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On November 20 2011 14:41 prplhz wrote:
guys I don't think prplhz is scum, here is why...
The case against me today is the following: before sinani206 was lynched I wrote in caps that I thought that people should stop voting for him. Since it was in caps, I clearly did not mean what I was saying. This means that I am scum.
I disagree with this. You are distorting what really happened, and why you are being voted on. It´s not only that you made your defence of sinani hard to understand AND to take seriously, it´s also that for some reason you think it was all an adequate defence, and have accused the rest of Town for not taking it seriously. I´ve suspected that scum wouldn´t go on both bandwagons. The one on kenpachi filled up faster, which suggest that the one on sinani had fewer scum on it. If prplhz was Town then he would have stopped posting in all caps for a moment, and posted his REAL defence of sinani 15 minutes earlier and saved him. Scum prplhz instead avoided jumping on the wagon, divorced himself of guilt by making a the weakest of token defences in sinani´s favor, all so he could accuse the Townies who mislynched sinani of being scum.
prplhz, I really don´t think you are a bad player. Despite what happened in that game, your bait posts in TMMM was an effective way to start the day, it generated some discussion and got people active even if it didn´t help find scum directly. However that´s not the way to behave right before a lynch you are against. When you defend a Townie who is about to be lynched, you drop all attempts to bait scum, and post reasoned posts in defence of the candidate. You don´t care if scum and Town both read what you have to say, because you are only aiming to convince Town. You definetly don´t post in all caps, because noone will take posts like that seriously, you know this. Even you must know that your attempt to stop the lynch didn´t have any hope of changing the outcome, so why was that all you did to defend sinani? I´m always coming back to the question of motivation, and the only two possible reasons to act like you did around the lynch is that you are scum or an idiot, but as I don´t think you are this bad as a player, the only possible reason must be that you are scum.
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On November 20 2011 18:42 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 14:52 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:@ForumiteLSB is not going to be replaced due to inactivity. Expecting your read on him, preferably after the daypost. Given what the daypost contained, I can't help but ask...why did you want me to post my read on him after the daypost rather than before? Scum don´t shoot those they think are going to be lynched anyway. If you have a solid case on LSB and present it during the night, this will probably causes scum to avoid LSB, expecting Day 2 to be spent killing LSB. If scum don´t know who Town want to lynch the next day, then they might kill off a few of the suspects for the next days lynch. Scum always kill townies, but if they are not sure about Towns opinions, then they might kill off suspicious Townies instead of confirmed Townies. This is why I often urge analysis to be posted the next day or 2 minutes before the daypost, to give scum as little information to base their nightkill on as possible.
This should only be followed if you believe you're safe.
If you think you're a scum target and you might die, you should always publish your reads before the night is over.
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On November 20 2011 19:52 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 18:42 Forumite wrote:On November 20 2011 14:52 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:@ForumiteLSB is not going to be replaced due to inactivity. Expecting your read on him, preferably after the daypost. Given what the daypost contained, I can't help but ask...why did you want me to post my read on him after the daypost rather than before? Scum don´t shoot those they think are going to be lynched anyway. If you have a solid case on LSB and present it during the night, this will probably causes scum to avoid LSB, expecting Day 2 to be spent killing LSB. If scum don´t know who Town want to lynch the next day, then they might kill off a few of the suspects for the next days lynch. Scum always kill townies, but if they are not sure about Towns opinions, then they might kill off suspicious Townies instead of confirmed Townies. This is why I often urge analysis to be posted the next day or 2 minutes before the daypost, to give scum as little information to base their nightkill on as possible. This should only be followed if you believe you're safe. If you think you're a scum target and you might die, you should always publish your reads before the night is over.
Correct, but posting 2 minutes before night is over is better than posting at the beginning of the night, so that if scum want to change their nightkill based on last minute information, then at least their decision will be rushed. With 72 hours day-phase, there are few things that can´t wait until the day.
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On November 20 2011 14:41 prplhz wrote:guys I don't think prplhz is scum, here is why... - bumarlarge: Voted for me yesterday with a half-arsed case. Today he's just voting me.
- risk.nuke: Saying he went over my filter and now he's just voting me.
- Kibibit: Just voting me from his phone.
- hyshes: His reason to vote for me was that he plainly states that he thought I was talking shit when I wrote something in caps. It's my fault he lynched sinani206 because he thought I was talking shit! Also, apparently scum don't have time to read his filter but townies do. This logic doesn't hold.
- Drazerk: He is voting for me because I remind him of himself. What the fuck is this?
- Nisani201: Parroting Forumite.
i didn't say that. You said you glanzed at my filter.. but then decided not to read it? That tells me you didn't even glanzed at it.. You didn't even bother to open my filter. You can read my filter on like 5min.. You just wanted to make a statement there.
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On November 20 2011 14:41 prplhz wrote:guys I don't think prplhz is scum, here is why... - Drazerk: He is voting for me because I remind him of himself. What the fuck is this?
Difference is I was intentionally scum baiting knowing I couldn't be lynched where you have actually been playing bad
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On November 19 2011 20:03 Palmar wrote:
For the record, directing blues and posting town reads is not bad town play.
If you only post scum reads, you're by extension saying everyone else must be town, all I do by adding my town reads is explaining the thought process behind it for extra transparency.
And directing blues seems to be working out okay, it seems we have at least one competent medic. ♥
I'm not sure what this makes you cheese, I mean, you do ridiculous shit when you're scum, but I remember your town play from cosmic horror mafia, which makes me think that using terrible logic may not be a scumtell for you.
That game was an embarrassment.
I don't agree with the must be town by extension. I don't know about you, but I form a list of people that are more likely to be scum than others, and vote on the ones that make it near the top.
Mafia are inclined to look to attack into the more townie looking players. If we go around posting those people, especially at night, it's more likely that the mafia will want to kill them.
If we don't mention these people, mafia has to wade through 80% of the players in the game and attempt to choose people they think town might trust, and that's harder to do if I learnt anything in LotR/PYP:I.
If anything, I could see more use in a fake list of town reads during the night to attempt to direct mafia KP away from the townies you want to keep if possible. If lying about your reads seems like a better idea than giving them and praying the medic listens and gets lucky, it doesn't seem like a very townie thing to do.
On November 20 2011 03:13 chaoser wrote:
In ER, posting from phone, 9th hour here, hopefully can be home for dinner
##unvote: Drazerk
I don't believe Palmar's shot claim
I will be only voting for palmar today
if you are undecided, vote for both me and palmar
I disagree with killing both of you. This is a good opportunity for scum to make sure that if they get unlucky and lose in this Palmar vs you, that you at least take one of the better townies with you.
If one of you flips town, I would be heavily inclined to lynch/vigi the other instead. If that one flips scum instead, we effectively save a townie we didn't need to lose.
I can reasonably see one of the these two scenarios playing out.
Scenario: Palmar is scum, holds a kp and claims a hit.
Benefits: Town cred, advantage in todays Palmar vs Chaoser battle. Gains an extra night to perform any action(s).
Cons: Once Chaoser is lynched, he flips town. Palmar instantly loses town cred, and suddenly becomes a good vigilante target or lynch possibility leading into day 3.
Scenario: Chaoser is scum, Palmar survives hit.
Benefits: Palmar would have died. Chaoser could have claimed WIFOM and potentially escape a lynch.
Cons: Chaoser is subject to extreme scrutiny.
The former seems much more contrived, I'm inclined to believe in simplicity here.
##Vote: Chaoser
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I've been really busy, and I won't have much time, what time I have will be spent re-visiting my chaoser case, looking in-depth at DCXLVI or whatever order those letters are in, and possibly check out lemonwalrus. I'm on the fence on prplhz as I had a town read on him initially in the game, but I haven't re-read his efforts since day 1.
I'm inclined to believe the mason claim, because they're essentially tied up now, all it takes is a rogue cop or vigilante to flip/check one of them and their cute little adventure is over.
This is good because they were two people who were giving us a really hard time reading them. I still stand by my day 1 read of chaoser. I think my views in that battle do not need to be clarified further, I've said almost everything that needs saying about him.
##vote Chaoser
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On November 20 2011 22:56 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I can reasonably see one of the these two scenarios playing out.
Scenario: Palmar is scum, holds a kp and claims a hit.
Benefits: Town cred, advantage in todays Palmar vs Chaoser battle. Gains an extra night to perform any action(s).
Cons: Once Chaoser is lynched, he flips town. Palmar instantly loses town cred, and suddenly becomes a good vigilante target or lynch possibility leading into day 3.
Scenario: Chaoser is scum, Palmar survives hit.
Benefits: Palmar would have died. Chaoser could have claimed WIFOM and potentially escape a lynch.
Cons: Chaoser is subject to extreme scrutiny.
The former seems much more contrived, I'm inclined to believe in simplicity here.
While this seems extremely reasonable, It also led us to lynching kenpachi. I will be reviewing Chaoser case later, and i'm also waiting for palmar analysis before choosing to vote or not against Chaoser.
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Has RoL posted anything yet?
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On November 20 2011 23:32 Forumite wrote:
Has RoL posted anything yet?
Answering my own question.
Yes, RoL is here, and has posted 4 posts. He posted that he didn´t believe that Palmar was hit, but otherwise not much interesting from him so far.
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I don't want to be modkilled.
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On November 21 2011 02:16 DCLXVI wrote:
I don't want to be modkilled.
You need to post more often then to avoid getting modkilled or you will be mobkilled.
Mob: as in angry crowd with torches and pitchforkes.
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On November 21 2011 02:16 DCLXVI wrote:
I don't want to be modkilled.
How about avoiding a modkill with a useful post.
You voted Kibibit yesterday
+ Show Spoiler [Your analysis] +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366¤tpage=18#343
Do you think anything has changed? If yes, details. Will you be voting Kibibit again? If both are no, why?
During writing this, I checked Kibibit's filter and he's at MLG so I'm willing to cut him some slack.
Same questions, new subject, Sabin010
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366¤tpage=19#364
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On November 21 2011 02:16 DCLXVI wrote:
I don't want to be modkilled.
I have the perfect solution to your problem, simply answer the following few questions, which will take care of your modkill anxiety, and hopefully most of your mobkillproblems too.
What do you think about prplhz? What is the most important reason that you think that? (that´s two questions)
Hyshes and Drazerk, both Town or both Scum?
Point out two players, NOT among the usual suspects, that you are suspicious of.
Point out a third player, this time one who you think needs to contribute more, and if not is a candidate for a lurker lynch.
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DCLXVI
Why don't you put something into this thread instead of just saying literally nothing. What do you think about Tyrren?
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On November 21 2011 02:43 prplhz wrote:
DCLXVI
Why don't you put something into this thread instead of just saying literally nothing. What do you think about Tyrren?
That's twice you've asked about Tyrren, how do you feel about him?
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The only un-scummy thing he has done so far is to not vote on sinani's lynch (and he will never stop pointing that out to us). He flipped back onto Drazerk yesterday when it looked like he may be able to get a lynch. He is focusing on Palmar who in the face of the shot claim without offering any sort of reasoning. His case against WBG seems to be entirely "if you vote me I'm going to vote you right back." And his vote for prplhz has very little explanation, and in my eyes is just because it looks like he might be able to get him lynched. I find this enough to put my vote on him.
##Vote: Nisani201
I'm still undecided about chaoser...this game is hard. 
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##Vote: Prplhz
I was sitting on this a while, it's very hard to tell his alignment.
this is my reasoning
I feel it's more about his failure to admit to his 'defence' being terrible, yet continuing to bring it up that makes him scummy here. His logic is bad and he knows it, and yet he keeps using it, because he was on the right side of the lynch.
On November 17 2011 19:44 Coagulation wrote:
Cause people love lists
chaoser
wherebugsgo
Drazerk
bumatlarge
theres scum in there somewhere.
This list, what was it supposed to be of? One in those four people is scum? Why them? How exactly is that a better chance than say any other list of four townies?
On November 20 2011 04:21 Coagulation wrote:
edit formatting
##vote: lemonwalrus
##vote: BumatLarge
should be self explanatory.
It isn't self-explanatory. Spell it out for me.
Other than that, his filter is here, he casts doubt on townies but nothing solid enough to actually link him to starting a bandwagon on any of them.
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=22673
##Vote: Coagulation
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Hmm just realised that underlined section doesn't look like a link. It leads back to an older post of mine.
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