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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On November 30 2011 15:22 vaderseven wrote: sinani206, did you claim that you were hit and are a vet? I realized that I have marked in my notes just 'claimed vet' which makes alot more sense. never claimed hit going to sleep now | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
If I could night vote I would vote you as the 2nd vote. The only one scummier than you is the guy posting fuck you town. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On November 30 2011 15:20 wherebugsgo wrote: No, I think you're worth a damn as town. I just think it's extraordinarily weird that, as town, you actually haven't done anything that makes me believe you are town. I responded to your case on supersoft. Did you see it? Sandro ended up agreeing with me that SS is probably town, and that you are probably scum. What do you have to say about that? What do you think of Hier, Benjef, and prplhz? I skipped like 20 pages because the lynch was almost here, so that's probably a big reason. Prplhz is as scummy as vader and Ey to me. I don't see how even killing both the mayor and the sheriff to save scum and a townie makes any sense. Heir is the one that actually argued with you and you called him scum? Yeah that's more or less typical, and makes him a neutral read. I have no idea who that second person is. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
mkay you prolly shouldn't have claimed imo cop then imo. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On November 30 2011 15:25 vaderseven wrote: Im blown away. He didnt need to lie to the COPs to FUCK THEM UP for the rest of the game. If he was town he coulda just mentioned sanity. Bringing the miller claim into the picture is ONLY there to fuck with people THAT HAVE SCANNED HIM. He was fucking with people that might scan him and there was already no reason to trust a d1 scan. If I could night vote I would vote you as the 2nd vote. The only one scummier than you is the guy posting fuck you town. his only mess up was claiming vig. If he had not mentioned anything of the vig claim the addition of miller is completely legit as the miller would explain a red check (no green townie knows hes a miller). You can say "there is no reason to trust a d1 scan" but not everyone will agree with you. The person with a role will always determine how good or bad they feel said role is or how to use it. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
Why is Palmar dead? Are you abysmal? Answer is: Yes you are. Anyway. I am going to adress our blues now: Dear Medics, you know that you screwed up horribly night one. Radfield, syllo and jackal died. I mean wtf. - I am willing to forgive you if you make some awesome saves tonight.: supersoft annul wherebugsgo sandroba redFF and guess what, that's all I want from you. I don't want you to quadrasave one of us: If you're in the upper third of the playerlist, save me, middle saves sandroba and bottom saves wbg. If you hate the world and refuse to save active/reasonable townies then go ahead and save the crazy/inactive townies: sandroba and redFF. I don't trust BCs jailing abilities since he's already confirmed scum. I doubt he even activates the doublelynch. I'll release a vig/lurkerbanelist later on. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
There is no reason if you think someone scanned you to fuck them up and tell them WINK WINK millerrrrrr WINK WINK. You are still defending this. Its downright AMAZING. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On November 30 2011 15:25 bumatlarge wrote: I skipped like 20 pages because the lynch was almost here, so that's probably a big reason. Prplhz is as scummy as vader and Ey to me. I don't see how even killing both the mayor and the sheriff to save scum and a townie makes any sense. Heir is the one that actually argued with you and you called him scum? Yeah that's more or less typical, and makes him a neutral read. I have no idea who that second person is. oh yeah: This guy is on the top of the viglist :D | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Hier
2391 Posts
On November 30 2011 14:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Dude, As scum with the names of the bodyguards palmar would be dead night 1. Period, dead. On November 30 2011 14:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I am currently killable at night even now. You're sure of this how, exactly? So far not a single bodyguard has fallen. Do you happen to know the names of the bodyguards? On November 30 2011 14:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: No its not? day 2 deny double lynch, remove 8 town players factor in modkills, misslynch day 1? You'd be fucked right now and you know it. All of day 1 would have been made useless and double lynches would be instantly locked as of day 2 lynch. Unless town is stacked with vigi's who shoot properly or loaded with medics who make amazing saves chances are double lynches are needed. Me for locking down that much town kp is worth it. Factor in that I have no idea if any or how many of the bgs are red? I potentially could have still been killing the mayor + a ton of vets. The tradeoff to trade 1 for a fuck ton of people would have been worth it. That sentence seems awfully out of place. In this paragraph you are explaining what you would have done as scum, then suddenly you state that as a town player you wouldn't have any idea who the bodyguards are, after which you keep going on about you ransacking the village if you were mafia. And I was almost convinced you are town. Now I'm on the fence again. You have my permission to explain yourself. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
On November 29 2011 23:31 zeks wrote:Judging from the tone of some of your posts I might've been DT checked last night and returned scum/guilty (I won't say by who)... if so please consider your sanity / or the possibility I'm Miller! Tell me how, if he wasnt a miller, this isnt trying to send a message that is a pure lie to a cop. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On November 30 2011 15:31 vaderseven wrote: Of Course. He addressed that though. He mentioned sanity. Why mention sanity which solved that completely and nicely and then move on to lieing about being a miller? He suggested it SO strongly that I doubt anyone thought he wasn't a Miller if they read that post closely. There is no reason if you think someone scanned you to fuck them up and tell them WINK WINK millerrrrrr WINK WINK. You are still defending this. Its downright AMAZING. You are asking question i am explaining my mindset. Miller you do realize explains sanities right? as in if you are a miller you get the green townie pm but if a sane dt checks you you flip as mafia? You asked my mindset I am explaining it. I have already admitted I was wrong and yet you keep pushing a point in knowing my thought process at the time. You are grasping at straws constantly trying to find a gap in my posts. You will not find it. You are not asking if I still believe I am right you are asking what I thought at the time. The clear issue is you have said you disagreed with my defense of zeks. I was really the only one defending him. I was also tunneling palmar like no other. You believed that I was mafia, but that my defense of zeks was horrendous YET YOU STILL WITHDREW YOUR VOTE FOR HIM TO OFF THE PERSON I WAS TUNNELING. If you were so sure I was being "bad" and choosing the wrong people you would never have followed me on not killing zeks or killing palmar. If my case was so bad you should never have voted to lynch him. As such I have destroyed your attempt to discredit me. You can try hard if you want to but you arent going to pull it off. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Anyway, my message; To all townies: Obviously our job is to reduce scum KP as fast as possible. Based on how many scum flip tonight, we lynch the remaining (practically confirmed) scum tomorrow. If all of them miraculously die and scum KP is reduced by 3 or 4 then we obviously revert to analysis. First of all, I want to discuss the following players: sinani206 Benjef Hier bumatlarge sandroba If any of these players survive till tomorrow we'll need to figure out what to do with them. I want opinions on these players. For now I'm willing to believe that sandro is town. However, he has been largely inactive and unhelpful since he lost the day 1 race and syllo died. Bumatlarge has not done so hot this game but we cannot rule him out as scum either. The major question with sinani is whether we should just auto lynch him tomorrow if he survives the vigilante genocide tonight. Sinani has lied, has shown that he is not going to play well this game, and admitted pre-game that he will be trolling. So far, he's lived up to his promise. The problem though, is that he legitimately could be a DT. Is sinani, as a DT, worth keeping around, or do we lynch him on LaL and claiming vet into DT? Personally, I don't care, since sinani is not going to do anything either way. He should die for the lie, IMO, but the problem is that it might be a waste of a lynch/vig shot. Benjef and Hier are my biggest scumreads beyond the top 6 and prpl. This is purely based on analysis and what I have been seeing out of these two players. I would be completely fine with lynching them tomorrow if all the other 6 (and prpl) show up dead, but I want to know if everyone else agrees with them being scum. If not, who is scum and why? On November 30 2011 15:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: My mindset is far different than most players in this game. If you notice day 1 I was very hesitant to go with LAL as a base rule? I say this because although townies should near almost never lie there are points in which "white lies" are done which can be used to towns advantage. I would never suggest newer players do this, and I would never suggest that most players ever do it to begin with. However players who have been playing for years on TL grew up in an environment where experienced ones know that there are points where you do not want to claim your role. Using miller was a terrible choice but the logic behind "im being tunneled via clues, no one is dumb enough to lynch via first round of clues, there must be something else here. Only a dt check could be screwing me then since no behavioural analysis was done." With that you have to work around the mechanic of the dt. Discussing miller then claiming vig may be bad in terms of claiming miller, but trying to hide your role? A dt would never see blue, just red or green. Tag in that with how he was being mad tunneled by near everyone and there was almost no defense of him whatsoever I hit the mindset it was a bus on a townie. As such his excuses based on the mindset that I could easily swap into made more sense than they probably should have. Right but in order to come to that conclusion you have to actually identify that scum are voting him or pushing his lynch. When I looked at his vote list I had a problem. The simple fact was that I couldn't figure out if anyone on his list was actually scum. This was after the miller claim, so it kinda confirmed the fact to me that he indeed was scum and mostly townies were trying to kill him. Yeah, I agree that the initial logic behind pushing his lynch so hard was kinda bad. I don't agree that clues should be used solely for lynching someone. However, the vote pattern and the lie fit him being scum. There was literally no reason for him to ever claim being a miller and then a vig if he was town. If he was town he'd probably either just roleclaim vig or not even mention DT checks at all. It sounded to me like he just panicked and scumslipped, then fakeclaimed. However, all that was fine. I figured zeks had enough votes and I was sure you were scum based on how hard you were going after Palmar for piss poor reasons. Then you kept digging yourself further into a hole by making those statements about zeks's roleclaim. That coupled with this massive gambit it's throwing me off. Two things are possible. Either scum thought they'd kill both mayor and sheriff, or you are scum. Either is plausible, though obviously if you continue to make sense and you catch scum for us you're more likely to be town. At this point it's pretty fruitless to continue this discussion. If we have to deal with you, we deal with you later. It will be tomorrow, ofc, if double lynch is not activated. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On November 30 2011 15:34 Hier wrote: @BC You're sure of this how, exactly? So far not a single bodyguard has fallen. Do you happen to know the names of the bodyguards? That sentence seems awfully out of place. In this paragraph you are explaining what you would have done as scum, then suddenly you state that as a town player you wouldn't have any idea who the bodyguards are, after which you keep going on about you ransacking the village if you were mafia. And I was almost convinced you are town. Now I'm on the fence again. You have my permission to explain yourself. Read the OP both mayor and sheriff get the names of the bgs. I know how many there are and their names. The OP also states that the bgs are only vanilla and can be either mafia or town. As such I can tell you straight up. Mafia can eat through the bgs and off me in one swoop with all the names. Sorry for the confusion. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
When anyone asked ANYTHING about your case on Palmer you would post circles of text that led nowhere over and over. Your case was so bad and single minded and I was so sure of your scummyness that I concluded that Zeks was dumb and that you and palmer were scum and you were bussing him. Zeks was FOR sure going to be lynched or so everyone thought while you were still going hey kill palmer not zeks miller claims when you think a cop looked at you are totally good play ignore that and focus in on this guy that is losing votes. You were basiclly pushing a dead end case with a white noise style while defending an almost for sure lynch in a way that was dumb. It ONLY made sense to me as a bussing between two players that had just secured control of the game via elections. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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Hier
2391 Posts
On November 30 2011 15:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Read the OP both mayor and sheriff get the names of the bgs. I know how many there are and their names. The OP also states that the bgs are only vanilla and can be either mafia or town. As such I can tell you straight up. Mafia can eat through the bgs and off me in one swoop with all the names. Sorry for the confusion. In that case I retract my previous suspicion. I will go learn how to read now. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
Everyone who is talking will be dead tomorrow or the day after. Mafia still has 8 kp we NEED to protect active players. Come on. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
On November 30 2011 15:38 wherebugsgo wrote: -you were going after Palmar for piss poor reasons. -Then you kept digging yourself further into a hole by making those statements about zeks's roleclaim. -if you continue to make sense and you catch scum for us you're more likely to be town. Does not compute. | ||
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