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On December 05 2011 08:50 Erandorr wrote: Okay I just got home and I have a question for you, Rad. What are your thoughts at this point? Is there anyone that is standing out to you? Do you know what I was just thinking? I was looking at my notes and saying, hey, Erandorr said he would be gone for 6 hours and it's been almost 8. I just jotted down a nice note saying you were looking scummy if you didn't post tonight  I have many thoughts at this point, but none of them are near concrete enough to be airing into the thread. There are still a half dozen players yet to post, and another half dozen who need to post more. There are several players who I am waiting and watching for them to post more on their own, without being called out. Jackal was the one I wanted to talk about, but very few players have touched on his post, and he has not weighed in either. I think so far we are doing decent, but we need more activity to call this a successful Day 1. | ||
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On December 05 2011 08:53 Toadesstern wrote: right now? So far I got mostly things that make me think people are town  Nothing wrong with that. It's all I really have too It's far easier to pick out town players on Day 1 than mafia players. | ||
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On December 05 2011 09:35 Erandorr wrote: Okay Radfield, this is starting to give me a bad feeling. I first noticed it when you stated that you feel like a good town atmosphere includes no arguments. You are doing a great job involving a lot of people in the conversation, but it is really, really easy to look town when there is actually not that much to comment on and scum are in no way forced to reveal information. What we have right now is a very peaceful town, but not one that is looking like it is gaining a lot of information anytime soon and you are doing very little to change that. Would you mind sharing your thoughts now, so they can be discussed and we get a better sense of your alignment at the same time? As I stated, what current thoughts I have regarding alignment I would rather not put in the thread just yet. I'm not really sure what you want me to do. I'm in danger of having half the posts on the previous page. I cannot do this on my own, nor can I force other players to post. For now I will settle with poking and prodding as much as I need to. Why are you so worried about what I think? Look at my activity level, if something comes up you will very likely hear what I think of it. In addition, if the thread isn't moving towards a lynch tomorrow I will do my best to rectify it. Not to mention with an activity level this high my alignment will make itself known on its own. There's no need for me to force everything into the open to prove my innocence. You have read the thread Erandorr, what are YOUR thoughts? Why is your first real post asking me what I think, rather than stating what you think. You're a solid player Erandorr, and we both know you don't need me to hold your hand. I first noticed it when you stated that you feel like a good town atmosphere includes no arguments. You know what I mean by this, and I'm positive you agree. No need to stretch my words. | ||
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On December 05 2011 09:48 annul wrote: btw, it is unfair to radfield i guess for me to say "isnt taking positions at all" -- he took a small handful of them... but the ratio of "hey X, Y?" to "i think Z" is very high No one is talking.... I'm trying to get people to talk. We're moving at a snails pace right now. | ||
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On December 05 2011 10:30 Erandorr wrote: I made that first post because I noticed that, while you were engaging people in the game, you didn't really give us anything yourself. The fact that I still have not got anything out of you after an exchange of 3-4 posts sort of justifies that , don't you think? Why don't you want to share thoughts on alignment if you have noticed something? Get everybody to comment on it, see how the players react, or in other words, create some content yourself instead of complaining that no one else is doing anything. I wouldn't call the way you play ant-town, but its actually not helping that much either. And since you are on of the very good players in this game , I feel like we can hold you to a certain standart, as you pointed out correctly. My style is not slapping votes down and pushing players all over the place on Day 1. You state you want my 'thoughts' on the game, read my filter. If you have a specific question, ask it and I will answer it. "Why don't you want to share thoughts on alignment if you have noticed something?" Yes I have alignment reads, and obviously at this juncture none of them are near solid enough to merit posting. The reason people listen to me is I generally don't build a case until I have something to go on. Spouting about every possible scumread will only lower my(or anyone else's) credibility. Certainly I am not going to jump in and say hey guys, I think these 4 players look suspicious. That simply allows mafia to cherry pick which one we should discuss. "I wouldn't call the way you play ant-town, but its actually not helping that much either." You are insinuating here. My play so far has been characterized by clarifications, prodding players for their opinions, squeezing comments out of lurking players, answering questions and redirecting the conversation onto hopefully productive topics. If you find something specifically wrong with my play, shout it out. If you have questions, ask away. I'm fine with you holding me to a high standard of play, I will meet it. I also expect a certain level of play out of you as well, which I am sure you expect. I made that first post because I noticed that, while you were engaging people in the game, you didn't really give us anything yourself. The fact that I still have not got anything out of you after an exchange of 3-4 posts sort of justifies that , don't you think? No, "not getting anything out of me" does not justify you having no thoughts of your own. It certainly does not justify you reading the entire thread, and your only contribution coming out of that being to ask ME my opinions and thoughts. Who do YOU think looks scummy, who do YOU think should be lynched, what do YOU think of the current game? | ||
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On December 05 2011 10:52 prplhz wrote: People who have disappointed me with their activity so far: StimilantE: Is this guy even /in? I checked his filter and there was no /in post. Is this guy in and does he even know it? If you are, then start posting, your XLVII lurking will not go in this game. sandroba: Radfield also pointed this out. You said before we started that you wanted to try a new play style, can you tell us about this? It sounded a lot more exciting than you have shown so far. hyshes: Well it is your birthday so I suppose I'll cut you some slack. Soap: No posts. Mattchew: Joking around and being useless. If you don't know what to talk about then you probably haven't read the thread. If you have, then post here and encourage people to ask you stuff and maybe you'll get lucky. You missed Kingjames01 and Heir. Neither have posted. We also need more from Corrupt and Truthbringer, our two current easy targets. Jackal and Lanaia also need to jump into the conversation a bit more. | ||
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I know you know how syllogism and I(Palmar) play with each other. If I want him lynched people are going to notice. And not to mention, I have no interest in lynching syllogism day 1 as scum or town, I know he can be lazy as either alignment, and his scumplay isn't particularly scary so far, while his town play is some of the best on TL. What ARE your throughts on syllo, Palmar? A null read, or are you leaning one way or the other? I'm against any kind of lynch on Soap, Corrupt or Truthbringer. I realize no real bandwagons have gotten rolling against them, but I want to preemptively stop any. All three of these players are 'easy lynches', that is, easy for mafia to make a case against them and leave their vote there, basically skirting any real responsibility to scum-hunt. Something is up with Jackal this game, and I'd be ok lynching him at this point. However, I'm not going to push this hard on my own. Palmar, Syllo and Sandro, you guys were all in Merc Mini, how would you compare Jackal's demeanor and tone this game to that one. How would you compare it to a game he was town, like LOTR? Syllo, I agree on Heir. That case looked like he was told to go after you by another player. I'm ok voting him, but ideally I want to hear more first. Heir, speak up! Hyshes, Drazerk and Lanaia all need to pick it up or are going to find themselves on the wrong end of a Day 1 lynch. Likewise, Supersoft you are here now, make it count. ##Unvote | ||
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On December 05 2011 21:23 redFF wrote: ##Unvote meh palmar you're ok for now can't get over corrupt saying "so many suspicious people" and then only being able to list 1 and then ignoring my pushing of the issue. ##Vote Corrupt I agree there is something slightly off about Corrupt, but I think that makes him an excellent target for a vig or hatter, NOT an excellent Day 1 lynch. What do you think? + Show Spoiler + I'm not against the pressure though | ||
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On December 05 2011 21:42 Palmar wrote: Why? It's far more demoralizing for town to mislynch and have a vig shoot correctly. I haven't formed an opinion on Corrupt, but your statement makes absolutely no sense, we should always lynch the number one scum read. The idea is to avoid voting or allowing people to vote for players with very little reasoning. Voting for someone who has barely posted at all tells us nothing about the voter. I want people to have reasons and explanation with their votes. Lets face the facts, anyone can waltz in right now and say "Corrupt looks super scummy, vote corrupt". Mafia, Town, anyone. If corrupt flips town, we get very little info because there was so little to go on in the first place. I don't like voting lurkers or players who have posted very little. I think that is a waste of our day 1 lynch. I like voting for players who are just outside that category(slightly more activity), or players being active but saying little. We need to play the long term game here, no just try for an easy lynch. Also, mislynching Day 1 should NOT be demoralizing. It's day 1, mislynches happen. I go into every day 1 assuming we will mislynch, it's just too easy for mafia to redirect. However, we can still get a huge amount of info if we lynch properly(ie, don't lynch easy targets). We want to force mafia to have an opinion. Voting for a player like corrupt hardly takes an opinion at all. Makes sense? More to say, but I'll be gone for a while. | ||
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This is the kind of shit that wrecks Day 1. If you have something to say, think about it and post it, but no more one-liners. I leave for work and the thread dies... At this point I think lynching vaderseven is a bad idea. I had him written down as a person of interest, but that whole exchange did not make me think vader was scum. Palmar maybe, but not vader. I'll reread it though. Focusing on this for the remainder of the day is extremely counter-productive. Everyone slow down. | ||
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On December 06 2011 01:46 annul wrote: for the love of god nobody shoot anybody on day 1. complete waste of a day vig to shoot without being sure of anything. if either of you are actually day vigs youre all fucking retarded for doing this. and since i doubt you are both this collectively stupid i have to assume this is an elaborate troll. Smart. On December 06 2011 01:42 Palmar wrote: Ok awesome. Now you have to shoot someone. May I suggest you kill Drazerk? On December 06 2011 01:47 supersoft wrote: no he doesnt. now shoot someone. if you hit scum, you live another day. Not smart On December 06 2011 03:08 Drazerk wrote: Who cares what soap flips we should be lynching both of them -.- Also not smart On December 06 2011 02:04 vaderseven wrote: I am saying there is no way to ever say he is probably town, and he wont add anything. Not really a bad reason at all. Foolish to use the shot at this point, but It's easy to see how it came about. | ||
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On December 06 2011 03:23 syllogism wrote: That post was completely worthless rad unless you think "we" have other day vigs requiring advice Gimme some time and stick around. Those were just my thoughts upon rereading. | ||
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On December 06 2011 03:20 syllogism wrote: Radfield you promised to push for a lynch today if town has no direction and that appears to be the case so far. Barring the flip revealing more information, who would be your lynch today? I'm starting to lose motivation with sandroba/palmar both being equally useless. Sandroba kind of makes sense so far but is being quite lazy, if town. Yes, lets get started. These are the players I am willing to lynch today: 1. supersoft 7. hyshes 6. Erandorr 9. Drazerk 10. Jackal58 16. kingjames01 19. Lanaia 20. Risen 24. Hier Now I realize I'm doing what I said to not do: Posting a big list of people who scum can cherry pick from. However at this point I'm willing to let scum take from this list if they want to. If anyone thinks anyone else should be on this list, i'm happy to discuss why they are not. supersoft and Drazerk I'm less sure about, so lets take them off the list for the time being. They're both active as well, so presumably they will pick it up on their own. Hyshes has a IRL excuse, so he can slide by for a day. Hier is basically inactive, so it's kinda useless to vote for him. Risen I thought looked like a particularly good lynch, though on rereading his filter I'm not so sure anymore: Filter. I'd like to check his past game(s) Every post of Lanaia makes her look like scum:Filter Also need to check her past game. Kingjames01: Upon reading his two posts, my initial thought was that he has about 2 posts to impress me, or he is looking scummy. Both posts are neutral and full of generalities, long past the time when we needed to talk in generalities. Since then he has not posted again. Pretty decent lynch in my eyes. Jackal seems to be only posting in response to players. I don't have a good read on Jackal though, so as I said, I'm not going to push it on my own. Erandorr: First post in the thread stuck out like a sore thumb to me: On December 05 2011 08:50 Erandorr wrote: Okay I just got home and I have a question for you, Rad. What are your thoughts at this point? Is there anyone that is standing out to you? No discussion, no comments on any of the current topics, just.... nothing Then calls me out, but does nothing to follow his own advice. In fact, he's doing exactly what he is accusing me of: Just asking questions of other players without giving your own reads: Okay Radfield, this is starting to give me a bad feeling....What we have right now is a very peaceful town, but not one that is looking like it is gaining a lot of information anytime soon and you are doing very little to change that.... Most recent post: + Show Spoiler + To Radfield : The reason I asked you specificly is because I noticed it and it had not been mentioned before. That in itself was my contribution at that point. That I have to comment on other players as well is a given, but that does not make my questions any less valid. I didn't only ask you, I wrote something about you specificly because that question solidified my concern, which is that you are actually more contributing than guiding, which can be a very subtle way of playing scum. I felt this was a decent response. Yet since that point he has done nothing. He agrees he needs to comment on other players, yet does not do it. Eran has done nothing but respond to me this game. I get the feeling that had I not pushed him, he probably would have said far less. Certainly not sure on this, but it's niggling me. Again, I need to do some legwork and look at past games. Thoughts anyone? Agree/Disagree? | ||
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On December 06 2011 03:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar - My initial vote was an attempt to get Palmar to actually play the game with us. He's still yet to share any of his reads, has instead rolefished (yeah I said it) and trolled town for no gain. Now he's convinced our day-vig (presuming OUR day-vig...) to throw away his day-shot on someone who doesn't even look scummy. Worst part? He's absolutely unrepentant in his actions. Palmar is almost confirmed scum at this point, and if we don't lynch him today I'm gonna be pretty shitty. SCUM. Deez be mah reedz. I want to lynch Palmar. Palmar looks terrible, but I disagree with lynching him today. Palmar could easily flip town right now and I would not be surprised. Looking scummy is a viable way to survive night 1. Palmar is a good player, and has been getting shot night 1 repeatedly lately. If he is still shitting up the thread on Day 2, then yes we lynch him. I DO however agree that his play so far looks a lot like his play in LOTR(where he was third party). On December 06 2011 03:48 Drazerk wrote: What is wrong with the Palmar / V7 candidates? I strongly disagree with a V7 lynch right now. If you reread the entire scenario, it doesn't look like the actions of a mafia. It looks like the actions of a frustrated townie. Pushing votes on him right now seems smart, because his actions were foolish, but in reality I think voting V7 simply gives mafia an easy place to hide their votes. Not to mention, his reasoning behind shooting soap made sense. At no point in this game is Soap going to step up and prove he is town through his contributions(or at least it seems that way, no offence). That means he is either Scum or a liability. Was it smart to shoot? No. If you are going to shoot as town, was soap a good target? Yes. | ||
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On December 06 2011 04:25 supersoft wrote: sorry radfield, that list is horrible. I expect much more from you than listing 9 players that are lurking/trolling. For example myself. I admit, i didnt contribute anything gamedeciding so far and I even made a mistakes by creating a spam/troll atmosphere for quite a while. We maybe could have gathered more information out of the Palmar/v7 incident with a more levelheaded discussion about it. You also provide far too less reasons for the people on that list. You just throw this list at us and in the following you water down your own list. How is that useful? I also disagree about Jackal. Maybe I don't see the difference, but I don't think he's playing unusual... I'll filter your others targets now and look if there is actually something applicable among. It's Day 1, that's all I got right now. But I'm serious when I say that almost every other player I am not willing to lynch today. On some I could certainly be persuaded, but not most. I have zero solid scum reads, and tons of decent to good town reads, same as every other Day 1 town game I have ever played | ||
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