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On November 20 2011 05:11 GreYMisT wrote:
The phrase "guys I don't think sinani is scum, here is why..." sounds a lot more rational and thought out than STOP VOTING. All caps implies that you have to add emphasis to your wrods because they lack depth/meaning. I wouldn't be surprised if more people feel the same. Also, you didn't say "stop voting", you said "less on sinani" which forumite pointed out earlier does not adequately get you point across.
I very much agree with this post.
And I've reread this entire thread and I'm having trouble. Very few people scream out to me anything that isn't null.
This is basically all gut. I currently believe Nisani to be scum.
##vote:Nisani201
I would like to hear more from Coagulation and bumatlarge as well, though.
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On November 20 2011 07:21 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 05:11 GreYMisT wrote:
The phrase "guys I don't think sinani is scum, here is why..." sounds a lot more rational and thought out than STOP VOTING. All caps implies that you have to add emphasis to your wrods because they lack depth/meaning. I wouldn't be surprised if more people feel the same. Also, you didn't say "stop voting", you said "less on sinani" which forumite pointed out earlier does not adequately get you point across.
I very much agree with this post. And I've reread this entire thread and I'm having trouble. Very few people scream out to me anything that isn't null. This is basically all gut. I currently believe Nisani to be scum. ##vote:Nisani201 I would like to hear more from Coagulation and bumatlarge as well, though.
You forgot a space
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On November 20 2011 07:22 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 07:21 Lanaia wrote:On November 20 2011 05:11 GreYMisT wrote:
The phrase "guys I don't think sinani is scum, here is why..." sounds a lot more rational and thought out than STOP VOTING. All caps implies that you have to add emphasis to your wrods because they lack depth/meaning. I wouldn't be surprised if more people feel the same. Also, you didn't say "stop voting", you said "less on sinani" which forumite pointed out earlier does not adequately get you point across.
I very much agree with this post. And I've reread this entire thread and I'm having trouble. Very few people scream out to me anything that isn't null. This is basically all gut. I currently believe Nisani to be scum. ##vote:Nisani201 I would like to hear more from Coagulation and bumatlarge as well, though. You forgot a space
On November 17 2011 08:16 ZBot wrote:
Votes can now have any number of spaces between "Vote:" and the player's name (even zero) and be considered valid
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Forgot that the change included zero - my bad
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On November 20 2011 06:47 prplhz wrote:
Writing in caps isn't acting like an idiot by default. Am I the only one who actually reads the thread? I've seen a ton of people saying "okay I'm ignoring you because you're a moron" to one another but I always thought it was a joke. You read the fucking thread and don't discard people's opinion before reading just because you think they are moronic. Where is that Incognito post where he says this pretty clearly? It's been quoted like 10 times since I joined these forums.
no, it isn't, but to a lot of people it screams "IGNORE ME"
If you post nothing but all caps one liners then people will just pretend you don't exist. You need to use logic and reason to convince people.
If you don't bother reading or if you don't bother reasoning out your arguments people will either call you dumb, ignore you, or think you're scum and try to kill you.
If you scream one liners and then ask why no one listened to you, then you're an idiot.
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On November 20 2011 04:23 prplhz wrote:
This is insanity, I wrote before he was hammered that I wanted less people to vote for him. How is this subtly wanting him dead? I never called for a lynch on sinani206 at all, a lot of people voted him for shitty reasons and you should look at them instead. Look at people who voted him even though they know his meta. Look at hyshes who just ignored everything and played the newbie card voting for a guy in spite of all warnings. This is the kind of play I would expect from scum, and I think you would have used this argument sooner if I hadn´t called you out during the night. If Town mislynch on their own, then Scum makes the most of it, both by getting Towncred by staying away from the lynch, and also throw Town into confusion by pushing whoever was on the lynch.
On November 20 2011 04:04 DCLXVI wrote:also forumite, why did you react so harshly to coag's post? While I agree that he should have done what he asked in the post, it just seems to me you over reacted. Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 20:42 Forumite wrote:On November 19 2011 12:31 Coagulation wrote:
Well looks like we lost the one voice of reason in a giant screaming derp fest.
wasnt LSB taking bets that he would be killed night 1?
Should probably go back and see who responded to that and how. If you are going to accuse me of something, why don´t you just go out and say it? You know that I, and perhaps others, answered LSB's post, me with how I thought it was unlikely he would get shot. Does that make me scum now? Because it really sounds like you WANT to accuse me of being scum without having to say it out loud, and I can´t find a reason for you to want to do that unless you are either terribly lazy and didn´t bother to check the relevant posts, or you are doing some sneaky anti-Town play. We want Transparency, say what you want to say, don´t just drop hints. Hinting vaguely is just one way to avoid guilt, drop hints to make Town focus on a player, then divorce yourself from the bandwagon by explaining that your hints meant something else. I don´t have to spell out that this is a tactic for Scum, not Town. ##Vote: prplhz Yeah, I know I overreacted, but I got angry. A player who is playing scummy, makes a scummy and underhanded attempt to throw around suspicion without taking any responsibility himself. It looked like textbook scumplay, and I felt a need to call him out on it.
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lol kibi 
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On November 20 2011 10:10 Kibibit wrote:
##vote:prplhz
this wins so many points
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Lol, trying to post from phone
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guys I don't think prplhz is scum, here is why...
The case against me today is the following: before sinani206 was lynched I wrote in caps that I thought that people should stop voting for him. Since it was in caps, I clearly did not mean what I was saying. This means that I am scum.
I disagree with this.
My play so far this game has been: First I argued with Cyber_Cheese for some time about policy lynches. I don't like policy lynches, especially lurker lynches because, as I said in my posts, they are scum favored. Scum will just stop lurking if we start voting for them for lurking while people like Kenpachi will get subtly killed off by mafia. I stopped arguing with Cyber_Cheese when I realized that I'd made my point and arguing over policies is often rather pointless, it defeats the point of the policies if it appears that we don't agree on them.
After that I started posting one liners in caps. There was not a single one of these one liners I didn't mean. I wrote in caps one liners because I wanted people to know my opinion but I didn't want any mafia to take me too seriously. I did a somewhat comparable thing in TMMM when I posted without punctuation and it goaded GMarshal into making a terrible case on me. What I said actually made sense, he just jumped me because he didn't like the form. Townies shouldn't do this, they should read the thread and not just say "lol caps = scum". (yes, I was lynched in TMMM day1 but that was because neither me nor my team mate was around in the last 8 hours and town decided to jump on us in the last minute when we couldn't even defend ourselves).
I was the first to vote for Drazerk yesterday because I went through his filter and it was full of non committal stuff, he was voting for Sabin010 because of the mob-incident, this is not the Drazerk I know, that Drazerk is all over the place voting for everybody not just for a guy lying by accident with some poor formulations of his past experience. The Drazerk I know is a boss, not some guy hiding behind a stupid policy for his vote. My vote on Drazerk today wasn't a bandwagon, it was a continuation from yesterday when I was the first one to vote for Drazerk because I thought he was scum. I didn't think he'd done much to shed the suspicion I had on him.
Now can anybody mention any single thing I've that has been scummy? I realize I might not have been overly town, but that does not make me scum by far. But I have been pushing town agenda all game, maybe not as strong as you'd like it, but you can't mention anywhere where I've actually done something scummy. Because I haven't.
The least you can do if you are going to lynch me is not all bandwagon Forumite's case. Write your own case.
- bumarlarge: Voted for me yesterday with a half-arsed case. Today he's just voting me.
- risk.nuke: Saying he went over my filter and now he's just voting me.
- Kibibit: Just voting me from his phone.
- hyshes: His reason to vote for me was that he plainly states that he thought I was talking shit when I wrote something in caps. It's my fault he lynched sinani206 because he thought I was talking shit! Also, apparently scum don't have time to read his filter but townies do. This logic doesn't hold.
- Drazerk: He is voting for me because I remind him of himself. What the fuck is this?
- Nisani201: Parroting Forumite.
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Sorry for being quiet, haven't been feeling 100% today, but I just caught up on the thread. I find Drazerk's method of "baiting" as I think he called it a bit interesting, and don't know how effective it really was. However, unless Hyshes was setting up pretty early on for this fake claim and they are two incredibly ballsy scum, the claim seems valid. I'm a little unsure as to how/why we went so quickly from: today we need to lynch one or both of Chaoser/Palmar -> Palmar claims he was hit -> Drazerk is a mason -> Everyone voting for prplhz.
He ended yesterday with a single vote on him and is already managing 8 (or more? not sure when last zbot update was). That seems a bit fishy to me.
@Forumite
LSB is not going to be replaced due to inactivity. Expecting your read on him, preferably after the daypost. Given what the daypost contained, I can't help but ask...why did you want me to post my read on him after the daypost rather than before?
I mentioned before I didn't like what I saw, and I still don't, so leaving a vote on Lemonwalrus for now.
##Vote: Lemonwalrus
Time to go pass out.
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On November 20 2011 14:41 prplhz wrote:
After that I started posting one liners in caps. There was not a single one of these one liners I didn't mean. I wrote in caps one liners because I wanted people to know my opinion but I didn't want any mafia to take me too seriously. I did a somewhat comparable thing in TMMM when I posted without punctuation and it goaded GMarshal into making a terrible case on me. What I said actually made sense, he just jumped me because he didn't like the form. Townies shouldn't do this, they should read the thread and not just say "lol caps = scum". (yes, I was lynched in TMMM day1 but that was because neither me nor my team mate was around in the last 8 hours and town decided to jump on us in the last minute when we couldn't even defend ourselves).
So you used a technique for finding scum that last time you tried it drew out an accusation from a town member? -_-
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... I said comparable, this wasn't the same. And in last game it was largely agreed upon that the case was shit.
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##Unvote: Drazerk
Unless we got a reason to doubt his mason claim, I guess there's better lynch targets now.
Risk, why are you acusing me of bandwagoning? Drazerk has been my vote since the beginning. My day 2 vote on him was contentless because I already made my case on him day 1.
Prphlz has been on my list of suspicions for a while now, though I don't think the current case on him is strong enough to lynch him with, yet.
Palmar and wherebugsgo, do you still want chaoser lynched? How do you feel about prphlz?
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On November 20 2011 14:52 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:@ForumiteShow nested quote +LSB is not going to be replaced due to inactivity. Expecting your read on him, preferably after the daypost. Given what the daypost contained, I can't help but ask...why did you want me to post my read on him after the daypost rather than before?
Scum don´t shoot those they think are going to be lynched anyway. If you have a solid case on LSB and present it during the night, this will probably causes scum to avoid LSB, expecting Day 2 to be spent killing LSB. If scum don´t know who Town want to lynch the next day, then they might kill off a few of the suspects for the next days lynch. Scum always kill townies, but if they are not sure about Towns opinions, then they might kill off suspicious Townies instead of confirmed Townies. This is why I often urge analysis to be posted the next day or 2 minutes before the daypost, to give scum as little information to base their nightkill on as possible.
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