Team Melee Mini Mafia - Couples Therapy

On November 03 2011 09:56 supersoft wrote:
okay nothing interesting came up, yet. one thing i want to point out.
if you're town, save all your conversations with your teampartner. if you're getting lynched, these conversations may provide something that speaks in favor of you.
I know scum will do that, too now... BUT it's a lot of work to fake logs. and why should we be gentle with these guys?!

I agree with you, once chaoser starts posting we'll have a better idea.

On November 03 2011 11:52 redFF wrote:

NICE TRY SCUM WHO DOESN'T WANNA DO EXTRA WORK

On November 03 2011 19:04 prplhz wrote:
RebirthOfLegend's team mini game was an entirely different game where the setup itself made mentor/newbie teams. You lurked hardcore through that game and ended up getting lynched as DT, leading to a perfect mafia victory.

I don't get why you are trying to shut discussion down. Nobody is lynching hyshes yet, but his plan did look like it was conceived by a mafia mind. Then you bring out an explanation about why plans are usually posted in the thread, covering a lot of scenarios that clearly do not apply, and missing the scenario that did apply. hyshes didn't try to draw out mafia by intentionally posting a bad plan and I don't think that hyshes seems like he is bad at thinking up plans. hyshes made his post, knowing that the plan could not be implemented just to appear clever. Mafia will have an interest in appearing to be good or potentially good for town, without actually contributing. This is what hyshes did and this is a scenario that your sharp mind did not cover in your plan analysis for some reason.

On January 11 2011 18:06 Ace wrote:
kudos to Nemesis and chaoser for being clutch and not thinking like idiots.

Also for future reference of why I believed Subversion had to be Scum:



Why would you side with someone that isn't even defending himself?



Stop WIFOMing yourself. This was a really simple decision but you got caught up in stuff that really made no sense. Trying to find out who is the other Scum before getting on with the current lynch was a bad idea.

Then you bring out an explanation about why plans are usually posted in the thread, covering a lot of scenarios that clearly do not apply, and missing the scenario that did apply. hyshes didn't try to draw out mafia by intentionally posting a bad plan and I don't think that hyshes seems like he is bad at thinking up plans. hyshes made his post, knowing that the plan could not be implemented just to appear clever.

@chaoser I don't see the relevance of any of this stuff you posted regarding another game, but ok. I'm not convinced your team is scum just yet. I think hyshes would be way more careful and consult with chaoser before posting that were he scum. He is a new player and that is what new players who roll scum do: they ask for advice before posting.

From what I have experienced, townies get hostile and mad when defending themselves, but chaoser is an exception. As town he is generally calmer than this, and he uses reason.

I give the hyshes/chaoser team a very good chance to flip scum.

@wbg: who is the scummiest team in your eyes right now?


Hyshes and chaoser.

Sound a little angry/overly defensive there, bro.

On November 04 2011 06:00 wherebugsgo wrote:


I doubt this when you seemed to miss my vote on you.

Why are you so hasty to relieve the pressure off yourself? Almost like you're panicking.

On November 04 2011 06:55 sandroba wrote:
One thing I'm curious about is that you took it over in this game, chaoser, while hyshes is still active in the other game he is playing. You stated before that you would be taking a more layed back role in your team, but things seem to have changed. Why is that?

i am not convinced at all that chaoser is scum. i know it's wifom but i kind of liked his reaction to my plan to abuse the game mechanics. my impression is, that it was an honest reaction. idk if the scumchaoser would have attacked this plan like this... we'll see..

What are your reads Chaoser, who is scum, who is town, who should we lynch today.

On November 05 2011 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
This isn't a coaching game chaoser.

On November 02 2011 02:05 Palmar wrote:
Combination, I'll probably RNG it, but maybe break up these two types of teams.

a) 2 very strong vets together (like 2 best players in the game in a team).

This opens up a very nasty "you should be dead so you're scum" can of worms, I don't want people trying to use that kind of arguments. If you're town you get either shot by mafia or no one trusts you because you didn't get shot, or if you're scum you'll get hanged eventually just because you're not dead, especially if a doc flips.

b) 2 very new players together

Mostly because the best way to integrate people into our community is to have them interact with older members!

But take note:

I won't balance the setup, only the teams. What teams end up as what role will be completely left to RNG.

On November 05 2011 01:56 redFF wrote:

the stupidity of this post cannot be ignored.

also what kita said.

I like GMarshal's post. I'm leaving in an hour or so, maybe kitaman27 or redFF can conjure up something before that.

Sure, you can pick this lynch, I´ll pick the next one

On November 05 2011 02:02 redFF wrote:

actually im pushing it

However, claiming doesn't automatically make you town. The fact that you even imply this screams agenda to me. There's a 50% chance of there being no PC. Even if there is a PC and you aren't the real one, the real PC wouldn't counterclaim because that would out him to mafia!

On November 05 2011 02:25 kitaman27 wrote:
Scum absolutely hate to move their vote around multiple times a day. They want to find a lynch to jump on and stick with it. Is that your entire case?

Yes, IF there is a PC they could counterclaim. That'd be a 1 for 1 trade and it'd be pretty good for town. However, there are reasons why a PC wouldn't counterclaim this as well. (as I stated earlier)

All I'm saying is that we shouldn't let kita and red off the hook just because they claimed PC. Kita didn't react in a very townie manner to the way I asked about potential checks. That's suspicious to me.

On November 05 2011 02:36 wherebugsgo wrote:


Chaoser...





How has my opinion changed, exactly?

If I thought they were a better lynch than you today I would've voted them. But as I said earlier, I'm holding off until we can get more information. For now, I don't think the claim makes them less suspicious. + Show Spoiler +

On November 05 2011 02:25 kitaman27 wrote:
Scum absolutely hate to move their vote around multiple times a day. They want to find a lynch to jump on and stick with it. Is that your entire case?

Go read over prp/forumite's posts as a good starting point. What has forumite been contributing to the thread?

quote: Not agreeing with you here, I don´t think your way will work on those two. (Disagree with GM's plan to let the votes pile up on us)
and then at the end: Let´s bring Team Edward into the sunshine, and see if they Burn and/or Sparkle! (This is basically saying lets do that!)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...¤tpage=14#264

He posts a bullshit "analysis" of kurumi's team, bold their team red, never votes for them. Prphlz has since fallen off the face of the thread since accusing us of being mafia, going for easy "lurker" lynch of S and S and then later of Kurumi and RoL.

He then posts this which puts the responsibility of scumhunting on others instead of doing it himself.

quote: I like GMarshal's post. I'm leaving in an hour or so, maybe kitaman27 or redFF can conjure up something before that.

Forumite even posts this:
Sure, you can pick this lynch, I´ll pick the next one

which shows that only does he NOT care about his previous case against us but that he's ok with lynching whomever.

They went after exclusively lurker teams or "easy targets" as I like to call them.

On November 05 2011 03:09 kitaman27 wrote:
TEAM SWITZERLAND, TEAM EDWARD, TEAM LIQUID, TEAM SS does anyone strongly oppose lynching one of these four teams?

On November 05 2011 04:45 Crofty wrote:
Dammit.

In the hour and a half it took me to get back from work, the thread went from deadly quiet to red bull in a kindergarten.

So, redFF and kitaman have claimed Parity Cop (not sure how you shade blue on these forums), which I am inclined to believe, for now, as if they are lying we will find out sure enough. Not what I would think would be the smartest move though...

We do need a lynch. Not lynching gives us no data, and just allows the mafia to get ahead.

Putting suggestions forth is good, though I am cautious of creating an easy bandwagon which the mafia can jump on.

I, myself am inclined to go for either Team Edward, as I feel they haven't really done much which sets them into the "likely town" bracket for me; or Team Viking for similar reasons (though, worrying they have a couple of votes already).

These are just my musings for now, that hopefully can be put to a decisive lynch, but I haven't really confered with my teambro, as I think he is at work now. Regardless, I will ensure we do vote.

Also please excuse my lack of, lets say, "quote posting" so far, to back up my thoughts. Still struggling to remember which dude is in which team, consistently. Been many a moment in the last 24hours, when I have been trudging though the massive torrent of posts, and been like "OMG, name35 said this, and sillynamebob said this! they must be a mafia team!" and been like halfway though a long accusatory post, before I realized they aren't actually in the same team . Its the weekend now, so I will get up to speed.

So, Viking or Edward?

Dammnit

<Lots of empty words and shitloads of noncommittal statements plus a sprinkle of uselessness>

Who should I vote for?

Putting suggestions forth is good, though I am cautious of creating an easy bandwagon which the mafia can jump on.

On November 05 2011 05:55 kitaman27 wrote:
You guys are all aware that only 1 hour remains in the day correct?

On November 05 2011 06:44 iGrok wrote:
I'm pretty sure team SS has 3 votes also?

On November 05 2011 06:57 kitaman27 wrote:
What a mess. Nobody seems to care who gets lynched. A vote count would really help right now.

##Vote Team SS

On November 05 2011 07:01 kitaman27 wrote:
So does 75% of the players disappearing before the lynch.

On Nov 3 2011 19:01 hyshes wrote:
Show nested quote +


I don't see how referring to another game says something?

On November 05 2011 14:21 wherebugsgo wrote:


This still doesn't make sense, because iGrok's post wasn't concerned with sandro's meta. It was just posting sandro's filter, IIRC. He never linked another game in the first place.

On November 05 2011 14:21 wherebugsgo wrote:


This still doesn't make sense, because iGrok's post wasn't concerned with sandro's meta. It was just posting sandro's filter, IIRC. He never linked another game in the first place.

On November 05 2011 16:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
False.

Just on numbers alone, hyshes is not playing like he did in the newbie game. hyshes has committed several times more effort to the newbie game than to this one.

I'm not retarded, and this aint stupid play either. It's the only play i got left to have a possible chance on a town win. I'm just kinda hoping it will open your eyes. I'm just offering good working material here. for that purpose, i'm willing to do a sacrifice here.
Just a sample of what he wrote right after being voted on (each separated part is a different post)

No emo here, just not up for your shitty logic.

I'm going to get lynched today, that's settled. Please lynch toad when i flip green the next day.

Yes i'm from EU but its only 20:47 atm.
I have just no freaking clue what to say. Seems that i can't follow your logic, and you guys can't follow my logic. I guess this is the ending point.

Nahh, this shitty logic was easy to explain in a few lines. The rest of your shitty logic would take me too long. And i'm not even good at explaining things.

"Nice idea.. select a lurker to get a free kill as mafia. And again, the refer to another game where he was town."
"Ofc he's also a fine target for you. You don't care wich townie dies."
"Trying to get an easy hit on a townie without proper argument."

"Nice idea.. select a lurker to get a free kill as mafia. And again, the refer to another game where he was town."
"Ofc he's also a fine target for you. You don't care wich townie dies."
"Trying to get an easy hit on a townie without proper argument."

On November 06 2011 05:04 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm not going to bother arguing about this anymore, you're clearly not willing to listen to reason, or read properly.

The number of times people keep mentioning that hyshes "just posted a bad plan" is starting to piss me off. It was never about the plan and never will be.

On November 06 2011 13:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
also every time anyone points out something that is scummy, you counter with something completely irrelevant and go "would scum do this? would scum do that?" You did this with the lynch issue; it's complete WIFOM whether scum would want a lynch or a no-lynch, because it was effectively equivalent yesterday.

On November 06 2011 13:15 wherebugsgo wrote:


oh look more WIFOM!

mafia might also not choose to shoot us because it would give derp town a really easy reason to push a mislynch on us!

jesus you actually think this reasoning flies?

cause obviously there's tons of pressure on you from town to lynch you right?

mafia might also not choose to shoot us because it would give derp town a really easy reason to push a mislynch on us!

On November 06 2011 13:32 wherebugsgo wrote:


No pressure from town=you're not a townie then?



What are you going on about? There's four votes to lynch today. We don't need pressure from town on us, we just need stupid townies to bandwagon. Scum can comprise half of the deciding votes on lynch.

This is precisely why I'm saying that it'll just take one dumb townie to get us into a bad situation. You just used one of the dumbest reasons I've ever seen for voting someone (Radfield didn't die, Chezinu has to be scum!) and I feel that I need to shut that down before someone really stupid like Kurumi or red comes along and adds one or two votes to that.

Two scum and two bandwagoning townies=easy mislynch and the day will end with no good information gained.

On November 06 2011 13:16 chaoser wrote:


??? Everyone agreed that it WASN'T equivalent?

irrelevant and go "would scum do this? would scum do that?"

How is that irrelevant? I'm trying to prevent what I see as a bad lynch while giving reasons for WHY I think it was a bad lynch.

You seem to want to fight about saying something I didn't say, so commence getting over that. Team Edward won't be our lynch tomorrow, but I will read chaoser's posts again. The only thing radfield and you seem to be harping on about is lack of content, which is usually not a strong case.

Forumite and prphlz was a poor lynch choice, I think there were better options available. The second player I was suspicious of behind red was WBG, mainly from this post.

I felt like that was a backwards conclusion to make. I know bugs is a universally aggressive player, so seeing him draw out this line, from what I can tell, a newer player, seems like play focused in the wrong direction.

And then this drops of the map. Incredibly odd. I concluded that radfield convinced him it was a bad idea to pursue this, but radfield's posts have not impressed me. I'm mostly suggesting that people take the "Interactions" philosophy to heart when they analyze. There is no direction to point blues in with the known info, so please don't try.

You fucking edited this post? Are you fucking kidding me?

Oops, I pressed edit on the previous post when I meant to press Quote. My bad

On November 06 2011 13:59 chaoser wrote:
And finally, you're saying

1) I'm mafia

2) I shot Bum/iGrok, one of the few people who didn't think I was mafia cause, fuck it, I like a challenge. And one of the few people that were suspicious of you and radfield.





3) And didn't shoot you so that I, the one that was the second most voted player would be able to get enough townies to "Derp along with me" to lynch you

I'm not speculating on the iGrok kill because no one knows why iGrok would be shot. You might, though! You certainly seem to want to talk about the night kills, which makes you even more suspicious.

Again, more WIFOM and shitty logic. How can you conclude this from the night kills when you could easily conclude the opposite?

Again, more WIFOM and shitty logic. How can you conclude this from the night kills when you could easily conclude the opposite?

On November 06 2011 14:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
also if you would shoot someone who was against you as scum then why didn't your team shoot me in PYP on night 1? I was the most vocal advocate for your lynch prior to your death.

Please quote where I said it makes sense for you to have shot iGrok/bum.

On November 06 2011 14:24 wherebugsgo wrote:


You straight up admitted that you believed it was a trap, and you even told me when I messaged you that you thought I was town because I messed up and messaged you after Foolish did.

You're lying scum.

You're saying that you would shoot someone who was a threat to you if you were scum. I'm saying that isn't true, since your team certainly didn't shoot me or anyone else who was a threat to you last game. Nice contradiction.

On November 07 2011 14:25 sandroba wrote:
wbg if somehow you are town this game you are a retard. A suiting nickname following your own line of thought would be wheredidmybrainsgo. You are sprouting nonsense and most of the stuff you said about me regarding both previous games and the current one are flat out lies, but it really seems that you actually believe them. My meta is actually quite easy to determine, when I'm scum I try to look town and when I'm town I don't care about how suspicious I am when I'm stiring things up.
I'm hoping radfield could post more tomorrow and tell me what he thinks so I can actually get a more acurate read without having to sort through all your nonsense.

I know I said sandroba was town day one, but then I went back and read the thread again. What most makes me suspicious of sandroba is his pissed off attitude, townroba doesn't get that pissed off, his rant against wbg in particular, which boils down to a paragraph of him calling bug stupid is what made me reconsider the whole deal. What makes me suspicious of the chaoser case is how it seems to keep getting shunted aside, when I think there are valid points there.

You built a huge case on chaoser, most of which I think is no indication at all of scum behaviour. The main thing that is bothering me about chaoser's team is the fact that he was posting so much when his ass was on the line, despite saying he would not be playing so activily, coupled with the fact that hyshes is gone after causing suspicion to be placed on his team.

wbg if somehow you are town this game you are a retard. A suiting nickname following your own line of thought would be wheredidmybrainsgo. You are sprouting nonsense and most of the stuff you said about me regarding both previous games and the current one are flat out lies, but it really seems that you actually believe them. My meta is actually quite easy to determine, when I'm scum I try to look town and when I'm town I don't care about how suspicious I am when I'm stiring things up.
I'm hoping radfield could post more tomorrow and tell me what he thinks so I can actually get a more acurate read without having to sort through all your nonsense.

On November 08 2011 04:00 kitaman27 wrote:


Oh geeze, massive WIFOM now.

wait what...

recounting the votes.

Team SS has been lynched, night post coming up. Due to the early hammer the night will last 3 extra hours to keep us on track.

wait what...

recounting the votes.

Edit: I miscounted the votes, it's three for SS at the moment.

On November 08 2011 03:52 deconduo wrote:
Ah crap, gg gl town.

On November 08 2011 03:58 deconduo wrote:


EBWOP: Or not yet.

Me and Sandroba are different people if you haven't figured that out yet...

Of course you being so blind haven't realised that scumteams will just agree with each other and be perfectly coordinated. Only townies will actually act like seperate entities because thats what we actually are.

I think Edward is a possibility either way SS flips, but they obviously look better if SS flips scum since it's unlikely they'd bus. If SS flips town then Edward looks really bad because chaoser basically just followed my vote.

What's weird about team Edward is that they are constantly absent whenever there's no pressure on them. They've also escaped lynch TWICE basically (let's all agree, they're not getting lynched today)

On November 08 2011 06:03 wherebugsgo wrote:


Telling you to read better isn't an insult unless you're actually illiterate.

At any rate, I'm done for now. Hopefully someone will see the sense and will hammer team SS. I'll be back in about an hour, then I have class from 2 to 3 local time (that's the hour before lynch)

On November 08 2011 06:57 sandroba wrote:
you guys so smart, you really nailed me, I was mafia all along muahahaha.

On November 08 2011 06:57 deconduo wrote:
You'd think with 2 people each at least one would have some brains, but apparently not. One of the most frustrating games I have played, I would have made more progress banging my head off a wall repeatedly.

On November 08 2011 07:24 GreYMisT wrote:
Chaoser what do you think of team nipple now that SS has flipped town?

On November 08 2011 07:24 GreYMisT wrote:
Chaoser what do you think of team nipple now that SS has flipped town?

Team Edward is almost sure scum. They led the mislynch on team Viking day 1, then sheeped my vote on team SS and conveniently went with the majority on day 2. They've been on the lynch wagon on both days.

On November 08 2011 08:21 wherebugsgo wrote:


If the town has any sense left it'll be you. And then we'll win because we'll have two chances left to lynch scum and I'm sure the last scum is between Liquid/Nipple. Lynch through, gg.

Even better would be if kita and red survive and we get a proper check on your scumbuddies.

On November 09 2011 00:28 supersoft wrote:
@all

this may be our last day. there is a high chance that scum goes all in to achieve the mislynch.
we have to be careful with our vote.

On November 09 2011 00:54 kitaman27 wrote:


I'm just spouting nonsense, what's your excuse?

On November 09 2011 01:03 kitaman27 wrote:
So you're still thinking rad/bugs and super/greymist?

On November 09 2011 01:03 kitaman27 wrote:
So you're still thinking rad/bugs and super/greymist?

On November 09 2011 01:13 GMarshal wrote:
Hurrah for a ridiculously high fever! I can hardly even string coherent sentences together.

I suppose its too much to ask that crofty carry the team for the next 24 hours? Probably, oh well

Claiming medic now, protecting kita tonight. Kita, if your check from n1 isn't dead, check me, otherwise check someone you think is likely to be scum. This is probably a terrible decision I will regret in the morning, but hell I'm literally hallucinating with fever! I slipped it a little earlier here when attacking kurumi's plan. Specifically:



Now I'm going to collapse back into a feverish delirium, but if kitas check goes through, worst case we have 2 confirmed town, which means that even by rng there is a 66% chance of hitting scum.

GL HF GG, I'll try to post my thoughts in more detail before I get shot.

=] Sure. I'mma go play some uncharted 3 and then catch up on cougar town. That's another way to win an internet argument =]

Using shitty logic isn't going to protect you from getting lynched, if anything it's going to GET you lynched

Less drunk
Have a hang over like a 16 year old
Less Russians around =[

But I can still see this is the some pretty scummy posting

##vote: Team SS

What about you? Any gorgeous clues? What are your mafia reads?

On November 09 2011 01:22 kitaman27 wrote:
psst chaoser you're not supposed to counter claim until tomorrow

On November 09 2011 01:24 GMarshal wrote:

Sure thing scum. Its easy, whichever of us is alive in the morning is mafia.

My question to you is why would you counter claim now, at night, rather than wait to see if I'm alive in the morning?

Ooops ^_^

On November 09 2011 01:30 GMarshal wrote:

Fever, I didn't even confirm it with my role PM. Now why would you ever counterclaim NOW if town? Clearly you are scum.

Also why would I claim medic as scum, NOW? so that people lynch me when I'm not dead in the morning? Especially with bugs giving me such a nice way out with his post about how the medic shouldn't claim?

My claim makes sense, your counter claim makes none.

On November 09 2011 01:33 GreYMisT wrote:
Alright, I have some time before lab. So here is how its going to go down tonight:

Red21, check me and super, any and all medics protect them.

What does this do?
Kita/red will now have 3 checks, potentially allowing them to confirm our aliengment. One of GM or Chaoser will probaly be dead, giving us one scum right off the bat. This will secure our next day lynch. The next night Kita will probally die as there is no more medic protection. This gives us one extra day to catch the final scum team.

I repeat, why the hell would I claim medic as scum? When there is a pretty decent chance that there is a second blue to counter claim?

On November 09 2011 01:43 chaoser wrote:
What happened to that fever and being hardly able to even string coherent sentences together? Thought you were going to collapse?

I'm 100% doctor and GM is 100% lying. There's NO reason for mafia to COUNTER CLAIM AT NIGHT. If I was mafia, I'd not shoot you and COUNTER CLAIM IN THE MORNING.



You asked me why you would claim "medic" as scum at night and yet you can't even answer why I would counterclaim at night if I was scum. The answer? There's no advantage at this point for mafia to counterclaim at night. At all. Come on, list some reasons for why mafia would want to counter claim at night compared to counterclaiming in the morning. I don't even care if it's WIFOM. Just give me some.

On November 09 2011 02:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
Lol wtf just happened?

I guess we have a guaranteed lynch tomorrow? 95% chance chaoser is scum still IMO. That counterclaim makes no sense unless he's specifically trying to paint GM as scum.

Nipple is probably scum #2.

On November 09 2011 02:32 chaoser wrote:


LOL. WBG/Rad + GM/Crofty as scum. Calling it.

So you're saying I'm mafia when not only do I have way more planned out breadcrumbs but also GM misclaimed his role as medic instead of doctor? That's a surefire lynch in any other game WBG. You of all people should have picked up on that.

Fever, I didn't even confirm it with my role PM.

On November 09 2011 03:01 kitaman27 wrote:
No you won't chaoser. If nobody dies, its a nolynch and we snag another check.
If we pull off a check, then we go from there based on the information at hand.
Nobody should vote until the town comes to an agreement.

On November 09 2011 03:16 kitaman27 wrote:


Will you do a favor for your best buddy kita and not vote until after we have?

On November 09 2011 04:07 redFF wrote:
chaoser dont vote as soon as day starts please. remember it will take 3 votes to lynch and there will be 2 scum. so one wrong vote and scum win. this is for everyone not just chaoser.

On November 09 2011 12:00 Ace wrote:
rofl you guys are hilarious

On November 10 2011 06:58 Curu wrote:


Never say never!

Town had no chance of winning LOTR but a Mafia screwup coupled with some clutch play by chaoser saved an impossible situation!

Very rarely do scum roleclaims actually gain scum anything. Sometimes you see them do something but more often than not mafia only really gain from counterclaiming.

On November 10 2011 07:18 wherebugsgo wrote:


You claimed in XLIV and it really didn't gain you anything. Six (!!) modkills is what won you guys that game.

On November 10 2011 09:10 redFF wrote:

so if you were us you would've lynched gm?

although I have to say, I was scared shitless whenever I got into an argument with sandro or chaoser. They had me pegged and all I could do was argue over and over to try and get them lynched. I'm still surprised I was able to get sandro lynched

I disagree. Suppose GM is scum and claims medic. There are two possibilities:
1) There is a real medic, who is not shot night two. We get back our parity result between bugs and super and still lynch bugs. As the real medic is still alive, that allows us to pull of a second parity check, ending the game.
2) There is a real medic, who is shot night two. We get back our parity result between bugs and super and still lynch bugs. The game comes down to a 2v1 and you go from there.

On November 10 2011 11:42 wherebugsgo wrote:


Idra sucks and F91 sounds like it should be the name of this mafia setup when it gets rebalanced

A claim is only good if it improves your chances of winning. Otherwise it's bad or irrelevant at best. It's that simple.

On November 10 2011 12:37 sandroba wrote:

The same way if kita was mafia and pulled a pc claim we would all have been fucked. Does that make it likely he did it as mafia on that spot? No. Everyone believe him because that was an extreme and unecessary risk for mafia to take at that spot. Just like GM's.

On November 10 2011 12:54 Ace wrote:


No shit you lynch the Fake Claim. Look let's keep it simple smart guy:

Damnnnn son, he just called all of us out. If only there was some way for us to play a game together and then decide this issue once and for all. Damnnnnn.

Who is more inclined to lie in a game of Mafia?

What happens more often? A Townie lying for the sake of the Town or Scum lying?

Thanks. This is why I'm better than all of you.

On November 10 2011 13:02 GMarshal wrote:
Oh god, how did this go from a discussion about fakeclaiming being bad, to a discussion of how long Ace's epeen is?

To save us the agony of Ace listing all his manifold achievements, its pretty fucking long, we can now all move on and go play in Zona's steamship game.

On November 10 2011 13:04 Ace wrote:
There are only at best 8 or 9 people that have ever outplayed me or tricked me (extremely rare) in a game on this forum.

But me outplaying you won't mean I'll win. I've lost games that are out of my hands due to Mafia being game where other people on my Team have an effect on the game. In some cases it's subjective as to who is "better" at a game of Mafia but me compared to you guys isn't even fair. I'm not even sure you guys are better than me when I first started playing. Basic concepts seem to zing past your heads.



Zona asked me for advice on that game too. Guess you won't be playing in it after all lulz.

On November 10 2011 13:31 redFF wrote:
so we won because we are terrible? yay?

On November 10 2011 13:43 kitaman27 wrote:



That might be more an insult to Ace than it is to red.

On November 10 2011 14:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

I'd say its more akin to hardcore metagaming and STOVING a T, only to realize hes a retarded D- and opened marine med/turret.