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The case against me today is the following: before sinani206 was lynched I wrote in caps that I thought that people should stop voting for him. Since it was in caps, I clearly did not mean what I was saying. This means that I am scum. I disagree with this. My play so far this game has been: First I argued with Cyber_Cheese for some time about policy lynches. I don't like policy lynches, especially lurker lynches because, as I said in my posts, they are scum favored. Scum will just stop lurking if we start voting for them for lurking while people like Kenpachi will get subtly killed off by mafia. I stopped arguing with Cyber_Cheese when I realized that I'd made my point and arguing over policies is often rather pointless, it defeats the point of the policies if it appears that we don't agree on them. After that I started posting one liners in caps. There was not a single one of these one liners I didn't mean. I wrote in caps one liners because I wanted people to know my opinion but I didn't want any mafia to take me too seriously. I did a somewhat comparable thing in TMMM when I posted without punctuation and it goaded GMarshal into making a terrible case on me. What I said actually made sense, he just jumped me because he didn't like the form. Townies shouldn't do this, they should read the thread and not just say "lol caps = scum". (yes, I was lynched in TMMM day1 but that was because neither me nor my team mate was around in the last 8 hours and town decided to jump on us in the last minute when we couldn't even defend ourselves). I was the first to vote for Drazerk yesterday because I went through his filter and it was full of non committal stuff, he was voting for Sabin010 because of the mob-incident, this is not the Drazerk I know, that Drazerk is all over the place voting for everybody not just for a guy lying by accident with some poor formulations of his past experience. The Drazerk I know is a boss, not some guy hiding behind a stupid policy for his vote. My vote on Drazerk today wasn't a bandwagon, it was a continuation from yesterday when I was the first one to vote for Drazerk because I thought he was scum. I didn't think he'd done much to shed the suspicion I had on him. Now can anybody mention any single thing I've that has been scummy? I realize I might not have been overly town, but that does not make me scum by far. But I have been pushing town agenda all game, maybe not as strong as you'd like it, but you can't mention anywhere where I've actually done something scummy. Because I haven't. The least you can do if you are going to lynch me is not all bandwagon Forumite's case. Write your own case.
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Why don't you put something into this thread instead of just saying literally nothing. What do you think about Tyrren? | ||
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@wherebugsgo Isn't that exactly what he's doing here? Nisani201 has been on your back since the beginning of this game. I also don't think he's less loud than me, probably more loud. Loud is a bad thing here, Nisani201 is saying stuff like "herp" in caps. | ||
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I used to vote him for bad logic and half arsed cases but he seems genuine enough and I don't think scumatlarge would attract unwarranted attention in this way if he was scum. ##Unvote bumatlarge risk.nuke Since Tyrran's post somehow he became confirmed townie. I don't think he is confirmed townie, I think he is scum. On November 16 2011 22:40 risk.nuke wrote: By giving town his reads, You're right lets kill him. Palmar can't manipulate squat unless you count that because he is sharing his reads and that makes him lean more to town. Because sharing reads is a town move which makes his candidates seem more scum. But this goes for everyone who shares his reads. You want to say that sharing your reads are deceitfull and manipulative. It seems like your point in that statement was to alert people not to follow palmar blindly. Which there was really no risk of happening. To me it looks like a way to make a subtile pro-town post and that's mafia maner. FoS prplhz I never said "kill him", You are putting words in my mouth to make me look worse. I think there was a risk of people trusting Palmar more than they should, there are a lot of new faces in this game and at the point I wasn't very sure of Palmar's alignment and I thought he was taking his "don't worry town, I'm immortal and I'm gonna find all scum for you, just wait" to an extreme. So I warned people. On November 17 2011 02:33 risk.nuke wrote: Wbg be mindfull so you don't accidently start tunneling. In this post he is very subtly defending chaoser by telling wherebugsgo not to focus on him. wherebugsgo's tunneling style can be very effective and even chaoser could easily fall to it. I have a slight scum read on chaoser so this makes me think that risk.nuke is more scum. On November 17 2011 06:32 risk.nuke wrote: Okey, but isn't this exacly one of those situations where we connected two people and should not lynch both of them incase they are town. ##Vote Kenpachi On November 17 2011 06:47 risk.nuke wrote: If kenpachi is green, then lanaia probably isn't scum. If kenpachi is red we got a scumkill even if that doesn't necessarily mean lanaia is his buddy. If lanai is green that means nothing for kenpachis alignment. If lanai is red then kenpachi is scum. I think we learn more from knowing kenpachis alignment. Here risk.nuke votes for Kenpachi while following up with logic that makes his lynch seem like the better option of the two, lynching Kenpachi and lynching lanaia. The scenario he fails to mention is the best scenario, we don't lynch Kenpachi, day2 we will have more information on him and Kenpachi hasn't been scummy at all. He never actually says that Kenpachi is scummy, he just lynches Kenpachi because they are connected and according to his own logic, we hardly even get anything out of Kenpachi's death! On November 18 2011 09:34 risk.nuke wrote: Just read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=31777 He makes a huge case on prphlz and doesn't follow up, but goes inactive for the entire day. ##Vote: bumatlarge Here he votes for bumatlarge because he made half a case on me. He said in his post that he didn't have time to make a full case on me, then he disappears for a while, I guess because he had to tend to some other business outside mafia. Again, this is a very brittle foundation for a vote. Also, if risk.nuke thinks that I'm scum, shouldn't he think that bumatlarge should at least be more townie for making a case on me? Or does he just care about a seemingly easy target? Again, he doesn't say that he actually thinks that bumatlarge is scum, it seems like his votes are mostly because he wants to vote for people. On November 18 2011 22:28 risk.nuke wrote: These are the people I think need investigation. The people who voted for Kenpachi, Lanaia and Sinani Lemonwalrus, GreYMisT, Zephirdd, Drazerk, Nisani claims himelf not to want to lynch kenpachi anymore, but note he doesn't unvote and 3 minutes later... ...Cybercheese nailes Kenpachis coffin. That's a scummy connection worth looking in to On another note. Town (that includes me) are playing like shit and it's going to stop now. The accused defends themselves with arguments like "you're idiots, fuck you". It's your own fucking fault for getting yourself lynched. Period. The only defense I've seen is from Lanaia who explains everything in his thoughtprocess and as result he did not get lynched, not even close. And that is exacly how every fucking one of you are going to defend yourself from now on. Copy? Then we have the accusers. I know it's easy when you feel like you have a gut feeling on someone, you want them lynched and suddenly you've just copied something just so you type a reason to vote. Enough of that lazy shit, sit down and really think why you feel like you feel. That way when asked about it later you can answer truthfully. or maybe you realised you don't actually want the person dead after all. The next person who quotes someone and votes I am going to slap. Because if townies are throwing around votes without explaining an acceptable thoughtprocess mafia can do the same and nobody can tell the difference. In short. Defend yourself by explaining your truthfull thoughtprocess. Accuse someone by explaining your truthfull thoughtprocess. Now read this out loud 3 times. Bolded parts, why does he feel the need to say that he is town too? Why does he say that if you get lynched, even as townie, that is always your own fault? It looks like he is trying to absolve himself of all flak that could come from him voting for townies, which is all he's done this game so far. In the second paragraph he attacks people for being dumb and half arsed, but isn't he half arsed himself? His votes so far have been half arsed and he never pushed for anything so far. Also he attacks Cyber_Cheese that I'm getting a slight townread from. On November 21 2011 07:46 risk.nuke wrote: Chaoser has been subject to lynching for a long time, I'm starting to belive he might be town, either way I don't want to lynch him today. Imo I have better candidates for today, wbg and prphlz. I'm almost convinced RoL is town because I find it less likely a scum player would loose interest. I've been unsure on DCLXVI and Lemonwalrus but really they fall into the category as lynchable people which is mostly all you've been going after palmar and right now I'm so incredibly suspicious at you. I'm scared shitless that your role might be a godfather. These last days I've been getting very suspicious against you palmar. And It's not just what you've done I find it very interesting that you've been getting along with wbg, Most importantly none of you have questioned or brought up any of the scummy things the other have done. Imo, if one of these guys are found out to be scum we lynch them both without hesitation unless they got a fucking amazing explaination and I mean amazing and I mean the truth and I want it fast, not a couple of hours for you to cook up something in which case I will assume you've worked out a lie. My current scumteam. Prplhz xsksc Zepphird I'm convinced atleast 1 of these three is scum and potentially all three, my post. this is to odd to be ignored. However that is based on if prphlz is scum. If he flip town they go back to null-read ##Vote: wherebugsgo Palmar I'm not going to vote for him due to his getting shot claim. I think we'll find out the truth of that later. In this post he defends chaoser by saying the he's starting to believe he might be town, then why did he not want wherebusgo to interrogate him yesterday? He goes on to say that RebirthOfLegend is almost confirmed town just because HiroRuby was replaced. A replacement says absolutely nothing about your alignment, he didn't just lose interest he actually went cold turkey with mafia and dropped the game. He also attacks wherebugsgo and Palmar, neither of whom are giving up on their attacks on chaoser, thus sowing mistrust in their judgment. I was unsure yesterday but today I'm starting to think that chaoser might be scum, he has been attacked for not doing anything sensible ever since day1 and how does he defend himself? He martyrs and he attacks Palmar and wherebugsgo right back. This is no way to defend yourself. Also risk.nuke is attacking xsksc whose filter I've been through without finding anything incriminating. As for Zepphird, i dno lole~. Good lynch for today. ##Vote risk.nuke Also, even though I'm getting less of a scum vibe from him than I'm getting from risk.nuke: ##Vote chaoser I'd prefer if we only lynched one today and I'd prefer if that person was risk.nuke. | ||
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On November 21 2011 18:42 Forumite wrote: If you are still undecided about prplhz then I hope you will make up your mind soon. For or against the lynch doesn´t matter, but take a stand. If for or against doesn't matter then it seems like you're trying to lynch me for information. I'd very much prefer if you didn't do that. | ||
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@Tyrran I think mafia did not kill her 'cause they're not really that afraid of her power yet and because they thought she might be medic protected. I know that you thought that risk.nuke was confirmed town because of the way he acted during the whole Kenpachi/lanaia thing, but don't you agree that I have a point with my analysis? Which parts don't you agree with? | ||
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I didn't think it could save sinani206 but I didn't think that "don't vote sinani206 because i think he's town" would in any way work better than "DON'T VOTE SINANI". I think the "i think he's town" was implied. I could have said "i think he's town because of previous games" but I wouldn't be able to quote anything. This was a gut feel, and I think that's what my caps message also communicated. I wasn't lamenting anything anyway, I thought sinani206 went way over the line when he said "fuck you" to a new player so I taunted him (sorry). Also, if you look at the post I actually say that I understand people who voted for him, I never expected them to have the same gut read as me and I didn't consider sinani206 a big loss either except for his role which could have been good at a possibly mylo if he would be confirmed townie at that point or something. Somewhat unrelated to the game, it was totally sinani206's fault that he got lynched. Any townie who gets lynched should always blame themselves even though it might not be their own fault. It was in this case though. | ||
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Well gg and sorry town. | ||
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I asked Zona about some stuff so I might as well give you his answers here so you don't all have to PM him about it. Is Kenpachi's role informed if he saves somebody? No. Will Kenpachi's watcher ability see scum who are carrying out night hits? He couldn't answer this question. I've answered all questions since Forumite started going for me. I think it's weird that he's all "Oh you're blue why didn't you say so =(!!!" now. My role couldn't really confirm itself anyway without me revealing it's powers. I don't know what the mafia team is but I think that something along the lines of risk.nuke, chaoser/MrZentor, DCLXVI, HiroRuby/RebirthOfLegend and then one more, but I don't really have a good read on anybody this game. I already cooked up an apparently shitty case on risk.nuke, I'm not gonna bother you with more useless text walls like that, this thread is long enough as it is  | ||
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I watched Tyrran last night and Cyber_Cheese and DCLXVI visited him. | ||
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On November 22 2011 08:05 Forumite wrote: I´m not a medic, so I don´t know how they work in this game. Since you were one, briefly, and this information would likely be included in your role-PM from Kenpachi, I thought I´d ask you directly. Kenpachi's role PM is in the OP (or one of the first posts). You can PM Zona about it just as well as I can. And yes I can steal and use power the same night, obviously. On November 22 2011 08:17 Cyber_Cheese wrote: He's legit. Explain the bolded section. Why does one of us have to be mafia? Not only that, but you were willing to openly accept that information from somebody you believe to be scum, just because he's about to die? ##Vote: Forumite @Prplhz I know that you are town now, so I'll let you make the decision. We are three blues down already, and three possibly four blues are targets for the mafia tonight. (the masons, me, DCLXVI) With all this in mind, should I rolecall? With this semi-complicated setup I'm sure Zona put that in to avoid a situation where role claiming could break the game. Also maybe to avoid people talking about their PMs to breadcrumbs roles or something like that. I don't think that there's any dangers of modkill to a guy just casually claiming, it is up to you though. Also, since there are apparently a ton of blues in this game, I thought that claiming watcher wouldn't have helped me since mafia watcher actually makes sense, and Tyrran didn't claim hit so I couldn't claim that I'd protected him. I didn't want to potentially out two blues, but I think that DCLXVI is scummy and you straight up told me to claim so I did. | ||
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On November 22 2011 09:29 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I was holding this back because I wanted to see Nisani and Prplhz flip seperately, but that was under the assumption at least one other lynch would happen too (Chaoser preferably). Also Prplhz is more or less confirmed at the moment, so ##Vote: Nisani201 I'm not confirmed anything except confirmed watcher. On November 22 2011 09:12 DCLXVI wrote: @Palmar Why do you keep refuting the possibility that one mafia may bus another? Consider the situation where both of you are mafia, nisani looks close to a lynch, so he distances himself from a teammate with an analysis against him. That seems perfectly reasonable to me. Why would you rather assume that scum bussed over that scum didn't bus? Scum don't usually bus a lot, don't you think you can find non-bussing scum first? I'm sure they didn't all bus. On November 22 2011 09:11 Palmar wrote: At this point I actually don't mind just flipping them both. prplhz is already dead. I find it really, really weird that he didn't roleclaim earlier (as I suggested). No idea what to think of it. I didn't want to reveal my role and I only had 8 votes on me, thought I needed 13. I thought I'd claim blue on 10-11 and then role claim on 11-12. Then I had to go away and it took a while longer than I thought and when I came back people had decided to hammer. Sucks, but whatever. | ||
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