Steamship Liquidia (TL Mafia 46)

On November 15 2011 17:46 prplhz wrote:


I think town shouldn't lie and we should discourage that. Look no further than Team Melee Mini Mafia where the esteemed GMarshal provided a prime example of why a strict lynch-all-liars policy isn't always the greatest as it would have lost town that game.

If you are town: do not lie under any circumstances. If you are town and somebody else lies: don't just lynch them because of that alone, even though we have a seemingly unlimited number of lynches at our disposal.

On November 16 2011 01:59 Sabin010 wrote:
I agree about lynching liars, but if we're lynching lurkers because they're not active just doesn't seem to be a good way to go about this. If some one proposes we lynch a lurker, I'm not voting.

On November 16 2011 03:00 Sabin010 wrote:


You know I never thought about it like that.

On November 16 2011 18:23 prplhz wrote:
Yea I like Kenpachi as a lynch too

##Vote Kenpachi

On November 16 2011 12:50 bumatlarge wrote:
Welcome to WBG logic. But that doesn't make what he says untrue, I think chaoser should focus his attention more and prove singleton cases rather then babble on about everything. Doubt he's scum though.

On November 17 2011 06:45 Kenpachi wrote:

what the fuck?

On November 17 2011 06:47 risk.nuke wrote:

If kenpachi is green, then lanaia probably isn't scum.
If kenpachi is red we got a scumkill even if that doesn't necessarily mean lanaia is his buddy.

If lanai is green that means nothing for kenpachis alignment.
If lanai is red then kenpachi is scum.

I think we learn more from knowing kenpachis alignment.

On November 17 2011 06:03 Drazerk wrote:
##vote: Lanaia

No blue would save kenpachi

On November 17 2011 06:21 hyshes wrote:



only scum would defend lurkers.

##vote: Lanaia

On November 17 2011 06:24 Palmar wrote:
Also, Zona, if they're both scum you should probably re-roll the game, sadly.

##Vote Lanaia
##Vote Kenpachi

On November 17 2011 07:51 Palmar wrote:
We're lynching Lanaia no matter what. What she did is extremely poor play on day 1. If you're gonna do something like that, why not take it up with town? You must've known the anti-vote would show up anyway, so you're basically outed as soon as yo use it.

Basically, that play is so bad for town that I see no reason to not lynch her.

As for Kenpachi, well, his sole defense i "town is bad" which is well... fair. But remember, if you are the one who doesn't manage to argue your way out of lynch, both as town and scum, you are actually the worst person of all those bads you're complaining about.

Without exception, the player who gets lynched day 1 is the worst player in the game.

On November 18 2011 07:22 sinani206 wrote:

lololol hypocrite

On November 18 2011 01:45 hyshes wrote:


bold text: no it does not.. lurkers are good for scum. Scum defending a lurker doesn't mean the lurker is scum.

italic text: I did not say that. I said:


This does not imply what you say. It would be weird if lanaia did this as scum knowing we would see the vote.. We can't be sure if she knew.

On November 18 2011 07:46 Kenpachi wrote:
I have reasons to believe Sinani is town. leave Sinani alone!

On November 18 2011 17:32 LSB wrote:
Any bets on whether or not I survive the night?

On November 18 2011 08:09 Forumite wrote:
I don´t know what he´s doing, taunting to make Chaoser slip, or just being irritating, but I don´t like the style. For some reason I often connect acting like this to scum.

##Vote: sinani206

On November 18 2011 11:47 Forumite wrote:


prplhz, sorry buddy but right now you look extremely bad. Your attempt to save sinani was posted moments after he got 14 votes on him, you were active and followed the discussion but didn´t contribute. You didn´t vote nor did you try to dissuade people despite stating that you were against the lynch. You just sat and watched as Town killed Town, without getting involved.
prplhz is Scum

On November 20 2011 00:49 Drazerk wrote:


He's basically me this game which isn't good for anyone

On November 20 2011 22:56 Cyber_Cheese wrote:


I can reasonably see one of the these two scenarios playing out.
Scenario: Palmar is scum, holds a kp and claims a hit.
Benefits: Town cred, advantage in todays Palmar vs Chaoser battle. Gains an extra night to perform any action(s).
Cons: Once Chaoser is lynched, he flips town. Palmar instantly loses town cred, and suddenly becomes a good vigilante target or lynch possibility leading into day 3.

Scenario: Chaoser is scum, Palmar survives hit.
Benefits: Palmar would have died. Chaoser could have claimed WIFOM and potentially escape a lynch.
Cons: Chaoser is subject to extreme scrutiny.

The former seems much more contrived, I'm inclined to believe in simplicity here.

On November 21 2011 20:08 Forumite wrote:

I´m not convinced by his reasoning because nothing he says actually defend what he did. He still thinks he made it clear that he was against a sinani lynch, and that "LESS PEOPLE ON SINANI" was a well thought out post, which should have swayed Town opinion and saved sinani.

On November 19 2011 16:41 prplhz wrote:
I think, in a game with multiple lynches, maybe it's unlikely that we have a ton of vigis. Also, if they had any brains, they wouldn't have shot on night1.

On November 22 2011 06:39 prplhz wrote:
Hmm that sucks. Well I have a pretty powerful blue role but I thought I could wait for a few more votes before claiming and then when I came back I was dead.

Well gg and sorry town.

On November 21 2011 21:39 Palmar wrote:
with only 3 more votes needed to lynch you prplhz, I think this would be a good time to tell us what your role is. The reason being is that it's actually very likely you will be blitzed in the final hours of the day due to people just wanting to achieve a lynch.

The idea is that if you're scum, or even town, you might last-minute claim, which would probably lead to us lynching some ill-advised secondary opinion without much discussion.

So, I don't see any harm in it for town if you just claim right now.

On November 22 2011 07:33 MrZentor wrote:
Okay, I saw Prplhz was being attacked, so I filtered his posts. At first, I thought he seemed scummy, but after I saw his reasoning and how he defended sinani, I decided he was clean.

But then I saw that he defended sinani moments after the final vote was counted. He wanted to make it look like he was defending the innocent guy without actually doing it. This seems pretty suspicious.

##Voterplhz

P.S. I hope that vote worked.

On November 22 2011 08:17 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
He's legit.

@Prplhz
I know that you are town now, so I'll let you make the decision. We are three blues down already, and three possibly four blues are targets for the mafia tonight. (the masons, me, DCLXVI)

With all this in mind, should I rolecall?

On November 22 2011 08:35 Tyrran wrote:
Also, do you have any info from your role that makes you think that DCLXVI is blue and not red ( a yes/no answer is enough)

On November 23 2011 00:05 Sabin010 wrote:
Tyrran I only voted prp because he voted Risk.nuke who had been playing a great game for us all game.

On November 19 2011 17:52 Sabin010 wrote:
Rebirthoflegend dude I hope you're not mafia because I had a list of six guys who were potential mafia, and I'm really drunk rigght now, but if I was right we got at least 3 of these guys (Bumatlarge, DCLXVI, Drazerk, Zephirdd, Tyrran, Cyber_Cheese) as mafia. I made a post earlier expaining how I came to the conclusion, but after seeing a new person and being drunk on a friday night lets lynch them.

On November 16 2011 01:59 Sabin010 wrote:
I agree about lynching liars, but if we're lynching lurkers because they're not active just doesn't seem to be a good way to go about this. If some one proposes we lynch a lurker, I'm not voting.

On November 23 2011 00:05 Sabin010 wrote:
Lets use our roles wisely tonight. We still have a chance at breaking this game wide open.
Tyrran I only voted prp because he voted Risk.nuke who had been playing a great game for us all game.

On November 23 2011 00:48 Palmar wrote:
So, I've been having a conversation in another thread.

How does everyone like my new plan "Just do whatever Palmar tells us to do"?

Everyone in favor go ahead and give me a ##Fistpound

On November 22 2011 10:55 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Tyrran wasn't roleblocked or attacked, he was relatively new, showing some of the better logic in the game. Unless someone else claims a medic role, I'm willing to believe that two exsist, and the second is DCLXVI.

On November 22 2011 09:00 DCLXVI wrote:
I can confirm that I did visit tyrran last night, I wish you had roleclaimed that earlier prplhz. For what its worth I did not protect Palmar last night, leading me to doubt his claim.

On November 22 2011 11:01 DCLXVI wrote:
Much better than a medic in some ways, but with a drawback to even it out, somewhat. I doubt Palmars claim because I don't think there is a third medic role

On November 23 2011 12:44 Nisani201 wrote:
Do you realize that there is no actual case against me? I have been using logic and reason this entire game. That is why I am voting DCLXVI. Think before you vote. I know you like Palmar but you have to realize that he's manipulating you.

On November 23 2011 18:47 Palmar wrote:


I have already explained that there is no mechanic in my role that allows me to survive night hits.

On November 23 2011 20:00 Palmar wrote:
Technically I'd be okay with mass lynching everyone except hyshes, lol.

But I think Zona put some mechanics to prevent that into the game.

##Vote: Coagulation
##Vote: Sabin010
##Vote: xsksc
You lurkers unburrow just to lynch an innocent WITHOUT any justification at all, and completely disregarding the post where I understand that prp is a potential blue ( yes i called him vigi which he denied but still) and Palmar huge post in his defence. You are either scum or really crappy town, i dont want you in the game either way.

On November 23 2011 17:24 Palmar wrote:
About RebirthOfLeGenD, as much as it pains me to say it, that despite his awful play so far, there is no reason to believe he is scum, unless you believe Hiroruby was the mafia godfather. So I'm not willing to look at any case against him today. I would much rather we focus on chaoser (or his replacement), 666, or perhaps even nisani201, who I'm starting to lean scum on again.

On November 23 2011 23:30 GreYMisT wrote:


Why on earth would you post your blue reads in the thread?

On November 24 2011 00:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Anyone else want to contribute?
Zephirdd, Nisani, DCLXVI, Greymist, Cyber_cheese, Lanaia, Forumite
These 7, kill them all. I welcome analysis on them if anyone wants to do it.

On November 24 2011 00:53 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
As for those who stand out more scummy, I read a bit more of the the thread and Forumite, Greymist, Nisani, Zephirdd seem the most scummy out of my list. I'd suggest everyone at least vote for them.

On November 23 2011 18:37 Tyrran wrote:
Okay, here is my blue reads :

Lanaia : She made a dumb mistake in the early game, revealing her double vote ability. In addition to that, she migth have a weak pardonner role, as she thought for a moment to be able to save prplhz.

Cyber_cheeze : He his a powerful version of a Watcher. Look at this post :
He seems to know what happened to me during day nigth, so i'd say he is a mixup between a watcher and a rolecop. (maybe with a drawback of some kind as this role seems a bit too powerful).

hysche : With Drazerk revealed as the weak Mason, i think we can all safely assume that hysche is the strong Mason. He is likely a Mason/Bulletproof mixup.


DCLXVI: Kenpachi role was revealed as the Newbie Doctor. I beleive DCLXVI is an experienced doctor . Please have a look at :. and
From this I deduce that it is likely that DCLXIV is able to protect multiple target during one nigth !, but with a drawback ( usable only once/ not every nigth?)

EVERYONE PLEASE UNVOTE DCLXVI. I DO NOT WANT ANOTHER BLUE LYNCH TODAY

On November 24 2011 01:17 Nisani201 wrote:
If I get lynched, and flip town, will you guys kill Palmar/WBG for me?

On November 24 2011 02:09 Kibibit wrote:

I'll step out here then, since I'm trying to be less confused here. Is there any particular reason I'm not on that short list? I've lurked fairly hard and I did vote prplhz.I'm willing to go over my reasoning as to why. Right now, my activity pretty much puts me up on the chopping block without much defense to go on if we lynch any more townies.

On November 24 2011 18:52 Palmar wrote:
I just want to voice my disagreement with any plans of lynching more than at most 2 people.

On November 24 2011 19:15 Palmar wrote:
I will hand out my suggestions in a timely manner, I do have to re-read a few people to settle down. I am alarmed by your inclination of believing every blue claim there is out there Tyrran. Let's take for example Cyber-cheese and DCLXVI, they were put in a position where not claiming a blue role would mean they're lying and should be lynched.

So, neither of their claims should be taken for granted. I am not saying that we should outright lynch one or two of them, but for example Cyber-cheese's claim of tracking you sounds a little absurd, doesn't it? I mean, why would someone hunting for mafia on day 1 track a player that's pretty much accepted as a very likely town?

On November 25 2011 01:15 Forumite wrote:

Number of times a player has voted on Nisani201
bumatlarge (3)
wherebugsgo (3) --> I have a town read on him, but i'm less convinced than for others.
Palmar (2)
Drazerk (2)
GreYMisT (2)
DCLXVI (2)
Lemonwalrus (1)
xsksc (1)
RebirthOfLeGenD (1)
MrZentor (1)
Tyrran (1)
Coagulation (1)
sinani206 (1)
Cyber_Cheese (2-1=1)
Lanaia (1-0=1)

On November 25 2011 01:21 Forumite wrote:
And no, voting for Nisani201 doesn´t make you scum, but if Scum wanted Town to lynch Nisani201 on their own, then those who voted several times, like WBG, would be poor targets for a Nightkill. I dont get your argument. If Nisani was scum, then wouldnt those who voted several time for him make very GOOD target for a nigthkill ?

Including D3 votes when considering N2 kills might not make much sense, so below is the list for only D1 and D2.

Day 1:
Nisani201 (6): bumatlarge, wherebugsgo, Palmar, Drazerk, GreYMisT, sinani206 --> Palmar was hit

Day 2:
Nisani201 (9): Drazerk, wherebugsgo, Lanaia, Lemonwalrus, xsksc, Cyber_Cheese, DCLXVI, Cyber_Cheese, GreYMisT, Lanaia, bumatlarge --> Drazerk was killed

On November 23 2011 01:32 Tyrran wrote:


You just gave the worst possible excuse. Prplhz made a case against risk.nuke, who succefully defended himself and nothing happened. THAT WAS GOOD. That's how mafia is supposed to be played. Player put pressure on each other to make them slip. You played IRL mafia, how do you not know this ? You voted against prp because he played good. You dont lynch people because they made a case against someone else. you suspect them because of this, you build a case against them and if they fail to defend themself you lynch them.

Quite frankly, this look like a scum, wondering "Can I safely bandwagon? Oh yeah he voted for a town so i'm safe".

Oh and going trough your filter i find this :



Lynching 6 people on day 2 ? Really ? You are obviously using the fact that Ken and Sinani played bad in order to lynch as much town as possible.( I take good not that 4 out of 6 are likely town, and 2 of them are blue. Thank god nobody listen to you). This has to be the most mafia oriented play yet. Yes you had to be drunk to post something like this. How did we not lynch you? Oh rigth, because you are lurking and not getting any attention. Typical mafia play again.

Also, I'm not forgetting that this makes a lot of sense if you are mafia and you intent to lurk a lot.

And last but not least :
Saying obvious stuff without contributing a bit. Mafia play again.

You have so many scummy play in so little post, I will definitely try to get you lynched on day 3. And if i dont survive nigth 2, I hope someone else will remind town to lynch you.

On November 25 2011 03:30 Forumite wrote:

Scum wanted today to be spent lynching Nisani, so they killed a few players who didn´t care about lynching Nisani. After 2 failed attempts to kill Nisani to frustrate Town, and now with less people who think he is town/don´t care either way, the Nisani lynch was made much easier. Scum are manipulating the lynches, that shouldn´t be a surprise.

When looking at it like that, it´s possible that Drazerk was killed by a Vigilante, in order to confirm hyshes.

On November 25 2011 08:12 Forumite wrote:

Why doesn´t it make sense? If Nisani was Scum, wouldn´t Scum have killed Palmar or WBG, or someone else actually out to lynch palmar, in order to get some pressure off of him? Shooting those NOT pushing Nisani means that Nisani dies, it´s simple and direct, and if Nisani is Town then it´s also Pro-Scum to do this, because 5/6 of the day was spent dealing with Nisani. We always lynch our first 12 hours before deadline, then rush secondary lynches, so one obvious target for the day means Town basically waste the day.

Why vote now, and not a few hours ago when I posted the analysis?

On November 25 2011 18:19 Palmar wrote:
Lynch me please

##Vote Palmar

I have no interest in playing with people who don't want to try. I am sorry for signing up for this game.

On November 25 2011 18:55 Forumite wrote:

Fine. If you want to do a weird stunt then I´ll oblige. If Palmar is calling people bad for doubting him, and now wants to fake giving up, then I´ll help, because acting like that warrants a lynch.

##Vote: Palmar

On November 25 2011 19:42 Palmar wrote:
Killing these people (+ the people who don't care) should be a good idea.

Something like


##Vote Cyber_Cheese
##Vote Forumit
##Vote Sabin010
##Vote DCLXVI
##Vote xsksc

Let's leave the others for now.



Can I request Coagulation be modkilled for inactivity? In addition Kibibit should be pretty close to a modkill.

On November 25 2011 20:08 Forumite wrote:

I can´t know if 1 is true, and 2 isn´t required, it´s just a general sense of the defence. You can´t honestly say that the last turn, Palmar calling everyone bad, isn´t more focused on the voter rather than defending Palmar.

This isn´t an exact science, scum know what Chainsaw Defence is and will try to avoid it, but this affair with Palmar giving up, and you and Tyrran defending him unquestioningly, reminds me of a Scum Chainsaw Defence, because of the coordination and focus on throwing doubt on the attacker.

On November 25 2011 19:58 Forumite wrote:
Hmmm. Right now I´m being voted on by the three musketeers (Palmar, WBG Tyrran), Coag (votes everyone), Zeph (OMGUS), Bum and RoL. Only Bum and RoL stand out, I expected the others.

On November 25 2011 21:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
mmkay, I was right about why you said that then ^^ I didn't make it overly obvious since I didn't want other people correctly seeing what I saw. (namely, scum)

On November 26 2011 17:46 DCLXVI wrote:
Why wouldn't you put lanaia as pretty much confirmed town? We have seen what her role can do and its seems to be the perfect town aligned counterpart to Coag's role. I cannot imagine there being 2 mafia magicians or whatever.

I think I will finish claiming in the morning. There is no point doing so now. I will advise detectives to not waste a check on me, I am a miller.

On November 27 2011 14:38 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

Or unless the hit didn't happen and he planned on having a scum mate eventually claim medic if no real medic did.
Also, you mis-spelt my name.
I'll be posting much more about how Palmar is scum today, I suggest you guys hold off on the knee-jerk votes and hear me out, there is another 44 hours, and we can't afford to be wrong.

On November 29 2011 22:03 Zephirdd wrote:
Also, tomorrow we enter LYLO. I hope we don't die. I'm inclined to think that bumatlarge and Tyrran/Greymist are the mafia at this point. They are the three "vanillas"(bum never claimed).