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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
November 30 2011 06:08 GMT
#3921
On November 30 2011 15:04 Nisani201 wrote:
Omfg I am really behind in the thread, I have asked for a replacement but I doubt that one is coming. I hate to ask but has anything significant happened in the last 40 pages, or is it just arguing?

...or have I been replaced?

Just read the game from now on, you'll be able to go through peoples filters anyway.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 30 2011 06:09 GMT
#3922
On November 30 2011 15:07 sinani206 wrote:
Since I'm probably gonna die tonight for that analysis on wbg, I might as well claim. I was a detective and I got guilty on wbg. I claimed vet earlier to keep from dying n1. I doubt that I'm paranoid/insane or that he was framed because of his truly scummy play. So, gg all.


You're a moron, you have no way of knowing your sanity on n1.

You claimed vet and now you claimed detective?

You might as well die to cause you're a liar now too.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
November 30 2011 06:10 GMT
#3923
WBG did you see the votes? I am literally tied with zeks. Look in the thread at kenpachi where he said "zeks is at 16 and you are at 17" Do you honestly think that was for show? I am admitting that I made a mistake. So have you by going after me. I am willing to admit I made that mistake and try to win this game.

I am saying that I look more town because they barely failed offing me. I also have 3 confirmed mafia attempting to off me as well.

The gambit appeared to be rape the two elected officials and deny all the double lynches from here on out.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 30 2011 06:11 GMT
#3924
On November 30 2011 15:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
WBG did you see the votes? I am literally tied with zeks. Look in the thread at kenpachi where he said "zeks is at 16 and you are at 17" Do you honestly think that was for show? I am admitting that I made a mistake. So have you by going after me. I am willing to admit I made that mistake and try to win this game.

I am saying that I look more town because they barely failed offing me. I also have 3 confirmed mafia attempting to off me as well.

The gambit appeared to be rape the two elected officials and deny all the double lynches from here on out.


yeah, that's what I thought at first too.

As long as you keep activating double lynches and you do what I do (i.e. you protect the fuck out of me) I'll leave you till the last scum.

bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
November 30 2011 06:11 GMT
#3925
On November 30 2011 15:06 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 14:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 30 2011 14:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
On November 30 2011 14:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 30 2011 14:50 wherebugsgo wrote:
stop calling me dbg damn it

I already posted one earlier.There were 7 people involved.

The thing is that it's very scummy for people to have been on both Palmar and me, because voting me was essentially an abstention. Both cases were total trash and only supported because Ace was an idiot.

I want to hear what sandro has to say. That slippery bastard left the thread over 9 hours ago. He hasn't done anything yet.

He very well could be scum too, but gah...idk...this vote switch incriminates so many people, I just can't wrap my head around a gamble that stupid.

The only explanation that makes sense to me is that BC is scum. Otherwise why would such a huge gambit be necessary?If BC is scum he's easily the most important scum member and he'd definitely be worth 10 other scum, let alone 6.



Dude, As scum with the names of the bodyguards palmar would be dead night 1. Period, dead. As i said earlier in the thread I would have been lynched instantly and I would have lul's you to hell.



no because you would be an autolynch day 2 if that were to happen.

Don't be stupid, this is terrible reasoning.


No its not? day 2 deny double lynch, remove 8 town players factor in modkills, misslynch day 1? You'd be fucked right now and you know it. All of day 1 would have been made useless and double lynches would be instantly locked as of day 2 lynch. Unless town is stacked with vigi's who shoot properly or loaded with medics who make amazing saves chances are double lynches are needed. Me for locking down that much town kp is worth it. Factor in that I have no idea if any or how many of the bgs are red? I potentially could have still been killing the mayor + a ton of vets. The tradeoff to trade 1 for a fuck ton of people would have been worth it.

Did you read the last game where I was scum? I personally directed a town suicide hater onto a lurking mafia (the first mafia death of the game) purely to gain town cred and make sure his hit did not hit an active member of my team. Trading 1 mafia for insane chaos / tons of town deaths is worth the trade regardless of who the mafia member is.


modkills wtf

Okay so you want me to believe, that scum did this massive gambit, ONLY to kill Palmar....for the lulz?

the top four vote-getters were you, prpl, Palmar, and zeks. Zeks is confirmed scum, Palmar confirmed town.

That most likely means prpl was scum, or you were scum, or both of you were scum.

I'm want to believe that BOTH of you were scum, since your reasoning for defending zeks was piss poor and you are certainly more than capable of looking like town after such a massive ballsy gambit.

Yeah, scum just sacced 6 people but they wouldn't sac 6 people just to kill the mayor. Even if you just kill the mayor with a town sheriff town still has all the double lynches and most of the electoral office power at its disposal. That would be a massively terrible trade seeing as we certainly have vigilantes and that basically just gives them all free shots into the scumpool.

Not all of them will die, certainly, since we don't have a massive amount of vigis and scum surely have medics, but you do NOT look more town after that exchange and gambit, BC.

In addition I think bum actually might be a better choice for vig than ey215.

ey215 has a good point in that he actually didn't switch off zeks onto palmar. He switched onto prpl.

Bum you make some excuse about having a reason for your vote switch but it was obvious that ninja was premeditated. You did it like 10 minutes before lynch and your reasoning was really freaking bad.

Good job on pissing all over Palmar's credibility though, that really worked. Now you have to deal with me, and I don't go down without a fight.


I can forgive that you don't immediately see that logic, just don't go making 100% wrong assumptions and make it seem like you are helping town by that.
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vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
November 30 2011 06:12 GMT
#3926
On November 30 2011 15:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 15:05 vaderseven wrote:
On November 30 2011 15:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 30 2011 15:01 vaderseven wrote:
On November 30 2011 14:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
On November 30 2011 14:55 vaderseven wrote:
On November 30 2011 14:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
On November 30 2011 14:52 ey215 wrote:
On November 30 2011 14:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
On November 30 2011 14:42 ey215 wrote:
[quote]

Right and now you're using terrible logic to try to get rid of someone that's actually fought back against you. It's the same reason you've decided anyone voting for you must be scum. You're just looking for control and vengeance.

Oh well, it's on you when I flip town.


the chance of you flipping town is less than 10% at this point.

No one who votes in the thread with 6 other people in a massive vote switch off (now confirmed) scum right before/after the deadline gets away unscathed.

Even if you were a townie that was a retarded move. You don't get to live for doing that.


Sigh, I switched off you to the same damn person you voted for. What reason would I have to do that when I could have been the deciding vote against BC if I was mafia? Are you saying BC is mafia even after that shit they just pulled? I mean come on, think for a minute.

Whatever I would have ended up on your list even if I hadn't. You decided I was scum the minute I bothered to speak up against you, just like other townies. Way to keep up a collaborative atmosphere.

Vigs, don't listen to him about me. I am town.


No, I gave you the damn benefit of the doubt.

Not my fault you screwed yourself by voting at a time when 6 scum were saving their buddy.

For all I'm concerned everyone who voted in that thread 2-3 minutes before/after the deadline is scum.


And yet risen has already flipped town? Don't you see the fallacy of this thinking yet?


RISEN DID NOT VOTE WITH YOU

-_-

he edited a post. That's why he was modkilled.


Oh ok.

So noone on that was paying attention and cared enough to micro manage thier vote as things changed rapid fire has flipped?

I guess the point is really the same as mine.


had he not edited his post I was dead, pure and simple. Within seconds of his "vote" on me you and 4 other people did a mass vote switch almost saving zeks and killing me + palmar.

You are very obviously scum, sit down and take your death like a man,


Men don't die just cuz a bad player calls them out on a mistake.


I am far better than you. Even the best of us make a mistake. Ace is considered one of the best players in our community and even he tunneled palmar.


Make logical posts please.

I > you cuz the best make mistakes and ace is really good and he tunneled palmar.

Thats white noise. Explain YOUR wierd as hell play concerning Zeks and Palmer. I dont care about Ace's play and how it was awesome and wrong concerning palmer I am looking at you and your support of Zeks' (a flipped scum lol) call to lie about being a miller in order to fool people and your tunnel vision on Palmer that lacked any structure or reason.

Let me make it simple cuz you keep dodging.

Lets start with numbered questions. You can use numbers to label your answers! Its gonna be totally fun!

1. So power roles that are under pressure should claim miller especially if they think a cop has scanned them in order to fool mafia. How does this work and can you please address the fact that you are currently set on this stance?

2. Your case on Palmer was so tunnel vision'd in on without even caring about the fact that palmer, if town, would be a VERY powerful and helpful tool for the lategame. Can you explain why you felt it was wise to tunnel vision in on such a powerful role that might be town while ignoring everyone else for the most part?

3. Your entire play style is one of posting the same thing over and over again. You don't care what alignement someone is till they flip, you will chase them down if they are town and you will defend em to the death if they are scum. Why is this a strong way for a 'town' player to play?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 30 2011 06:12 GMT
#3927
like the only thing that's keeping me from calling you town is that moronic shit you did with Zeks.

He was a confirmed liar and you kept defending him and you sounded like such a politician.

It was just mindbogglingly dense to me, both you and Ace. I just didn't get it.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 30 2011 06:13 GMT
#3928
On November 30 2011 15:11 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 15:06 wherebugsgo wrote:
On November 30 2011 14:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 30 2011 14:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
On November 30 2011 14:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 30 2011 14:50 wherebugsgo wrote:
stop calling me dbg damn it

I already posted one earlier.There were 7 people involved.

The thing is that it's very scummy for people to have been on both Palmar and me, because voting me was essentially an abstention. Both cases were total trash and only supported because Ace was an idiot.

I want to hear what sandro has to say. That slippery bastard left the thread over 9 hours ago. He hasn't done anything yet.

He very well could be scum too, but gah...idk...this vote switch incriminates so many people, I just can't wrap my head around a gamble that stupid.

The only explanation that makes sense to me is that BC is scum. Otherwise why would such a huge gambit be necessary?If BC is scum he's easily the most important scum member and he'd definitely be worth 10 other scum, let alone 6.



Dude, As scum with the names of the bodyguards palmar would be dead night 1. Period, dead. As i said earlier in the thread I would have been lynched instantly and I would have lul's you to hell.



no because you would be an autolynch day 2 if that were to happen.

Don't be stupid, this is terrible reasoning.


No its not? day 2 deny double lynch, remove 8 town players factor in modkills, misslynch day 1? You'd be fucked right now and you know it. All of day 1 would have been made useless and double lynches would be instantly locked as of day 2 lynch. Unless town is stacked with vigi's who shoot properly or loaded with medics who make amazing saves chances are double lynches are needed. Me for locking down that much town kp is worth it. Factor in that I have no idea if any or how many of the bgs are red? I potentially could have still been killing the mayor + a ton of vets. The tradeoff to trade 1 for a fuck ton of people would have been worth it.

Did you read the last game where I was scum? I personally directed a town suicide hater onto a lurking mafia (the first mafia death of the game) purely to gain town cred and make sure his hit did not hit an active member of my team. Trading 1 mafia for insane chaos / tons of town deaths is worth the trade regardless of who the mafia member is.


modkills wtf

Okay so you want me to believe, that scum did this massive gambit, ONLY to kill Palmar....for the lulz?

the top four vote-getters were you, prpl, Palmar, and zeks. Zeks is confirmed scum, Palmar confirmed town.

That most likely means prpl was scum, or you were scum, or both of you were scum.

I'm want to believe that BOTH of you were scum, since your reasoning for defending zeks was piss poor and you are certainly more than capable of looking like town after such a massive ballsy gambit.

Yeah, scum just sacced 6 people but they wouldn't sac 6 people just to kill the mayor. Even if you just kill the mayor with a town sheriff town still has all the double lynches and most of the electoral office power at its disposal. That would be a massively terrible trade seeing as we certainly have vigilantes and that basically just gives them all free shots into the scumpool.

Not all of them will die, certainly, since we don't have a massive amount of vigis and scum surely have medics, but you do NOT look more town after that exchange and gambit, BC.

In addition I think bum actually might be a better choice for vig than ey215.

ey215 has a good point in that he actually didn't switch off zeks onto palmar. He switched onto prpl.

Bum you make some excuse about having a reason for your vote switch but it was obvious that ninja was premeditated. You did it like 10 minutes before lynch and your reasoning was really freaking bad.

Good job on pissing all over Palmar's credibility though, that really worked. Now you have to deal with me, and I don't go down without a fight.


I can forgive that you don't immediately see that logic, just don't go making 100% wrong assumptions and make it seem like you are helping town by that.


lolol..

bum you're a good player, so why have you had no analysis that's worth a damn this game?


vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
November 30 2011 06:14 GMT
#3929
On November 30 2011 15:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
like the only thing that's keeping me from calling you town is that moronic shit you did with Zeks.

He was a confirmed liar and you kept defending him and you sounded like such a politician.

It was just mindbogglingly dense to me, both you and Ace. I just didn't get it.


Its really no better than his case on palmer. It was the same thing in reverse even.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
November 30 2011 06:15 GMT
#3930
On November 30 2011 15:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
like the only thing that's keeping me from calling you town is that moronic shit you did with Zeks.

He was a confirmed liar and you kept defending him and you sounded like such a politician.

It was just mindbogglingly dense to me, both you and Ace. I just didn't get it.



Zeks was being hardcore tunneled right from the getgo. He was getting mass sheep votes. The amount of "analysis done of him" was after he was linked to clues. All the shit on him looked insanely forced. Was my defense of him the best in the world? fuck no. When I said "hey guys lets not lynch just off clues" and people were still fucking doing it you can see where i get quickly worried and tunnel vision goes on.

Palmar did terrible town play. Did he flip town? Yes but that doesn't make his play solid.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 30 2011 06:15 GMT
#3931
On November 30 2011 15:14 vaderseven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 15:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
like the only thing that's keeping me from calling you town is that moronic shit you did with Zeks.

He was a confirmed liar and you kept defending him and you sounded like such a politician.

It was just mindbogglingly dense to me, both you and Ace. I just didn't get it.


Its really no better than his case on palmer. It was the same thing in reverse even.


stfu scum.

BC at least has a chance at being town, you're 3000% confirmed scum.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
November 30 2011 06:15 GMT
#3932
On November 30 2011 15:07 sinani206 wrote:
Since I'm probably gonna die tonight for that analysis on wbg, I might as well claim. I was a detective and I got guilty on wbg. I claimed vet earlier to keep from dying n1. I doubt that I'm paranoid/insane or that he was framed because of his truly scummy play. So, gg all.


Why I am not surprised by this in the slightest. You do realize that this check literally means nothing day 1. I knew you weren't the most clever player but come on.

You make me sad

But to be fair, the second I saw your Vet claim, I was fairly certain you were a DT or rolecop. I knew you weren't THAT stupid.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 30 2011 06:16 GMT
#3933
On November 30 2011 15:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 15:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
like the only thing that's keeping me from calling you town is that moronic shit you did with Zeks.

He was a confirmed liar and you kept defending him and you sounded like such a politician.

It was just mindbogglingly dense to me, both you and Ace. I just didn't get it.



Zeks was being hardcore tunneled right from the getgo. He was getting mass sheep votes. The amount of "analysis done of him" was after he was linked to clues. All the shit on him looked insanely forced. Was my defense of him the best in the world? fuck no. When I said "hey guys lets not lynch just off clues" and people were still fucking doing it you can see where i get quickly worried and tunnel vision goes on.

Palmar did terrible town play. Did he flip town? Yes but that doesn't make his play solid.


yes, but look at how I reacted to the lynch.

Initially I was against it for the same reasons you were. The miller stuff was just too much to pass up though. LaL ftw.

Why was it that you kept making up hypotheticals about roleclaiming that made absolutely no sense? What did his roleclaiming have to do with the fact that he straight up lied about being a vanilla town and then a vig?
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
November 30 2011 06:17 GMT
#3934
On November 30 2011 15:13 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 15:11 bumatlarge wrote:
On November 30 2011 15:06 wherebugsgo wrote:
On November 30 2011 14:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 30 2011 14:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
On November 30 2011 14:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 30 2011 14:50 wherebugsgo wrote:
stop calling me dbg damn it

I already posted one earlier.There were 7 people involved.

The thing is that it's very scummy for people to have been on both Palmar and me, because voting me was essentially an abstention. Both cases were total trash and only supported because Ace was an idiot.

I want to hear what sandro has to say. That slippery bastard left the thread over 9 hours ago. He hasn't done anything yet.

He very well could be scum too, but gah...idk...this vote switch incriminates so many people, I just can't wrap my head around a gamble that stupid.

The only explanation that makes sense to me is that BC is scum. Otherwise why would such a huge gambit be necessary?If BC is scum he's easily the most important scum member and he'd definitely be worth 10 other scum, let alone 6.



Dude, As scum with the names of the bodyguards palmar would be dead night 1. Period, dead. As i said earlier in the thread I would have been lynched instantly and I would have lul's you to hell.



no because you would be an autolynch day 2 if that were to happen.

Don't be stupid, this is terrible reasoning.


No its not? day 2 deny double lynch, remove 8 town players factor in modkills, misslynch day 1? You'd be fucked right now and you know it. All of day 1 would have been made useless and double lynches would be instantly locked as of day 2 lynch. Unless town is stacked with vigi's who shoot properly or loaded with medics who make amazing saves chances are double lynches are needed. Me for locking down that much town kp is worth it. Factor in that I have no idea if any or how many of the bgs are red? I potentially could have still been killing the mayor + a ton of vets. The tradeoff to trade 1 for a fuck ton of people would have been worth it.

Did you read the last game where I was scum? I personally directed a town suicide hater onto a lurking mafia (the first mafia death of the game) purely to gain town cred and make sure his hit did not hit an active member of my team. Trading 1 mafia for insane chaos / tons of town deaths is worth the trade regardless of who the mafia member is.


modkills wtf

Okay so you want me to believe, that scum did this massive gambit, ONLY to kill Palmar....for the lulz?

the top four vote-getters were you, prpl, Palmar, and zeks. Zeks is confirmed scum, Palmar confirmed town.

That most likely means prpl was scum, or you were scum, or both of you were scum.

I'm want to believe that BOTH of you were scum, since your reasoning for defending zeks was piss poor and you are certainly more than capable of looking like town after such a massive ballsy gambit.

Yeah, scum just sacced 6 people but they wouldn't sac 6 people just to kill the mayor. Even if you just kill the mayor with a town sheriff town still has all the double lynches and most of the electoral office power at its disposal. That would be a massively terrible trade seeing as we certainly have vigilantes and that basically just gives them all free shots into the scumpool.

Not all of them will die, certainly, since we don't have a massive amount of vigis and scum surely have medics, but you do NOT look more town after that exchange and gambit, BC.

In addition I think bum actually might be a better choice for vig than ey215.

ey215 has a good point in that he actually didn't switch off zeks onto palmar. He switched onto prpl.

Bum you make some excuse about having a reason for your vote switch but it was obvious that ninja was premeditated. You did it like 10 minutes before lynch and your reasoning was really freaking bad.

Good job on pissing all over Palmar's credibility though, that really worked. Now you have to deal with me, and I don't go down without a fight.


I can forgive that you don't immediately see that logic, just don't go making 100% wrong assumptions and make it seem like you are helping town by that.


lolol..

bum you're a good player, so why have you had no analysis that's worth a damn this game?


I did make an analysis of supersoft, but I am starting to doubt it, since serejai is probably scum, and barely anyone shared the sentiment. Just because I don't talk as much as you doesn't mean I'm not "worth a damn"
Together but separate, like oatmeal
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
November 30 2011 06:17 GMT
#3935
On November 30 2011 15:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 15:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
like the only thing that's keeping me from calling you town is that moronic shit you did with Zeks.

He was a confirmed liar and you kept defending him and you sounded like such a politician.

It was just mindbogglingly dense to me, both you and Ace. I just didn't get it.



Zeks was being hardcore tunneled right from the getgo. He was getting mass sheep votes. The amount of "analysis done of him" was after he was linked to clues. All the shit on him looked insanely forced. Was my defense of him the best in the world? fuck no. When I said "hey guys lets not lynch just off clues" and people were still fucking doing it you can see where i get quickly worried and tunnel vision goes on.


That was fine until the miller softclaim.

You are trying to tell me that zeks being voted for clue analysis was dumber than defending his choice to lie in order to confuse town?

Zeks said
1. The clues kinda point at me
2. I ~might~ be a miller thought I would say that cuz I think i got scanned (ya he says I think I got scanned then softclaims miller)
3. Actually Im a vig

Your comment on that is that he was playing well? He was protecting his town power role from the mafia?
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
November 30 2011 06:19 GMT
#3936
On November 30 2011 15:07 sinani206 wrote:
Since I'm probably gonna die tonight for that analysis on wbg, I might as well claim. I was a detective and I got guilty on wbg. I claimed vet earlier to keep from dying n1. I doubt that I'm paranoid/insane or that he was framed because of his truly scummy play. So, gg all.


Wait wait wait what?

You claimed vet and that you got hit right? Doesn't that mean the scum will be able to know you are lieing and probably hiding some kind of power role?

Telling us you got hit and then having that be a lie is a lie that only effected the town cuz the mafia will very well know who they hit.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 30 2011 06:20 GMT
#3937
On November 30 2011 15:17 bumatlarge wrote:
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On November 30 2011 15:13 wherebugsgo wrote:
On November 30 2011 15:11 bumatlarge wrote:
On November 30 2011 15:06 wherebugsgo wrote:
On November 30 2011 14:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 30 2011 14:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
On November 30 2011 14:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 30 2011 14:50 wherebugsgo wrote:
stop calling me dbg damn it

I already posted one earlier.There were 7 people involved.

The thing is that it's very scummy for people to have been on both Palmar and me, because voting me was essentially an abstention. Both cases were total trash and only supported because Ace was an idiot.

I want to hear what sandro has to say. That slippery bastard left the thread over 9 hours ago. He hasn't done anything yet.

He very well could be scum too, but gah...idk...this vote switch incriminates so many people, I just can't wrap my head around a gamble that stupid.

The only explanation that makes sense to me is that BC is scum. Otherwise why would such a huge gambit be necessary?If BC is scum he's easily the most important scum member and he'd definitely be worth 10 other scum, let alone 6.



Dude, As scum with the names of the bodyguards palmar would be dead night 1. Period, dead. As i said earlier in the thread I would have been lynched instantly and I would have lul's you to hell.



no because you would be an autolynch day 2 if that were to happen.

Don't be stupid, this is terrible reasoning.


No its not? day 2 deny double lynch, remove 8 town players factor in modkills, misslynch day 1? You'd be fucked right now and you know it. All of day 1 would have been made useless and double lynches would be instantly locked as of day 2 lynch. Unless town is stacked with vigi's who shoot properly or loaded with medics who make amazing saves chances are double lynches are needed. Me for locking down that much town kp is worth it. Factor in that I have no idea if any or how many of the bgs are red? I potentially could have still been killing the mayor + a ton of vets. The tradeoff to trade 1 for a fuck ton of people would have been worth it.

Did you read the last game where I was scum? I personally directed a town suicide hater onto a lurking mafia (the first mafia death of the game) purely to gain town cred and make sure his hit did not hit an active member of my team. Trading 1 mafia for insane chaos / tons of town deaths is worth the trade regardless of who the mafia member is.


modkills wtf

Okay so you want me to believe, that scum did this massive gambit, ONLY to kill Palmar....for the lulz?

the top four vote-getters were you, prpl, Palmar, and zeks. Zeks is confirmed scum, Palmar confirmed town.

That most likely means prpl was scum, or you were scum, or both of you were scum.

I'm want to believe that BOTH of you were scum, since your reasoning for defending zeks was piss poor and you are certainly more than capable of looking like town after such a massive ballsy gambit.

Yeah, scum just sacced 6 people but they wouldn't sac 6 people just to kill the mayor. Even if you just kill the mayor with a town sheriff town still has all the double lynches and most of the electoral office power at its disposal. That would be a massively terrible trade seeing as we certainly have vigilantes and that basically just gives them all free shots into the scumpool.

Not all of them will die, certainly, since we don't have a massive amount of vigis and scum surely have medics, but you do NOT look more town after that exchange and gambit, BC.

In addition I think bum actually might be a better choice for vig than ey215.

ey215 has a good point in that he actually didn't switch off zeks onto palmar. He switched onto prpl.

Bum you make some excuse about having a reason for your vote switch but it was obvious that ninja was premeditated. You did it like 10 minutes before lynch and your reasoning was really freaking bad.

Good job on pissing all over Palmar's credibility though, that really worked. Now you have to deal with me, and I don't go down without a fight.


I can forgive that you don't immediately see that logic, just don't go making 100% wrong assumptions and make it seem like you are helping town by that.


lolol..

bum you're a good player, so why have you had no analysis that's worth a damn this game?


I did make an analysis of supersoft, but I am starting to doubt it, since serejai is probably scum, and barely anyone shared the sentiment. Just because I don't talk as much as you doesn't mean I'm not "worth a damn"


No, I think you're worth a damn as town.

I just think it's extraordinarily weird that, as town, you actually haven't done anything that makes me believe you are town.

I responded to your case on supersoft. Did you see it? Sandro ended up agreeing with me that SS is probably town, and that you are probably scum.

What do you have to say about that?

What do you think of Hier, Benjef, and prplhz?


bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
November 30 2011 06:22 GMT
#3938
Anyway, I need to go to bed, but this is fun, the next few days will be easy methinks. I'd still protect WBG, despite what I've said. I've played with him in almost everygame he's played in here, and I'm far from getting a scum read.
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vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
November 30 2011 06:22 GMT
#3939
sinani206, did you claim that you were hit and are a vet?

I realized that I have marked in my notes just 'claimed vet' which makes alot more sense.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
November 30 2011 06:23 GMT
#3940
On November 30 2011 15:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
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On November 30 2011 15:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 30 2011 15:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
like the only thing that's keeping me from calling you town is that moronic shit you did with Zeks.

He was a confirmed liar and you kept defending him and you sounded like such a politician.

It was just mindbogglingly dense to me, both you and Ace. I just didn't get it.



Zeks was being hardcore tunneled right from the getgo. He was getting mass sheep votes. The amount of "analysis done of him" was after he was linked to clues. All the shit on him looked insanely forced. Was my defense of him the best in the world? fuck no. When I said "hey guys lets not lynch just off clues" and people were still fucking doing it you can see where i get quickly worried and tunnel vision goes on.

Palmar did terrible town play. Did he flip town? Yes but that doesn't make his play solid.


yes, but look at how I reacted to the lynch.

Initially I was against it for the same reasons you were. The miller stuff was just too much to pass up though. LaL ftw.

Why was it that you kept making up hypotheticals about roleclaiming that made absolutely no sense? What did his roleclaiming have to do with the fact that he straight up lied about being a vanilla town and then a vig?



My mindset is far different than most players in this game. If you notice day 1 I was very hesitant to go with LAL as a base rule? I say this because although townies should near almost never lie there are points in which "white lies" are done which can be used to towns advantage. I would never suggest newer players do this, and I would never suggest that most players ever do it to begin with. However players who have been playing for years on TL grew up in an environment where experienced ones know that there are points where you do not want to claim your role. Using miller was a terrible choice but the logic behind "im being tunneled via clues, no one is dumb enough to lynch via first round of clues, there must be something else here. Only a dt check could be screwing me then since no behavioural analysis was done." With that you have to work around the mechanic of the dt. Discussing miller then claiming vig may be bad in terms of claiming miller, but trying to hide your role? A dt would never see blue, just red or green.

Tag in that with how he was being mad tunneled by near everyone and there was almost no defense of him whatsoever I hit the mindset it was a bus on a townie. As such his excuses based on the mindset that I could easily swap into made more sense than they probably should have.
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