with Erandorr. Someone already pointed out his style is very mich the same as the last game. He's not contributing at all, if someone calls him out he gets in here, does one bigger post and keeps lurkering / onlines until the next guy calls him out. The very same thing happened last game. Look at his filter last game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=117613 and start on page 2 (his mayor-campaign-post), everything before that was before the game started. Called out by ss: klick me Erandorr steps in the thread, does one normal post, proceeds to lurk. I made a case on him as well: Klick me Same as above as frankly, both happened abot the same time, so yeah erandorr get in the thread and starts doing some real posts. That's page 63. From page 64 again he's back to one-liners only. Massive vote-rigging:: Klick me! Erandorr joins the discussion to get one bigger post to get some town-cred and proceeds to lurk / do one-liners. I mean there where people claiming mafia, no need to not bus them for town-cred. That's how he played mafia last game. Now let's look at what erandorr is doing this game, shall we? That's his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291212&user=117613 He did some posts on day1 tha are no one-lines, those howeve are just fluff without content, telling rad to take a stand without actually doing something on his own. EVERYTHING ELSE is a one-liner. Next thing that's going to happen: Erandorr will come here, make a big post to look town again, telling you that something is wrong and some way more obvious target should be lynched first and will proceed lurking / doing one-liners afterwards. We can't let that happen again. He completly ignored those people who called him out last game, did one post that made him look okayish and went lurking again. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291212¤tpage=72#1428 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291212¤tpage=72#1436 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291212¤tpage=81#1606 My quote is the case, those 3 links are important. | ||
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On December 09 2011 09:53 vaderseven wrote: I love that the mafia forum here is awesome enough to have a 3k post count person that doesn't know him. Hes a sc2 person. He probably know who incontrol is but never hear of a role and neither have I oO | ||
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