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vaderseven
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vaderseven
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You have resorted to an OMGUS as soon as a claim falls apart to a counter claim and that is a very standard mafia tactic. Seeing as I have pretty much destroyed by virtue of calling you out on a lie in your claim Splitting the hair about your claim of able to go bulletproof vs mine to go vet for a night is misdirecting the conversation away from the fact that I claimed and breadcrumbed my role way in advance and you did a copy cat style play to establish yourself. Don't think that I have forgotten how it was when everyone was putting myself in their 'probably town' lists that you went established your copy cat claim. Also, your analysis of bulletproof vs vet as 'more town' operates under an assumption that the town has a max of 1 KP per night. That being said, I don't believe you are a jack or any multi ability user. I think you are a mafia single shot day vig. You found a great way to get your shot off without being insta lynched for it and you are riding that all the way to the present moment. I was stupid in this game up till now about this whole issue but it is actually so clear now. Thank you for slipping up in your claim. The fact of the matter is, you are not the same role as I. I am a town [color=blue]Jack[/color] and you have claimed to be the same thing. Your abilities do not match mine. You are lieing about the name of your role and the only reason to do so is if you are not town aligned. I am extremely glad that you claimed to have protected Refallen last night as this is what started the matter. You made a small slip and said you used your first option on Refallen and then that mistake expanded into admitting to not knowing what the Jack role has as its abilities. Palmar, I'm sorry. | ||
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vaderseven
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The combo of my itchy trigger finger day 1 and my willingness to believe the claim of annul has totally derailed the focus of the town and has probably doomed us to a lose. Annul, you are going to die at the very least. Vote for annul for the lynch gents. | ||
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vaderseven
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You see that I have found a fault in your claim. The ONLY logical course of action for someone in my place is to conclude that you are lieing. I would therefor, logically, vote you. Stop splitting hairs and avoiding the issue of your claimed in a way to take advantage of current events in order to get a free shot off and then as your claim was slowly looked at a couple of cracks appeared. I think this is where I first started to really suspect something was up with your claim: On December 13 2011 15:07 vaderseven wrote: Annul did you use an action last night. On December 13 2011 15:34 annul wrote: yes. On December 13 2011 16:20 annul wrote: on refallen. On December 13 2011 16:25 annul wrote: option 1 On December 14 2011 04:00 vaderseven wrote: Annul, you are a LIAR. Option 1 on Refallen? You choose to be a vet and target someone? LYNCH. ##vote annul GOD i hate being played. On December 14 2011 05:30 annul wrote: no? option 1 that has a chance of being targeted at refallen. as in not the option that can be used at day or night. On December 14 2011 06:38 vaderseven wrote: Annul, go ahead reveal to the thread all your abilities. Its just more lies now. -_- On December 14 2011 06:41 annul wrote: as you wish ability 1: bulletproof ability 2: day vig ability 3: medic ability 4: mason "option 1" obviously refers to me using medic and not mason. Ok. Thats where it becomes some backpedaling. OPTION 1 among 4 abilities that are supposed to be common between us would be ability 1. You even number them. This clearly makes it obvious what the common understanding of option 1 would be. | ||
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vaderseven
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If you were my role and had medic'd Refallen last night you would have said, I used my 3rd ability on Refallen. Simple. Clear. Thats what you go for in claims like this. The fact that you said option 1 implies that you thought that was a simple and clear answer. Maybe you ARE a multi ability mafia role and you just assumed your abilities matched mine. @ Refallen - Did you get any notice of any night actions that targeted you? | ||
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vaderseven
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On December 14 2011 15:52 annul wrote: B. HOW CAN I BE A MAFIA ONE SHOT DAY VIG IF I PULLED MEDIC, MASON, DAY VIG, AND (X) OUT OF MY ASS? those ARE your four abilities, after all. like honestly how the fuck would i know these things? this is so disingenuous its absurd. This is the one thing I think that is true. You are right, you are some other variation of a multi-ability role and you were assuming your abilities matched mine. It is likely that you are a scum variation of my role. ive also taken the liberty of removing the bold blue text, since i fucking hate when people do that, as if it implies authority of a mod confirmation when it is bullshit. people should stop using any colors in text except green for official mod questions. LoL. Chill. That's actually hilarious because it is the first time I have ever done that in a game of mafia ever (in ~5 years of mafia). | ||
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vaderseven
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On December 14 2011 15:52 annul wrote: as you wish ability 1: bulletproof ability 2: day vig ability 3: medic ability 4: mason "option 1" obviously refers to me using medic and not mason. FIVE HOURS LATER, YOU CONFIRM THIS On December 14 2011 11:32 vaderseven wrote: Abilites: Vet for one night Med for one night Mason for one day/night day vigi [/QUOTE] I see what you did there. Took me a second. Do you bother to mention why I say you should claim? It is because I said option 1 makes no sense as that is the option that makes you a vet. You then go into to saying I am a liar. Here is the timeline without the omissions: On December 14 2011 04:00 vaderseven wrote: Annul, you are a LIAR. Option 1 on Refallen? You choose to be a vet and target someone? LYNCH. ##vote annul GOD i hate being played. I clearly have called you out for saying that used option one on Refallen and I name the real option 1. On December 14 2011 05:30 annul wrote: no? option 1 that has a chance of being targeted at refallen. as in not the option that can be used at day or night. That is your first reply. On December 14 2011 05:31 annul wrote: also, the first listed option altogether is NOT veteran. Now you are correcting your error and doing a subtle attack onto my claim (of first ability), which DID occur first thank you. Your counter claim of bulletproof over vet and the whole bulletproof is more pro town is a result of me claiming vet as an ability. Simple. As. That. On December 14 2011 05:55 annul wrote: are you dumb? you are going to make me reveal every power we have to prove it to you? i would imagine you would want me to keep it secret for obvious reasons Our next posts. I make it CLEAR as hell that you are lieing based on your claimed ability usage and claimed role. Only then do I post: On December 14 2011 06:38 vaderseven wrote: Annul, go ahead reveal to the thread all your abilities. Its just more lies now. -_- And from there you put up your list. Your list isn't the magical first list that your big post trys to make it out to be. My list that came 5 hours after yours was a simple information based list to help make it clear what I was calling you out on. I await your next twisting of my words my worthy foe. | ||
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vaderseven
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![[image loading]](http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/funny-pictures-bravo-bunny.jpg) You really had me scratching my head for a second with that 5 hours later you post the 2nd list of Jack abilities. I had to re-read both of our filters to make sure that I wasn't crazy and that I really had named that Vet was an ability before you named bulletproof. | ||
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vaderseven
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On December 14 2011 15:52 annul wrote: what a horrible defense you have put up. all game i stand firm to the pressure and survive two full days of onslaught of people saying there cant be two town jacks. the REAL mafia jack gets a couple of posts of pressure by me and completely disintegrates. Dang you are good at playing scum. That is an awesome buddying up to a large case vs you in an attempt to create a case out of thin air on me. You even couple that with an image of me having no logical place to stand saying that you are lieing. You said that you used option 1 on Refallen and I said uh option is to become a vet. You then backpedal and quickly go from being pro-me to anti-me. I finally caught you in a slip up that proved you were not the same role as me. With that you have no choice other than to OMGUS me. You have claimed town jack and so have I. The moment our claims don't match it is 100% the moment that we know each of our alignments, that of opposites. You recognized this and ASAP began to find ways to make a case that your claim is more town than mine. It is the most classic scum OMGUS (not town OMGUS) in that you realized at the same instant as I that your alignment had been revealed to me via your claim vs mine. | ||
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vaderseven
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Imagine a 3 player game. 1 mafia, 1 cop, 1 VT. The cop and the mafia both say I AM THE COP. They then both vote each other. They are both OMGUSing each other. | ||
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vaderseven
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On December 14 2011 16:26 Refallen wrote: Vader, I did not receive any such notification, except for the one which said I got roleblocked. Did other medic'd peeps get a message about being protected? | ||
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vaderseven
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On December 14 2011 15:52 annul wrote: the difference between BP and vet is everything, it is so crucial because it shows how i am town and you are mafia. to deflect AWAY from this is to play defense when for the first time in the game i can be totally confident in my ability to play offense on somebody else. there is zero chance whatsoever that i am wrong here. zero. It is everything? The difference or the ordering of the claims? I don't get how thats everything. Vet and Bulletproof are common roles that can be on either side of mafia/town. OHH I get it. It is everything meaning that it is the crucial thing that forced your hand and, as such, has to be a part of everything you say concerning you vs me from this point on. I said vet was option 1 and then you said thats wrong and posted your list. You are counterclaiming bulletproof to my vet and saying that vet is anti-town. I say that vet is a fine town ability (lol at saying it isn't, nice use of comparison to create an abstract negative view of something that in reality is a positive). I also say that your counterclaim of bulletproof to my vet is a smoke screen to take attention off the fact that you LIED and said you used option 1 on Refallen. I called you out on that and said option one is a vet and then voted for you. Funny how that difference is 'everything.' I think the lie that you got caught in is everything. | ||
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vaderseven
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When I claimed DAY VIG it was because Palmar was going to 'shoot me' or so he claimed. I was intrigued by his claim and basically asked him if he was a jack as I am. He didn't react to that at all and now I had a claim in the thread. I shot a worthless lurker that I thought might just be scum. I tried to cover my tracks of being a Jack but apperently that is a super common role on TL. I was hopping that it would be very easy to avoid mafia attention at night if they didn't know I had another possible set of actions to choose from. When you claimed Jack it was when you were leading the vote count. You claimed it and then you and I played a bit of cat and mouse with me trying to get you to confirm your abilities to me. The other things that were going on in the game up till that point were all focused on me/palmar. Palmar trolling and then getting an over reaction out of me. Those items very much so flavored the timing of your claim. I had set a pattern of it being acceptable for a player to shoot when under pressure and then be called "very towny" by alot of the players. You tried to set up a copy of that exact situation. The problem is you were in no why trying to hide you other abilities. You went ahead and said I AM A JACK LIKE V7. I felt for sure that you were a Jack at that point. A more town move in your case would have been to establish a mason link with someone and use that to establish your alignment. You instead made sure that you got one more town player killed. Going through my notes I see that the only reason I was fairly sure about your claim at the time was that you mentioned the ability to mason someone which I had not mentioned in the thread and when I mentioned the night option to cop someone and then asked you if you caught any issues with what I said you said there was something concerning night actions that wasn't correct. [hey palmar read that, thats why i defended him for so long] That made me willing to overlook your stupidly anti-town way of going about your claim. Now it is clear that you do not have the same abilities and that you were copying my claim pattern in an effort to confirm yourself to the same level as I had that you are towny. It is only now that your claim has fallen apart, as I knew it would if you were not telling the truth and I continued to ask about your role, that you are turning to attack me. I was of great use to you and now that that has ended I must die right? I should have listened to everyone that pointed out the scummyness of your play instead of trying to read into the rules/setup/roles. Now that you have proven that the only reason for you being alive, that of you having the same role as me, is in fact not true, I see you hanging. I rest my case, time for bed! | ||
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vaderseven
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On December 14 2011 16:50 annul wrote: you named vet 5 hours AFTER i named bulletproof. not the other way around. Look again bro! On December 14 2011 04:00 vaderseven wrote: Annul, you are a LIAR. Option 1 on Refallen? You choose to be a vet and target someone? LYNCH. ##vote annul GOD i hate being played. On December 14 2011 05:31 annul wrote: also, the first listed option altogether is NOT veteran. On December 14 2011 06:41 annul wrote: as you wish ability 1: bulletproof ability 2: day vig ability 3: medic ability 4: mason "option 1" obviously refers to me using medic and not mason. On December 14 2011 11:32 vaderseven wrote: I am 100% sure that annul is a JOAT. I am fairly sure that the JOAT is a town role. Abilites: Vet for one night Med for one night Mason for one day/night day vigi I just think having that on a scum team wouldn't make sense. Stop trying to confuse the issue. This is a factual list of the ordering of posts. also On December 14 2011 07:12 Lanaia wrote: Vader, can I ask, did you do anything last night? I understand if that is out of line. I just noticed this. It is 'out of line.'  | ||
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vaderseven
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VEyes, I don't know what to say. I am not trying to defend myself, should I? I am making a case on Annul after defending him for the entire game. Not the other way around. | ||
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vaderseven
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You didn't even bother to comment on the time line once I clarified it. Care to do so? | ||
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vaderseven
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On December 14 2011 17:04 annul wrote: saying "so you choose to be a vet and target someone" is not claiming vet. i make a direct claim of powers and five hours later you claim the same powers except youre a vet and im a BP. maybe in some extremely twisted sense of logic you "named" vet here, but it certainly is not a claim, since you have "named" powers that we have had in the past by subtle drops like this that we do not actually have. I made it clear the one time I did that. I was trying to test your claim at that time shortly after you first made it. I was 100% transparent on that. Extremely twisted logic? Annul, you are a LIAR. Option 1 on Refallen? You choose to be a vet and target someone? LYNCH. ##vote annul GOD i hate being played. I clearly, CLEARLY, state that the first option is to become a vet. I make it clear that I am voting you at that point because vet isn't an aimable ability. It does takes some insane twisted logic to say that option 1 != 1st listed ability. You are squirming so hard. You are trying to twist every point I am making. For a bit there your case was based on me saying Vet 5 hours after you said bulletproof. Where did that go? Oh its insane logic not to understand what I cleared stated in that post I quoted (in this post). Makes sense coming from the person that says Option 1 = 3rd ability. | ||
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